[00:12] <awilkins> Blech, C enums provide no type safety
[00:15] <brianb_> any multi boot experts?
[00:16] <brianb_> im tryin to use ubuntu 10.10 grub2 to boot into other linux distros using chain-load
[00:17] <brianb_> which are installed on a separte partition togther with their boot loader
[00:18] <brianb_> when i try to boot into the other disto i get a kernel panic
[00:20] <brianb_> the only thing i can see is on the grub.cfg file is that: the root=(hd0,msdos8) and the initrd (hdo,7)/boot/initrd.img
[00:20] <brianb_> is this correct?
[01:12]  * awilkins is very very very very bored at the time it take to compile kernels
[01:14] <awilkins> noooooooooo it's got the wrong version number
[01:29] <awilkins> yaaaay now it has the right version number
[01:30]  * awilkins now undergoes a scary moment as he installs his new kernel and reboots
[01:34]  * awilkins notes that he is running a new kernel and his computer didn't explode
[01:39]  * awilkins notes that alas his patch did not fix things
[01:39] <awilkins> Maybe I'm not running the new modules
[01:39] <awilkins> Gah
[07:40] <Apacheuk> morning or is it too early?
[07:47] <samuel_> lo all
[08:05] <daubers> Morning
[08:07] <diplo> Morning
[08:15] <samuel_> morning!
[08:22]  * daubers starts the long arduous task of data analysis from 3 days worth of hardware testing
[08:23] <DJones> Morning
[08:30] <fcuk112> morning!
[08:40] <dogmatic69> o/
[08:53] <popey> X3N: can you change the ubuntu-uk loco team to be delegated and not moderated?
[08:53] <popey> or Daviey
[08:59] <popey> AlanBell: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/19/dell-streak-pro-honeycomb-tablet-pictured-likely-to-be-with-us/
[08:59] <popey> thats a proper size phone ;)
[09:03] <bigcalm> Where are we? I've lost my place in this week :|
[09:03] <dwatkins> This is a proper sized phone... ;-) http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/retro-telephones/index.html
[09:03] <dwatkins> sold out? noooooooo!
[09:03] <dwatkins> I was saving up for one.
[09:04] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: http://gsm-telecom.marktplaats.nl/vaste-telefoons-niet-draadloos/447319718-ptt-telefoon-type-t65-de-luxe-oranje-ericsson.html
[09:04] <popey> long ago (10+ years) I had an idea to take a kids telephone and put the guts of a mobile phone in it
[09:05] <dwatkins> nice idea, popey - I'm considering buying an old classic dial phone and making it work with my BT line
[09:05] <bigcalm> "The Retro Phones are compatible with BT and other service providers which support pulse technology. The most notable provider which DOES NOT is Virgin Media as the Retro Phones are not DNA(Dual Networking Approved)."
[09:05] <dwatkins> heh
[09:05] <dwatkins> what would be awesome is making it into a SIP phone
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: My brother has a converter
[09:06] <bigcalm> I surprised that they aren't tone dial in the background
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: it takes pulses and converts them to tones :)
[09:06] <DJones> dwatkins: http://www.firebox.com/product/3311/Retro-Telephones
[09:06] <bigcalm> Ah, they are real old phones
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> http://www.oldphoneworks.com/rotatone-pulse-to-tone-converter.html
[09:06] <dwatkins> DJones: thanks
[09:06] <DJones> I'd been looking at that myself at the weekend
[09:07] <DJones> Although I was more interested in this http://www.firebox.com/product/3575/DTV-Shredder
[09:08] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:08] <dwatkins> I aw the link to the DTV shredder and wondered why you would want to shred a joystick with a built-in C64, DJones ;)
[09:10] <bigcalm> I like this track on last.fm "LFO - Freeze (Labradford remix)" but is has a constant high piched tone that rivals my tinitus :(
[09:16] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:17] <DJones> All says hello MooDoo
[09:23] <bigcalm> #ubuntu-uk has evolved into a hive mind
[09:24] <DJones> Resistance is futile
[09:24] <gord> must acquire cake.
[09:24]  * DJones assimilates some chocolate Bourbon biscuits
[09:28] <bigcalm> http://images.darkhorse.com/darkhorse/index_images/blog/awesomeprofile.jpg
[09:41] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:46] <MooDoo> morning
[09:46] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo o/
[09:47] <bigcalm> Damn it. iTunes has frozen again. I keep forgetting that I must not let a video run to the very end
[09:47] <bigcalm> Hi kids
[09:47] <BigRedS> yes
[09:47] <BigRedS> argh!
[09:47] <BigRedS> but hi
[09:48] <bigcalm> :)
[09:48]  * BigRedS restarts terminator
[09:49] <BigRedS> Ahhhh
[09:49] <BigRedS> Anyway, hi bigcalm
[09:49] <BigRedS> :)
[09:49] <bigcalm> Hi BigRedS
[10:04] <JamesTait> Good morning!
[10:13] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[10:16] <BigRedS> Any people running Gnome with two monitors? I'm wondering if Gnome does this too?
[10:16] <BigRedS> bug 784761
[10:18] <bigcalm> It doesn't identify outputs on 1 monitor for me
[10:22] <DJones> Yay, I may be entitled to £3,650 compensation for the accident I had according a text message, although I want more than £3,650 for the effects of the serious memory loss that mean I've forgotten about the accident
[10:23] <gord> maybe its about that time you sat down where there wasn't a chair
[10:23] <gord> thats pretty emotionally draining
[10:26] <DJones> Good thought, although I don't remember that one, /me adds another £10,000 onto the claim
[10:26] <BigRedS> bigcalm: ooh, not at all?
[10:26] <BigRedS> weird
[10:28] <oimon> so thats why my insurance has gone up 60%
[10:28] <oimon> or is it because they can't be bothered to do anything about those without any
[10:55] <BigRedS> q
[10:55] <BigRedS> bah. :(
[11:00] <davmor2> morning all
[11:01]  * oimon spent last night scanning barcodes of his dvd's..now onto the book collection :)
[11:03] <Laney> what for?
[11:07] <hamitron> catalogue them maybe?
[11:08] <hamitron> sounds pretty cool, if that is why :)
[11:09] <oimon> hamitron: yep, also to share with people
[11:10] <oimon> and keep track of what i've read etc
[11:10] <oimon> i've always wanted to do it but never had a barcode reader before
[11:10] <oimon> i have many 100s of books
[11:10] <diplo> I use alexandria for that for books, using isbn codes
[11:10] <diplo> barcode does seem easier
[11:10] <hamitron> how software are you using to store the information?
