[03:54] <Animental> Hola!
[14:30] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:54] <holstein> charlie-tca: o/
[14:55] <holstein> im excited about ubuntustudio using XFCE :)
[15:13] <charlie-tca> holstein: I am too. I think that is a good move for ubuntustudio
[15:18] <holstein> agreed
[15:18] <holstein> we are being met with some negativity from the ubuntustudio community
[15:18] <ochosi> holstein: what are the main concerns?
[15:19] <charlie-tca> That will always be the case. There are those who still insist Ubuntu should include gnome2 in 11.10, too
[15:19] <holstein> change in general
[15:19] <charlie-tca> They don't seem to realize gnome3 is replacing gnome 2 and is a major change to it
[15:19] <holstein> most seem to be unaware that gnome2 is EOL
[15:19] <ochosi> mhm
[15:19] <ochosi> holstein: do you plan to switch to xfce-apps as well? (as in: replace nautilus with thunar etc.)
[15:20] <holstein> ochosi: thats the idea
[15:20] <ochosi> right
[15:20] <holstein> *we hope to get away with that
[15:20] <charlie-tca> ochosi: using Xubuntu as the base instead of Ubuntu
[15:20] <holstein> theres no reason why we cant
[15:20] <holstein> i think we are checking for dependancies that might want/need nautilus
[15:20] <ochosi> yeah, tbh feature-wise i'm not concerned with gnome2 vs. xfce
[15:20] <charlie-tca> As I see it, it will greatly simplify the way it is put together
[15:20] <holstein> or some other component that would want to pull gnome in
[16:40] <pleia2> charlie-tca: so, according to the latest email from IS we can't actually use the staging site for staging our theme
[16:40] <charlie-tca> yeah, I saw that. Maybe I don't understand what staging is?
[16:40] <pleia2> looks like we'll need to set up our own instance and do our development there :\
[16:40] <pleia2> I think *they* don't understand what staging is
[16:41] <charlie-tca> It seems like they are using it as a pre-approval site only, instead of a place where the user can build and play before making the site real
[16:41] <pleia2> yeah
[16:41] <pleia2> now both knome and I have resources to run our own, but if we knew we couldn't use staging for staging we would have done this months ago, and it's kinda annoying :)
[16:42] <charlie-tca> I agree. 
[16:42] <charlie-tca> It seems really backward to have to work this way
[16:42] <pleia2> yeah
[16:44] <charlie-tca> I was going to try and push it, but I am afraid of losing it completely by making them angry
[16:45] <charlie-tca> They are slow enough to respond. No point making it worse
[16:45] <pleia2> agreed
[16:45] <pleia2> I'll set up a test instance, but probably not today, need to get over demotivation from this disappointment first :)
[16:46] <charlie-tca> It is really frustrating though, since we could have built several test sites already
[16:46] <pleia2> yeah
[18:33] <Pjotr> Hello, I'm a member of the upstream Dutch translation team for Xfce. Recently, RawChid spoke to mr_pouit about transferring critically improved Dutch translations of Xfce 4.8, to the updates of Xubuntu 11.04.
[18:33] <Pjotr> mr_pouit then advised to make a separate bug report on Launchpad, for each newly translated Xfce package. I've done that a week ago. mr_pouit is not here, it seems.... can somebody else inform me about the progress in this matter? :-)
[18:34] <micahg> Pjotr: I haven't seen the bugs, but the process would be, get the new translations in the versions in oneiric, then you can SRU them to natty
[18:35] <Pjotr> How can I get them in oneiric? They are now here:  https://translations.xfce.org/projects/p/xfce/r/xfce-4-8/l/nl/
[18:39] <charlie-tca> They will come into oneiric when we sync the packages shortly
[18:39] <charlie-tca> Then we will push them back into natty, normally
[18:39] <charlie-tca> By having the bugs, we won't forget them
[18:40] <Pjotr> OK, sounds great.... when will the next sync happen?
[18:41] <charlie-tca> I don't have dates, but I belioe
[18:41] <charlie-tca> I believe it is in progress now, so should be within a week or two
[18:42] <micahg> autosync is happening from Debian, so I assume Debian is packaging these new versions
[18:42] <charlie-tca> That's the normal route. If mr_pouit sees they are not up to date, he packages to Debian and then syncs the packages
[18:43] <Pjotr> charlie-tca: That's pretty quickly. And how long do you think it'll take after that, to push back the translations into natty?
[18:44] <charlie-tca> I don't really have a timeframe for that. 
[18:44] <charlie-tca> Alpha1 is june 2, so the sync has to happen soon
[18:45] <micahg> ? what does one have to do with the otehr
[18:45] <Pjotr> charlie-tca: maybe you can give a rough estimate for the push back into natty? 
[18:45] <charlie-tca> Usually want the latest stuff in the first milestone, if possible
[18:45] <charlie-tca> Pjotr: can't even begin to guess
[18:46] <micahg> is there a list of bugs?
