[13:12] <wolfger> party?
[13:13] <rick_h__> no, not this morning
[13:13] <rick_h__> stupid mysql is pissing me off
[13:14] <brousch> potty?
[13:14] <rick_h__> I'm telling the boss I want a postgres box when he comes in
[13:14] <rick_h__> @#$#%@ this crap
[13:15] <snap-l> Good morning
[13:15] <rick_h__> bah humbug
[13:15] <snap-l> rick_h__: MySQL fall down go boom?
[13:15] <rick_h__> I submit chinese to my db, with my code, on my system everything works
[13:15] <rick_h__> do it live, characters fubar
[13:15] <rick_h__> take my code, talk to live db, saves good chinese
[13:15] <rick_h__> the server daemon can't read it out of the db though
[13:16] <rick_h__> same code, same git checkout, same python packages, same versions of all the code...
[13:16] <rick_h__> different versions of the mysql db is the only change
[13:16] <snap-l> Same version of MySQL?
[13:16] <rick_h__> no, mysql versions are different
[13:16] <rick_h__> but if I use my system to talk to the live db, all works
[13:16] <snap-l> Also, is it the same server?
[13:16] <snap-l> ie: Ubuntu vs CentOS?
[13:16] <rick_h__> as long as all the code runs on my computer, talking to the ubuntu mysql server I'd good
[13:17] <rick_h__> as soon as it's the same server the mysql db is on, chinese goes to hell
[13:17] <rick_h__> so only thing I can think is something with mysql client?
[13:17] <rick_h__> since it's the same connection config, same my.cnf, etc
[13:17] <tjagoda> Ubuntu vs. CentOS is the first thing I see on login
[13:17] <tjagoda> going to be a good day
[13:17] <tjagoda> =P
[13:17] <snap-l> rick_h__: Probably different compile options on the server.
[13:17] <rick_h__> sick of it, postgres...unicode ootb
[13:18] <rick_h__> snap-l: no, because I'm talking from my compter to the live server it works
[13:18] <snap-l> Huh, that's strange.
[13:18] <rick_h__> it's only when the code (same git checkout, same python library versions) are on the server itself that it fails
[13:18] <rick_h__> we're both talking to the same database though
[13:18] <rick_h__> yea, exactly
[13:18] <rick_h__> strange and pissing me off
[13:19] <rick_h__> if your db, or code, or library, or whatever isn't unicode ootb shove it
[13:19] <rick_h__> time to start pushing mysql out of here
[13:19] <snap-l> Heh, could agree more.
[13:19]  * rick_h__ goes back to typing useless things that won't fix this problem on his keyboard
[13:20] <snap-l> you might want to start checking support libraries to see what's different
[13:20] <rick_h__> only thing I can think is the mysql-client
[13:20] <snap-l> ie: libmysql, or something
[13:20] <rick_h__> that's different because of the different distro
[13:20] <brousch> could it be in the OS?
[13:20] <rick_h__> ^^
[13:21] <snap-l> rick_h__: Which distro is it? CentOS?
[13:21] <brousch> centos doesn't understand chinese
[13:21] <rick_h__> ubuntu
[13:21] <rick_h__> LTS
[13:21] <brousch> the server is 10.04?
[13:21] <rick_h__> what's the command to check the version?
[13:22] <rick_h__> not the uname, but something to get the 10.04/etc
[13:22] <snap-l> dpkg -l | grep mysql | less
[13:22] <rick_h__> heh, not that sorry
[13:22] <rick_h__> dpkg -l and I are good friends
[13:22] <snap-l> oh, um... /etc/lsb-release
[13:22] <rick_h__> ok yea, 10.04
[13:23] <snap-l> .2?
[13:23] <rick_h__> yep
[13:23] <snap-l> hurm
[13:25] <snap-l> libmysqlclient16?
[13:25] <rick_h__> http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/05/18/creating-an-ubuntu-power-user-community/ snap-l
[13:26] <snap-l> Yeah, I joined it last night
[13:26] <snap-l> they're busy trying to figure out what to call the IRC channel
[13:26] <snap-l> #ubuntu-experts, or #ubuntu-power-users
[13:26] <wolfger> call it #ubuntu-puc
[13:26] <snap-l> Fear is that expert questions will start getting fielded there.
