=== chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [00:32] does the gnome3 spec have an anticipated breakage timeline. [00:33] that is, is there any notes about the current breakage and future ones? [00:47] w00t, i'm down from number 10 to number 12 now: http://is.gd/C8FvA1 \o/ [00:48] hopefully that trend will continue === bryceh_ is now known as bryceh === bryceh is now known as bryce [05:27] Good morning [05:27] Goooood morning pitti! [05:27] chrisccoulson: firefox SRU> I think regression testing and extensively testing the scrollbar will do [05:28] pitti, good morning [05:28] RAOF: ¡ooʇ 'noʎ oʇ ƃuıuɹoɯ pooƃ ʎןǝʌoן ɐ [05:28] (.au compatible) [05:28] hey kenvandine [05:28] * RAOF needs to work out where that script is :) [07:13] RAOF, is there any case where the X server returning non-zero could be considered not a failure? [07:13] I don't *think* so. Would you like me to grep the code? [07:16] RAOF, nah, I was just wondering if there was a weird X-ism I should know of [07:16] I don't *think* so. [07:18] I'm totally going to hold you to that [07:19] hey robert_ancell, how are you? feeling better? [07:20] pitti, yeah, seem to be fully recovered [07:20] nice [07:20] I got some antibiotics which fixed everything up nicely [07:20] ah, heh, the big club [07:20] no one else sick? Timing would put it pretty close to the team dinner [07:21] robert_ancell: jasoncwarner was as well, and I think TheMuso mentioned it as well [07:22] ech [07:23] * RAOF was mostly fine. Or, at least, not statistically distingushable from “I hate flying” [07:27] hm, Australia is a pretty bad place to be at for flying haters :-( [07:27] but then again, who doesn't hate flying [07:30] Someone who doesn't take 30+ hour flights five times a year :) [07:36] robert_ancell: ! feeling better? or better enough to drop into IRC ;) yeah...some of us in AU seemed to get sick...but none as bad as you! [07:37] jasoncwarner, I think I just had bad timing. If I'd left a day earlier or a few days later it wouldn't have been much of a problem [07:38] robert_ancell: wondering if you should do a week of fasting in dublin just in case ;) [07:38] I'm taking my own stash of food, I don't trust these hotels! [07:39] plus a pure diet of guinness can't get you sick right? [07:39] I've never heard of anyone getting sick from such a thing...never! [07:54] I didn't quite like Guiness, but I still remember having great beer in all these pubs on Grafton street [07:55] I for one, even though I don't drink that much, will be making it to the guiness factory...have to experience it once! [07:56] I hope to have a little bit more time to wander, take photographs, and play Race for the Galaxy than UDS :) [08:00] good morning [08:03] morning didrocks [08:03] hey jasoncwarner! [08:03] bonjour didrocks [08:03] jasoncwarner: how are you? completely back in your timezone? [08:03] guten morgen pitti [08:04] jasoncwarner: we did the brewery tour on the 2008 (or so) sprint; I think it was the same hotel even [08:04] jasoncwarner: it's really worth it indeed, highly interesting [08:04] didrocks: pretty much, yes. Feeling better as well. Slept like 12 hours last night, which is like sleeping 4 in baby hours ;) [08:04] I did it as well when I was on my 6 month internship in Dublin, was interesting :) [08:05] jasoncwarner: waow :-) [08:06] pitti: from what I understood, the hotel is not really far from stephen's green parc, isn't it? [08:07] didrocks: it was close to _a_ park (on the way to Grafton street and city center) [08:07] not sure what its name was, though [08:07] pitti: and a lovely comercial center, isn't it? [08:07] just that OSM had an excellent plan of it :) [08:08] maybe we'll see/hear more bands playing on Grafton street this time [08:08] pitti: very white, like this one: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Stephen%27s_Green_Centre.JPG [08:08] ah, haven't seen that [08:08] ok, I'll bring you there, it's really beautiful ;) [08:08] oh didn't get any bands playing on Grafton street? [08:09] chrisccoulson: would you mind reviewing https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-firefox-translations-in-launchpad today? [08:09] didrocks: I just saw one once [08:09] oh, not very lucky then :/ [08:10] * pitti checks flights [08:10] will be weird to be back to Dubin TBH, not such a long time for me (5 years from now) [08:10] EI 353 