[00:12] Blech, C enums provide no type safety [00:15] any multi boot experts? [00:16] im tryin to use ubuntu 10.10 grub2 to boot into other linux distros using chain-load [00:17] which are installed on a separte partition togther with their boot loader [00:18] when i try to boot into the other disto i get a kernel panic [00:20] the only thing i can see is on the grub.cfg file is that: the root=(hd0,msdos8) and the initrd (hdo,7)/boot/initrd.img [00:20] is this correct? [01:12] * awilkins is very very very very bored at the time it take to compile kernels [01:14] noooooooooo it's got the wrong version number [01:29] yaaaay now it has the right version number [01:30] * awilkins now undergoes a scary moment as he installs his new kernel and reboots [01:34] * awilkins notes that he is running a new kernel and his computer didn't explode [01:39] * awilkins notes that alas his patch did not fix things [01:39] Maybe I'm not running the new modules [01:39] Gah === locobot_2_2 is now known as locobot_2 [07:40] morning or is it too early? [07:47] lo all [08:05] Morning [08:07] Morning [08:15] morning! [08:22] * daubers starts the long arduous task of data analysis from 3 days worth of hardware testing [08:23] Morning [08:30] morning! [08:40] o/ [08:53] X3N: can you change the ubuntu-uk loco team to be delegated and not moderated? [08:53] or Daviey [08:59] AlanBell: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/19/dell-streak-pro-honeycomb-tablet-pictured-likely-to-be-with-us/ [08:59] thats a proper size phone ;) [09:03] Where are we? I've lost my place in this week :| [09:03] This is a proper sized phone... ;-) http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/retro-telephones/index.html [09:03] sold out? noooooooo! [09:03] I was saving up for one. [09:04] dwatkins: http://gsm-telecom.marktplaats.nl/vaste-telefoons-niet-draadloos/447319718-ptt-telefoon-type-t65-de-luxe-oranje-ericsson.html [09:04] long ago (10+ years) I had an idea to take a kids telephone and put the guts of a mobile phone in it [09:05] nice idea, popey - I'm considering buying an old classic dial phone and making it work with my BT line [09:05] "The Retro Phones are compatible with BT and other service providers which support pulse technology. The most notable provider which DOES NOT is Virgin Media as the Retro Phones are not DNA(Dual Networking Approved)." [09:05] heh [09:05] what would be awesome is making it into a SIP phone [09:05] bigcalm: My brother has a converter [09:06] I surprised that they aren't tone dial in the background [09:06] bigcalm: it takes pulses and converts them to tones :) [09:06] dwatkins: http://www.firebox.com/product/3311/Retro-Telephones [09:06] Ah, they are real old phones [09:06] http://www.oldphoneworks.com/rotatone-pulse-to-tone-converter.html [09:06] DJones: thanks [09:06] I'd been looking at that myself at the weekend [09:07] Although I was more interested in this http://www.firebox.com/product/3575/DTV-Shredder [09:08] Heh [09:08] I aw the link to the DTV shredder and wondered why you would want to shred a joystick with a built-in C64, DJones ;) [09:10] I like this track on last.fm "LFO - Freeze (Labradford remix)" but is has a constant high piched tone that rivals my tinitus :( [09:16] hello all [09:17] All says hello MooDoo [09:23] #ubuntu-uk has evolved into a hive mind [09:24] Resistance is futile [09:24] must acquire cake. [09:24] * DJones assimilates some chocolate Bourbon biscuits [09:28] http://images.darkhorse.com/darkhorse/index_images/blog/awesomeprofile.jpg [09:41] good morning everyone. [09:46] morning [09:46] morning MooDoo o/ [09:47] Damn it. iTunes has frozen again. I keep forgetting that I must not let a video run to the very end [09:47] Hi kids [09:47] yes [09:47] argh! [09:47] but hi [09:48] :) [09:48] * BigRedS restarts terminator [09:49] Ahhhh [09:49] Anyway, hi bigcalm [09:49] :) [09:49] Hi BigRedS [10:04] Good morning! [10:13] Good Morning! [10:16] Any people running Gnome with two monitors? I'm wondering if Gnome does this too? [10:16] bug 784761 [10:16] Launchpad bug 784761 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) ""identify outputs" doesn't identify outputs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/784761 [10:18] It doesn't identify outputs on 1 monitor for me [10:22] Yay, I may be entitled to £3,650 compensation for the accident I had according a text