[02:12] <grantbow> Ubuntu Hour in SF!
[02:13] <rww> oh damn, i completely forgot about that
[02:13] <rww> pleia2: I'm not going to SF today! >.> >.>
[02:13] <pleia2> doh :)
[02:17] <broder> oh, huh
[02:17] <broder> unfortunately i'm still stuck on the peninsula
[02:17] <pleia2> there is one in mt view tomorrow
[02:18] <broder> yes, but i'm heading back to sf early tomorrow :-P
[02:18] <pleia2> ah :)
[02:18] <broder> i just haven't managed to escape work yet today
[02:22] <MarkDude> The FB page for the Team has 29 Weekly Actives- that is what the channel has in people at times
[02:23] <pleia2> most of the people who come to this hour aren't on irc
[02:23] <rww> I prefer actual talking to facebook poking or whatever it is you newfangled people do on it.
[02:26] <grantbow> you use facebook now?
[02:26] <rww> no
[02:26] <rww> and by actual talking I mean IRC
[02:26] <grantbow> ah, lol
[02:27] <MarkDude> rww- are youlike 50? Are you going to start telling these kids to get off your lawn?
[02:27] <MarkDude> :)
[02:27] <rww> MarkDude: my favorite Internet protocols is IRC. I must be old :(
[02:28] <rww> s/s is/ is/
[02:28] <MarkDude> grantbow, is old- aand he is on FB
[02:28] <MarkDude> lol
[02:28] <MarkDude> He is my age btw
[02:28] <rww> my dad's on facebook, so...
[02:29] <MarkDude> My Grandma is too- and she likes to post pics of her cats
[02:29] <MarkDude> and baseball games
[02:29] <pleia2> I like to post pictures of my cats
[02:29] <MarkDude> And the garden
[02:29]  * grantbow shakes head
[02:29] <MarkDude> pleia2, by tomorrow I will have a picture of a cross-eyed cat as my profile on FB
[02:30] <MarkDude> Finally got close to the pic of the cat with extra cross eyes
[02:32] <MarkDude> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2424094/IMG_1568.JPG
[02:33] <grantbow> MarkDude, schools ends at Mission Beacon on Friday. Pictures?
[02:33] <grantbow> s/schools/school/
[02:34] <MarkDude> We have
[02:34] <MarkDude> I am making post on it
[02:34] <MarkDude> We have pics at other schools
[02:35] <MarkDude> TedXCrapyard is tomorrow
[02:35] <MarkDude> And Friday, I am busy
[02:35] <MarkDude> dressing up as a zombie
[02:35] <MarkDude> Dont ask- long story
[02:48] <nhaines> akk: welcome back!
[02:50] <akk> hyai nhaines
[04:06] <jyo> pleia2: For some reason, irssi's autosendcmd is choking on the backslash in my password?
[04:07] <pleia2> jyo: ah, yeah it may not be able to escape it properly :\
[04:26] <jyo> pleia: Finally worked with four backslashes. /network shows my password with two but it's sent with one. Whatever.
[05:53] <seidos> i can't believe a marathon is ~23 miles
[06:16] <jmarsden> seidos: That would be because it is actually 26 miles and 385 yards.
[06:16] <rww> lol
[06:16] <jmarsden> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathon
[06:27] <seidos> took you long enough
[06:28] <seidos> it probably would be so terrible with shoes other than vans
[06:28] <seidos> *wouldn't
[06:33] <nhaines> I was happy because I bought pineapple juice but then sad because I realized I'm out of coconut rum.
[06:46] <nhaines> But pineapple juice is delicious anyway.
[06:47] <jmarsden> nhaines: Or, you could view this as an excuse to go buy some more rum :)
[07:04] <rww> Or, you could view this as an excuse to dress as Captain Sparrow and dance around shouting about the rum being gone
[17:07] <pleia2> is anyone from SF going to the mt view ubuntu hour tonight?
[17:19]  * pleia2 needs to find a way home, probably will end up on caltrain but it takes foreeeeever
[17:19] <pleia2> the bf forgot to tell me he won't be in the office this evening, doh
[17:19] <pleia2> he's usually my ride home :)
[17:19]  * MarkDude is headed to TEDxCrapyard
[17:19] <MarkDude> sry
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> Would anyone happen to know the Lake Forest Ubuntu Hour wiki page for tonights Ubuntu Hour? I cant seem to locate it. There are future Lake Forest events, but not for tonight.