W 26JUN MUC 1 DUB 2 1150 1320 [08:10] EI 352 R 02JUL DUB 2 MUC 1 0720 1050 [08:10] hm, not much time on Sunday afternoon, neither on the Saturday after, but we'll have some time during the week evenings [08:11] right, and Dublin is very nice in the evening, city's lights are nice [08:31] morning pitti!, did you have the chance to upload the natty langpacks, and if so, can I clear the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA page ? [08:32] dpm: yes, I moved them to -updates last night [08:32] pitti, great, thanks, I'll clear the wiki then [08:32] cheers [08:44] didrocks: I'd appreciate some feedback from you on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-cd-localization [08:44] pitti: sure, looking [08:44] sabdfl: good morning Mark [08:44] sabdfl: if you have a moment for cross-checking the general strategy there? ^ [08:47] pitti: The work items tracker, does it work? Sorry but this is the first time I'm dealing with tasks assigned to myself :( [08:48] cdbs: yes, it's happily tracking oneiric WIs [08:48] the trend lines are off, since we didn't officially start tracking yet [08:48] pitti: silly question, but where is it hosted? :D [08:48] maybe because I'm looking at the wrong place [08:49] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-desktop-team.html for desktop team [08:49] hey desktopers [08:49] hey pitti [08:49] bonjour seb128 [08:49] wie gehts? [08:49] good morning seb128 [08:49] seb128: gut, danke! [08:50] seb128: saw your ping wrt. libnotify, on my list [08:50] pitti, thanks ;-) [08:50] seb128: I just finished drafting my last spec, so I'll get to that now [08:50] hey seb128! [08:50] hey cdbs didrocks [08:50] seb128: do you think you'll have some time today for spec reviews? [08:50] pitti, yes [08:50] cool [08:50] will go through the ones I'm approver for today === ara_ is now known as ara [08:53] hello [08:53] hi baga [08:54] is there anyone in here using gnome3 in ubuntu 11.04 ? [08:56] baga, you should better just ask your question if you have one, some people tried that, some people use a vm, etc but you could get a reply from people who know about it without running it [08:56] baga: yes, go ahead, ask your question [08:57] !anyone | baga [08:57] baga: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll. [08:57] seb128: ah bummer, libnotify isn't in pkg-gnome [08:57] pitti, it is? [08:57] not according to http://packages.qa.debian.org/libn/libnotify.html [08:57] and svn+ssh://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-gnome/desktop/experimental/libnotify doesn't exist either [08:58] pochu has been uploading it though [08:58] hum [08:59] not that much of a biggie, though; as soon as Debian updates, we can sync again [08:59] pitti, http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-gnome/packages/unstable/libnotify [08:59] pitti, re: the localized cd tools, there's also http://uck.sourceforge.net/ which some locos use. I've added it to the references section of the spec [08:59] http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-gnome/packages/experimental/libnotify/debian/changelog [08:59] pitti, ^ it's in packages, not desktop [09:00] ah [09:00] I'll add a Vcs-* header then [09:00] pitti, desktop is official GNOME desktop set [09:00] ok. yesterday i installed gnome3 using ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 and it work fine until this morning after i'm upgrade my ubuntu and gnome3 session not working properly. [09:00] thanks [09:00] pitti, yw ;-) [09:01] baga, what is not working properly? [09:01] morning [09:01] after i reboot my laptop. there is no gnome session only ubuntu session [09:02] by the way i'm using ubuntu 11.04 64 bit [09:07] hmm, my brasero upload was rejected because of lack of permissions, isn't it part of the gnome stack? [09:09] it ought to be [09:09] probably wasn't when we set up the packageset, hang on [09:09] ok [09:10] oh, brasero, not banshee [09:10] that's weird indeed [09:10] rodrigo_: try again [09:10] ok [09:15] seb128: re the pidgin FTBFS: thanks to slangasek I now know how to fix it (use dh-autoreconf to get a working set of regenerated autotools files) but it got too late yesterday to get a merge of pidgin done. [09:16] geser, is pidgin not using autoreconf yet? [09:17] seb128: no, the Makefile(?) calls automake and aclocal when it finds the patched configure.ac but not libtoolize