message, although I want more than £3,650 for the effects of the serious memory loss that mean I've forgotten about the accident [10:23] maybe its about that time you sat down where there wasn't a chair [10:23] thats pretty emotionally draining [10:26] Good thought, although I don't remember that one, /me adds another £10,000 onto the claim [10:26] bigcalm: ooh, not at all? [10:26] weird [10:28] so thats why my insurance has gone up 60% [10:28] or is it because they can't be bothered to do anything about those without any [10:55] q [10:55] bah. :( [11:00] morning all [11:01] * oimon spent last night scanning barcodes of his dvd's..now onto the book collection :) [11:03] what for? [11:07] catalogue them maybe? [11:08] sounds pretty cool, if that is why :) [11:09] hamitron: yep, also to share with people [11:10] and keep track of what i've read etc [11:10] i've always wanted to do it but never had a barcode reader before [11:10] i have many 100s of books [11:10] I use alexandria for that for books, using isbn codes [11:10] barcode does seem easier [11:10] how software are you using to store the information? [11:10] what* [11:10] diplo: yep, android will do it for you, then i am exporting into google books and tellico [11:11] tellico is for music? [11:11] tellico is for collections [11:11] dvd, books, wine, etc [11:11] kk [11:12] look ok under gnome/unity oimon ? [11:13] not too bad, better than some apps. alexandria is prob better but doesn't handle dvd collections [11:15] Just installed, going to give it a go :) [11:15] Really need to get my android phone sooner rather than later :/ [11:16] the app i used on android is called shelves [11:16] it can export to google books , csv, etc [11:17] Cool, imports as well from alexandria [11:18] i may end up using alexandria === denny- is now known as denny [11:19] just wish there was an option for "go and find cover art" and detect dupplicates [11:27] on alexandria ? [11:27] I was hoping I could maybe scan the bar code of a cd, then rip it to mp3 [11:27] :) [11:31] :P [11:32] i use backloggery.com to keep track of my video game collection - would be nice to scan things in though instead of manually doing it [11:33] http://backloggery.com/gordallott - 213 =\ and i don't put my steam games on there... [11:35] tellico also does games [11:35] video + board games [11:44] * oimon thinks gord has a lot of consoles... [11:44] So oimon you use android to put on google books, not tellico [11:45] yup :) [11:45] nice if you could export from tellico [11:45] diplo: here's the process (1) use shelves app to collect the data via barcode reader (2) export list of ISBNs from shelves app (3) import into alexandria/google books/tellico and the app searches and gathers cover art [11:45] and other data [11:46] it's also possible just to use the barcode reader app to gather raw barcodes [11:46] yeah, need android phone :) wanted one for over a year now but money is not permitting :( [11:46] Defo going to give it a go though [11:46] what's yr budget? [11:46] my android phone costs me £15 pm for 24m contract [11:47] fook all at the mo, wife left me a few months ago and just watching moolah atm [11:47] :( [11:47] Yep [11:47] (hug) [11:47] (man hug) [11:47] Taken on a house that we could barely afford and running it all on my own [11:47] heh ta [11:47] Actually doing better this month than I though [11:47] +t [11:47] i think you can use a webcam to gather barcodes [11:47] but autofocus is a big bonus [11:47] But decided it's probably best not to tie myself into a 24mnth contract [11:48] sounds wise [11:48] that's an idea, I've actually done 90% of my books already [11:48] might try that with my dvd's [11:49] i have considerably less dvd than books [11:49] I've probably got it the other way round [11:50] Only last 3-4 years I've got back into, or actually *into* reading [11:50] But I now power through a book every few days/week [11:50] i'm the opposite..my books reading slowed down in last few years [11:50] i've even cancelled my sub to linux magazine [11:54] heh, Linux Format is my bog reading material, can't cancel that yet [11:54] :P [11:55] heh [11:56] I used to love linux format, but it just seemed to cover the same beginners material all the time [11:56] and the different subjects I was interested in were never in the detail I'd like [11:56] so I cancelled it and set the money saved aside for books [11:56] :) [11:57] popey: done (re: delegated) [11:57] glad that's fixed now [11:57] linux magazine is better IMHO [11:59] yeah I like them both, but couldn't really afford subs for both [11:59] I occasionally buy Linux Magazine [11:59] Anyone know where the settings for gconf keys /system/networking are stored on file ? [12:02] nm got it [12:02] nice one X3N [12:06] X3N, don't modify the files, i don't know if thats what you are thinking of doing, but don't ;) [12:09] I'm not, just want to view them [12:32] I want to force applications to not use the mscorett of Freefont fonts at all, instead using equivilents from Liberation and DejaVu - is there a way to do this without removing the packages? [12:32] if I remove the packages, apt complains about dependency resolution [12:34] because packages rely on having those fonts? [12:42] ntelford: can you paste the error into pastebin? [12:43] although system-preferences-appearance-fonts should allow you to choose fonts [12:45] oimon, I want to override the fonts in Chrome/Firefox because the mscorett fonts look god awful [12:45] but I think I have a better solution [12:51] ntelford: is there not an option in about:config [12:52] I think you can blacklist a particular font [13:09] why is it that even though my lunch today is exactly the same size as the evening meal i had last night, but when i have it for lunch, i need to eat crisps afterwards too ? [13:11] because the amount of time expending energy after lunch is greater than that after dinner? [13:11] dinner dinner dinner dinner dinner dinner dinner dinner dinner [13:11] ____ _ _____ __ __ _ _ _ _ [13:11] | __ ) / \|_ _| \/ | / \ | \ | | | [13:11] | _ \ / _ \ | | | |\/| | / _ \ | \| | | [13:11] | |_) / ___ \| | | | | |/ ___ \| |\ |_| [13:11] |____/_/ \_\_| |_| |_/_/ \_\_| \_(_) [13:12] [13:12] fail [13:12] popey: batman? [13:12] i think it's cos i have conditioned myself to eat crisps at 1pm every day whatever happens [13:12] for the last 30 years [13:12] http://paste.ubuntu.com/610058/ [13:12] not fail :) [13:12] lol [13:12] i get the same here :) [13:13] oimon, fail ;) [13:13] :) [13:13] oh...pidgin fail? [13:13] * oimon tucks into another easter egg...last one :( [13:13] popey: I was rank #31 on my pool last night, 950mhash :) [13:14] F1 fans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KfLyTSuD_s [13:15] yay [13:15] Azelphur: have you got millions of BTC now then :) [13:15] 21 million, probaly [13:15] popey: I'm up to 15.60 atm [13:15] * MartijnVdS has 0.02 [13:15] heh [13:15] :p [13:15] 2nd attempt to install freenx server on scientific linux :( [13:17] it used to be that admins use redhat cos it's easy..now not so easy when you only have ancient packages and other weirdness [13:17] we use redhat because it's the only supported platform :( [13:18] well, other than SUSE, but who uses _that_ who isn't German [13:18] yaeh [13:18] i am tending to use ubuntu server for the stuff that needs to be current, or updated [13:18] e.g. web stufff/drupal [13:19] popey: The BBC uses SUSE :) [13:19] hah [13:19] yeah, Siemens, German. [13:19] i see suse are retreating to nuremburg [13:21] i wonder how many people go to #ubuntu with questions and give up, not knowing that all the friendly people are in here :) [13:22] Friendly? Us? :) [13:23] This is the Ukraine channel, right? [13:23] YOU ALL SUCK [13:23] (at being unfriendly) [13:23] \o/ [13:24] MartijnVdS: что? [13:24] jpds: Так, дійсно. [13:25] http://ubuntuone.com/p/uIQ/ [13:25] ^^ very unhelpful error ! [13:25] which one is the X setting, and which is the gnome setting [13:25] oimon: yes! [13:26] they need a "i'm feelng lucky" button [13:27] i chose X...seems it was the right thing [13:30] the stuff you find on ubuntuone roulette can be fascinating..is this a jackalope? http://ubuntuone.com/p/aIA/ [13:31] yeah [13:31] i had that as my background at one point [13:32] * oimon wonders if popey is the gatekeeper of the internet ...nothing seems to get past him [13:36] None shall pass! [13:36] Gatekeepers.. aren't those H.323 stuff? [13:36] internet telephony "the old way" [13:39] * bigcalm awakens from lunch [13:40] bigcalm: just in time for tea! :) [13:40] Oh, yes please. Skimmed milk, no sugar :) [13:40] I only have water with leaves. No milk, no sugar. [13:54] * daubers really wants to try proper macha [13:55] macha pacha? [13:55] machu picchu? [13:55] fu man chu? [13:55] ubuntu