[01:40] <Corey> Might want to fix floodbot  triggering on NAT cloaks.
[01:45] <rww> Corey: poke LjL about it, he's the floodbot person ;)
[01:45] <rww> and yes, i did say that to highlight LjL ;)
[01:58] <IdleOne> rww: is qin banned?
[01:58] <rww> not that I know of
[01:58] <IdleOne> thought I saw you mention something a couple days ago
[01:58] <IdleOne> about them
[02:00] <rww> oh hey, it's shcherbak. I knew it'd be someone that'd been in #ubuntu a while
[02:00] <rww> anyway. no, doesn't look like it.
[02:01] <rww> (I've been idly wondering who the new three-letter-nick person that answers questions like they're not new is)
[02:10] <rww> ubottu: I'll get right on that ;)
[02:11] <rww> Assuming that nobody minds, I'm going to be leaving #ubuntu +r for a while, since these dolts are apparently watching for it to go -r.
[03:18] <Jordan_U> !ping
[03:20] <HFSPLUS> hey
[03:20] <rww> hi
[03:20] <HFSPLUS> My brain is quad core on 200MG caffiene
[03:20] <rww> okay
[03:20] <HFSPLUS> wait
[03:21] <HFSPLUS> and it runs at 300Ghjz
[03:21] <HFSPLUS> plus ubuntu sucks cock
[03:21] <HFSPLUS> !ops
[03:21]  * rww giggles
[03:21] <IdleOne> hah
[03:21] <HFSPLUS> mac os x is god!
[03:21] <IdleOne> almost had me waiting for more specs
[03:21] <HFSPLUS> go go power rangers
[03:21] <HFSPLUS> BAN ME!
[03:21] <rww> IdleOne: almost makes me want to use Ubuntu
[03:21] <IdleOne> rww: I hear you
[03:22] <HFSPLUS> my brain specs are
[03:22] <IdleOne> EOL hardware?
[03:22] <HFSPLUS> 3.2Ghz Clock Speed 4 cores 256GB l2 Cache 1GB l1 Cache
[03:22] <HFSPLUS> 500Ghz FSB
[03:22] <rww> HFSPLUS: I haven't seen you in a while. I take it you're not here to resolve your multitude of bands?
[03:22] <HFSPLUS> and it is hyperthreaded
[03:22] <rww> bans. or bands too if you want.
[03:22] <HFSPLUS> and it runs exclusivly on my kernel Brain
[03:23] <HFSPLUS> when i take 1000Mg caffiene my brain rockets up to 1Thz
[03:23] <HFSPLUS> anyways i urge you to ban me
[03:23] <IdleOne> why?
[03:23] <rww> oh, YankeesFan is HFSPLUS? Lol, I never made that connection.
[03:23] <rww> or I did any forgot. either way, amused.
[03:23] <rww> and **
[03:24] <HFSPLUS> whos YankeesFan?
[03:24] <IdleOne> I am asking the questions here
[03:24] <IdleOne> why do you want to be banned?
[03:25] <HFSPLUS> ban me!
[03:27] <Pici> odd
[03:27] <rww> I like the bantracker comment for their +b in #ubuntu: "boring troll"
[03:28] <Pici> heh
[03:28] <IdleOne> He was slightly entertaining this time
[03:30] <elky> About as entertaining as fish in a barrel really. The most exciting bit is the nuking.
[10:49] <cdbs> Please remove the OCaml rebuild bit from the #ubuntu+1 topic and add "Do not upgrade gnome-settings-daemon to 3.0+ as it doesn't work well with Unity yet"
[11:45] <LjL> Corey: what's it about nat cloaks?
[14:38] <Amaranth> Pici: I only see two users with that hostmask
[14:38] <jrib> Pici: same ip as nickblotbla which I said "hello hello hello" to if you recall
[14:38] <Amaranth> Chaosfreund and nickbotbla
[14:39] <Pici> I sent a message to marten__ earlier who is on the same connection that we don't allow bots in our channel.
[14:40] <jrib> Drego is on now from the same connection
[15:36] <sdhasu> hi!
[15:36] <sdhasu> ban me!
[15:36] <sdhasu> i hit the gym hardcore everyday
[15:36] <sdhasu> fuck ubuntu
[15:36] <sdhasu> fuck linux
[15:36] <sdhasu> mac os x is god!
[15:36] <IdleOne> sdhasu: why do you want to be banned?
