[00:06] <lcb> darthanubis: you got that error from a dialog or you launched it from CLI and ended that way?
[00:06] <darthanubis> launched it from CLI and ended that way
[00:07] <lcb> probably more info is needed on that bug report...
[00:09] <lcb> darthanubis: using synaptic you could see if you reinstall glibmm* what affects - if affects important packages you have installed
[00:10] <darthanubis> that wil not fix the error
[00:11] <lcb> that's what i would do in those circumstances. it seems not to be a known issue, so probably some conflicting files or corrupted or something
[00:16] <darthanubis> seems like no one uses the program or too lazy to file bugs against it
[00:20] <lcb> darthanubis: i know you said you don't have any compiz  but those "glibmm-ERROR **" are known with it
[00:21] <darthanubis> ok
[00:21] <lcb> compiz is not part of kubuntu, anyway
[00:22] <darthanubis> right
[00:23] <lcb> trying to dig on bugs and net ... the error or parts of it, that's the conclusion i made, honestly
[00:28] <lcb> sorry darthanubis :( i'm just like you - hate bugs. just killed a culiseta longiareolata
[00:28] <lcb> aka mosquito :)
[00:31] <darthanubis> ha
[00:31] <darthanubis> I usually fix my own. I appreciate your attention to the matter
[01:40] <multipass> how do i make kubuntu not load the prev session
[01:44] <wn1zid> press alt+f2 type in kcontrol then hit run click the +kde componets choose session manager where it says login click start with an empty session then hit apply.
[01:53] <toxicwaltz> Hello guys... Since installing kubuntu 11.04 I have noticed that my fans are running constantly, has anyone else had the same issue?
[01:57] <Daskreech> wn1zid: You can hit alt+F2 and just type session :)
[01:57] <Daskreech> toxicwaltz: tried with and without desktop effects ?
[01:58] <toxicwaltz> Daskreech: yepp
[01:59] <toxicwaltz> Daskreech: this laptop should be easily able to run all the effects
[02:00] <Daskreech> toxicwaltz: doesn't matter if you don't have the drivers sorted out
[02:00] <Daskreech>  and things like Blur are currently always run on the processor
[02:00] <toxicwaltz> Daskreech: yeah ...
[02:01] <Daskreech> So you may be running one or more desktop effects on teh processor. ... or it could be something else totally
[02:01] <toxicwaltz> Daskreech: the graphics card is a Radeon X3200
[02:01] <Daskreech> Again if you don't have the drivers it's all going to be run on the processor
[02:06] <toxicwaltz> Daskreech: okay..well maybe I'll get this sort out soon... I could play 1080p on youtube so no major problems
[02:07] <Daskreech> toxicwaltz: just try turn off desktop effects for like an hour see if it makes a difference
[02:07] <Daskreech> you can ask in #kwin if you want to track down a CPU offender
[04:05]  * mino stares
[04:07]  * Linkmaster taps fingers against chin
[04:54] <KerrMD> How goes it folks?
[05:25] <Daskreech> KerrMD: Decent
[05:26] <KerrMD> I was beginning to think that this was a ghost town. Plenty of action over at #ubuntu.... well, a little bit anyway
[05:28] <Captainkrtek> hello
[05:30] <KerrMD> HIya cap
[05:30] <Captainkrtek> hello
[05:30] <Captainkrtek> just writing some kubuntu docs
[05:30] <KerrMD> NIce
[05:42] <floown> hello
[05:42] <floown> in Kate, I can sort my line with the "sort" command. How can I do the same with numbers ?
[05:42] <floown> * lines
[06:01] <KerrMD> Sorry floown, I've only just switched to Kubuntu from ubuntu after the whole "Unity" switch.
[06:01] <floown> KerrMD: ;)
[06:02] <Linkmaster> how does Unity compare to GNOME?
