[01:05] <xelister> Hello
[01:05] <xelister> I have a dream
[01:05] <xelister> that Ubuntu project would release Ubuntu version that is able to boot itself [always]
[01:05] <xelister> without being unbootable per bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/477430
[01:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 477430 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub 2 error: out of disk. failed to boot default entries. press any key to continue... (affects: 12) (dups: 1) (heat: 50)" [High,New]
[01:19] <xelister> does this deam may come true one day?
[01:21] <micahg> xelister: I think it does in most cases, I don't there exists perfect software anywhere
[01:21] <xelister> yea but BOOTING SELF UP
[01:21] <xelister> seems like number one on todo list imo
[01:21] <xelister> micahg: got this on 2 boxes now
[01:21] <micahg> xelister: there are 980 bugs against grub2
[01:22] <xelister> all resulting in system being unbootable?
[01:22] <xelister> its a trivial change, just remobe record_fail thing
[01:23] <micahg> xelister: you might want to ask in #ubuntu-installer in the morning
[09:19] <jtaylor> hi, can someone nominate 782414 for natty?
[09:19] <vish> bug 782414
[09:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 782414 in foolscap (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "tahoe-lafs can't start because foolscap packaging metadata doesn't declare the fact that it supports secure_connections (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 26)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/782414
[09:22] <vish> jtaylor: is the change simple enough that it can be SRU'd ?
[09:22] <vish> ie, not a huge diff/major change , etc..
[09:23] <jtaylor> it only adds some python egg info
[09:23] <jtaylor> the other stuff can be droped for the SRU
[09:23] <jtaylor> wrapandsort + standard bump
[09:24] <vish> jtaylor: yea, so we need a debdiff there if you want to get it SRU'd
[09:24] <vish> in the lp bug.
[09:24] <vish> !sru
[09:24] <ubot4> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[09:25] <jtaylor> can you mark it as not fixed in natty? I'll create the debdiff soon
[09:25] <vish> i can nominate for Natty, but cant approve, that the SRU team or Core devs will be able to do
[09:26] <vish> not all in the SRU team have the rights yet, but basically Core devs have the rights for that
[09:31] <vish> jtaylor: i've nominated it for natty, but the sru procedure needs to be followed, only after that the upload will be considered..
[09:31] <vish> (just so you know that nomination does not automatically put bugs in SRU radar..)
[09:31] <jtaylor> yes I'm aware of that, thanks
[09:31] <vish> np..
[13:19] <jtaylor> vish: updated bug 782414, is that ok for a SRU?
[13:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 782414 in foolscap (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "tahoe-lafs can't start because foolscap packaging metadata doesn't declare the fact that it supports secure_connections (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 26)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/782414
[14:37] <roadmr> jibel: morning! The original jason posted back on bug 772820 and it looks like he has a non-ubuntu debconf installed. should this bug then be invalid, and the duplicate delinked? (as in that one, it does have the ubuntu packages - it's the *other* jason)
[14:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 772820 in checkbox (Ubuntu) "package checkbox 0.11.3 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772820
[14:41] <jibel> Hey roadmr
[14:41] <jibel> roadmr, both users broke their system
[14:42] <jibel> roadmr, jason on 772820 installed debconf 1.5.36.1 from debian squeeze
[14:43] <jibel> roadmr, jason on 753243 installed debconf 1.5.38 from I don't know where, but surely not an Ubuntu package
[14:43] <jibel> roadmr, both are invalid
[14:44] <roadmr> jibel: oh, I see the package list now, yes
[14:45] <jibel> they are running some kind of frankensystems, that's frightening
[14:46] <roadmr> jibel: Jason Coplen from 753243 posted on 772820 with apt-cache policy debconf and it seems to be the version from Natty, so I guess he did a fresh install after reporting the bug
[14:47] <jibel> roadmr, yes, I think he fixed it in a way or another. the original report is not relevant anymore.
[14:48] <roadmr> jibel: would it make sense to dedupe them so I can comment on each separately? and I'd be setting both to invalid after telling the users what you determined
[14:48] <roadmr> jibel: or I can set 772820 to invalid and add a comment that applies to both users, maybe less bug traffic that way
[14:49] <jibel> roadmr, to make things properly, it's better to deduplicate and address both issue separately even if they broke their systems in a similar way.
[14:50] <roadmr> jibel: OK, I'll do that. Sorry to bug so much about this bug :)
[14:50] <jibel> roadmr, you're welcome. Thanks for helping with bugs :-)
[14:53] <jibel> roadmr, just a tip to quickly check the version of a package you can use rmadison
[14:53] <jibel> for example 'rmadison debconf' will return the availaible version of debconf in Ubuntu.
[14:53] <jibel> and 'rmadison -u debian debconf' the versions in debian
[14:54] <Pici> ♥ rmadison
[14:54] <roadmr> Awesome! thanks jibel! *playing with rmadison*
[16:31] <jklandis> I filed a bunch of detailed memory-leak bugs related to 780602 yesterday. Can someone help get patches through to the right people?
[16:31] <jklandis> Cyphermox emailed me about them, but I guess he isn't around right now.
