[03:54] Hola! === ochosi_ is now known as ochosi [14:30] Good morning [14:54] charlie-tca: o/ [14:55] im excited about ubuntustudio using XFCE :) [15:13] holstein: I am too. I think that is a good move for ubuntustudio [15:18] agreed [15:18] we are being met with some negativity from the ubuntustudio community [15:18] holstein: what are the main concerns? [15:19] That will always be the case. There are those who still insist Ubuntu should include gnome2 in 11.10, too [15:19] change in general [15:19] They don't seem to realize gnome3 is replacing gnome 2 and is a major change to it [15:19] most seem to be unaware that gnome2 is EOL [15:19] mhm [15:19] holstein: do you plan to switch to xfce-apps as well? (as in: replace nautilus with thunar etc.) [15:20] ochosi: thats the idea [15:20] right [15:20] *we hope to get away with that [15:20] ochosi: using Xubuntu as the base instead of Ubuntu [15:20] theres no reason why we cant [15:20] i think we are checking for dependancies that might want/need nautilus [15:20] yeah, tbh feature-wise i'm not concerned with gnome2 vs. xfce [15:20] As I see it, it will greatly simplify the way it is put together [15:20] or some other component that would want to pull gnome in [16:40] charlie-tca: so, according to the latest email from IS we can't actually use the staging site for staging our theme [16:40] yeah, I saw that. Maybe I don't understand what staging is? [16:40] looks like we'll need to set up our own instance and do our development there :\ [16:40] I think *they* don't understand what staging is [16:41] It seems like they are using it as a pre-approval site only, instead of a place where the user can build and play before making the site real [16:41] yeah [16:41] now both knome and I have resources to run our own, but if we knew we couldn't use staging for staging we would have done this months ago, and it's kinda annoying :) [16:42] I agree. [16:42] It seems really backward to have to work this way [16:42] yeah [16:44] I was going to try and push it, but I am afraid of losing it completely by making them angry [16:45] They are slow enough to respond. No point making it worse [16:45] agreed [16:45] I'll set up a test instance, but probably not today, need to get over demotivation from this disappointment first :) [16:46] It is really frustrating though, since we could have built several test sites already [16:46] yeah [18:33] Hello, I'm a member of the upstream Dutch translation team for Xfce. Recently, RawChid spoke to mr_pouit about transferring critically improved Dutch translations of Xfce 4.8, to the updates of Xubuntu 11.04. [18:33] mr_pouit then advised to make a separate bug report on Launchpad, for each newly translated Xfce package. I've done that a week ago. mr_pouit is not here, it seems.... can somebody else inform me about the progress in this matter? :-) [18:34] Pjotr: I haven't seen the bugs, but the process would be, get the new translations in the versions in oneiric, then you can SRU them to natty [18:35] How can I get them in oneiric? They are now here: https://translations.xfce.org/projects/p/xfce/r/xfce-4-8/l/nl/ [18:39] They will come into oneiric when we sync the packages shortly [18:39] Then we will push them back into natty, normally [18:39] By having the bugs, we won't forget them [18:40] OK, sounds great.... when will the next sync happen? [18:41] I don't have dates, but I belioe [18:41] I believe it is in progress now, so should be within a week or two [18:42] autosync is happening from Debian, so I assume Debian is packaging these new versions [18:42] That's the normal route. If mr_pouit sees they are not up to date, he packages to Debian and then syncs the packages [18:43] charlie-tca: That's pretty quickly. And how long do you think it'll take after that, to push back the translations into natty? [18:44] I don't really have a timeframe for that. [18:44] Alpha1 is june 2, so the sync has to happen soon [18:45] ? what does one have to do with the otehr [18:45] charlie-tca: maybe you can give a rough estimate for the push back into natty? [18:45] Usually want the latest stuff in the first milestone, if possible [18:45] Pjotr: can't even begin to guess [18:46] is there a list of bugs? [18:46] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/781039 [18:46] Ubuntu bug 781039 in exo (Ubuntu) "Critically improved Dutch translation available upstream" [Undecided,New] [18:46] micahg: I can provide it, if you have a moment... [18:47] Pjotr: or just give me your LP id name and I can see which bugs you reported :) [18:47] That should have most of the packages attached [18:47] Pjotr: nm, got it [18:48] this is my Launchpad ID: https://launchpad.net/~computertip [18:49] so, we have 13 packages to update [18:50] Yup, I've been pretty busy... :P [18:50] :-) [18:51] so, if mr_pouit gets this into Debian, we can sync them over into Ubuntu and then get them into Natty [18:52] I've tried contacting mr_pouit through his Launchpad account, but received no response yet [18:54] I have to go now. Thanks for your answers. I trust the matter is in good hands. :-) [18:55] Thanks for those bugs. [18:55] hi charlie-tca , just wanted to make sure you were aware that ubuntu studio is strongly considering moving to xfce as the DE [19:01] Thanks. Yes, and I think it would be a good move for ubuntustudio [19:01] We will try to give you whatever help we can if you do it. [19:01] charlie-tca: thanks [19:03] hopefully, it can be a pooling of resources at some point [19:03] as the US team grows [19:03] scott-work: I think it might be easier than trying to tie in Unity, too [19:04] charlie-tca: i expect the same as well [19:04] and thanks :) [19:04] Good luck! Oneiric promises to be interesting either way [19:56] charlie-tca: it certainly does, ubuntu studio has several substanital improvements in process, i hope we can sucessfully complete them [19:57] As a non-leader, let me know if I can help out. Not a developer/packager, but I can do testing and bugs if you need help with them? [19:58] I can't speak for Xubuntu on that, but for myself, I would be happy to lend a hand [19:59] charlie-tca: non-leader? [19:59] bad words. non-leader == individually, not as Xubuntu [19:59] brain still not back from UDS [20:04] lol, thank you charlie-tca, that is very gratious of you and greatly appreciated :) [20:05] there is discussion about getting the faenza icon set into the repos for use, but i don't know how this would look within xfce [20:05] Just want help here and there [20:05] does anyone have an opinion about it? [20:05] I thought faenza was already in the universe [20:06] faenza-icon-theme [20:07] We looked at it for Natty, but decided it was not quite right. Elementary was a better fit. [20:08] scott-work: ochosi did quite of bit of work with faenza, but is not around right now [20:12] charlie-tca: oh! that might be really, really good then, but i'll look at elementary as well [20:16] but it still looks like faenza might only be available in PPA :( [20:17] hm, maybe I got the ppa enabled then [20:18] charlie-tca: looks like it, I can't see it in the archive [20:18] edubuntu was looking at faenza too [20:19] nope [20:19] it is in main for natty [20:19] charlie-tca: pkg name? [20:19] faenza-icon-theme [20:19] charlie-tca: nope [20:19] version 0.7 [20:20] charlie-tca: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?search_type=source&text=faenza [20:20] it shows in synaptic as component : main [20:20] charlie-tca: all PPA packages are in main (public ones at least) [20:21] crap [20:22] i give up. looks like I got too many ppa's now [20:22] charlie-tca: apt-cache policy foo will tell you where it's from [20:22] This theme is still under development. [20:23] 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status [20:23] last line for apt-cache [20:23] charlie-tca: the only source shown? [20:23] no source given for it [20:23] ah, yeah, then the repo was disabled at some point or it was deleted from th erepo [20:24] even better! [20:24] * micahg runs off to do various things now [20:24] I'm going hide again. This one got me [21:01] lol, but thank you for looking :)