[11:10] <hamitron> what*
[11:10] <oimon> diplo: yep, android will do it for you, then i am exporting into google books and tellico
[11:11] <hamitron> tellico is for music?
[11:11] <oimon> tellico is for collections
[11:11] <oimon> dvd, books, wine, etc
[11:11] <hamitron> kk
[11:12] <diplo> look ok under gnome/unity oimon ?
[11:13] <oimon> not too bad, better than some apps. alexandria is prob better but doesn't handle dvd collections
[11:15] <diplo> Just installed, going to give it a go :)
[11:15] <diplo> Really need to get my android phone sooner rather than later :/
[11:16] <oimon> the app i used on android is called shelves
[11:16] <oimon> it can export to google books , csv, etc
[11:17] <diplo> Cool, imports as well from alexandria
[11:18] <oimon> i may end up using alexandria
[11:19] <oimon> just wish there was an option for "go and find cover art" and detect dupplicates
[11:27] <diplo> on alexandria ?
[11:27] <hamitron> I was hoping I could maybe scan the bar code of a cd, then rip it to mp3
[11:27] <hamitron> :)
[11:31] <oimon> :P
[11:32] <gord> i use backloggery.com to keep track of my video game collection - would be nice to scan things in though instead of manually doing it
[11:33] <gord> http://backloggery.com/gordallott - 213 =\ and i don't put my steam games on there...
[11:35] <oimon> tellico also does games
[11:35] <oimon> video + board games
[11:44]  * oimon thinks gord has a lot of consoles...
[11:44] <diplo> So oimon you use android to put on google books, not tellico
[11:45] <gord> yup :)
[11:45] <diplo> nice if you could export from tellico
[11:45] <oimon> diplo: here's the process (1) use shelves app to collect the data via barcode reader (2) export list of ISBNs from shelves app (3) import into alexandria/google books/tellico and the app searches and gathers cover art
[11:45] <oimon> and other data
[11:46] <oimon> it's also possible just to use the barcode reader app to gather raw barcodes
[11:46] <diplo> yeah, need android phone :) wanted one for over a year now but money is not permitting :(
[11:46] <diplo> Defo going to give it a go though
[11:46] <oimon> what's yr budget?
[11:46] <oimon> my android phone costs me £15 pm for 24m contract
[11:47] <diplo> fook all at the mo, wife left me a few months ago and just watching moolah atm
[11:47] <oimon> :(
[11:47] <diplo> Yep
[11:47] <oimon> (hug)
[11:47] <oimon> (man hug)
[11:47] <diplo> Taken on a house that we could barely afford and running it all on my own
[11:47] <diplo> heh ta
[11:47] <diplo> Actually doing better this month than I though
[11:47] <diplo> +t
[11:47] <oimon> i think you can use a webcam to gather barcodes
[11:47] <oimon> but autofocus is a big bonus
[11:47] <diplo> But decided it's probably best not to tie myself into a 24mnth contract
[11:48] <oimon> sounds wise
[11:48] <diplo> that's an idea, I've actually done 90% of my books already
[11:48] <diplo> might try that with my dvd's
[11:49] <oimon> i have considerably less dvd than books
[11:49] <diplo> I've probably got it the other way round
[11:50] <diplo> Only last 3-4 years I've got back into, or actually *into* reading
[11:50] <diplo> But I now power through a book every few days/week
[11:50] <oimon> i'm the opposite..my books reading slowed down in last few years
[11:50] <oimon> i've even cancelled my sub to linux magazine
[11:54] <diplo> heh, Linux Format is my bog reading material, can't cancel that yet
[11:54] <diplo> :P
[11:55] <hamitron> heh
[11:56] <hamitron> I used to love linux format, but it just seemed to cover the same beginners material all the time
[11:56] <hamitron> and the different subjects I was interested in were never in the detail I'd like
[11:56] <hamitron> so I cancelled it and set the money saved aside for books
[11:56] <hamitron> :)
[11:57] <X3N> popey: done (re: delegated)
[11:57] <X3N> glad that's fixed now
[11:57] <oimon> linux magazine is better IMHO
[11:59] <diplo> yeah I like them both, but couldn't really afford subs for both
[11:59] <diplo> I occasionally buy Linux Magazine
[11:59] <X3N> Anyone know where the settings for gconf keys /system/networking are stored on file ?
[12:02] <X3N> nm got it
[12:02] <popey> nice one X3N
[12:06] <gord> X3N, don't modify the files, i don't know if thats what you are thinking of doing, but don't ;)
[12:09] <X3N> I'm not, just want to view them
[12:32] <ntelford> I want to force applications to not use the mscorett of Freefont fonts at all, instead using equivilents from Liberation and DejaVu - is there a way to do this without removing the packages?
[12:32] <ntelford> if I remove the packages, apt complains about dependency resolution
[12:34] <BigRedS> because packages rely on having those fonts?
[12:42] <oimon> ntelford: can you paste the error into pastebin?
[12:43] <oimon> although system-preferences-appearance-fonts should allow you to choose fonts
[12:45] <ntelford> oimon, I want to override the fonts in Chrome/Firefox because the mscorett fonts look god awful
[12:45] <ntelford> but I think I have a better solution
[12:51] <X3N> ntelford: is there not an option in about:config
[12:52] <X3N> I think you can blacklist a particular font
[13:09] <oimon> why is it that even though my lunch today is exactly the same size as the evening meal i had last night, but when i have it for lunch, i need to eat crisps afterwards too ?
[13:11] <X3N> because the amount of time expending energy after lunch is greater than that after dinner?
[13:11] <popey> dinner dinner dinner dinner dinner dinner dinner dinner dinner
[13:11] <popey>  ____    _  _____ __  __    _    _   _ _
[13:11] <popey> | __ )  / \|_   _|  \/  |  / \  | \ | | |
[13:11] <popey> |  _ \ / _ \ | | | |\/| | / _ \ |  \| | |
[13:11] <popey> | |_) / ___ \| | | |  | |/ ___ \| |\  |_|
[13:11] <popey> |____/_/   \_\_| |_|  |_/_/   \_\_| \_(_)
[13:12] <popey>                                          
[13:12] <oimon> fail
[13:12] <Azelphur> popey: batman?