[16:34] <jklandis> I have a limited amount of time to work on this.
[17:38] <hggdh> bug 780602
[17:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 780602 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "nm-applet leaks memory and stops functioning after a while (affects: 4) (heat: 24)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/780602
[18:10] <bcurtiswx> I just thought of something. I think it would be beneficial to add something to the "this bug effects me too" that asks said individual steps they took to cause the bug.  Opinions?
[18:11] <bcurtiswx> This is especially beneficial for bugs that are hard to reproduce, I can see the potential for similarities in their responses to help find the root cause
[18:13] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: ^^
[18:16] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: that sounds interesting, I'm somewhat involved at the moment though
[18:18] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: Np thx :)
[18:25] <micahg> ugh, were we supposed to have a meeting?
[18:26] <bcurtiswx> What does the wiki say?
[18:27] <micahg> Next BugSquad Team Meeting, Thursday, May 19th, 2011, 17:00 UTC, #ubuntu-meeting
[18:33] <bcurtiswx> Whoops
[18:33] <bdmurray> whoops indeed!
[18:34] <bdmurray> was there anything new on the agenda?
[18:34]  * micahg has no idea,
[18:35] <bcurtiswx> Haha I just added something without realizing it
[18:35] <bcurtiswx> Look ^^^
[18:36] <charlie-tca> bcurtiswx: part of triage is making sure we do have steps to reproduce the bug. If there no steps for that, we should be asking the reporter to give them
[18:36] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: this would happen when people click affects me too
[18:37] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: like a pop-up saying hey what do you do to get this bug?
[18:37] <charlie-tca> wouldn't that make things more confusing, with 200 people giving how to reproduce the bug?
[18:37] <bcurtiswx> Only rarely would you get that ,any people who knew how they reproduced
[18:37] <charlie-tca> The idea of the "affects me too" is to cut down on comments saying I got this too
[18:38] <bcurtiswx> I also have another topic to bring up
[18:38] <bcurtiswx> Lemme get onto a better keyboard
[18:39] <bcurtiswx_> charlie-tca: OK, so i don't think it would be too much to have multiple ways to reproduce the issue
[18:39] <bcurtiswx_> expecially for hard-to-reproduce bugs, we could look through those to find a similarity
[18:40] <charlie-tca> Then we should not have the quick button, since we
[18:40] <charlie-tca> want them to tell us more than just that they are affected?
[18:40] <charlie-tca> I can agree on the "hard to do" bugs, though
[18:41] <charlie-tca> I think it would be noisy for those easy to reproduce ones
[18:41] <bcurtiswx_> maybe having those not send e-mails out would be less noisy
[18:42] <bcurtiswx_> or some type of thing for bug triagers to toggle that option on and off ?
[18:43] <charlie-tca> I like that toggle idea. It would really be useful on some the bugs
[18:43] <charlie-tca> The ones that are really easy to reproduce would not need it, those that are hard to reproduce would benefit greatly
[18:44] <bcurtiswx_> so any other ideas on how to best handle something along these lines?
[18:47] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: well it'd be a change in Launchpad so a launchpad bug and/or finding a community launchpad developer to help you out
[18:47] <charlie-tca> I think you have a good idea going there.
[18:49] <bcurtiswx_> Ok second idea
[18:50] <bcurtiswx_> which is anotehr LP one.. go figure.. lol
[18:50] <bcurtiswx_> i'm talking in #telepathy with one of the devs, and he was having a tough time going from bug report to the code we have in ubuntu to compare line nuber of backtraces and the such
[18:51] <bcurtiswx_> would it be too much of a hastle to have lp branches linked in their bugs for easy access
[18:51] <bcurtiswx_> apport bugs would be best, as they can tell which repo a package was dl's from
[18:52] <bcurtiswx_> non-apport would default to a branch (like code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy
[18:52] <bcurtiswx_> )
[18:52] <bdmurray> well related branches are supposed to be for fixes not this
[18:53] <bdmurray> however one interesting thing to look at might be having the retracer and in a link to the branch / line number
[18:53] <bdmurray> s/and/add/
[18:55] <bcurtiswx_> bdmurray: yes, that link would be great
[18:57] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx_: so like in bug 752449 in comment 2 is where I'm imagining it
[18:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 752449 in empathy (Ubuntu) "empathy crashed with SIGSEGV in empathy_event_activate() (affects: 1) (heat: 83)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752449
[18:59] <bdmurray> I'm not sure how to establish the relationship between empathy-event-manager.c:1578 and where it is located in the source code though
[19:00] <bdmurray> well it looks kind of easy for empathy since its right in src/
[19:01] <bdmurray> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/empathy/natty/view/head:/src/empathy-event-manager.c
[19:01] <bdmurray> I'm not sure that's true for every package though
[19:39] <bcurtiswx_> bdmurray: yes, thats right.  That would be perfect.  Sorry, I got caught in a meeting i completely forgot about
[19:40] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx_: can you report a bug about apport about it and subscribe me?
[19:42] <bcurtiswx_> both topics discussed ?
[19:42] <bcurtiswx_> or just this most recent one?