[17:24] <iheartubuntu> if not maybe i can just link up with nhaines post in the forum for the details
[17:26] <iheartubuntu> actually those Lake Forest UH events appear to be past events
[17:35] <iheartubuntu> ok, i created one http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/990/detail/
[18:18] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/NattyRelease edited
[18:24] <pleia2> jtatum: packed up your cds \o/
[18:30] <jtatum> cool
[19:09] <rww> iheartubuntu: I thought today's UH was Mt View, not Lake Forest
[19:10] <rww> maybe it's both. iono, i don't pay attention.
[19:10] <iheartubuntu> we have both today
[19:10] <iheartubuntu> i think i put silicon valley for the mountain view one
[19:11] <iheartubuntu> in hopes people in the area will click the link and then find the location
[19:12] <iheartubuntu> it really is awesome we have so many ubuntu hours popping up around california. i bet we have more than some countries.
[19:12] <rww> quality not quantity, though ;P
[19:21] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: the Ubuntu Hour Lake Forest meetings are independant and therefore do not use the LoCo Directory.  The entry on the wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour page is the only place it should be located on the Ubuntu wiki.
[19:22] <iheartubuntu> what does that mean, its independent
[19:23] <iheartubuntu> can you use the name "ubuntu" as part of "ubuntu hour" then if its independent?
[19:23] <pleia2> of course
[19:23] <nhaines> Of course.
[19:23] <iheartubuntu> its separate of the california team?
[19:23] <rww> I can go sit in a cafe tomorrow for a day and decide it's Ubuntu Day.
[19:23] <nhaines> Correct.
[19:23] <pleia2> not everyone has to use all the team resources for their events, they are just available if the organizer chooses to use them
[19:23] <pleia2> and anyone can plan an event :)
[19:24] <nhaines> And Ubuntu Hour is meant for just that purpose.  :)
[19:24]  * pleia2 nods
[19:24] <iheartubuntu> wouldnt you get more interested people if it was part of the loco
[19:24] <nhaines> I find it doubtful.
[19:25] <nhaines> It's a small local event.  I promote it using Planet Ubuntu and at the moment just OCLUG mailing list.
[19:26] <nhaines> I should actually get a page up on my website about it, maybe.
[19:27] <iheartubuntu> would you like me to remove the listing on ubuntu hour  events? or at least remove the loco team as part of the event
[19:28] <nhaines> I'd rather not have it listed.  The LoCo Directory is a terrible resouce in a lot of ways (not very discoverable, for instance) and I don't want to have it up there if it won't be an actively maintained location for information about UHLF.
[19:29] <iheartubuntu> ok, i will remove it. would you like me to post it on the twitter feeds anymore?
[19:29] <nhaines> I didn't know it was still being mentioned on the Twitter feeds.
[19:30] <nhaines> That's up to the LoCo to decide.  I always felt promoting California events was useful, but others vehemently disagreed.
[19:30] <pleia2> it hasn't in a while, we update twitter/identica/facebook based on loco directory
[19:30] <pleia2> (even then it's hard to remember everything :))
[19:30] <pleia2> same with team reports
[19:31] <pleia2> of course everyone is welcome to update team reports themselves
[19:31] <rww> am glad to see facebook's being updated these days
[19:31] <iheartubuntu> i can always post the event and have the link go to your livejournal article
[19:32] <pleia2> rww: heh, it's easier now that posterous x-posts identica/twitter/facebook
[19:32] <nhaines> I know grantbow argued strongly that advertising Ubuntu Hours was a misuse of LoCo resources for personal gain.
[19:32] <nhaines> pleia2: Yeah, if not for Gwibber I'd never use any of it.  :)
[19:32] <pleia2> it doesn't create an "event" for it in fb, but that was a pain anyway since events in facebook have separate rsvp and stuff
[19:33] <iheartubuntu> what is the personal gain?
[19:33] <pleia2> who knows
[19:34] <iheartubuntu> people meeting to talk ubuntu/linux/baseball/giants/dodgerssuck/etc
[19:34] <iheartubuntu> personal gain is friendship!
[19:34] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: I think the argument was that UHs were LUGs and therefore shouldn't be promoted.
[19:34] <rww> iheartubuntu: some Ubuntu Hours are similar to some LUGs, so there was perhaps a feeling that one being promoted through the team but not the other is bad. but I can't speak for grantbow obviously
[19:35] <rww> s/bad/unfair/
[19:35] <iheartubuntu> if a lug is not about ubuntu first i could understand
[19:35] <iheartubuntu> his position
[19:36] <rww> if you really care, I imagine it's somewhere in the meeting logs somewhere, but it's not a conversation that's come up recently afaik
[19:37] <nhaines> The hope for UHLF was that others would see it and be inspired to start their own locally, since we'd been receiving a lot of requests for Ubuntu user groups and local meetings.
