[03:24] <LLStarks> this gnome3 transition on oneiric is really rough
[03:24] <LLStarks> i think firefox is having focus issues because of it
[03:26] <micahg> LLStarks: I'm waiting for the first update-manager upload with the devel release enabled to update
[03:26] <micahg> s/update/upgrade/
[03:27] <LLStarks> one more time plz
[03:27] <micahg> LLStarks: I haven't upgraded yet, so I can't confirm or deny
[03:27] <LLStarks> ah
[10:06] <chrisccoulson> i doubt the gnome 3 transition has anything to do with focus issues in firefox
[10:06] <chrisccoulson> it's because of compiz. and it's broken in natty too
[10:07] <chrisccoulson> i'm really starting to hate compiz
[10:07] <chrisccoulson> i should maybe start using reverse psychology on it, because it always does the opposite of what i wanted it to do
[10:42] <Fudge> is the ppa ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa ?
[12:57] <chrisccoulson> fta - did you upgrade to oneiric yet? i'm just starting it now
[12:57] <fta> chrisccoulson, i did, 2 days ago
[12:57] <chrisccoulson> how did it go?
[12:58] <fta> quite ok. the upgrade fails because of bug 779174 but no big deal
[12:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 779174 in openjdk-6 "package ca-certificates-java 20110426 failed to install/upgrade: fix path to libnss3 for multiarch" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/779174
[12:58] <chrisccoulson> nice. the upgrade is going to remove evolution. i smell a conspiracy here
[12:58] <fta> and the gnome theme is weird
[12:58] <chrisccoulson> fta - i guess the theme is weird because we don't have a gtk3 engine or theme yet
[12:59] <fta> yep, saw that this morning
[12:59] <chrisccoulson> that's being worked on
[12:59] <fta> The following packages have been kept back:
[12:59] <fta>   evolution-data-server evolution-data-server-common libebook1.2-10 openarena openarena-server
[12:59] <fta> if i force it, it removes evo
[12:59] <fta> but i depend on it
[13:01] <fta> and i can't use tb
[13:15] <chrisccoulson> fta - do you want me to look after the umd PPA btw?
[13:15] <fta> yes
[13:15] <chrisccoulson> fta - i can do that. but i'll need some help from you to run your bot ;)
[13:15] <chrisccoulson> (to start with)
[13:16] <fta> sure. There's a README in the sources, and i'd be happy to help if it's not enough
[13:16] <chrisccoulson> fta - cool, thanks. i'll take a look whilst my machine is upgrading
[13:18] <chrisccoulson> micahg, which interfaces does gcu-plugin use btw? (I saw your comment on desktop-o-mozilla-rapid-release-maintenance)
[13:38] <chrisccoulson> fta - oh, that's quite well documented :)
[13:38] <chrisccoulson> where do you keep the current config for umd?
[13:38] <fta> in a branch
[13:38] <fta> let me check if it's committed
[13:38] <chrisccoulson> fta - i found lp:~fta/+junk/ppa-confs, but it looks out of date
[13:39] <fta> rev45
[13:40] <fta> and rev151 for the bot itself
[13:43] <fta> and my crontab has "0 5 * * * /data/bot/src/daily.sh -e umd"
[13:43] <fta> chrisccoulson, ^^
[13:43] <chrisccoulson> fta - excellent, thanks
[13:43] <fta> you should probably pull the .daily branches to preserve the history
[13:45] <fta> also, iirc, the get-orig-source of the mozilla packages (mozclient) is not able to properly initiate the upstream cache
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> fta - how do you sign the packages from a cron job btw?
[13:59] <fta> i use a key without password
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> fta - ah, ok. i thought that might be the answer
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, my machine is really starting to crawl now
[15:31] <fta> chrisccoulson, did it work?
[15:33] <chrisccoulson> fta - the bot or the upgrade? ;)
[15:33] <chrisccoulson> my machine is in a pretty bad way
[15:33] <fta> uh, both? :)
[15:35] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, i'll try the bot now i've upgraded
[15:40] <fta> bug 147080
[15:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 147080 in update-manager-core "do-release-upgrade should make disabling third party repositories optional" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147080
[16:00] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, the bot seems to be working so far (although, it's just downloading mozilla-central atm)
[16:20] <fta> chrisccoulson, yep, that's why you'd better use the cache
[16:22]  * micahg hugs fta and chrisccoulson 
[16:25] <chrisccoulson> hi micahg, how are you? did you upgrade to oneiric yet? ;)
[16:25] <micahg> chrisccoulson: no, waiting for update-manager to recognize oneiric :)
[16:26] <chrisccoulson> i just did an apt-get dist-upgrade ;)
[16:26]  * micahg supposes he could do that
[16:26] <micahg> maybe over the weekend
[16:27] <chrisccoulson> it's a lot of fun ;)
[16:31] <chrisccoulson> fta - ok, that seems to be working fine
[16:32] <chrisccoulson> could you add me to ~ubuntu-mozilla-daily too please?