[13:12] <oimon> i think it's cos i have conditioned myself to eat crisps at 1pm every day whatever happens
[13:12] <oimon> for the last 30 years
[13:12] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/610058/
[13:12] <popey> not fail :)
[13:12] <Azelphur> lol
[13:12] <gord> i get the same here :)
[13:13] <gord> oimon, fail ;)
[13:13] <popey> :)
[13:13] <oimon> oh...pidgin fail?
[13:13]  * oimon tucks into another easter egg...last one :(
[13:13] <Azelphur> popey: I was rank #31 on my pool last night, 950mhash :)
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> F1 fans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KfLyTSuD_s
[13:15] <popey> yay
[13:15] <popey> Azelphur: have you got millions of BTC now then :)
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> 21 million, probaly
[13:15] <Azelphur> popey: I'm up to 15.60 atm
[13:15]  * MartijnVdS has 0.02
[13:15] <popey> heh
[13:15] <Azelphur> :p
[13:15] <oimon> 2nd attempt to install freenx server on scientific linux :(
[13:17] <oimon> it used to be that admins use redhat cos it's easy..now not so easy when you only have ancient packages and other weirdness
[13:17] <popey> we use redhat because it's the only supported platform :(
[13:18] <popey> well, other than SUSE, but who uses _that_ who isn't German
[13:18] <oimon> yaeh
[13:18] <oimon> i am tending to use ubuntu server for the stuff that needs to be current, or updated
[13:18] <oimon> e.g. web stufff/drupal
[13:19] <daubers> popey: The BBC uses SUSE :)
[13:19] <popey> hah
[13:19] <popey> yeah, Siemens, German.
[13:19] <oimon> i see suse are retreating to nuremburg
[13:21] <oimon> i wonder how many people go to #ubuntu with questions and give up, not knowing that all the friendly people are in here :)
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> Friendly? Us? :)
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> This is the Ukraine channel, right?
[13:23] <popey> YOU ALL SUCK
[13:23] <popey> (at being unfriendly)
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[13:24] <jpds> MartijnVdS: что?
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> jpds: Так, дійсно.
[13:25] <oimon> http://ubuntuone.com/p/uIQ/
[13:25] <oimon> ^^ very unhelpful error !
[13:25] <oimon> which one is the X setting, and which is the gnome setting
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> oimon: yes!
[13:26] <oimon> they need a "i'm feelng lucky" button
[13:27] <oimon> i chose X...seems it was the right thing
[13:30] <oimon> the stuff you find on ubuntuone roulette can be fascinating..is this a jackalope? http://ubuntuone.com/p/aIA/
[13:31] <popey> yeah
[13:31] <popey> i had that as my background at one point
[13:32]  * oimon wonders if popey is the gatekeeper of the internet ...nothing seems to get past him
[13:36] <popey> None shall pass!
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> Gatekeepers.. aren't those H.323 stuff?
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> internet telephony "the old way"
[13:39]  * bigcalm awakens from lunch
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: just in time for tea! :)
[13:40] <bigcalm> Oh, yes please. Skimmed milk, no sugar :)
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> I only have water with leaves. No milk, no sugar.
[13:54]  * daubers really wants to try proper macha
[13:55] <oimon> macha pacha?
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> machu picchu?
[13:55] <oimon> fu man chu?
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> ubuntu one?
[13:55] <oimon> macka packa
[13:56] <selinuxium> Ever felt like you joined the conversation at the wrong point....  :D
[13:56] <oimon> :D
[13:58] <oimon> i disable leave/join notifications :P
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> so do I
[14:00] <oimon> and those annoying ones from freenode
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> *shudder*
[14:09] <daubers> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matcha
[14:21] <oimon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makka_Pakka
[14:24] <oimon> iggle piggle looks like that lembit opik fella: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12MEYp7IzAU
[14:30] <bigcalm> popey: that android tablet that hasn't been built yet has had its specs updated: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/610083/
[14:31] <popey> which tablet?
[14:31] <bigcalm> The one I ordered
[14:31] <popey> you ordered one and it hasnt even been made yet?
[14:31] <bigcalm> Sorry, there is another tablet worth talking about? :P
[14:31] <bigcalm> Heh, looks like it
[14:32] <bigcalm> I pre-ordered the 1st production run
[14:32] <bigcalm> Updated shipping dates are now 3rd - 16th June
[14:32] <popey> o_O
[14:32] <oimon> the screen has changed since i last saw it:  800 x 480
[14:33] <bigcalm> Erm, 3rd to 17th June
[14:33] <popey> hah
[14:33] <popey> low res-o-vision
[14:33] <bigcalm> Yup
[14:33] <bigcalm> But in a 7" screen
[14:34] <bigcalm> My eeepc has a 10" screen and does 800x
[14:34] <oimon> i guess the deal breaker is the battery
[14:34] <oimon> how long it lasts
[14:34] <bigcalm> We shall see...
[14:35] <bigcalm> But what would you expect for 89quid +p&p?
[14:35] <popey> heh
[14:35] <popey> ponies
[14:35] <popey> and unicorns
[14:35] <popey> eek!
[14:35] <popey> its an aquarius
[14:35] <oimon> hmm was hoping this would be cheaper http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004TB0EMK/ref=asc_df_B004TB0EMK2914569?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B004TB0EMK
[14:35] <bigcalm> One has just turned up for you ;)
[14:35] <aquarius> popey, it is indeed
[14:36] <bigcalm> aquarius: arse news, sorry man. In other news, how's the standing up going?
[14:36] <aquarius> bigcalm, feet hurt. Other than that, not too bad :)
[14:37] <oimon> nice...switch to PC mode with Qwerty keyboard and 16 hours added battery life
[14:37] <oimon> i hope canonical are getting their arm builds ready for this eee transformer thingy
[14:37] <bigcalm> You save: £0.01
[14:38] <oimon> lol..actually i want http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-Transformer-Android-docking-keyboard/dp/tech-data/B004TB0EXY/ref=de_a_smtd
[14:47] <popey> oimon: i spy a google tag on that amazon link
[14:47] <popey> interesting, wonder how much google make from amazon referals
[14:48] <MartijnVdS> $a_lot
[14:48] <MartijnVdS> approximately
[14:49] <oimon> $a_lot * loads
[14:49] <oimon> popey: do you make much from referral tags?
[14:49] <oimon> i see you post them a lot ;)
[14:49] <popey> i dont post them a lot
[14:50] <oimon> a lot being once i noticed it, hence the winky ;)
[14:50] <oimon> i've never looked into it
[14:50] <oimon> but i had to set it up the other day to get my amazon api key
[14:51] <popey> no, I dont get much from it
[14:51] <popey> used to get a lot of google adsense revenue when I had a site that had lots of keywords on it
[14:51] <oimon> hmm
[15:08] <dwatkins> I was just looking up the EeePad Transformer elsewhere.