[19:38] <nhaines> UH seemed like a much healthier way to go about this.  And I think I achieved my goal, which is nice.  OCLUG leadership love the concept and the California LoCo is kind enough to supply CDs when they're available.
[19:38] <nhaines> Plus, UH was a really new idea back then too.
[19:39] <pleia2> always nice to see the loco and the lugs working well together
[19:39] <rww> indeed
[19:40] <nhaines> It was nice to present Ubuntu 11.04 at OCLUG a week before its release and answer claims of "You're forcing me to use Unity and taking away my freedom" with "If you want GNOME panels, you know where to find it."
[19:41] <pleia2> 11.10 should be interesting
[19:41] <nhaines> I don't know if anyone from OCLUG switched over yet (we haven't met again since) but everyone thanked me for showing them Unity and how it worked, even if they didn't want to use it.
[19:42] <rww> pleia2: so glad they decided to not make huge major changes this cycle. the lack of constant complaining in #ubuntu+1 will be a nice change.
[19:42] <nhaines> rww: didn't you read doctormo's blog?  Removing Pitivi is the end of civiliation.
[19:43] <rww> i have never even run pitivi so i think i am not the intended audience for that program
[19:43] <nhaines> I ran it once.  It crashed.
[19:44] <pleia2> rww: gnome3 will hit 11.10, which means no more classic :\
[19:44] <nhaines> OpenShot lets me get a lot further along before it crashes.  :)
[19:44] <pleia2> you either get unity or gnome shell, both of which are foreign
[19:44] <rww> pleia2: not implementing GNOME 3 fallback to GNOME panel?
[19:44] <pleia2> rww: maybe? but I wouldn't depend upon it, and it won't be on the cd
[19:44] <nhaines> pleia2: there'll still be GNOME fallback mode, I imagine.
[19:45] <rww> nhaines: the PPA doesn't have it, so who knows really
[19:45] <rww> pleia2: fun
[19:45] <nhaines> rww: oh, I thought it did.  Well, at least there'll be Unity 2D.
[19:46] <pleia2> they are doing a really nice job with unity 2d, so at least it'll just be a UI shock rather than "my graphics card hates the new interface" fail
[19:46] <nhaines> Everyone at University of Redlands seemed excited to see Unity in action.
[19:49] <pleia2> it is pretty slick
[19:49] <pleia2> w00t, I get the car today \o/
[19:51] <nhaines> yay!
[20:06] <nhaines> yay, lunchtime.
[20:26] <iheartubuntu> with ubuntu changing at a quick pace, do any of you feel it could be a detriment? possibly turn people away?
[20:30] <nhaines> Not after 7 years.
[20:30] <nhaines> As I mentioned in my last talk, every new release is  fun but LTS is always available if that's too quick.
[20:31] <iheartubuntu> there wasnt a whole lot of change from the early days until 11.04 which saw some radical changes
[20:31] <iheartubuntu> my ladybug makes it into the volleybrawl game :) http://volleybrawl.me/brawlers/view/49
[20:32] <nhaines> There have been major changes.
[20:32] <pleia2> maybe you just weren't paying attention as closely? I'd call the move from gimp to f-spot/shotwell pretty major, move to grub, move to ext4...
[20:32] <pleia2> er, grub2
[20:32] <pleia2> that's all since 9.10
[20:32] <iheartubuntu> im talking about the gui
[20:33] <iheartubuntu> even XP to Win7 wasnt all that major
[20:33] <pleia2> well yes, this is the first major change to the UI aside from theming
[20:33] <nhaines> If you don't think that swapping out the default apps is major, well... I disagree. :)
[20:33] <pleia2> but it would have happened with a release later Gnome Shell if not Unity
[20:33] <iheartubuntu> nhaines. its major. i meant the gui
[20:34] <pleia2> KDE went through this with KDE3 > KDE4, and are again with expanded use of their plasa widgets
[20:34] <pleia2> it's not Ubuntu, it's software, things change :)
[20:34] <pleia2> OS9 to OSX...
[20:35] <nhaines> In that case, I don't think Ubuntu is changing as quickly as other OSes.
[20:35] <iheartubuntu> i wish ubuntu would focus more on making everything tight and perfect first. boot up time seems to have taken a back seat
[20:36] <iheartubuntu> on upgrades to natty i notice a slowdown on boot up time and on fresh installs, no difference in bootup times
[20:36] <pleia2> there is no such thing as perfect, the LTS gets the closest so I'd use that if you were really concerned about a lot of changes
[20:36] <pleia2> and bootup time today is still significantly better than pre-upstart :)
[20:36] <nhaines> The devs working on the GUI have nothing to do with boot times.
[20:57] <MarkDude> At TEdx now
[21:23] <MarkDude> take 2