[13:27] <snap-l> #ubuntu-ricers.
[13:27] <rick_h__> hmm, maybe that's it. The server has libmysqlclient16, I just have libmysqlclient on my system
[13:27] <rick_h__> call it #ubuntu-jump-ship-queue
[13:27] <wolfger> heh
[13:30] <snap-l> rick_h__:  Are you using UTF16 or UTF8?
[13:30] <rick_h__> 8
[13:30] <snap-l> kk
[13:32] <rick_h__> yea, has to be client differences
[13:33] <rick_h__> ugh, fail
[13:33] <snap-l> Any way to run the code on a newer Ubuntu instance?
[13:34] <tjagoda> Anybody in here used Fedora on the desktop recently?
[13:35] <rick_h__> no, not going to happen. Basically think I'm paying the price for not keeping my laptop on LTS
[13:35] <rick_h__> http://uploads.mitechie.com/mysql_hate_me.png
[13:35] <rick_h__> the top is mysql cmd line on the server
[13:35] <rick_h__> the bottom is my laptop
[13:35] <rick_h__> notice the different lol, talking to the same server
[13:37] <rick_h__> is mysql in ubuntu actually percona?
[13:42] <tjagoda> I'm thinking of setting my laptop as dual boot Fedora and Ubuntu
[13:42] <tjagoda> Depending on how stable I find Fedora to be
[13:43] <tjagoda> I love Ubuntu, but crashing to login SUCKS in the middle of an online class test.
[13:43] <brousch> ew
[13:43] <brousch> opensuse > fedora
[13:43] <tjagoda> bleh
[13:44] <tjagoda> If I'm going to RPM land, I'm at least using the RPM's most closely related to Red Hat
[13:44] <rick_h__> yea, with tjagoda on this one
[13:44] <brousch> have fun with that
[13:46] <brousch> sumbitch pyohio and detroit maker faire are the same weekend again
[13:47] <tjagoda> I love when users send me a book of an email, in which they try and analyze the problem from a perspective which is totally incorrect.
[13:47] <tjagoda> I don't know what's better
[13:48] <tjagoda> Wasting my time reading their incorrect thoughts, or wasting my time when they haven't applied enough tought? =P
[13:48] <tjagoda> thought*
[13:54] <wolfger> wasting time with somebody who's thinking incorrectly > wasting time with somebody who isn't thinking
[13:54] <wolfger> because there's at least a hope that they will use their brain correctly in the future
[13:55] <wolfger> people who don't think probably never will
[14:01] <tjagoda> I'll buy that logic
[14:01] <tjagoda> I really need to update Sharepoint Services
[14:03] <tjagoda> But I'm terrified of it
[14:03] <tjagoda> I haven't upgraded it since I was forced to as result of my last disaster recovery 3 years ago
[14:03] <tjagoda> Like a cage match with an entire family of rabid man-eating racoons.
[14:04] <brousch> be afraid. be very afraid.
[14:05] <snap-l> rick_h__: Ouch (re: http://uploads.mitechie.com/mysql_hate_me.png)
[14:06] <rick_h__> snap-l: yea, exactly :) So now the question is, is this a bug in a new mysqlclient?
[14:06] <rick_h__> is this breakage coming to a future ubuntu client
[14:06] <rick_h__> and wtf should I do about it all?
[14:06] <snap-l> What's different between 371 and 365?
[14:06] <rick_h__> one was entered by the sever's mysqlclient (365) and one by my laptop's client
[14:07] <rick_h__> now the funny thing is that even the one that's correct according to the server (365) came out incorrectly once processed, but that might be a problem elsewhere I suppose
[14:07] <snap-l> Right, that's curious
[14:07] <snap-l> you'd think it'd be consistently broken
[14:07]  * wolfger sells that logic to tjagoda for a modest fee
[14:08] <rick_h__> yea, unfortunately I have to work on this stuff in between staff using the system
[14:08] <rick_h__> since it's a issue with live vs testing
[14:08] <rick_h__> I have to actually test on the live box
[14:08] <snap-l> Ugh
[14:08] <tjagoda> Mmmm
[14:08] <tjagoda> Cheap logic
[14:08] <tjagoda> Tastes like India
[14:08] <rick_h__> bah, time to get some vms going I guess to see if I can replicate.