[18:46] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/781039
[18:46] <Pjotr> micahg: I can provide it, if you have a moment...
[18:47] <micahg> Pjotr: or just give me your LP id name and I can see which bugs you reported :)
[18:47] <charlie-tca> That should have most of the packages attached
[18:47] <micahg> Pjotr: nm, got it
[18:48] <Pjotr> this is my Launchpad ID: https://launchpad.net/~computertip
[18:49] <micahg> so, we have 13 packages to update
[18:50] <Pjotr> Yup, I've been pretty busy... :P
[18:50] <charlie-tca> :-)
[18:51] <micahg> so, if mr_pouit gets this into Debian, we can sync them over into Ubuntu and then get them into Natty
[18:52] <Pjotr> I've tried contacting mr_pouit through his Launchpad account, but received no response yet
[18:54] <Pjotr> I have to go now. Thanks for your answers. I trust the matter is in good hands. :-)
[18:55] <charlie-tca> Thanks for those bugs.
[18:55] <scott-work> hi charlie-tca , just wanted to make sure you were aware that ubuntu studio is strongly considering moving to xfce as the DE
[19:01] <charlie-tca> Thanks. Yes, and I think it would be a good move for ubuntustudio
[19:01] <charlie-tca> We will try to give you whatever help we can if you do it.
[19:01] <holstein> charlie-tca: thanks
[19:03] <holstein> hopefully, it can be a pooling of resources at some point
[19:03] <holstein> as the US team grows
[19:03] <charlie-tca> scott-work: I think it might be easier than trying to tie in Unity, too
[19:04] <scott-work> charlie-tca: i expect the same as well
[19:04] <scott-work> and thanks :)
[19:04] <charlie-tca> Good luck! Oneiric promises to be interesting either way
[19:56] <scott-work> charlie-tca: it certainly does, ubuntu studio has several substanital improvements in process, i hope we can sucessfully complete them
[19:57] <charlie-tca> As a non-leader, let me know if I can help out. Not a developer/packager, but I can do testing and bugs if you need help with them?
[19:58] <charlie-tca> I can't speak for Xubuntu on that, but for myself, I would be happy to lend a hand
[19:59] <micahg> charlie-tca: non-leader?
[19:59] <charlie-tca> bad words. non-leader == individually, not as Xubuntu 
[19:59] <charlie-tca> brain still not back from UDS
[20:04] <scott-work> lol, thank you charlie-tca, that is very gratious of you and greatly appreciated :)
[20:05] <scott-work> there is discussion about getting the faenza icon set into the repos for use, but i don't know how this would look within xfce
[20:05] <charlie-tca> Just want help here and there
[20:05] <scott-work> does anyone have an opinion about it?
[20:05] <charlie-tca> I thought faenza was already in the universe
[20:06] <charlie-tca> faenza-icon-theme
[20:07] <charlie-tca> We looked at it for Natty, but decided it was not quite right. Elementary was a better fit.
[20:08] <charlie-tca> scott-work: ochosi did quite of bit of work with faenza, but is not around right now
[20:12] <scott-work> charlie-tca: oh!  that might be really, really good then, but i'll look at elementary as well
[20:16] <scott-work> but it still looks like faenza might only be available in PPA :(
[20:17] <charlie-tca> hm, maybe I got the ppa enabled then
[20:18] <micahg> charlie-tca: looks like it, I can't see it in the archive
[20:18] <charlie-tca> edubuntu was looking at faenza too
[20:19] <charlie-tca> nope
[20:19] <charlie-tca> it is in main for natty
[20:19] <micahg> charlie-tca: pkg name?
[20:19] <charlie-tca> faenza-icon-theme
[20:19] <micahg> charlie-tca: nope
[20:19] <charlie-tca> version 0.7
[20:20] <micahg> charlie-tca: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?search_type=source&text=faenza
[20:20] <charlie-tca> it shows in synaptic as component :  main
[20:20] <micahg> charlie-tca: all PPA packages are in main (public ones at least)
[20:21] <charlie-tca> crap
[20:22] <charlie-tca> i give up. looks like I got too many ppa's now
[20:22] <micahg> charlie-tca: apt-cache policy foo will tell you where it's from
[20:22] <charlie-tca> This theme is still under development.
[20:23] <charlie-tca> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[20:23] <charlie-tca> last line for apt-cache
[20:23] <micahg> charlie-tca: the only source shown?
[20:23] <charlie-tca> no source given for it
[20:23] <micahg> ah, yeah, then the repo was disabled at some point or it was deleted from th erepo
[20:24] <charlie-tca> even better!
[20:24]  * micahg runs off to do various things now
[20:24] <charlie-tca> I'm going hide again. This one got me
[21:01] <scott-work> lol, but thank you for looking :)