[06:02] <floown> KerrMD: I use Calc for sort the numbers untill someone has the answers, perhaps :)
[06:02] <KerrMD> It doesn't. In my humble opinion it is horrid.\
[06:03] <floown> KerrMD: lol
[06:03] <floown> KDE is so lovely to use
[06:03] <KerrMD> It takes some learning but I have to agree
[06:03] <floown> have a nice day, all ;)
[06:03] <KerrMD> you too
[06:04] <floown> thx
[06:04] <Linkmaster> laters
[06:04] <Linkmaster> KerrMD: I liked how you said that: it doesn't. I laughed pretty hard
[06:08] <KerrMD> lol
[06:09] <dan__> I have perhaps the stupidest question ever asked in kubuntu land
[06:09] <Linkmaster> what is it?
[06:10] <dan_l> I really like Kate.  I really do.
[06:10] <dan_l> But, has anybody ever seen VB syntax highlighting available anywhere?
[06:10]  * Linkmaster doesn't even know what that is
[06:10] <dan_l> (I know this isn't Kate help, I'm just curious if anybody has seen it)
[06:11] <dan_l> Linkmaster?  You don't know what kate is?  Or you don't know what VB is?
[06:11] <KerrMD> I thought I had years ago but that was years ago and I suffer from CRS.
[06:11] <dan_l> CRS?
[06:11] <KerrMD> Can't remember <expletive>
[06:11] <dan_l> cannot recall syndrome?:)
[06:11] <Linkmaster> The later, I use Kate all the time[lua scripting]
[06:12] <KerrMD> That too, thanks dan_l
[06:12] <DarthFrog> dan_l: All I can say is I hope it doesn't exist!
[06:12] <frogonwheels> dan_l: vim has it.
[06:12] <dan_l> Darthfrog:  Why?  Oh why?
[06:12] <DarthFrog> frogonwheels: You gotta be kidding?  Syntax highlighting for Visual Basic?
[06:12] <dan_l> Fragonwheels:  do you like vim?
[06:12] <frogonwheels> dan_l: I've edited VB in vim ;)
[06:13] <frogonwheels> dan_l: yep.
[06:13] <DarthFrog> dan_l: Cuz VB is MS technology.  It's political. :-)
[06:13]  * Linkmaster now knows why he hasn't heard of it
[06:13] <KerrMD> http://johnmacfarlane.net/highlighting-kate/ perhaps?
[06:14] <KerrMD> Nevermind, it looks abandoned
[06:14] <dan_l> DarthFrog:  I feel bad about it.  But I make a lot of spreadsheets.  And that means:  I'm ms's mule.  But it would be nice to write the code in my kde zen world
[06:14] <dan_l> http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2007/08/14/what-does-your-favorite-text-editor-say-about-you/
[06:15] <DarthFrog> dan_l: Eh, computers are tools, not religious choices.  Use what works for you.
[06:15] <frogonwheels> DarthFrog:  exactly :)
[06:16] <dan_l> Darthfrog:  I used to agree with you.  Until I started using KDE.  Now I'm in a cult.
[06:16] <Linkmaster> DarthFrog: no, your wrong! They are seperate dieties mixed into mechanical failure! They must be a religious icon!
[06:16] <KerrMD> dan_l: better than the Gnome cult. =P
[06:16] <DarthFrog> dan_l: I really like KDE too. :-)
[06:17] <frogonwheels> I'm a kde user
[06:17] <KerrMD> Sorry, "Unity" cult, not gnome
[06:17] <dan_l> KerrMD:  nobody is in that cult anymore.  something called 'unity' happened.
[06:17] <DarthFrog> Linkmaster:  You know, it's OK to chill out, bud. :-)  Be a mellow fellow.
[06:17] <KerrMD> Tell me about it...
[06:17]  * Linkmaster was part of the KDE cult since he first booted Kubuntu 10.10
[06:17] <dan_l> I popped in badbuntu just to try it
[06:17] <Linkmaster> DarthFrog: haha, I'm chill, I just couldn't resist xD
[06:17] <KerrMD> badbuntu?
[06:18] <dan_l> My pet term for ubuntu
[06:18] <dan_l> after using that unity thing.
[06:18] <KerrMD> ah
[06:18] <dan_l> Maybe it does work for some people.
[06:18] <dan_l> I don't know.
[06:18] <Linkmaster> Is Unity really that bad?
[06:18] <frogonwheels> wow... they even had an entry for Cream
[06:18] <KerrMD> I gave it a go for all of ... 20minutes before I downloaded kubuntu
[06:18] <DarthFrog> It's early days for Unity.  But it's a key part of Ayatana and will mature.