[14:08] <wolfger> Indian food ++
[14:08] <snap-l> rick_h__: Would you be able to create a test database on that database server?
[14:09] <rick_h__> snap-l: yea, I'll have to setup a more 'correct' test env and go from there
[14:09] <rick_h__> if the boss would get in the office I'd get my permission to install pgsql and forget it :)
[14:11] <tjagoda> Wow
[14:11] <snap-l> You sure that LTS pgsql isn't going to introduce more unicode problems. ;)
[14:11] <tjagoda> I've avoided a LOT of sharepoint updates
[14:11] <tjagoda> I'm at Services 2.0 Service Pack 3
[14:11] <tjagoda> There's a whole line of 3.0
[14:11] <tjagoda> And then an entirely new product
[14:11] <tjagoda> =P
[14:11] <rick_h__> snap-l: since it's unicode ootb I think it'd be a lot better
[14:12] <rick_h__> I'm not trying to match collation types/etc all between things
[14:14] <tjagoda> Pop quiz
[14:14] <tjagoda> AMD Opteron 2216: 64 bit or no?
[14:14] <snap-l> Heh, today's O'reilly Deal of the Day is Javascript The Definitive Edition
[14:15] <snap-l> 6th edition. I have 5th.
[14:15] <tjagoda> Bah
[14:15] <tjagoda> too slow
[14:15] <tjagoda> I was able to google faster =(
[14:15] <snap-l> tjagoda: and?
[14:16] <wolfger> You know you're lazy when you ask somebody an obscure question rather than just google it
[14:16] <wolfger> especially when you're *on a computer* at the time.
[14:17] <tjagoda> It's the first generation of AMD64 which is both 32 and 64 compatible
[14:18] <tjagoda> DONT JUDGE ME =P
[14:36] <rick_h__> heh, ok so if I perform and document how to setup pgsql, repliaction, and failover I can have a pgsql server
[14:36] <rick_h__> but first fix mysql ugh
[14:57] <rick_h__> _stink_: http://miamicoder.com/2011/interesting-jquery-mobile-tutorials/ for your co-worker
[14:59] <jrwren> rick_h__: or maybe libmysqlclient.so is different?  that is WEIRD.
[14:59] <jrwren> or the mysql server is not configured for utf8 or something.
[15:00] <jrwren> the problem with jono's "power users" is keeping the signal to noise high.
[15:00] <jrwren> i know lots of people who think theya re power users who really are not.
[15:00] <rick_h__> jrwren: yea, and the fact that they're like "oh, you don't like where ubuntu is heading, here's a self help mailing list"
[15:01] <jrwren> oh is that the motivating factor?  YUK
[15:01] <rick_h__> points brought up that adding the hooks for people to dev custom tools on top of unity adds overhead to the base unity code and has already been turned away
[15:01] <jrwren> mostly an anti-unity reaction.
[15:01] <jrwren> terribly lame then.
[15:01] <rick_h__> yea, "don't like unity, here you power users/devs...hack on it to fix it"
[15:02] <jrwren> i like the kickoff message though https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-power-users/2011-May/000000.htmlhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-power-users/2011-May/000000.html
[15:04] <rick_h__> right, but it's nice to say that he'd love a package to be able to do tweaks
[15:04] <rick_h__> but when there's no hooks into where the unity menubar is located, there's no way for an app to change that setting
[15:04] <jrwren> another thing entirely to make it a priority.
[15:04] <jrwren> yes there is. fork unity menubar package the fork as an alternative.
[15:05] <rick_h__> hah, so the tweaks program pulls a unity fork altogether, Lovely
[15:05] <jrwren> i mean, hell, the entire menubar system is just an LD_PRELOAD trick.
[15:05] <rick_h__> I'm sure that's what they want
[15:05] <jrwren> forking it cheap.
[15:05] <jrwren> we have github. ;)
[15:06] <jrwren>   https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ loads amazingly slow. i guess apache doesn't cache opendir+read results and so its slow for big directories.
[15:07] <rick_h__> everything on canonical's infrastructure runs slow
[15:08] <jrwren> truth
[15:08] <jrwren> its sad.