[15:37] <sdhasu> cuz i hit the gym hardcore
[15:37] <sdhasu> i need a doctor
[15:37] <sdhasu> meow meow
[15:37] <sdhasu> poopcheese
[15:38] <sdhasu> i bet no one hits the gym hardcore like i do
[15:41] <ikonia> I bet I do
[15:53] <jrib> "* (with ubuntu)"
[16:15] <popey> wut
[16:15] <popey> that makes no sense at all
[16:15] <IdleOne> it doesn't?
[16:16] <popey> no
[16:16] <popey> its wrong in a number of ways
[16:16] <popey> bah
[16:16] <popey> "Most "Partial Upgrade" situations occur due to package archive inconsistencies, which will typically be resolved within a few hours. If your package manager is confused, and so are you, simply wait and hold off the updates until things settle down. "
[16:16] <popey> its just flat out not true
[16:17] <IdleOne> you mean the info in the link?
[16:17] <popey> I just dont agree with any of it
[16:18] <IdleOne> Please edit the factoid to make it clearer
[16:18] <Pici> Its the information in the page, not just the factoid
[16:18] <popey> no, I disagree with the page _and_ the factoid
[16:18] <popey> but I don't know how to fix it
[16:18] <Pici> Also, I'm not a fan of "Due to the fact that uploads to the repositories of the active development branch are asynchronous and uncoordinated,..."
[16:18] <popey> I can't fix the forum
[16:18] <IdleOne> ok
[16:19] <popey> 'excessive removals by "apt-get dist-upgrade" - What does that even _mean_?
[16:20] <Pici> Its a bit vague.  Often package removals are exactly what dist-upgrades should be doing.
[16:20] <popey> dist-upgrades are something that people don't understand, people often give out stupid advice like "you should apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" thinking that "dist-upgrade" means "upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10"
[16:21] <IdleOne> The wording may not be perfect, but I have found that when upgrades want to remove many packages best thing is to just wait it out. Pici yes but not when it wants to uninstall half your system.
[16:21] <popey> so people avoid dist-upgrade when they actually _should_ use it
[16:21] <Pici> I always do dist-upgrades myself, I avoid 'apt-get update'
[16:21] <popey> IdleOne: i would like to see a real world example of that
[16:21] <popey> not anecdotal "wait worked for me" evidence
[16:22] <popey> Pici: i think you mean 'I avoid 'apt-get upgrade' '
[16:22] <Pici> popey: er, yes. that makes more sense ;)
[16:22] <popey> :)
[16:22] <charlie-tca> real world example was during natty, when an update to xorg removed half the installed packages and broke the system for days
[16:22] <popey> see, easy to get confused :)
[16:22] <IdleOne> popey: I can't show you one right now as my system is fairly stable, wants to remove evolution because of depends issues.
[16:23] <popey> "during natty" you mean on a +1 development release
[16:23] <popey> thats to be expected
[16:23] <popey> surely we're talking about non-dev releases here?
[16:23] <IdleOne> no
[16:23] <IdleOne> this is for +1
[16:23] <popey> this factoid is specifically aimed at +1?
[16:23] <IdleOne> least the wiki is for Oneiric
[16:23] <Pici> The link is in the forum's oneiric subforum
[16:23]  * popey shuts up
[16:23] <IdleOne> let's ask arand in -irc to make sure
[16:23]  * popey apologises
[16:24] <popey> (I still think the dist-upgrade bit is vague and badly worded)
[16:24] <popey> but I apologise, I thought this was a non-dev factoisd
[16:24] <charlie-tca> popey: the point you make is still valid
[16:24] <Pici> Some of the points*
[16:24] <charlie-tca> doing apt-get upgrade still fails to keep a system up to date
[16:25] <Pici> I agree, partial upgrades shouldn't be happening at all in non-dev releases, and if they are, its usually the user's fault (adding some repo with weird dependencies, etc)
[16:25] <popey> (or removing *buntu-desktop)
[16:25] <popey> (as a result of removing... oh. I don't know.. pulseaudio)
[16:26] <IdleOne> So, who would like to reword that factoid and make it a +1 only ? I nominate charlie-tca
[16:26] <popey> seconded
[16:26] <popey> win!
[16:27] <charlie-tca> heh
[16:27] <IdleOne> if it needs rewording
[16:27] <charlie-tca> How did I get to be the one that doesn't anything.
[16:27] <charlie-tca> How did I get to be the one that doesn't know anything.
[16:27] <IdleOne> huh?