[15:08] <dwatkins> I'm interested to see what it is like: http://www.asuseeepad.net/eee-pad-transformer.php
[15:10] <oimon> dwatkins: i want one, but i made the mistake with eee 701...hopefully these things will be more advanced by the time my laptop finally dies
[15:11] <oimon> but it certainly looks like something i'd want :)
[15:12] <dwatkins> oimon: I was lucky in that not long after the 701 came out, a family member wanted a tiny laptop to take abroad, so I was able to get a 901 with the proceeds.
[15:12] <oimon> :)
[15:12] <dwatkins> Now I wish I'd waited and got a 1005HA, though - they're actually properly useable.
[15:12] <dwatkins> The 901 is a little slow - so it's now my media / file server.
[15:12] <oimon> wow...must get hot
[15:13] <dwatkins> I don't play media with it, that's up to the PS3 or my Mac. It just serves out files via NFS, sshfs or fuppes.
[15:13] <oimon> ok..like my nslu2
[15:14] <oimon> soon to be replaced with a raspberry pi if they appear
[15:15] <BigRedS> dwatkins: there are open-wrtable routers that'll do that
[15:15] <BigRedS> mount a ums device and nfs it
[15:18] <dwatkins> BigRedS: you mean things like the Kuro box?
[15:18] <dwatkins> (I may not have written that correctly)
[15:19] <dwatkins> wow, they're expensive
[15:23] <BigRedS> dwatkins: not sure. ~£40, is basically a router with a usb socket
[15:24] <BigRedS> I can't remember the other details, but they were on an open-wrt community of some sort
[15:25] <oimon> e.g. Netgear WRT54GL
[15:25] <oimon> ? although not sure if they have usb?
[15:26] <dwatkins> ooh neat
[15:26] <dwatkins> didn't expect them to be that cheapo
[15:26] <dwatkins> cheap, I mean - I wasn't trying to sound pseudo-spanish
[15:28] <oimon> umm the wrt54gl doesn't allow usb storage
[15:51] <oimon> ugh my experience of irc rooms (present company excepted) is less than poor most of the time :(
[15:56] <DJones> Are you sitting in #defocus?
[15:57] <dogmatic69>  /whois <user> :)
[15:58] <DJones> dogmatic69: That wouldn't always work depending on their user flags, you can block people finding out what channels you're in unless you're both in the same channel
[15:59] <dogmatic69> oh rly
[15:59] <bigcalm> rly
[15:59] <popey> YA RLY!
[15:59] <dogmatic69> dont mind me then :P
[16:00] <DJones> dogmatic69: Just checked up, usermode +i and its enabled by default
[16:00] <dogmatic69> i see
[16:01] <nucc1> is there an ubuntu-uk channel for like off-topic chatter?
[16:01] <oimon> it's called ubuntu-uk isn't it?
[16:01] <oimon> :)
[16:01] <nucc1> so off-topic talk is permitted huh?
[16:02] <davmor2> oimon: no we always talk ubuntu here?
[16:02] <oimon> !ops
[16:02] <popey> er
[16:02] <nucc1> oh well, i just curious about Hutchinson 3G's policy to start charging for SMS delivery reports
[16:02] <popey> why?
[16:02] <popey> please don't abuse ops
[16:03] <oimon> popey: doesn't that just tell me who the ops are?
[16:03] <popey> no, it highlights them all
[16:03] <DJones> nucc1: As long as its coc safe, its normally fine, although if it goes a long way off topic and somebody wants support we just ask for the offtopic chat to pause for a bit
[16:03] <BigRedS> oimon: and print their names to screen...
[16:03] <davmor2> oimon: it pings them all normally to say there is an issue
[16:03] <oimon> woops sorry :P
[16:03] <DJones> oimon: It normally causes the ops to look at the channel & kick/ban the trouble maker :)
[16:03] <dwatkins> hence the word 'Help!' which in this case I'm guessing you don't need, oimon ;)
[16:04] <oimon> unfortunately it's only after typing the command that you find out...
[16:06] <oimon> nucc1: btw who are hutchinson?
[16:06] <nucc1> 3
[16:06] <nucc1> Three
[16:07] <oimon> ah..i also wonder how long before they change their mind on "use all you want data "
[16:08] <nucc1> oimon, that will probably stay. they're the most liberal network with their data plans
[16:08] <DJones> nucc1: I can see where they're coming from, effectively it doubles the amount of text messages sent, but I'd just expect it to count towards your limit anyway
[16:08] <kaushal> Hi
[16:09] <oimon> nucc1: for now, but once the customers come then they will change policy, i'm sure
[16:09] <kaushal> I have a torrent file to download on the remote server. Do i need to have a torrent application on the server or wget would suffice ?
[16:09] <nucc1> DJones, yea, that would have been preferable perhaps
[16:09] <czajkowski> Aloha
[16:10] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[16:10] <czajkowski> meh
[16:10]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2 
[16:11] <diplo> kaushal, wget will be able to grab the file but not download the torrent files themselves
[16:11] <kaushal> diplo: ok
[16:11] <diplo> rtorrent is a cli based torrent client i think
[16:11] <kaushal> ok
[16:11] <diplo> !info rtorrrent
[16:11] <diplo> Nope, don't know te command
[16:11] <popey> yes
[16:11] <diplo> oops i did
[16:11] <popey> you mistyped
[16:11] <diplo> !info rtorrent
[16:11] <diplo> :D
[16:12] <diplo> just noticed extra R :)
[16:13] <dwatkins> or download it yourself and scp it, kaushal
[16:14] <diplo> Depends on size I guess
[16:14] <oimon> dwatkins: you use freenx don't you?
[16:14] <diplo> Don't want to double bandwith
[16:14] <dwatkins> oimon: yeah
[16:15] <kaushal> popey: rtorrent file.torrent ?
[16:15] <oimon> do u know if it's possible to use user based private key auth with freenx?
[16:15] <dwatkins> diplo: I meant just the .torrent file could be copied via scp from your machine to the remote server on which you're running rtorrent
[16:15] <dwatkins> oimon: you can replace the keys used, yeah - there's an article on the ubuntu forums about it
[16:15] <oimon> the default setup is to use a private key belonging to nx user, however all users get the same key.