which caused the FTBFS due to the version mismatch AFAIU [09:17] ok, things patching configure.ac should use dh-autoreconf nowadays [09:18] we ported most of GNOME to it and it works great [09:18] geser, thanks a lot for debugging it! [09:20] geser, let me know if you need any sponsoring [09:20] will do, probably today evening [09:24] seb128: libnotify done [09:25] pitti, danke [09:25] geser, is that just a matter of using dh-autoreconf, do you want me to do it? [09:26] good morning everyone [09:26] hey chrisccoulson [09:26] hi pitti, how are you? [09:27] chrisccoulson: I'm great, thanks! how about yourself? sleeping longer again these days? [09:27] seb128: yes, just add "include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/autoreconf.mk" (I hope I remember that path correctly) to debian/rules and pidgin builds again. And replacing our addition of libtool to Build-Depends with dh-autoreconf [09:27] pitti - i only slept in because i don't feel too well today ;) [09:27] geser, ok, thanks (I know how to make things use dh-autoreconf no worry ;-) [09:27] argh, late ubuflu? [09:27] i've almost lost my voice today. it's a good job i don't need to talk to people ;) [09:28] pitti - yeah, i've had it all week, but today is definitely the worst so far [09:28] hey chrisccoulson [09:28] pitti: urgh, my comments didn't intend to be so long, sorry about it :) [09:29] pitti - i'm pretty much ready to push the button on firefox 5 (i'm just waiting for mozilla to push it to the beta channel) [09:29] it contains the new language packs [09:29] didrocks: don't apologize for being thorough :) [09:29] how often do we get language pack updates in oneiric? [09:29] chrisccoulson: is that blocked for uploading oneiric langpacks without XPIs, or did you add replaces:? [09:29] chrisccoulson: not at all so far [09:29] pitti - i've added replaces [09:29] we'll need replaces anyway for upgrades, I think [09:30] which sort-of works. but it leaves some residual search plugins for non en-US users for now (as some of the mozilla localized plugins have different filenames to the ones we ship) [09:31] that will go away once langpack-o-matic, but it means that some users will get english + localized plugins for some search services temporarily in oneiric [09:31] **once langpack-o-matic is fixed [09:31] d'oh [09:31] * chrisccoulson needs coffee [09:31] sounds fine to me at this early point === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [10:38] pitti - do you want me to remove your work item from desktop-o-mozilla-rapid-release-maintenance? I think that's already covered in desktop-o-firefox-translations-in-launchpad [10:46] didrocks: followed up to your comments, thanks! [10:47] pitti: yw ;) [10:47] pitti, do you read https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seed/+bug/782972 as "you can promote" as well? [10:47] Launchpad bug 782972 in seed "[mir] seed" [Undecided,In progress] [10:47] seb128: the bug status seems "approved", let me check [10:47] oh, mterry is already there [10:47] chrisccoulson: ah, right, please [10:47] mterry, hey ;-) [10:47] pitti: oh, you removed one of my item (hennekn wrongly moved it), I'm moving back, again ;) [10:47] mterry, can I promote seed and libpeas? ;-) [10:48] kees acked it [10:48] didrocks: I did? I was about to restore your comments that hennekm killed, but someone else already restored it [10:50] pitti: yeah, I restored between, editing war blueprints not handling conflicts :) [10:50] done now [10:50] pitti: ok, on your feedback, looking at the spec updated now [10:50] pitti - ok, i'll do that. am i meant to be approver for desktop-o-firefox-translations-in-launchpad ? [10:50] i just realized i can approve it ;) [10:51] chrisccoulson: yes, as I was the drafter, and you are the firefox guru for cross-checking [10:51] pitti: for the additional files, I would just be in favor of either localizable examples (which other bin package by local shipping them), or just an additional source package [10:51] pitti - cool. ok, it's approved now then :) [10:51] didrocks: I agree; everythign shoudl be packaged, otherwise upgrades/fixes/CD builds will be impossible [10:52] chrisccoulson: yay [10:53] pitti: waow, seeing your diff on the spec, that would put simplecommeubuntu in main. I'm fine with it! :) [10:53] pitti: and agree on the major issue which can be seen only as "== Possible