[19:48] <bcurtiswx_> bdmurray: ^^ + does LP have the ability to search src repos for certain files.  I imagine that ability will make finding files easy
[19:48] <micahg> bcurtiswx: you can do that on packages.ubuntu.com
[19:48] <bdmurray> the apport retracer linking to source code topic
[19:48] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx_: I don't know know about the search
[19:48] <micahg> ignore me, I seem to be out of the loop
[20:06] <bcurtiswx_> bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/785364
[20:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 785364 in launchpad "bugs should include links from stacktraces to source code (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[20:08] <roadmr> Hey folks, can bug 784416 be set to triaged? there's output from ubiquity --debug and I can't make much sense of it but someone from ubiquity might. I'm not sure about importance though - looks pretty critical to this guy who can't use his computer :)
[20:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 784416 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 11.04 installer crash (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/784416
[20:10] <persia> I'd recommend against changing anything for ubiquity bugs *unless* you're familiar: the installer developers tend to watch the bugs very closely,and get annoyed when we set things incorrectly.
[20:12] <roadmr> persia: thanks, should I at least move it to New status, now that the reporter posted the debug log?
[20:12] <bdmurray> roadmr: I'm looking at it
[20:13] <roadmr> bdmurray: thanks :)
[20:15] <persia> roadmr, For bugs against ubiquity and debian-installer, I generally don't make any changes unless I completely understand the state or one of the developers told me to make the change.  I may be too conservative, but there are *lots* of packages where the developers are paying less attention, and I think I can make more of a difference.
[20:17] <roadmr> persia: I see your point
[20:18] <bdmurray> persia: have you seen how many new bugs about ubiquity there are now?
[20:20] <persia> bdmurray, No.  As with many things, I may be behind the times.
[20:27] <charlie-tca> We do have quite a few now, since we got people to file new bugs instead of adding to old ones
[20:29] <charlie-tca> I really wish that reporter had used apport. We don't even know the date of the image now
[20:29] <punchedpeace> helo....
[20:30] <charlie-tca> bdmurray: it is going to be difficult without the rest of the information on that report.
[20:30] <punchedpeace> I have an issue with my laptop, backligth is not working and all issues I see look old .....  2008 2009  where should I log this issue?
[20:30] <charlie-tca> punchedpeace: ubuntu-bug linux
[20:33] <JFo> punchedpeace, what model is your laptop?
[20:38] <punchedpeace> I have a toshiba satellite a500
[20:38] <JFo> punchedpeace, did you file the bug as charlie-tca instructed?
[20:38] <JFo> ah
[20:38] <JFo> hmm, we have a lot of difficulty with Toshiba generally
[20:39] <JFo> once the bug is filed I will see if there is some work on that model that would be of use
[20:39] <punchedpeace> well I'm developper and can provide any necesari information...
[20:39] <JFo> I do know of a PPA that we have that may solve you, but I need to do some digging first
[20:46] <roadmr> Me again, bug 784484, it has logs from apport-collect and a picture of the screen with a kernel panic, is that enough for someone to look at it or should I ask for anything else from the reporter?
[20:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 784484 in linux (Ubuntu) "dramatic kernel panic on Ubuntu 11.04 and derivatives- when rebooted. (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/784484
[20:47] <punchedpeace> ppa = ?
[20:51] <JFo> roadmr, that should do for now
[20:51] <JFo> punchedpeace, Personal Package Archive
[20:51] <roadmr> JFo: thanks, should I set it to New again, or just leave it as-is?
[20:56] <charlie-tca> roadmr: should be ready for marking triage and set the importance
[20:56] <charlie-tca> It has all the logs, plus the picture, and has been tested with the mainline kernel.
[20:57] <charlie-tca> roadmr: What importance would you set it to? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[21:01] <JFo> what charlie-tca said :-P
[21:02] <roadmr> charlie-tca: I'd say Medium, it's easily workaroundable but it is a problem with the Linux kernel and looks like a regression too, so I'd hesitate to say it's Low
[21:03] <roadmr> it's not critical but it sure looks annoying
[21:03]  * JFo gives roadmr a gold star
[21:03] <JFo> that is perfect
[21:03] <charlie-tca> I agree. It is regression-release, and probably should be medium
[21:04] <roadmr> thanks guys! I can set to triaged and tag regression-release, but if you could help me setting the importance I'd be thankful
[21:05] <paultag> I've gotcha back
[21:05] <paultag> what bug?
[21:05] <paultag> nvmd, just read backscroll
[21:05] <paultag> ah, nvmd, charlie-tca got it
[21:06] <roadmr> Thanks charlie-tca :)
[21:06] <charlie-tca> roadmr: marked as triaged
[21:06] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:07] <charlie-tca> roadmr: thank you very much for helping with bugs. Persistence does work!
[21:08] <roadmr> charlie-tca: you're welcome, I'm glad to pitch in. Thank you for your help too!
[21:09] <charlie-tca> no problem
[21:09] <charlie-tca> I am happy to help when someone needs it. It is great to have you sticking around, though.
[22:00] <JoshuaL> can someone mark bug #785402 as a wishlist item?
[22:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 785402 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Offer a "reinstall GRUB" option on the installation ISOs (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/785402