[06:18] <dan_l> Linkmaster:  I think it would take some time to get used to.
[06:19] <Linkmaster> I heard it was based off the 'netbook remix' edition of 10.10
[06:19] <dan_l> people said much the same about KDE 4, as I recall.
[06:19] <KerrMD> It feels counter-intuitive for me
[06:19] <dan_l> But still:  KDE doesn't try to reinvent the wheel.
[06:19] <DarthFrog> For me, Unity/Ubuntu are for newcomers and those who just want to use their computer.  KDE is for power users who want complete control over their system.
[06:20] <DarthFrog> Neither is better than the other, they're just intended for different audiences.  Oh, who am I trying to kid, KDE is much superior. :-)
[06:21] <KerrMD> Fell into the PC rut there DarthFrog?
[06:21]  * DarthFrog is trying to be even-handed.
[06:21] <KerrMD> heh
[06:25] <dan_l> I wonder how hard it would be to define some customer highlighting
[06:27] <dan_l> custom
[06:27] <dan_l> i meant custom
[06:27] <dan_l> it's getting late:)
[06:28] <DarthFrog> I was picturing you running after your customers with a highlighting marker in hand, cackling wildly. :-)
[06:28] <KerrMD> lmao
[06:28] <dan_l> lol
[06:28] <KerrMD> Now THAT is something to catch on film.
[06:29] <dan_l> put it on payperview
[06:29] <dan_l> I'm going to try this cream thing
[06:29] <dan_l> is this gtk?
[06:29] <KerrMD> Is what gtk?
[06:29] <dan_l> cuz gtk apps sometimes make me hurl
[06:31] <dan_l> gtk is the stuff they use to make genome apps
[06:31] <KerrMD> I may have to install Vim and compare it to Kate. I think it was early last decade when I last used vim.
[06:31] <dan_l> kde uses qt I think
[06:32] <KerrMD> I know, I wondering what app you were speaking of
[06:32] <KerrMD> Yeah, KDe is qt
[06:33] <dan_l> Cream.
[06:33] <dan_l> Apparently its vim for people who fail
[06:33] <KerrMD> lol
[06:33] <KerrMD> I remember liking vim but people change.
[06:34] <KerrMD> as do editors
[06:34] <KerrMD> Ack! Is vin gtk?
[06:34] <KerrMD> vim*
[06:35] <dan_l> hideous, isn't it?
[06:35] <DarthFrog> vim is command line, not gui.  But there is a gvim which is GTK GUI.
[06:35] <dan_l> doesn't it make you angry that somebody would make something so ugly?
[06:35] <KerrMD> By the looks of the apt entries it looks to be gtk
[06:35] <KerrMD> ah
[06:35] <dan_l> who would do such a thing?
[06:36] <KerrMD> Nice, it does not install the gui by default. I've spent too much time in windows.
[06:41] <Linkmaster> KerrMD: Thats a sad thing to hear D:
[06:41] <KerrMD> Sad but good at the same time. I'm getting out of the "Windows" hole.
[06:42] <dan_l> still have to use it at work?
[06:42] <dan_l> I'm stuck on xp at work
[06:42] <KerrMD> Nope, just moved back to Southern Cali from Montana. Looking for work
[06:42] <Linkmaster> XP is pretty much the only thing that MS made that was good
[06:42] <KerrMD> Actually 7 is quite nice
[06:43] <Linkmaster> Not to a diehard XP user :P
[06:43] <KerrMD> lol
[06:43] <Linkmaster> Not to mention, if you know what your doing[I used to, until I found Linux], you can make XP run Vista/7 executables. Its a pain, but it'll work
[06:44] <KerrMD> I never had the patience to figure it out. I got out of Vista as fast as I could and xp was not attractive to me anymore
[06:45] <Linkmaster> I don't even recognize Vista, it was so terrible
[06:46] <KerrMD> Vista was the "ME" of its decade
[06:47] <Linkmaster> I also don't recognize ME :P
[06:47] <KerrMD> lol
[06:47] <KerrMD> NOt many do
[06:47] <KerrMD> at least not willingly
[06:48] <Linkmaster> My order for Windows: XP, 2000, 7, 98, 95, NT, ...yup. Thats it
[06:48] <KerrMD> Ordered by what, preference?