[16:15] <diplo> :) dwatkins
[16:17] <popey> kaushal: hmm?
[16:17] <BigRedS> how do I tell if I have unity 2d or 3d?
[16:18] <BigRedS> I seem to not be using any fancy 3d features, but I'm really not used to looking out for those in a window manager
[16:18] <davmor2> BigRedS: did you install 2d?
[16:18] <BigRedS> not manually
[16:18] <oimon> dwatkins: i'd be grateful if you could provide a link if poss, i've been googling but most result are realted to the nx user key
[16:18] <BigRedS> I just did a dist-upgrade and logged in
[16:18] <davmor2> BigRedS: then you either have gnome classic or unity
[16:18] <davmor2> 3d
[16:19] <popey> 2d wont have drop shadows will it?
[16:21] <BigRedS> ah, this isn't gnome classic
[16:21] <BigRedS> cool
[16:22] <BigRedS> from somewhere I got the idea that 2d came with 3d and it just picked the most appropriate one
[16:22] <davmor2> BigRedS: if it has a launcher down the left and a panel along the top it's unity 3d
[16:22] <dwatkins> oimon: here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX and here:  http://www.nomachine.com/ar/view.php?ar_id=AR01C00126 - I think
[16:22] <BigRedS> davmor2: yeah, it does
[16:22] <oimon> dwatkins: marvellous..thankyou.
[16:23] <dwatkins> welcome oimon
[16:23] <oimon> ubuntu-uk wins again as the irc room that gets the questions answered...lately had questions in #kde #nx and many others gone unnoticed
[16:24] <oimon> dwatkins: ah those are custom ssh keys for still for the nx user
[16:25] <dwatkins> hmmm
[16:26] <dwatkins> not for individual users? I wondered if there might be a mention on there about it, sorry - can't really check right now
[16:29] <oimon> no probs
[16:30]  * dwatkins should be heading home right now but has far too much to do
[16:32] <andylockran> howdy
[16:32] <andylockran> how's things with you guys?
[16:41] <dwatkins> peachy, thanks - how's andylockran?
[16:49] <oimon> mmm kde 3.5
[16:50] <exobuzz> i had tsclient and vinagre installed on my natty install. i can only assume they get put on by default. but why not remmina ? im sure i read it was going to switch to that
[16:51] <exobuzz> with all the package switches happening, seems strange that this obvious one hasnt been dealt with
[16:51]  * popey waves his hands in the air like he just doens't care
[16:51] <popey> \:)?
[16:51] <popey> bah
[16:51] <popey> fail
[16:51] <popey> ☺
[16:51] <czajkowski> FAIL!
[16:51] <paultag> FAIL!
[16:51]  * popey hides
[16:51] <oimon> i use tsclient..when i looked at vinagre it was lame
[16:52] <popey> ☹
[16:52] <exobuzz> oimon, yes and natty seemed to install both ? im referring to replacing both with remmina
[16:52] <czajkowski> yay
[16:52] <oimon> exobuzz: just installed it...looks OK
[16:52] <oimon> ^^ remmina
[16:52] <exobuzz> yeh it's way better than the others
[16:53] <oimon> vinagre was half baked and then left outside for the birds
[16:53] <davmor2> popey: Word up, it's the code word......
[16:54] <popey> ALERT ALERT! 80's ALERT!
[16:55] <davmor2> popey: you started it with your waving of hands :P
[16:55] <oimon> cameo...bad hair
[16:55] <oimon> 80s was bad then and it's bad now
[16:55] <exobuzz> has anyone here had a go on the latest xubuntu/xfce ? i watched a screencast and it looked pretty decent
[16:55] <oimon> the "new 80s"
[16:55] <exobuzz> and i see now it has a vfs layer which is nice
[16:55]  * popey is happy that there are no photos of me from the 80's anywhere online
[16:55] <davmor2> oimon: wash your mouth out with soapy water
[16:55] <oimon> exobuzz: why have they done a complete overhaul of teh UI? ;)
[16:56] <davmor2> popey: I'm betting FB of you class photos
[16:56] <exobuzz> oimon, no. its always been pretty tidy etc, but was missing some stuff before for me like gnomevfs etc
[16:56] <oimon> btw has remmina improved since lucid? seems nice here
[16:57] <exobuzz> its improved a lot
[16:57] <exobuzz> its pretty new
[16:57] <exobuzz> the 0.8 series brought some big changes
[16:58]  * oimon tries the ppa
[17:00] <davmor2> exobuzz: must be good it has an 8 an 0 and a .  it's only missing the s to make it perfect
[17:00] <oimon> oooo 0.9.3
[17:00] <exobuzz> davmor2, that went over my head :
[17:00] <exobuzz> :) even
[17:02] <davmor2> exobuzz: just keep the 80's. theme alive :D
[17:02] <exobuzz> there is an 80s theme ?
[17:02] <popey> Yes, its the Knight Rider theme
[17:02] <davmor2> yeap popey started it
[17:02] <exobuzz> irc channel 80s theme ?
[17:03] <exobuzz> speaking of knight rider, my mum brought over some old stuff the other day. included my knight rider album with the hoff
[17:03] <exobuzz> http://digilander.libero.it/davidhasselhoff/foto/covers/covers_1984/images/1984_TheKnightRiderAlbumByChipLovitt_US.jpg
[17:03] <exobuzz> that one
[17:04] <exobuzz> knight rider. c64 styleee http://modstream.exotica.org.uk/modstream/?md5=7215d1d4b2df4722de6f472e82c36121&db=hvsc&sg=1
[17:38] <ali1234> !info bamf
[17:39] <ali1234> hmm
[17:45] <popey> bamfdaemon
[17:45] <popey> !info bamfdaemon
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> sounds like something from a Batman comic
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> BAMF!
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> KAPOW!
[17:45] <popey> Holy window decorations Batman!
[17:46] <X3N> hum
[17:46] <brobostigon> lol
[17:46] <X3N> popey: delegated still means I have to approve everyone joining the lp team :/
[17:47] <X3N> it only means that the sub teams can be open
[17:47] <X3N> oh wait
[17:47] <popey> ah
[17:47] <popey> can you make it open then
[17:47] <popey> sorry, i misunderstood
[17:47] <X3N> I wonder if the parent team is now delegated
[17:47] <popey> it is
[17:48] <popey> locoteams-approved is delegated
[17:48] <X3N> cool, in that case we can go back to being open
[17:52] <Myrtti> aw, I thought I was needed and wanted :-(
[17:52] <Myrtti> boo hilights
[17:58] <exobuzz> sudo apt-get install ack-grep - just a recommendation to a tool I use almost daily.. http://betterthangrep.com/ :)
[18:04] <AlanBell> X3N: yeah, open is good
[18:15] <Myrtti> meh, had to reschedule my flights back to Finland from UK :-(
[18:15] <Myrtti> get barely 14 hours of time on British soil after landing to Heathrow before heading back to Finland
[18:15] <Myrtti> this makes me a sad puppy
[18:16] <brobostigon> :(
[18:57] <AlanBell> Myrtti: so what are you packing in to that brief window?