[15:11] <brousch> you guys are depressing today
[15:11] <brousch> come on, buck up, power users are getting acknowledgement
[15:12] <rick_h__> yea, now we can do our thing, pubuntu. Ubuntu for users that want a terminal.
[15:13] <rick_h__> that's ok, I'll stick with a distro where I'm the target audience. Not where I have to target the distro to me
[15:13] <jrwren> i'm more ubu-server anyway
[15:18] <brousch> party poopers
[15:20] <rick_h__> snap-l: http://www.srtsolutions.com/flex-user-group-to-tackle-building-flexair-apps-for-custom-electronics
[15:21] <_stink_> rick_h__: thanks!
[15:27] <_stink_> ColonelPanic001 and I want to set up a 'central' git host thing here at work.  anyone done this before and have advice?  google gives some info but you all are smarter than google.
[15:28] <rick_h__> yea, check out gitolite
[15:28] <rick_h__> https://github.com/sitaramc/gitolite/wiki/
[15:28] <rick_h__> we run gitosis with gitweb, but gitolite is the successor to it
[15:28] <_stink_> ok, cool.  that was the way i was headed.  if it gets the rick_h__ stamp of approval, i'm sold.
[15:28] <_stink_> thanks.
[15:29] <rick_h__> np
[15:29] <rick_h__> or pay for in house github :)
[15:29] <rick_h__> but my boss didn't go for that plan
[15:29] <_stink_> hehe - this is stealth here at work.
[15:29] <_stink_> so gotta stay off the budget :P
[15:33] <ColonelPanic001> we're gunna get canned
[15:33] <rick_h__> lol
[15:33] <ColonelPanic001> it's like the mob. Either they'll be pleased with our self-motivated agressiveness to improve things, or we'll step on some toes and be killed.
[15:34] <ColonelPanic001> I don't know which, but I do fear there are plenty of ways to dispose of a corpse in Detroit.
[15:34] <rick_h__> I'll cross my fingers for you
[15:34] <rick_h__> what do you use now?
[15:34] <ColonelPanic001> AVENGE ME, FELLOW LINUX NERDS
[15:34] <ColonelPanic001> svn
[15:34] <rick_h__> git-svn is nice
[15:34] <rick_h__> but yea, git ftw
[15:35] <ColonelPanic001> you know, _stink_, we could just do that
[15:38] <brousch> oreilly sent me a pre-release ebook, but didn't tell me wtf it's for.
[15:38] <rick_h__> for being awesome
[15:38] <ColonelPanic001> Titles motherfracker, do you read them?
[15:38] <ColonelPanic001> ;)
[15:38] <brousch> it's from the user group department, so i assume they want it to go to a user group
[15:38] <ColonelPanic001> oh. I thought you didn't know what the book was for, as in, about.
[15:38] <ColonelPanic001> nevermind. back to my corner.
[15:38] <brousch> Programming HTML5 Applications
[15:39] <ColonelPanic001> that's what it's for.
[15:39] <ColonelPanic001> send it to me
[15:39] <_stink_> yeah, i use git-svn to talk to the official svn here.
[15:39] <wolfger> LOL @ ColonelPanic001. I thought the same thing until my brain actually engaged
[15:39] <brousch> I'm asking them what all i can do with it now
[15:39] <rick_h__> huh? asking?
[15:39] <rick_h__> it came to your door
[15:39] <rick_h__> you get first dibs
[15:39] <brousch> they want reviewers? editors? can i send it to anyone?
[15:39] <rick_h__> that's the way it works
[15:39] <ColonelPanic001> they wanted you to send it to me. They just forgot my email address
[15:40] <brousch> well it came to my inbox
[15:40] <rick_h__> they used to send me a box every couple of months I'd give away at MUYG
[15:40] <rick_h__> well MUG
[15:40] <ColonelPanic001> WTF. WHY DO YOU ALL GET FREE OREILLY STUFF
[15:40] <rick_h__> ah, ebook, yea that's more interesting I guess
[15:40] <rick_h__> ColonelPanic001: you just need to sign up your CHC as a user group and ask for some give aways
[15:40] <rick_h__> :)
[15:40] <brousch> yeah, they have a form you fill in
[15:40] <ColonelPanic001> that's not a bad idea.