[06:48] <Linkmaster> Yeah
[06:48] <dan_l> 7 is......windows.
[06:48] <Linkmaster> 7 and 2000 are exactly tied, so I don't know which to put first
[06:48] <dan_l> I mean look:  I keep a win 7 partition on my hard drive for one reason
[06:49] <Linkmaster> Probably 7 since 2000 is completely obsolete
[06:49] <dan_l> and that's because I occasionally like to kill some internet dudes
[06:49] <dan_l> you know:  play a game.
[06:49] <Linkmaster> Very true
[06:49] <KerrMD> I have one on mine for those times when Wine will not do
[06:49] <Linkmaster> Which is why I have an XP partition :P
[06:49] <dan_l> I don't have the mental energy to putz with wine
[06:49] <dan_l> i'm just lazy
[06:49] <Linkmaster> Windows = EPIC GAMES
[06:49] <KerrMD> Right now, however, I am good. My WoW works well in wine.
[06:49] <Linkmaster> Linx = everything else
[06:50] <Linkmaster> Oh. Windows also = book printing, if you do that sort of thing
[06:50] <Linkmaster> And Auto*
[06:50] <KerrMD> What aspect of book printing can you not do with Linux?
[06:50] <Linkmaster> Thats about it :P
[06:51] <Linkmaster> Uhh...mass printing? Thats just what I heard, I've never tried it
[06:51] <dan_l> I have a vm xp for running excel and access.
[06:51] <KerrMD> Why not hire a company to do it? There are companies out there right now that print books on demand.
[06:52] <KerrMD> As for printing itself.. if I can get my printer to run on linux then anyone can.
[06:52] <Linkmaster> I've never gotten my printer to work with Linux...though my mom bought this fancy new one I'm planning on tinkering with :P
[06:52] <KerrMD> Oh?
[06:52] <Linkmaster> [wireless that is. Plug it up, works liek a charm]
[06:53] <KerrMD> My mother just got a new one as well. A nice Canon, Pixma MX882
[06:53] <Linkmaster> mine is uhm...a..
[06:53]  * Linkmaster is suffering from CRS
[06:54] <dan_l> Printing support has improved over the last 2 years or so
[06:55] <KerrMD> Oddly, Canon does not offer the linux drivers for her printer on their North america page. Only EU
[06:55] <Linkmaster> Very true, I can hook up my computer to my boarding school printers in...20 or so seconds
[06:56] <Linkmaster> But they use static IP's..which is probably why I have difficulty connecting to the others. I shall use CUPS to make the ones here static as well
[06:56] <KerrMD> Oh, is there a way to make my volume knob on my keyboard control the "main" volume for my system? It does not seem to now. Some things it does, some it does not.
[06:58] <dan_l> kerrmd:  mine did it out of the box
[06:58] <dan_l> check under global shortcuts
[06:59] <KerrMD> I think I will in  the morning. Too late to think too much at the moment. THanks for the poitner
[06:59] <KerrMD> pointer
[07:00] <Linkmaster> I just now read that 'what text editor do you use thing' and I use Kate...its so true
[07:01] <KerrMD> I will have to read that one
[07:01] <dan_l> isn't it true?
[07:01] <dan_l> I did you read MS-Word?
[07:02] <KerrMD> Love it! "Microsoft Word is not a text editor. You should not be allowed near a computer. In fact you are the cancer that is killing the internet. Kill yourself."
[07:02] <Linkmaster> I fell off my bed, I laughed so hard
[07:02] <dan_l> CUZ ITS TRUE!!!
[07:03]  * Linkmaster falls off his bed again due to KerrMD posting it
[07:03] <Linkmaster> dan_l: I saw someone use it once...I saw red for a time
[07:03] <dan_l> oh it's infuriating
[07:04] <Linkmaster> I liked the one about Kate: "You are a hard code KDE user. Kate is not only a robust editor with syntax highlighting – it is also a fully functional KDE component...Because of this you wouldn’t change this editor for any other. In fact, almost every single application that you use on daily basis starts with a K: kontact, kmail, koffice, kopete, kdevelop, konqueror, konsole and etc.. You try to use as few non KDE apps as
[07:04] <Linkmaster> possible. GTK applications piss you off because they clash with your interface, use counter-intuitive file dialogs, and look awkward and unpolished."