one? [13:55] macka packa [13:56] Ever felt like you joined the conversation at the wrong point.... :D [13:56] :D [13:58] i disable leave/join notifications :P [13:58] so do I [14:00] and those annoying ones from freenode [14:00] *shudder* [14:09] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matcha [14:21] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makka_Pakka [14:24] iggle piggle looks like that lembit opik fella: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12MEYp7IzAU [14:30] popey: that android tablet that hasn't been built yet has had its specs updated: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/610083/ === fenrir-- is now known as fen [14:31] which tablet? [14:31] The one I ordered [14:31] you ordered one and it hasnt even been made yet? [14:31] Sorry, there is another tablet worth talking about? :P [14:31] Heh, looks like it [14:32] I pre-ordered the 1st production run [14:32] Updated shipping dates are now 3rd - 16th June [14:32] o_O [14:32] the screen has changed since i last saw it: 800 x 480 [14:33] Erm, 3rd to 17th June [14:33] hah [14:33] low res-o-vision [14:33] Yup [14:33] But in a 7" screen [14:34] My eeepc has a 10" screen and does 800x [14:34] i guess the deal breaker is the battery [14:34] how long it lasts [14:34] We shall see... [14:35] But what would you expect for 89quid +p&p? [14:35] heh [14:35] ponies [14:35] and unicorns [14:35] eek! [14:35] its an aquarius [14:35] hmm was hoping this would be cheaper http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004TB0EMK/ref=asc_df_B004TB0EMK2914569?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B004TB0EMK [14:35] One has just turned up for you ;) [14:35] popey, it is indeed [14:36] aquarius: arse news, sorry man. In other news, how's the standing up going? [14:36] bigcalm, feet hurt. Other than that, not too bad :) [14:37] nice...switch to PC mode with Qwerty keyboard and 16 hours added battery life [14:37] i hope canonical are getting their arm builds ready for this eee transformer thingy [14:37] You save: £0.01 [14:38] lol..actually i want http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-Transformer-Android-docking-keyboard/dp/tech-data/B004TB0EXY/ref=de_a_smtd [14:47] oimon: i spy a google tag on that amazon link [14:47] interesting, wonder how much google make from amazon referals [14:48] $a_lot [14:48] approximately [14:49] $a_lot * loads [14:49] popey: do you make much from referral tags? [14:49] i see you post them a lot ;) [14:49] i dont post them a lot [14:50] a lot being once i noticed it, hence the winky ;) [14:50] i've never looked into it [14:50] but i had to set it up the other day to get my amazon api key [14:51] no, I dont get much from it [14:51] used to get a lot of google adsense revenue when I had a site that had lots of keywords on it [14:51] hmm [15:08] I was just looking up the EeePad Transformer elsewhere. [15:08] I'm interested to see what it is like: http://www.asuseeepad.net/eee-pad-transformer.php [15:10] dwatkins: i want one, but i made the mistake with eee 701...hopefully these things will be more advanced by the time my laptop finally dies [15:11] but it certainly looks like something i'd want :) [15:12] oimon: I was lucky in that not long after the 701 came out, a family member wanted a tiny laptop to take abroad, so I was able to get a 901 with the proceeds. [15:12] :) [15:12] Now I wish I'd waited and got a 1005HA, though - they're actually properly useable. [15:12] The 901 is a little slow - so it's now my media / file server. [15:12] wow...must get hot [15:13] I don't play media with it, that's up to the PS3 or my Mac. It just serves out files via NFS, sshfs or fuppes. [15:13] ok..like my nslu2 [15:14] soon to be replaced with a raspberry pi if they appear [15:15] dwatkins: there are open-wrtable routers that'll do that [15:15] mount a ums device and nfs it [15:18] BigRedS: you mean things like the Kuro box? [15:18] (I may not have written that correctly) [15:19] wow, they're expensive [15:23] dwatkins: not sure. ~£40, is basically a router with a usb socket [15:24] I can't remember the other details, but they were on an open-wrt community of some sort [15:25] e.g. Netgear WRT54GL [15:25] ? although not sure if they have usb? [15:26] ooh neat [15:26] didn't expect them to be that cheapo [15:26] cheap, I mean - I wasn't trying to sound pseudo-spanish [15:28] umm