[16:35] <asac> [reed]: hey man!
[16:35] <asac> [reed]: who should we talk to on automated benchmarking of browser rendering and what benchmarks you use and have in the repo?
[16:35] <chrisccoulson> asac!
[16:35] <chrisccoulson> hi :)
[16:35] <asac> hello friends!
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> asac - how are you? recovered from UDS?
[16:37] <asac> yes!! i am back on track
[16:37] <asac> foot is back to human shapes
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> that's good :)
[16:37] <asac> antibiotics and sleep for 60 of 80 hours helped
[16:38] <asac> still not 100% ok but i see light
[17:19] <fta> chrisccoulson, done. could I stop the bot on my side then?
[17:19] <fta> asac, hey
[17:20] <chrisccoulson> fta - thanks. yeah, i can take over that now
[17:20] <asac> hello fta
[17:22] <micahg> fta: thank you for running the bot all these years
[17:43] <asac> fta: you got rid of the bot? wow
[17:44] <asac> congrats for the transition ... hope you can use the new time to contribute more to the core of things
[18:03] <fta> asac, well, the plan was more to retire
[18:12] <asac> fta: retire entirely?
[18:12] <asac> dont tell me that ... how comes?
[18:14] <asac> tell me what you want!
[18:15] <LLStarks> chrisccoulson, i'm on oneiric and i've been having sporadic focus issues with firefox since gnome3 started landing
[18:16] <fta> asac, i drafted something on my blog weeks ago explaining why, i still need to finish it
[18:18] <asac> fta: ic ... whatver that is, I loved working with you! and it is a pleasure to know you!
[18:18] <asac> if you need anything you know where to find me!
[18:18] <asac> i hope you still stay in low maintenance mode
[18:18] <asac> rather blog about what is bad etc. ;)
[18:18] <asac> but not sure; i understand if you are super fed up. just would have loved to help more and feel really bad that i couldnt
[18:31] <fta> asac, well, thanks. but i guess there's nothing you don't already know
[20:12] <micahg> chrisccoulson: libgtk2-mozembed-perl is a suggests of perl, no need to drop the package from the archive
[20:12] <micahg> oops, suggests of gmusicbrowsert
[20:22] <chrisccoulson> micahg, right. i haven't checked all the package relationships in detail yet. all i've checked is that they are there
[20:23]  * chrisccoulson sharpens axe for thunderbird-locales
[20:28] <bhearsum> anyone know if there's plans to add mozilla-aurora and/or mozilla-beta based builds to the Mozilla Daily PPA?
[20:34] <m_conley> bhearsum: ask again, now that chrisccoulson is back. :)
[20:34] <chrisccoulson> heh
[20:34] <chrisccoulson> my connection died when i undocked my laptop
[20:34] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: bhearsum asked:  "are there plans to add mozilla-aurora and/or mozilla-beta based builds to the Mozilla Daily PPA?"
[20:34] <bhearsum> hehe
[20:35] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, bhearsum - there are no plans for aurora atm
[20:35] <chrisccoulson> for beta, we will provide beta builds in the firefox-next PPA
[20:35] <chrisccoulson> and we will also upload them to the development release of ubuntu
[20:35] <bhearsum> ah
[20:35] <chrisccoulson> i'm already ready to push the button on 5.0 ;)
[20:37] <bhearsum> would it be a lot of work to set-up mozilla-aurora based builds? i've got no experience with Ubuntu PPAs, but tons of experience with Mozilla builds
[20:37] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, it probably wouldn't be too much effort if there is a demand for it
[20:38] <chrisccoulson> beta builds are definitely important for us, as thats what we'll be using to test our security updates in the future ;)
[20:38] <bhearsum> yeah
[20:40] <bhearsum> thanks for your time chrisccoulson, i think i'm going to do some reading about PPAs and see if i can get one for mozilla-aurora going
[20:40] <jcastro> chrisccoulson: is there a bug report for quicklists for tbird?
[20:42] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, cool, no problem. i can probably get aurora builds going soon. i'm still adjusting to my new workflow :)
[20:42] <chrisccoulson> jcastro, i'm not sure if there is a bug report for that
[20:43] <bhearsum> cool :)
[20:43] <Dimmuxx> chrisccoulson: so 5 will be built the moment it's official? ;)
[20:44] <chrisccoulson> Dimmuxx, it will be uploaded to oneiric, yes. i'm already running our build here
[20:44] <Dimmuxx> what about the -next ppa?
[20:44] <jcastro> chrisccoulson: there's no WI for it in the unity-integration spec, did we forget or is it one of those assumed tasks?
[20:44] <chrisccoulson> i'll put it in the firefox-next PPA too, which will probably become the staging area for transitioning lucid, maverick and natty too
[20:45] <chrisccoulson> jcastro, it's all part of launcher integration. that is there isn't it?