[15:40] <rick_h__> get on the newsletter and when they send it out ask for one or two of the new releases
[15:41] <rick_h__> occassionaly email back to thank them, point to an amazon review/two and you're good
[15:41] <ColonelPanic001> I will neglect to mention that Downriver CHC has two people that come 90% of the time
[15:41] <ColonelPanic001> once every six months, we get a friend or someone to come.
[15:41] <rick_h__> ColonelPanic001: yea, just say an active group of coders
[15:41] <brousch> i screwed grpug by sking for 5 copies of a giant python book. then nobody finished it or reviewed it
[15:41] <rick_h__> point to the main CHC site
[15:41] <rick_h__> Yea, I got lazy in asking over and over. I'm not good at requesting charity
[15:41] <_stink_> scandalous!
[15:41] <rick_h__> I have a mental block on asking for free stuff
[15:42] <rick_h__> even have a hard time with the grocery store hand outs. "hmm, that cheese looks interesting, I'll buy a block" vs just trying the cubes they're putting out
[15:42] <_stink_> hah
[15:42] <_stink_> that is... strange.
[15:43] <rick_h__> yea, I admit I'm strange. No doubt
[15:43] <ColonelPanic001> meh, I'm not out to scam anyone, especially a company I like, but if they're handing free stuff out on the condition we review it, that's fine with me.
[15:43] <ColonelPanic001> but, that's why I hesitate about registering us. It's two guys that go to a coffee shop. If there half a dozen or something, that's more obvious.
[15:43] <rick_h__> ColonelPanic001: well they don't really put conditions on it
[15:43] <rick_h__> but they're hoping for reviews, blog posts, amazon reviews, etc
[15:44] <rick_h__> good word
[15:44] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, that's only fair, really
[15:44] <rick_h__> ColonelPanic001: just say for CHC
[15:44] <rick_h__> link to the main site
[15:44] <rick_h__> after you get some stuff, pass around for our side
[15:44] <ColonelPanic001> there's already one, I expect, for CHCH
[15:44] <ColonelPanic001> CHC, rather
[15:44] <rick_h__> doubt it
[15:44] <ColonelPanic001> "coffeehouse coders houses"
[15:44] <ColonelPanic001> hm. Maybe
[15:45] <rick_h__> review copies of O'Reilly products
[15:45] <rick_h__> donations of books and other promo items
[15:45] <rick_h__> UG member discount on all O'Reilly books and conferences
[15:45] <rick_h__> see, donations
[15:45] <ColonelPanic001> true enough
[15:45] <rick_h__> anyway, just saying don't @#$@# about not getting free stuff. Easy enough to get
[15:45] <rick_h__> :P
[15:45] <_stink_> I'll start the "Adam Lincoln Tech Coder Club" and sign up
[15:46] <ColonelPanic001> well, what if we just register us together as Detroit CHC, and pass it around? Realistically, Downriver is just two guys that hate the drive to Oakland County anyway, more of a small splinter group
[15:46] <rick_h__> yea, it's all good man
[15:46] <rick_h__> you take point and we'll back you up
[15:46] <ColonelPanic001> okay, maybe later I'll do it then
[15:57] <brousch> ah, they are looking for reviewers
[16:00] <rick_h__> krondor: can handle it. Just let him do it
[16:02]  * wolfger is gonna start BHC (Beer Hall Coders)
[16:02] <krondor> krondor can handle what?
[16:04] <rick_h__> brousch needs a book review from you :)
[16:06] <krondor> hmm, the book is?
[16:08] <brousch> Programming HTML5 Applications
[16:08] <brousch> I'm trying to find out how many copies I can distribute
[16:11] <wolfger> sideways 8
[16:11] <wolfger> :-)
[16:11] <rick_h__> booo, too lazy to look up the code
[16:12] <krondor> why not, I'll give it a shot though I'm not a web dev.  I do dabble however.
[16:12] <brousch> rick_h__: hah, sorry http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920015116
[16:13] <rick_h__> ??
[16:13] <rick_h__> sorry because?
[16:14] <brousch> oh, i see, i thought you were saying you were too lazy to look up the book's url
[16:14] <brousch> but you were saying stink was too lazy to look up inifinity
[16:14] <brousch> or wolfger
[16:14] <brousch> is it lunch time yet?
[16:14] <rick_h__> yea
[16:14] <_stink_> ..