the wrt54gl doesn't allow usb storage [15:51] ugh my experience of irc rooms (present company excepted) is less than poor most of the time :( [15:56] Are you sitting in #defocus? [15:57] /whois :) [15:58] dogmatic69: That wouldn't always work depending on their user flags, you can block people finding out what channels you're in unless you're both in the same channel [15:59] oh rly [15:59] rly [15:59] YA RLY! [15:59] dont mind me then :P [16:00] dogmatic69: Just checked up, usermode +i and its enabled by default [16:00] i see [16:01] is there an ubuntu-uk channel for like off-topic chatter? [16:01] it's called ubuntu-uk isn't it? [16:01] :) [16:01] so off-topic talk is permitted huh? [16:02] oimon: no we always talk ubuntu here? [16:02] !ops [16:02] Help! dgjones, Myrtti, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild or X3N [16:02] er [16:02] oh well, i just curious about Hutchinson 3G's policy to start charging for SMS delivery reports [16:02] why? [16:02] please don't abuse ops [16:03] popey: doesn't that just tell me who the ops are? [16:03] no, it highlights them all [16:03] nucc1: As long as its coc safe, its normally fine, although if it goes a long way off topic and somebody wants support we just ask for the offtopic chat to pause for a bit [16:03] oimon: and print their names to screen... [16:03] oimon: it pings them all normally to say there is an issue [16:03] woops sorry :P [16:03] oimon: It normally causes the ops to look at the channel & kick/ban the trouble maker :) [16:03] hence the word 'Help!' which in this case I'm guessing you don't need, oimon ;) [16:04] unfortunately it's only after typing the command that you find out... [16:06] nucc1: btw who are hutchinson? [16:06] 3 [16:06] Three [16:07] ah..i also wonder how long before they change their mind on "use all you want data " [16:08] oimon, that will probably stay. they're the most liberal network with their data plans [16:08] nucc1: I can see where they're coming from, effectively it doubles the amount of text messages sent, but I'd just expect it to count towards your limit anyway [16:08] Hi [16:09] nucc1: for now, but once the customers come then they will change policy, i'm sure [16:09] I have a torrent file to download on the remote server. Do i need to have a torrent application on the server or wget would suffice ? [16:09] DJones, yea, that would have been preferable perhaps [16:09] Aloha [16:10] czajkowski: prod [16:10] meh [16:10] * czajkowski kicks davmor2 [16:11] kaushal, wget will be able to grab the file but not download the torrent files themselves [16:11] diplo: ok [16:11] rtorrent is a cli based torrent client i think [16:11] ok [16:11] !info rtorrrent [16:11] Package rtorrrent does not exist in natty [16:11] Nope, don't know te command [16:11] yes [16:11] oops i did [16:11] you mistyped [16:11] !info rtorrent [16:11] rtorrent (source: rtorrent): ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent from rakshasa. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8.6-1build1 (natty), package size 449 kB, installed size 1200 kB [16:11] :D [16:12] just noticed extra R :) [16:13] or download it yourself and scp it, kaushal [16:14] Depends on size I guess [16:14] dwatkins: you use freenx don't you? [16:14] Don't want to double bandwith [16:14] oimon: yeah [16:15] popey: rtorrent file.torrent ? [16:15] do u know if it's possible to use user based private key auth with freenx? [16:15] diplo: I meant just the .torrent file could be copied via scp from your machine to the remote server on which you're running rtorrent [16:15] oimon: you can replace the keys used, yeah - there's an article on the ubuntu forums about it [16:15] the default setup is to use a private key belonging to nx user, however all users get the same key. [16:15] :) dwatkins [16:17] kaushal: hmm? [16:17] how do I tell if I have unity 2d or 3d? [16:18] I seem to not be using any fancy 3d features, but I'm really not used to looking out for those in a window manager [16:18] BigRedS: did you install 2d? [16:18] not manually [16:18] dwatkins: i'd be grateful if you could provide a link if poss, i've been googling but most result are realted to the nx user key [16:18] I just did a dist-upgrade and logged in [16:18] BigRedS: then you either have gnome classic or unity [16:18] 3d [16:19] 2d wont have drop shadows will it? [16:21] ah, this isn't gnome classic [16:21]