[07:04] <KerrMD> Just read that line and I agree
[07:05] <Linkmaster> I use like...three things that aren't KDE based. And I made them look like KDE :P
[07:05] <dan_l> You are a bit like the Notepad user, but you use Ubuntu or Fedora instead of Windows. Gedit is the default, and that’s what you use. It is completely sufficient for editing small config files, and you never really needed stuff like syntax highlighting. It never occurred to you that you could use anything else. The KDE practice of starting names of all their applications with k annoys you.
[07:06] <KerrMD> The only thing as yet that are not kde that I use is Firefox
[07:06] <KerrMD> but I just installed this puppy this morning
[07:06] <Linkmaster> Firefox4 looks pretty darn close to KDE
[07:06] <KerrMD> especially when you get rid of that bloody search bar
[07:06] <Linkmaster> Definitely
[07:07] <Linkmaster> I turn off the menu as well, to make it look akin to Opera
[07:07] <Linkmaster> Though Firefox4 flows more with KDE then Opera ever did
[07:07] <KerrMD> My menu bar goes off, search bar gets nuked
[07:07] <dan_l> yeah have you guys noticed that too?
[07:07] <dan_l> Opera has kind of fallen off the kde wagon
[07:07] <Linkmaster> Hence why I dropped it
[07:07] <KerrMD> I never cared for opera
[07:07] <dan_l> I was just starting to leave firefox
[07:08] <dan_l> for opera.  And then after the last update, Opera looked ugly
[07:08] <dan_l> so I stopped using it
[07:08] <Linkmaster> I use Rekonq for everything but heavy flash
[07:08] <KerrMD> In fact, my tab bars and bookmark bars are on the same horizontal plane
[07:08]  * Linkmaster proves that he is a diehard KDE user
[07:08] <Linkmaster> I don't use those, baha
[07:08] <KerrMD> and that bar is on top as it should be
[07:10] <KerrMD> I was on chrome for a while but came back to FF. I love my noscript, flash-aid, adblock+ etc
[07:10] <dan_l> I can't get used to chrome
[07:11] <KerrMD> lol "Joe
[07:11] <KerrMD> Jey, 1987 called and they want their Word Star key bindings back!"
[07:11] <KerrMD> Why's that dan_l?
[07:11] <Linkmaster> I hate chrome :l
[07:11] <Linkmaster> and I forgot how to nuke the blasted search bar. I used to know, but I forgot
[07:12] <dan_l> I can't quite put my finger on it.
[07:12] <dan_l> I'm irrational about this, I know
[07:12] <KerrMD> right click the tabs bar area and configure
[07:12] <KerrMD> drag the search bar away
[07:12] <Linkmaster> I dislike chrome because it stole all its awesomeness from Opera
[07:12] <Linkmaster> ah yes, thank you!
[07:13] <KerrMD> welcome
[07:14] <dan_l> is that true?
[07:14] <Linkmaster> Fixed it. So much easier with FF4 then it was with 3 or 2
[07:14] <Linkmaster> dan_l: Yeah, did you ever notice that chrome came out AFTER Opera became awesome?
[07:14] <dan_l> Yeah that's actually true.
[07:14] <dan_l> come to think of it.
[07:14] <dan_l> did they just steal the code?
[07:15] <dan_l> aside:  opera mo > fennec if you've got an android phone
[07:15] <Linkmaster> Probably reverse-engineered it then clean-boxed it
[07:15] <Linkmaster> I liked this line about Edit: Vista scares you. It signifies an end of an era and a sad victory of bloat and eye candy over simplicity and functionality.
[07:16] <dan_l> you're right:  after chrome was released
[07:16] <dan_l> opera became relevant again
[07:17] <Linkmaster> Not to mention, Opera never had the powerbase Google has. So when Chrome released their crappy software...well, its like Apple releasing a new iPod/iPhone
[07:19] <Linkmaster> This is what I do with FF4 and KDE though: http://imgur.com/AhKFa
[07:20] <dan_l> sexy.