[16:15] <brousch> ...
[16:15] <wolfger> looking up infinity takes forever :-p
[16:22] <brousch> not a lot of chatter in #ubuntu-power-users
[16:23] <jrwren> none
[16:23] <_stink_> what makes a "power user"?
[16:23] <brousch> i think jcastro scared everyone with his overview of what needs to be done
[16:23] <rick_h__> do you hate unity?
[16:23] <rick_h__> if so, you qualify
[16:23] <_stink_> hah
[16:24] <brousch> crap, i don't hate it
[16:24] <_stink_> what if you've never even seen it?
[16:24] <brousch> i find it mildly annoying, but not as annoying as kde
[16:44] <rick_h__> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6061053/node-js-on-windows-when-and-why and this is why windows has a disadvantage with OSS
[16:52] <Milyardo_> Whats wrong with Cygwin?
[16:53] <Milyardo_> I ask because I've had co-workers reluctant to install Cygwin before when using git
[16:54] <rick_h__> it's a pita and a layer they're not familiar with
[16:55] <Milyardo_> So how can you contribute to Cygwin to make it less of a pita?
[16:56] <Milyardo_> or will the still just have too much a unixy feel to it
[16:56] <Milyardo_> for some Windows users?
[17:02] <Blazeix> I'm not sure it's the unixy feel that throw people off, it's just that extra layer
[17:02] <Blazeix> same sort of stigma against wine
[17:32] <tjagoda> So
[17:32] <tjagoda> uh
[17:32] <tjagoda> I kind of like Gnome 3.0 more than I like unity so far
[17:32] <tjagoda> Or at least the way Fedora has done it
[17:37] <Blazeix> what theme does Fedora use? Adwaita?
[17:43] <tjagoda> I am not sure
[17:43] <tjagoda> Running Fedora 15 live CD
[17:43] <tjagoda> but I love this interface
[17:44] <tjagoda> pretty sure this is just normal gnome 3?
[17:45] <tjagoda> only thing I wish for
[17:46] <tjagoda> is that in the upper panel they'd do the at-a-glance listing of what I have open
[17:46] <tjagoda> there's plenty of room for it between activities and clock
[17:46] <tjagoda> if they had that I would 100% love it
[18:32] <snap-l> rick_h__: Interesting
[18:33] <rick_h__> j??
[18:33] <rick_h__> oops
[18:33] <wolfger> Did you mean j++?  ;-)
[18:33] <rick_h__> :P
[18:35] <snap-l> re: the Flex and Arduino group
[18:35] <snap-l> though I couldn't give two shits about Flex or AIR
[18:37] <rick_h__> snap-l: yea, but figured you still might find it interesting
[18:37] <snap-l> yeah, no doubt.
[18:37] <snap-l> Thanks! :)
[18:46] <rick_h__> there, suck it mysql. postgres setup, streaming replication to a second server with read access
[18:46] <rick_h__> I'm going to kill that little @#$%#@
[18:47] <_stink_> haha
[18:47] <rick_h__> man, this linkedin ipo stuff is crazy
[18:48] <rick_h__> I need to start looking at business ideas and getting in on the billions
[18:49] <_stink_> isn't that what bookie is for?
[18:49] <_stink_> $$?
[18:49] <rick_h__> yea, bookie's gotta be worth a cool mil by now right?
[18:49] <rick_h__> I mean, it's simply badass, not a week's worth of work for sure
[18:50] <_stink_> "potential eyeballs"
[18:50] <Blazeix> you can monetize it by adding 'sponsored bookmarks'
[18:50] <rick_h__> yea, I just need to start adding ads on there right? Whenever you filter a tag or search, let google get in there
[18:50] <rick_h__> "I know you wanted your postgres bookmarks, but wouldn't you rather hire a db admin?!"
[18:50] <snap-l> This is just the exuberance of the first big IPO since the bubble
[18:50] <rick_h__> snap-l: yea, definitely
[18:51] <snap-l> Give it a few weeks, and they'll be down to $3.50 a share
[18:51] <rick_h__> lol
[18:51] <snap-l> I mean, they're pretty much not profitable, right?
[18:52] <rick_h__> I thought they were
[18:52] <rick_h__> bringing in some 500M or something, no idea on what..