future improvements ==" [10:59] pitti - if you feel like using your axe, then bug 782088 might be for you :) [10:59] Launchpad bug 782088 in firetray "Please remove firetray and blacklist" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/782088 [11:00] didrocks: I see nothing wrong with having an Ubuntu book in main, as long as it's kept up to date [11:02] pitti: yeah, this time it wasn't the case due to ETOOFEWTIMES, but for the last 5 years, it was up in beta (meaning: additional reading to fix typo needed) before RC and up to date in the final version for the release. I'll move the schedule a little bit before, praying for no last minute design change (taking screenshots is time consuming) [11:03] chrisccoulson: *splatter* [11:03] heh :) [11:03] * pitti off for some errands and lunch [11:07] pitti - desktop-o-mozilla-rapid-release-maintenance is ready for approval once you get back from lunch [11:07] plenty of removals this cycle ;) [11:07] i'm going to be popular [11:07] and someone said at UDS that we never remove old cruft from the archive! [11:08] we don't [11:09] you just try to clean things user run, not cruft ;-=) [11:10] pitti, btw I unassigned ubuntu-desktop from the desktop-o-gtk3-gnome3 to not spam the list at each whiteboard update [11:18] hmmm, this is a really ugly screenshot (except for the web content, of course): https://launchpadlibrarian.net/71997567/html5Ubuntuweb.PNG [11:24] hello === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [11:51] any idea why we disable dbus in evince package? [11:51] do we? [11:51] rodrigo_, or do we have 2 builds, one gtk only one and a normal one and it's off only in the gtk build? [11:51] hmm [11:52] yes, we disable it for the gtk build [11:52] the debian package doesn't have that anymore, so do I keep it? [11:53] rodrigo_, they don't have what? [11:53] the --disable-dbus call for evince-gtk [11:53] hello seb128 [11:53] s/call/argument [11:53] lut kinoucho`, ca va ? [11:53] rodrigo_, just follow what they do [11:54] not sure it still make sense to have a gtk binary anyway [11:54] we should ask on #debian-gnome [11:54] seb128: yes and you? [11:54] kinoucho`, I'm fine thanks ;-) [11:55] seb128, they still have evince-common and evince-gtk, they have merged all libev* packages into one though [11:57] seb128, ah, evince-gtk is built without keyring support [11:57] so I'll keep as it is in debian, ok? === kinoucho` is now known as kinouchou [12:00] rodrigo_, ok, I just debdiffed the binaries it still make sense [12:00] ok [12:00] rodrigo_, the gtk one doesn't ship the nautilus thumbnailer and doesn't depends on gvfs [12:00] now only missing our patches, and should be ready to upload [12:00] ok, great [12:05] pitti, oh, you didn't update libnotify to the current minor version? [12:12] rodrigo_, hello :) [12:12] hi ricotz [12:13] rodrigo_, i noticed the brasero upload, but i am a bit confused about the dependency wait [12:13] what is it waiting for? [12:14] it claims that libtracker-client-0.8-dev is missing [12:14] which is available though [12:14] hmm, yes, it is [12:15] i will copy it to the ppa and see what happens [12:16] ricotz, rodrigo_: tracker is in universe [12:16] we don't want to build-dep on it [12:16] is that build-depends optional? [12:16] seb128, ah, that explains it ;), so the ppa will work [12:16] seb128, hmm, not optional, no, but can make it optional, I guess [12:17] rodrigo_, ok, please do [12:17] ok [12:17] we don't want to install tracker by default [12:42] nessita, hey, how are you? [12:42] didrocks, so, question for you [12:42] seb128: preeeetty good. You? [12:42] * didrocks hides [12:42] hey nessita [12:42] nessita, I'm fine thanks ;-) [12:43] hi didrocks! how's life going? [12:43] didrocks, what was the issue with glew and unity previous cycle which made us downgrade and can we sync 1.6 in oneiric? [12:43] nessita: going fine, thanks, sunny weather! [12:44] seb128: apparently, some issue on intel card where compositing didn't activate after the upgrade IIRC [12:44] didrocks, bug #711396 was the issue but I guess nobody ever reviewed if that was nux or glew being buggy? [12:44] Launchpad bug 711396 in glew "segfault in nux::IOpenGLFrameBufferObject::Deactivate" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711396 [12:45] seb128: I guess the guilty was glew itself and not nux. But better to check again with