[16:27] <charlie-tca> I don't even have bot access
[16:28] <IdleOne> suggest a better worded version
[16:28] <IdleOne> I'll add it :)
[16:28] <IdleOne> but I am not sure how to enable it for +1 only now that it is global
[16:29] <Pici> huh?
[16:29] <Pici> Its not in the bot at all yet.
[16:29] <charlie-tca> Partial upgrades during the develpment cycle, or excessive removals are often due to repository inconsistencies, the best fix is often to simply wait.
[16:30] <Pici> Just do !partialupgrade-#ubuntu+1 is <reply> etc...
[16:30] <IdleOne> Pici: I !forgot it
[16:30] <charlie-tca> something like that
[16:31] <Pici> IdleOne: Just keep it forgotten then, and do the !partialupgrade-#ubuntu+1 is  command
[16:36] <Pici> Does epiphany use webkit or gecko nowadays?
[16:36] <jpds> Yes.
[16:36] <Pici> thanks
[16:37] <IdleOne> WebKitGTK+
[16:39] <charlie-tca> Sorry, still trying to get by brain engaged fully here
[17:01] <rww> cdbs: I'm beginning to think we should remove issue notices from #ubuntu+1's topic and put "Go subscribe to ubuntu-devel-announce" (or wherever this is mentioned) instead ;P
[17:01] <rww> I know in Debian land there's an expectation that people running non-stable versions subscribe to a ML or two to find out about breakage. Is Ubuntu the same way?
[17:01] <popey> +1
[17:03] <jpds> I refuse to use systemd until it does email.
[17:03] <rww> hehehe
[17:30] <persia> I've just been reminded to review ban 37708.  I think I can drop it, but I'd appreciate some handholding through dealing with the bantracker, when someone has time (no hurry)
[17:32] <ikonia> persia: what's up ?
[17:32] <persia> ikonia, I've never used the bantracker before :)
[17:33] <IdleOne> So, your question is how to remove the ban from bantracker? you don't. just remove the ban in the channel it is set and the bot will update the tracker
[17:33] <ikonia> ok, lets walk it through
[17:34] <ikonia> ahh, I missed that was the point of the question
[17:34] <ikonia> ubottu will update the BT for you
[17:34] <persia> Ah, so I don't have to log into the bantracker or do anything?  Excellent!
[17:34] <persia> Thanks a lot.
[18:17] <oCean> hi there
 in #u   vous etes vraiment une bande de pute
[19:16] <Pici> ugh
[19:16] <Pici> le sigh
[19:47] <maco> for reference, iirc "porco dio" is "i shit on god" ... common spanish way of swearing is "porco" + $holy_thing
[19:48] <maco> ah no, spanish is caga dio
[19:48] <IdleOne> it's also an italian swear loosely translates to god damnit.
[19:48] <maco> that one was italian for "pig god"
[19:48] <maco> IdleOne: hey thanks
[19:49] <IdleOne> but it is more nasty in Italian
[19:49] <IdleOne> anyway not nice
[19:49] <maco> direct translation and looser meaning don't work so well on swear words
[19:49] <maco> i got far enough to figure out "offensive"
[19:49] <IdleOne> right :)
[19:50] <rww> I got far enough to figure out "irrelevant spam" and then they switched to English.
[19:50] <rww> Take that, polyglots.
[19:50] <maco> so make that the spanish way of swearing is caga + $holy_thing
[19:50] <maco> rww: the word the not xn4 person (bah forgot the nick) said that started with an m was the spanish word for the s-word-as-a-nouse
[19:50] <maco> noun
[19:51] <maco> nouse? huh. um. a mouse thats a noun? no theyre always nouns....
[19:51] <IdleOne> close but that was French
[19:51] <maco> (ps, that formula for spanish swearing applies pretty much exclusively to spain. latin america is more creative)
[19:51] <rww> there was a not-french one too, IdleOne
[19:51] <IdleOne> oh didn't see that one
[19:52] <IdleOne> guess I need to add some non English words to my watch list
[19:52] <rww> lolwatchlists
[19:57] <IdleOne> rww: how else do i catch the language and increase my ban count?
[19:57] <IdleOne> I want to be the best I what I do
[19:58] <Jordan_U> The state of IRC needs more funding. Your ticket quotas have been increased!
[20:02] <Flannel> yay IRC taxes!
[20:21] <IdleOne> We have new oppressors!
[20:21] <IdleOne> err, I mean ops
[20:21] <LjL> annuntio vobis gaudium magnum
[20:21] <IdleOne> you just got a new gun?