[18:52] <rick_h__>  Last quarter, the company notched $2.1 million in earnings on $93.9 million in revenue.
[18:59] <wolfger> just need to trim some fat and that will be a serious revenue stream
[19:00] <wolfger> er.... serious profit stream
[19:00] <wolfger> it's already a serious revenue stream
[19:00] <rick_h__> darn expensive programmers
[19:01] <rick_h__> man I <3 psql vs mysql
[19:01] <rick_h__> command line is much nicer (or maybe I just know it more)
[19:10] <snap-l> I think it's a knowledge thing
[19:11] <snap-l> though I'm tending to agree. I think the postgresql client is a lot better
[19:11] <snap-l> there's a few things that I miss but they're few and far between
[19:12] <snap-l> mostly stuff like exports and such
[19:12] <rick_h__> \d vs show tables; \x for pretty output, tab completion (not sure if you can get mysql to tab complete)
[19:12] <snap-l> mysql has tab complete
[19:12] <rick_h__> does it? I need to find that then. I thought I went checking before
[19:12] <snap-l> It's kinda janky, though
[19:14] <snap-l> postgresql's tab complete is a lot better
[19:15] <rick_h__> ah, had to add --auto-rehash to the cmd call
[19:16] <snap-l> I've never had to do that. You might have something turned off by default
[19:17] <rick_h__> yea, see it's a server setting you can flip
[19:17] <rick_h__> but I haven't changed that so must be off by deafult
[19:17] <snap-l> probably someone turned it off because the mysql client takes N time to start up if you enable that
[19:17] <snap-l> N being the number of tables, databases, etc
[19:18] <rick_h__> strange, it's set that way on my localhost
[19:18] <rick_h__> base mysql install
[19:18] <rick_h__> maybe an arch thing, but I remember hating mysql without tab completion on ubuntu as well
[19:18] <snap-l> Apparently I only use the finer repos. :)
[19:18] <rick_h__> I guess
[19:18] <snap-l> You need to stop using curmudgeon.ubuntu.com for your isos
[19:18] <rick_h__> fancy mysql pants
[19:19] <rick_h__> doh!
[19:19] <snap-l> "sane defaults are for pussies"
[19:19] <snap-l> "Every cycle better stand up and do pushups. No wasting cycles on some namby-pamby niceties
[19:20] <snap-l> Tab complete? Phooey.
[19:20] <rick_h__> psh, I'm a zsh hippie, I <3 me some tab completion
[19:20] <snap-l> Colored terminals? I'll color your terminals. Black and white, and you'll like it.
[19:20] <Milyardo> In my day you had to write your own tab complete
[19:20] <rick_h__> I love that how the guy at pyohio called us zsh hippies.
[19:20] <Milyardo> in the snow
[19:20] <Milyardo> uphill
[19:22] <snap-l> "Cloud computing? The only cloud I'd better be seeing is the servers getting the dust blown out of them by you worthless hippies"
[19:22] <snap-l> "Call me old fashioned, but I want to hear every cycle of those computers in the server room"
[19:23] <snap-l> "Dropbox? Put that on my servers, and I'll Dropkick a round house in your pants"
[19:26] <snap-l> "Cross me again, boy, and I'll serve you a stack of floppy disks and a room full of servers to load 'em on"
[19:27] <widox> whoa, getting violent in here
[19:27] <_stink_> just snap-l
[19:35] <snap-l> ;)
[19:39] <Milyardo> not quite BOFH violent
[19:42] <rick_h__> yay, and now my first WTF arch moment
[19:52] <snap-l> woo woo
[19:52] <rick_h__> yea, just cranky today. No one is playing nice
[20:11] <brousch> you are kind of crankypants today
[20:23] <brousch> oh great, now it will never die: Microsoft announces to mvps at http://hootsuite.com/dashboard# that VB6 will be released as open source on codeplex end of june! w00t
[20:33] <snap-l> Awesome!
[20:33] <snap-l> Pardon me while I go get my gun to celebrate.
[20:47] <rick_h__> we need to hack the registration page for downloads
[20:47] <rick_h__> all downloaders will be put on hit list
[21:00] <brousch> rick_h__'s dream http://bagcheck.com/blog/8-bagchecking-in-the-command-line