the Xorg guys first [12:45] didrocks, do we know of anybody who had the issue who could try if that's still one with 1.6? [12:45] or should we just sync and wait for bugs to come and debug then? [12:45] seb128: I would say so, yeah, better to sync now and wait for debug. I don't remember if i945 were affected [12:46] I think they were [12:46] didrocks, ok, I will check with the X guys and install it there to see if it obviously break on intel [12:46] didrocks, if it's fine I will sync and we can wait for complains ;-) [12:46] seb128: right, i can give it a try with my intel hardware as well, if you want [12:47] yeah, seems a good plan! :) [12:47] glew has a patch for the .pc IIRC as well [12:47] but maybe debian took it now (I didn't see any activity on the upstream bug report) [12:48] didrocks, the #ubuntu-x guys can probably get it in debian if it's not there yet [12:48] seb128: right, I remember that it was accidentally removed once, and I was starting to cry building nux :) [12:54] right, i'm going to take the plunge in to oneiric now [12:54] wish me luck! [12:54] :) [12:56] oops. it helps if i spell oneiric correctly in my sources.list [12:56] i wondered why i had like 5 packages to upgrade [13:03] hmm, i think i'm just going to stop reading d-d-l before it makes me depressed [13:03] it's a pretty hostile place to go [13:03] heh [13:03] good morning :) [13:04] hi cyphermox, how are you? how was your flight back? [13:04] it was alright, uneventful. [13:05] seb128: oh, 0.7.2 is still too old? darn [13:06] seb128: putting on my list again then, sorry [13:06] no worry [13:15] rodrigo_: ping? [13:15] cyphermox, pong [13:15] hey! :) [13:15] I was wondering how far along g-c-c was ? [13:16] cyphermox, in lp~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-control-center/ubuntu, ready to be uploaded, but I wanted a review of all the patches I dropped [13:16] cool [13:16] cyphermox, if you want to do the review, please do :) [13:17] hehe I can always take a look, but can't merge [13:17] oh nm [13:17] or maybe I can upload it and do other uploads as we find problkems/missing patches [13:17] cyphermox, oh, still not in ubuntu-desktop team? [13:17] no [13:18] waiting for +1s or -1s on the list ^.^ [13:18] oh, can I +1? or am I too new? [13:22] rodrigo_: if you sponsored cyphermox's packages, sure [13:22] I never did [13:22] so no +1 from me, sorry :) [13:22] anyway, lunch now [13:36] is gnome-settings-daemon mostly stabilized? it seems it is not working properly here. (should I investigage and bug-report?) [13:42] rodrigo_, oh, you wait on review for g-c-c? your comment was not clear about that, it seemed like you dropped all patches and needed to port those [13:43] hv: unlike yesterday, today my keybindings are working again [13:43] and the unity panel shows the correct theme again [13:44] (i. e. not the hicolor icons, but the humanity ones) [13:44] hv, you should open a bug [13:44] so I'd call that stable enough for this early oneiric stage :) [13:44] the other ugliness is just because we lack a gtk 3 theme [13:45] I cannot change the theme, and desktop is not shown. instead nautilus is started in a *window*. [13:45] both is expected breakage TTBOMK [13:47] hv, well early times in unstable cycle don't give stable experience ;-) [13:47] the nautilus issue is known [13:47] how about the theme issue? [13:48] see above -- we don't yet have a theme for gtk3 [13:48] well, not an ubuntuish one anyway [13:48] oh, so it is not broken then [13:49] well, it is broken, but "expectedly broken" [13:49] but these window buttons look kinda cute as well, don't they? :-) [13:49] adwaita kinda works [13:50] great! I can live with the theme and nautilus. I was worried if other things are broken, too. [13:50] so it is not really a gnome-settings-daemon problem anymore [13:50] compiz seems to have major issues with redrawing here [13:51] is lightdm going to be the default btw? [13:53] btw, is the overlay-scrollbar going to ported to gtk3? [13:53] yes to both [13:53] a more firm yes to the latter, though [13:54] there's still the (small) possibility that something goes wrong with lightdm, and we'll revert to gdm [13:54] lightdm randomly crashes for me, so I can see how that might happen ;) [13:55] ah, I haven't tried it yet [13:55] * pitti tries to stay to a default install as closely as possible for dogfooding [13:56] seb128, FYI i updated overlay-scrollbars and the gtk2 patch in the PPA last night, in case we start seeing more bugs :) [13:56] seb128, no, I just dropped the ones that don't apply anymore because of that piece of code going away, so the review is about making sure what we need frtom those patches and add work items [13:56] rodrigo_, ok, I can do that [13:56] hv, report bugs, issues can't be worked when they are not reported [13:57] kenvandine, ok, is that for natty as well or just oneiric? [13:57] kenvandine, what about the gtk3 theme? ;-) [13:57] seb128, cool, thanks [13:57] * rodrigo_ goes back to finish cooking and lunch, bbl [13:57] just for natty so far, didn't rush to do it for oneiric [13:57] however when i do, i will put the oneiric build right in oneiric [13:58] seb128, he has something done for the gtk3 engine, but he said he isn't going to be watching for bugs and merge proposals for it just yet, and won't do a release [13:58] and there is no theme for it yet [13:58] i'll get a snapshot packaged though, soon [13:58] not the top of my list though :) [13:58] kenvandine, why not? [13:58] working on the tp-approver atm [13:59] can we stop spending time on stupid scrollbars and get a working theme? [13:59] hehe [13:59] not joking [13:59] still no theme? [13:59] did you trying running oneiric? [13:59] i'm just in the middle of upgrading ;) [13:59] i'll try to get a timeline for when we can expect a theme [13:59] seb128, no... not yet... but the gtk3 build of gwibber looks terrible :/ [14:00] i am going to switch this weekend, i think [14:00] kenvandine: right, that's how oneiric looks now [14:00] i figured :) [14:00] FWIW, not the thing I'd put on #1 on the TODO list, though [14:00] it works, just looks a bit bad [14:01] i would say compared to new features in the scrollbar... it should be higher [14:01] well, I would put it before scrollbars updates still [14:01] agreed [14:01] breakage > libraries > theme > scrollbars [14:02] are we in a good state now to upgrade to oneiric? [14:02] or should i wait a couple more days? [14:04] it's stable enough to be used [14:04] it's not rocking stable [14:04] kenvandine, I did it on two systems, one upgraded fine, one blew up with kernel problems (probably because it's sandybridge) [14:08] is any gtk3 theme (e.g. off gnome-look.org) supposed to work, cuz the first one (sorted by rating) apparently isn't working. [14:12] gtk3 theme or gnome-shell theme ? [14:13] (oops sorry i hav not see im talking into this room) [14:14] more specifically, the theme change affects gnome-appearance-properties window but not anything else. [14:18] hv, right, gtk3 has no theme and not sure if g-s-d is setting gtk2 themes [14:20] eh? gtk3 has themes [14:20] only one in the archive though [14:20] yes [14:20] not to mention that it has no UI out of the tweak tool to set one and the tweak tool depends on gnome-shell [14:20] well 2 [14:20] the default, and the gnome one [14:21] the dconf command line tool supposedly works, but i haven't gotten it to :( [14:22] my gtk3 is still stuck in 1995 [14:22] but i've seen the problem being described by hv, on another user's computer at UDS, on 11.04 [14:23] and i'm pretty sure he didn't enable the gnome3 PPA at least. and it was immediately after he'd installed it. [14:23] very weird [14:25] dobey: g-s-d crash? [14:27] pitti: that's what i thought, but gnome-appearance-properties worked fine. which makes no sense [14:27] pitti: since if g-s-d crashes, g-a-p should end up with the crappy theme too if it's running when g-s-d crashes [14:27] dobey, gnome-appearance-properties writes a gconf key which the new g-s-d doesn't read to apply the xsettings [14:28] since g-s-d use gsettings and gnome-appearance-properties got dropped [14:30] seb128: define "new" here? you mean in gnome 2 or gnome 3? [14:30] dobey, gnome3 [14:30] urgh, my fonts are barely readable [14:30] i hope that disappears after i restart [14:30] seb128: i'm talking about 11.04 which is still gnome 2 [14:30] pretty sure we don't ship g-s-d 3.0 in it? [14:32] right [14:32] dobey, no it doesn't, but we were talking about gtk3 themes [14:32] which don't really matter on natty since it has no gtk3 application [14:33] seb128: well it matters if someone tries to set the gtk3 theme because they want to build/run a gtk3 app on 11.04. 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