[18:58] <Myrtti> AlanBell: trip to Heathrow to fly to SFO, and back
[18:58] <Myrtti> or the 14 hours?
[18:58] <AlanBell> the 14 hours
[18:58] <Myrtti> Indian takeaway.
[18:58] <AlanBell> yay
[19:00] <AlanBell> is that overnight at one of the heathrow hotels or something?
[19:01] <Myrtti> overnight in the Fens before heading to Stansted to fly Ryanscare
[19:02] <AlanBell> Ryanair to SFO O_o didn't know they did that
[19:03] <Myrtti> they don't
[19:04] <Myrtti> hence the Ryanair to STN, overnight in Fens, drive to LHR - drive from LHR, overnight in Fens, Ryanair from STN
[19:04] <Myrtti> my life rocks... not.
[19:05] <davmor2> Myrtti: seeing the country one airport at a time :(
[19:06] <daubers> evening
[19:18] <Azelphur> anyone know how to get remote desktop working with virtualbox? I enabled remote desktop in the vm's settings, set it to null auth, trying to connect to it with terminal server client and getting no connection :(
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: what kind of remote desktop protocol are you using?
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: have you tried using "vinagre" (vnc client)
[19:19] <Azelphur> RDP
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> Most open-source tools use VNC, where Windows uses RDP
[19:19] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: VirtualBox does RDP? I saw no mention of VNC for VirtualBox
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: try it :)
[19:20]  * MartijnVdS shaved a yak. Once the paint dries.
[19:21] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: nope, connection refused :(
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: :( Are  you connecting to the right machine? Usually you have to connect to the _host_
[19:22] <Azelphur> yes, I'm connecting to the host
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: is it one process? Check what port it's listening on using netstat and/or lsof
[19:24] <Azelphur> lol, I'll try #vbox quickly and see if they know what I did wrong
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: nothing wrong with those tools.. and port can tell a lot :)
[19:27] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: something weird has to be up anyway, I've hit enable server and set the port, and that port isn't open
[19:27] <Azelphur> so not working right somehow :D
[19:28] <samuel_> evening all
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: maybe  you need to restart it?
[19:29] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: you can't modify settings while the vm is running, so it got restarted :)
[19:36] <AlanBell> iMalware http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13453497
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Ubuntu is just as vulnerable, I think?
[19:40] <shauno> the permissions setup is almost identical, so I don't see why not
[19:40] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: depends the Ubuntu repos are pretty safe so you may only get issues if you install things from out side of that realm which is probably what has happened here
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> let's stop sending our OS version in the User-Agent, makes it at least a little harder to guess which one to show :)
[19:40] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: it is, yes
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: Sure, but how many people still download debs instead of using software-centre?
[19:41] <shauno> It's mostly "how many people will blindly do as they're told by a page that claims to be / appears to be authorative"
[19:41] <shauno> that's difficult to fix
[19:41] <AlanBell> the OMG!Ubuntu! problem
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: OMG!
[19:42] <mgdm> I hate that site purely based on the name
[19:42] <mgdm> I've no idea what the content's like
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: OMGWTFBBQBuntu
[19:42] <mgdm> (though I can guess)
[19:42] <mgdm> I prefer "OMGBBQFTW"
[19:42] <AlanBell> mgdm: that leads to the dark side
[19:42] <AlanBell> to the dark side that leads
[19:42] <shauno> for this to work, they have to download the program/zip/archive, accept the 'do you trust where this program came from' dialogue, then enter their sudo password
[19:43] <AlanBell> shauno: which people do
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> shauno: or just a deb, double click and enter a password (like for all debs)
[19:43] <shauno> if you can convince a user to do this, there's not much the OS can do about it
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> shauno: and they'll do it -- especially if they think it's "security software"
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> because computer security = scary
[19:43] <davmor2> AlanBell: you forgot the hmmm  you'll never sound like yoda without it
[19:43] <AlanBell> or it is in a PPA, therefore it must be good
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> Sure, we can write blacklist functionality into gdebi/apt.. but do we want that?
[19:44] <shauno> that's more difficult than it sounds.  that'd just turn into a race
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> It's going to be one anyway
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> (as long as humans use computers)
[19:45] <shauno> how many people can they catch before you match the filename/md5/crc/etc
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> shauno: a lot.
[19:45] <davmor2> When ubuntu gets firewalls and antivirus on the cd start to panic :D
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: then it's time to switch to BeOS
[19:46] <shauno> to be honest, there's not really much permissions do about things either these days
[19:46] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: minuetos written in assembly :D
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: Scary man
[19:47] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: try it, it is fun, floppy sized distro
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I've been thinking about learning some x86 asm myself.. have a spare machine I can try it on (from BIOS onwards)
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> though BIOS is becoming obsolete now with EFI
[19:48] <shauno> with only the permissions of my current user, a process can stick itself in your crontab, or your gnome-session.  have full access to all the files you actually care about on your machine, etc  (the OS is disposable.  my photos aren't).
[19:48] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: networking is likely to not work but hey who needs that on a secure box any way right :)
[19:49] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: still a fun os though
[19:49] <davmor2> lots a bling for something so small
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I remember DOS asm from way back
[19:50] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: haha
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> I need to persuade my dad to set up his old 8080 again
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> well
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> dual-Z80 I think it is
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> same difference
[19:53] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: http://ubuntuone.com/p/uO3/ in virtbox
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> whoa
[19:57] <shauno> http://www.returninfinity.com/baremetal.html  looks kinda interesting for a poke around with asm
[19:58] <shauno> doesn't do a whole lot, but it's small enough to be pretty readable
[20:00] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: http://ubuntuone.com/p/uOJ/ nice windows on it to I wonder how they got the title bar so transparent :D
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: that's not too hard
[20:01] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: in assembly?
[20:01] <davmor2> any way I'm off night all
[20:01] <jel> shauno, cool :)  Though AmigaOS was half that size, and did a whole heap more :D
[20:02] <shauno> half of 32k?