[20:45] <jcastro> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-default-apps-unity-integration
[20:45] <jcastro> firefox is mentioned, but not tbird.
[20:45] <Dimmuxx> great to hear, the 4 betas were usually a couple days after release
[20:45] <jcastro> (I'm not trying to generate more work, just trying to get them all sorted)
[20:46] <jcastro> chrisccoulson: someone from the community made a .desktop file, I just want to make sure it gets to the right spot, should I file a bug in lp with it or upstream?
[20:47] <chrisccoulson> oh, xchat died there. i'm loving oneiric
[20:47] <chrisccoulson> jcastro, i think m_conley already has plans for quicklists
[20:48] <jcastro> ah cool
[20:48] <jcastro> m_conley: is there a bug report somewhere?
[20:48] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, do you run ubuntu btw?
[20:48] <bhearsum> chrisccoulson: yeah, i'm on 11.04 currently
[20:49] <Dimmuxx> chrisccoulson: it's just telling you to switch to irssi
[20:49] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, oh, cool. you work on firefox don't you?
[20:50] <chrisccoulson> Dimmuxx, i like xchat (when it doesn't crash)
[20:50] <bhearsum> chrisccoulson: yeah, i'm a Release Engineer at Mozilla
[20:50] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, oh, that's good to know :)
[20:51] <Dimmuxx> chrisccoulson: all gui clients I've tried always have some flaws
[20:52] <chrisccoulson> Dimmuxx, i think that's true of all software ;)
[20:52] <bhearsum> some more than others :)
[20:52] <Dimmuxx> probably but there are some that you can live with at least :P
[20:52] <chrisccoulson> heh
[20:53] <chrisccoulson> this windows 95 look is really starting to hurt my eyes now
[20:53] <chrisccoulson> i want ambiance back again!
[20:53] <Dimmuxx> so 11.10 will look like win95?
[20:53] <chrisccoulson> Dimmuxx, it does at the moment because there is no gtk3 theme
[20:54] <Dimmuxx> ah
[20:54] <chrisccoulson> i guess if i fix my theme settings that i can get ambiance back for firefox though
[20:54] <chrisccoulson> i'm sure we still have gtk2 themes installed
[20:57]  * bhearsum decides to wait a bit before upgrading to 11.10
[20:57] <Dimmuxx> the linux server I'm using at work is using a really old suse version so it's a good reminder of how terrible gnome can look :P
[20:58] <m_conley> jcastro: no bug report, no.  :/
[20:58] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, yes, 11.10 is only for the crazy at the moment :)
[20:59] <m_conley> jcastro: but i'm hoping to get the Unity Launcher extension into the PPAs tomorrow, and have the .desktop updated to include the quicklists.
[20:59] <m_conley> jcastro: that's the plan, anyhow.
[21:03] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, i've just thought of something
[21:03] <chrisccoulson> your extension depends on tbird 3.3 doesn't it?
[21:04] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: it does indeed
[21:04] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[21:04] <chrisccoulson> we don't have 3.3 just yet
[21:04] <chrisccoulson> although, i'm almost ready to upload it
[21:05] <bhearsum> isn't it in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa already?
[21:05] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, i think that build has been broken for a little while. i'm going to transition that to comm-central this evening
[21:05] <bhearsum> ah
[21:05] <chrisccoulson> i was sort-of hoping we would get a 3.3 beta release soon :)
[21:17] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, http://is.gd/xLruvu
[21:17] <chrisccoulson> looks whats at number 10
[21:26] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: uh oh.  :/
[21:26] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, i've got a fix for that already though
[21:26] <chrisccoulson> it's pretty easily reproducible by installing the MR Tech Toolkit addon
[21:26] <m_conley> what's the issue?
[21:27] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, pretty much the same issue that was causing the lightning crash you looked at ages ago
[21:27] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: a new type of node?
[21:27] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: something that dummy doesn't account for?
[21:27] <chrisccoulson> except it seems to be adding a non-XUL element to the menu, and the extension just bails out of building the menu then
[21:28] <chrisccoulson> but then another bug causes it to crash
[21:28] <chrisccoulson> all of the destructors were assuming that the nodes initialized correctly
[21:28] <chrisccoulson> so i've fixed that now
[21:28] <m_conley> whew. :)
[21:29] <chrisccoulson> i'm also causing a common crash in firefox too, but for a different issue :(
[21:29] <chrisccoulson> but that's an easy fix too
[21:29] <chrisccoulson> i only realized after someone reported that to launchpad, and then i decided to do a search on crash-stats, and found the tbird crasher too
[23:32] <fta> route
[23:34] <BUGabundo> hey fta
[23:35] <fta>  oops
[23:35] <fta> bad focus
[23:35] <fta> unity..
[23:37] <BUGabundo> don't complain
[23:37] <BUGabundo> Classic dies on me today
[23:37] <BUGabundo> no gtk themes