[20:22] <LjL> IdleOne: yes, i just need to register it to the gun access list
[20:29]  * topyli hides behind committee decision, washes hands
[20:30] <topyli> ;-)
[21:36]  * popey reads his irc mail. Golly, didnt expect that ☺
[21:37]  * popey rejoins -ot ;)
[21:38]  * LjL rolls eyes a little
[22:41] <rww> LjL: welcome back to the illuminati conspiracy
[22:46] <charlie-tca> Congratulations to the new ops! May your day never be boring again.
[22:47] <rww> #ubuntu ops: comes with free interesting times
[22:47] <Corey> Lucky lucky me. :-)
[22:48] <tonyyarusso> ooooh, that's who Corey is.  mmk
[22:48] <Corey> tonyyarusso: Yeah, I'm transitioning over.
[22:48] <tonyyarusso> Who said people could change their nicks?  Geez.
[22:51] <LjL> rww: thanks
[22:56]  * rww flaunts his voice
[22:57] <LjL> dunn daa dunn
[23:02]  * ldunn wallows in his -v
[23:02] <LjL> ldunn: do you have any inquiry for the core channels operators?
[23:02] <LjL> ldunn: if not, please part the channel
[23:02] <ldunn> :(
[23:02]  * LjL hugs ldunn
[23:02] <rww> ldunn: be careful, he bites
[23:02] <LjL> lovingly
[23:03] <rww> Biting is like kissing, only there's a winner.
[23:03] <maco> :D
[23:04] <maco> and she's a woman! she's a woman and she's the tardis!
[23:04] <maco> did you wish REALLY hard?
[23:04] <LjL> what
[23:04] <rww> hehehehe
[23:04] <ldunn> TIL #ubuntu-offtopic is mostly like -ot but with fewer people
[23:04]  * tonyyarusso does not understand reference ;(
[23:04]  * persia notes that same-species biting is one of the most virulent potential pathogen exchange mechanisms available
[23:04] <LjL> ldunn: itym #Ubuntu-olps?
[23:04] <rww> ldunn: I think you accidentally an -ops
[23:04] <ldunn> I do. :(
[23:05] <ldunn> irssi tab-complete for channels does not yet read my mind.
[23:05]  * tonyyarusso wonders what -olps is like
[23:05] <persia> ldunn, If you can make it work with a joystick, it's not that hard to get to mind-reading.
[23:05] <maco> tonyyarusso: latest episode of doctor who, "The Doctor's Wife", by Neil Gaiman
[23:06] <bazhang> ldunn, !
[23:06] <maco> the tardis's soul is put into a woman's body. she kisses the Doctor, then someone says "careful now, she bites!" and she goes "i do? oh! *bite* i like biting! biting's like kissing but with a winner!"
[23:06] <ldunn> hi bazhang !
[23:06] <bazhang> weeeeeeelllllcome!
[23:06] <ldunn> ttthaaaannnkk you.
[23:07] <highvoltage> man I really should start watching dr who
[23:07] <rww> yes
[23:07] <maco> definitely
[23:07] <highvoltage> is it ok just to start with season 6? or should I start from 2005? or from the 1960's or whenever it was?
[23:07] <rww> okays, work time
[23:07] <maco> season 5 probably
[23:07] <maco> because there's a single story arch across 5 & 6
[23:08] <tonyyarusso> Sounds like the sort of thing where if you miss a bit you'll be even more confused.
[23:08] <maco> tonyyarusso: eh, its a sitcom. you can watch an episode or two and whatevs
[23:08] <maco> its just that there's a bigger story arch thats taking 2 seasons to go through, so if you want that entire story, you should start at season 5 (when matt smith started)
[23:09] <maco> highvoltage: which means you've got about 15 episodes to catch up on
[23:09] <highvoltage> yeah I guess it's good to be current so I'll start with season 5 and catch up, and then take it from the beginning
[23:10] <maco> heh from the beginning is 1963
[23:10] <maco> ive seen all the post-2005 episodes and a decent handful of the 70s
[23:10] <maco> but ive by no means gone through the 80-something DVDs crimsun gave me
[23:10] <maco> (he was downsizing)
[23:25] <IdleOne> ldunn: welcome :) and congrats
[23:26] <ldunn> IdleOne: thanks :)
[23:34] <IdleOne> Corey: congrats to you also :)
[23:41] <popey> maco: do you listen to the doctor who podcast?
[23:45] <Corey> IdleOne: Thanks!