[20:03] <jel> half of the zip file size.  might well have had a tiny memory footprint
[20:04] <jel> I suppose it's apples-to-oranges, since that's source.
[20:04] <jel> and docs etc.
[20:04] <shauno> the VMs are a lot bigger than they need to be, because they've thrown qemu in there too
[20:10] <shauno> wow, no wonder that was sucking so badly.  the copy of qemu I have, only had the x86_64 emu built for ppc.
[20:12] <AlanBell> with the avahi dns thing that allows me to ping server.local does that work on Mac and Windows too?
[20:12] <shauno> it'll work with osx, don't believe it'll work with windows unless they've installed bonjour
[20:13] <shauno> (which most things that are quicktime based will do against your will these days, but is difficult to depend on)
[20:14] <shauno> but between avahi and osx's ms-dns, compatibility is high enough that I've never noticed the difference
[20:16] <shauno> hm, not ms-dns apparently.  can't find the name of the service now.  but that's not the important bit :)
[20:16] <AlanBell> ok, thanks
[20:18] <shauno> oddly, it works in windows for me, but only when I'm using my router as a dns server.  so I've no idea what black magic it's doing to translate
[20:18] <shauno> it's an apple router, so it's prone to doing strange things behind my back
[20:26]  * DJones wonders if Azelphur has broken IRC
[20:28] <Azelphur> gah, I really hate it when freenode does that
[20:30] <mgdm> does what?
[20:31] <Azelphur> mgdm: lets me join channels, something happens to interrupt my connection, then it repeatedly kicks me for excess flood when attempting to rejoin the channels
[20:32] <mgdm> your client is trying to rejoin too fast
[20:32] <Azelphur> mgdm: sort of, it sends JOIN like 30 times for every channel, plus a couple other commands required for connection, and boom I'm off :P
[20:33] <mgdm> your client is broken
[20:34] <Azelphur> mgdm: maybe :p
[20:50]  * awilkins wishes he had enabled ccache last night
[20:51] <awilkins> And tonight too....
[20:52] <exobuzz> anyone here with an xbox1 ?
[20:58] <shauno> marking a bug as a duplicate, what's the 'proper' way to decide which one gets marked?
[20:59] <shauno> (one is older, the other has more people subscribed and ticked 'affected'.  but neither really has more info than the other)
[21:00] <DJones> Is there a way of merging the two bugs?
[21:04] <gord> shauno, i tend to just keep the one that has activity alive, mark the other as the dupe
[21:05] <gord> no point in annoying people and making more work for people
[21:05] <shauno> that's what I just tried .. turned out it migrates the subscribers anyway, so wasn't as messy as I thought it'd be
[21:05] <danfish> awilkins: you got a moment for a quick PM?
[21:06] <AlanBell> shauno: generally oldest, unless there is clearly better information in the comments on the newer one
[21:06] <danfish> evening all btw
[21:09] <Guest18839> hi guys, i was trying to configure my computer with vga switcheroo, and its asking me to add a line to the rc.local as chown "username" /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch # change "username" with your user name....can any one give me the command if rmp is my username how should i replace it, with "rmp" or just rmp.....thanks
[21:17] <Azelphur> popey: http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/05/19/1410245/Apple-Causes-Religious-Reaction-In-Brains-of-Fans
[21:17]  * Azelphur runs
[21:23] <samuel_> i saw that on tv last night...awful bit of tech reporting as usual by the bbc
[21:25] <ali1234> i don't see why this is a big shock to anyone
[21:26] <exobuzz> i get excited like that about 1980s hardware rather than new stuff ;-)
[21:26] <exobuzz> vectrex. wooOOOooo.. high 5..
[21:26] <ali1234> i bet the same thing happens with football fans watching their favourite team
[21:27] <exobuzz> OT: http://www.xbmc4xbox.org/xbmc4xbox-3-0-1-stable-released - just because its taken more than a year and we finally managed it.. :)
[21:35] <shauno> just tells me the beeb have figured out the same thing as the rest of the tech sites.  if your story's too boring to stand up on it's own, just add apple
[21:37] <popey> exobuzz: oooo!
[21:38] <popey> I need to update my xbox!
[21:41] <samuel_> yup, as i said - awful technology reporting from the bbc - normal occurrance
[21:41] <samuel_> their description of the rise of microsoft had me shouting at the tv, i had to switch it over
[21:43] <danfish> popey: I read Jono's post re ubuntu power users. He's looking for a leader - fancy applying? ;)
[21:43] <popey> hahah
[21:43] <popey> funny man
[21:45]  * awilkins does the dance. Kernel bug fixed, maximum wootage!
[21:45] <DJones> May be of interest to somebody http://www.itworld.com/unified-communications/166637/5-skype-alternatives-linux-users
[21:46] <awilkins> One of the best features of Skype is it's firewall-hole-poking shenanigans. I met this chap at a U3 who seemed to understand how that worked (to the extent that he had a product that implemented it)
[21:47] <exobuzz> popey, please dont find too many bugs ;-)
[21:53] <exobuzz> samuel_, on that show, they credited the whole WIMP stuff to apple too, ok mac might have been first (only just) on the home machine but it was a xerox invention afaik. amigaos was better ;-)
[21:54] <exobuzz> but basically all the early gui systems were a take off of xeroxs work. it wasnt mac then the others.
[21:54] <samuel_> i know, if i had shoes on i would have thrown them at the screen
[21:54] <exobuzz> lol
[21:55] <samuel_> i know its the first thing they teach u in computer class
[21:56] <daubers> exobuzz: Someone at wored helped develop the Xerox gui stuff
[22:10] <danfish> yeah - fanless dual core atom MB has dispatched - for use in zoneminder box for lower leccie bills :)
[22:25] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Building The Kitchen Sink - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/05/19/building-the-kitchen-sink/
[22:25] <bigcalm> How do you find out the UUID of an external USB drive?
[22:28] <bigcalm> And what's the best drive format? It's currently formatted to vfat
[22:30] <bigcalm> And what's the best drive format? It's currently formatted to vfat
[22:30] <bigcalm> OOps :)
[22:30] <shauno> I tend to stick with vfat if it's going to be taken from machine to machine
[22:30] <bigcalm> Nope, it's staying put
[22:30] <shauno> I'd use the same fs I you use for the rest of the system then :)
[22:31] <bigcalm> So it doesn't matter that it's over USB?
[22:31] <shauno> vfat is still handy because it'll work on linux, windows, osx, with no troubles.  but that's it's sole selling point
[22:31] <shauno> (and why most drives will be preformatted like that)
[22:31] <bigcalm> Yup
[22:31] <bigcalm> Last usb drive I bought was formatted to ntfs though
[22:31] <bigcalm> Odd
[22:32] <shauno> I don't think using a real fs would be much slower
[22:32] <bigcalm> ext4 it is then...
[22:44]  * daubers wonders when his books will arrive
[22:45] <MartijnVdS> Nevar!
[22:45] <daubers> :(
[22:46] <danfish> bigcalm: sudo blkid
[22:46] <bigcalm> danfish: just the ticket, thank you :)
[22:46] <danfish> bigcalm: (from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab)
[22:52] <exobuzz> daubers, sorry late reply. at your work? cool. who are they ?
[22:52] <daubers> exobuzz: hmmm?
 exobuzz: Someone at wored helped develop the Xerox gui stuff
[22:53] <daubers> exobuzz: Oh! Chap called Mike Harland
[22:56] <filo1234> hi guys
[22:57] <daubers> exobuzz: He really doesn't like Stevey Jobs that much either
[22:58] <filo1234> is possible to set "ubuntu classic" from terminal? beacause I have a proble with unity in a remote desktop :|
[22:59] <filo1234> maybe update-alternatives or gconftool...something? I don't have idea where that setting is stred
[23:00] <filo1234> stored*
[23:02] <Azelphur> filo1234: what's the problem, compiz+remote desktop uglyness?
[23:02] <Azelphur> filo1234: you can't really set classic because in order to do it you'd need to get to gdm
[23:02] <filo1234> Azelphur: nope my desktop is empty
[23:03] <Azelphur> filo1234: what you could do however, is export DISPLAY=:0; metacity --replace; gnome-panel
[23:03] <Azelphur> with luck, that's more or less classic :P
[23:03] <filo1234> Azelphur: I try
[23:04] <filo1234> Azelphur: but is possible to set classic like default?
[23:04] <Azelphur> filo1234: yea, you just do it from the login screen
[23:04] <Azelphur> I don't think you can get to the login screen via VNC though
[23:04] <filo1234> Azelphur: eh well but I don't have acces at login screen
[23:04] <Azelphur> exactly
[23:04] <filo1234> I0m using vino
[23:04] <filo1234> uhm
[23:04] <Azelphur> will you ever have access to the login screen?
[23:05] <filo1234> ah you talking about configuration "login screen"
[23:05] <Azelphur> no, I'm talking about the actual login screen
[23:05] <Azelphur> but if you can set the option from there too, cool :D
[23:05] <filo1234> wait
[23:07] <filo1234> Azelphur: if i close session vino disconnect me :p
[23:07] <Azelphur> yep
[23:08] <Azelphur> that's what I said, that's why I gave you the metacity work around
[23:08] <Azelphur> :)
[23:09] <filo1234> Azelphur: I can launch gdmsetup
[23:09] <filo1234> :p
[23:09] <Azelphur> heh
[23:10] <filo1234> pfffff it's locked
[23:10] <filo1234> I cannot modify
[23:16] <filo1234> Azelphur: if I remove unity???
[23:16] <Myrtti> mjahmjah
[23:16] <Myrtti> checked in for the flight and printed my ticket
[23:17] <Myrtti> now I just have to hope I'll remember to pack, unpack and pack everything
[23:17] <Azelphur> filo1234: I told you what to do
[23:17] <Azelphur> did you try what I suggested?
[23:17] <filo1234> Azelphur: yes but all is crashed
[23:18] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[23:18] <filo1234> metacity doesn't start too
[23:18] <filo1234> :(
[23:19] <filo1234> Azelphur: at this point I can try to remove unity
[23:19] <filo1234> Azelphur: I hope that gnome save me :P
[23:23] <filo1234> Azelphur: well remote pc doesn't start again argh
[23:24] <filo1234> test terminated for now :|
[23:24] <Azelphur> :p
[23:27] <filo1234> Azelphur: so in another ( virtual ) machine I have unistalled unity and start good with gnome classic
[23:27] <Azelphur> why uninstall unity? you just select classic desktop from the box :/
[23:27] <filo1234> therefore this will my next step....when someone wake up and stroke power button
[23:27] <Azelphur> uninstalling unity uninstalls ubuntu-desktop which breaks your distribution upgrades
[23:27] <filo1234> Azelphur: yes but I don't have login screen
[23:28] <Azelphur> why not?
[23:28] <filo1234> on remote desktop I dont have login screen!
[23:28] <reaper4334> you can change the settings in the Login Screen menu in System Settings, and it still applies whether or not you use the actual login screen
[23:28] <filo1234> vino is ready after login
[23:28] <Azelphur> so go walk to the computer and press the button?
[23:28] <Azelphur> or do what reaper4334 said
[23:29] <filo1234> Azelphur: is at 1200 km at distance :p
[23:29] <filo1234> reaper4334: well
[23:29] <Azelphur> is this a server?
[23:29] <filo1234> nope is my brother's desktop
[23:29] <Azelphur> I see, get your brother to press the button then? :D
[23:29] <Azelphur> Brotherly love "Hey dude could you press the button for me"
[23:30] <filo1234> yes but now all sleeping
[23:30] <Azelphur> ok :p
[23:30] <filo1234> I'm in Italy
[23:30] <filo1234> :D
[23:30] <Azelphur> so yea, still the options me / reaper4334 gave you are the only ones :p
[23:31] <reaper4334> yeah, because like Azelphur said, if you uninstall Unity altogether your updates will be messed up
[23:32] <ali1234> there is no problem with removing ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[23:32] <filo1234> reaper4334: I aìhave just run gdmsettings by terminal but settings is locked
[23:32] <Azelphur> ali1234: it breaks distribution upgrades
[23:32] <filo1234> I don't know why
[23:32] <ali1234> no it doesn't
[23:32] <Azelphur> filo1234: press the unlock button
[23:32] <ali1234> not any worse than they are already broken anyway
[23:32] <Azelphur> lol
[23:33] <filo1234> Azelphur: -.- lol indeed i just unlock it but it shaped
[23:33] <Azelphur> ali1234: btw, my supercomputer arrives tomorrow :D
[23:33] <filo1234> Azelphur: and i have launched it with gksudo
[23:33] <ali1234> i was thinking about that
[23:46] <nigelb> AlanBell: ping, around?