[07:20] <dan_l> Where did you get the silver amarok tray icon!@?!!??!?!?!!??
[07:20] <dan_l> :)
[07:21] <Linkmaster> From the desktop icon set I use
[07:21] <Linkmaster> I've been planning on editing things, but keep putting it off..I'm planning on getting rid of that crappy green color for skype, and putting in a nice grey/silver
[07:23] <dan_l> bah.  baby is up
[07:23] <dan_l> i'll be back
[07:23] <Linkmaster> alright
[07:25] <KerrMD> Here's mine .. it's a work in progress http://imgur.com/7FPL1
[07:25] <Linkmaster> Heres my desktop: http://imgur.com/IciJS
[07:25] <Linkmaster> KerrMD: I like it. I wish I had a screen as large as yours
[07:26] <KerrMD> THAT's what I forgot to do... I forgot to move my taskbar to the right side
[07:27] <Linkmaster> Heres my Docky settings[plus my only non-KDE related applications]: <img src="http://i.imgur.com/0OcUm.png" alt="" title="Hosted by imgur.com" />
[07:27] <Linkmaster> wow. it totally copied the wrong one
[07:27] <KerrMD> lol
[07:27] <Linkmaster> http://imgur.com/0OcUm
[07:28] <Linkmaster> Docky, LibreOffice, GIMP, annnd....I think those are it :P
[07:28] <Linkmaster> Though GIMP is technically universal, its more GNOME oriented then KDE. I have digiKam, but I have yet to figure out how to use it xD
[07:28] <KerrMD> I was never one for the docky type stuff
[07:29] <Linkmaster> I use it for my most used applications. Easier to move my mouse and click then hit "alt+f2" or using the KMenu
[07:30] <Linkmaster> If you noticed, I had Rekonq, Quassel, Amarok, Konsole, Dolphin, Kate, and LibreOffice listed..those are pretty much the most heavily used things I use
[07:30] <KerrMD> hmm, I had no clue I could have different wigets for different desktops. <grin>
[07:31] <KerrMD> I am really liking kubuntu more and more
[07:31] <Linkmaster> Yeah, thats a nifty little feature they worked in there
[07:32] <Linkmaster> Something that other DE can't do I've noticed
[07:32] <KerrMD> it sucks though that changing that one setting nuked my desktop background but that is easily redone
[07:32] <KerrMD> Nope, they cannot. For whatever reason.
[07:32] <Linkmaster> Yeah, if you turn it off, it resets to whatever preset configuration you had
[07:33] <KerrMD> No worries.
[07:33] <Linkmaster> Oh, can you test something for me?
[07:33] <KerrMD> What's that?
[07:34] <Linkmaster> Usually, double-clicking on the window bar changes from maximized to window-sized, right? Well, on my computer, its making it simply the windows bar. sort of minimizes it, but leaves it up. Can you see if it does the same?
[07:34] <KerrMD> Yes, it works the same as it does in winblows
[07:35] <Linkmaster> Hm, it must be my personal settings somewhere then xd
[07:35] <Linkmaster> *xD
[07:35] <KerrMD> You mean like window blinds?
[07:35]  * Linkmaster is confused now
[07:35] <KerrMD> It rolls up and down if you double click?
[07:35] <Linkmaster> Here, I'll upload it real fast
[07:35] <KerrMD> Mine maximizes and goes back to normal when I double click
[07:37] <KerrMD> afk two shakes
[07:37] <KerrMD> back
[07:41] <Linkmaster> I believe imgur uses something Winblows related
[07:41] <Linkmaster> But here http://imgur.com/XgCVd
[07:42] <KerrMD> Looks like it rolled up. That is a setting. Just a sec and I will find it
[07:42] <Linkmaster> I know its somewhere under 'window behavior' just too lazy to look
[07:42] <Linkmaster> I was just wondering if it was my system exclusive, or universal
[07:43] <KerrMD> It's not that way by default, if that is what you mean.
[07:44] <Linkmaster> Yeah, that was all :P
[07:45] <Linkmaster> I should probably go to sleep soon...I hate being nocturnal
[07:46] <KerrMD> I'm fighting that myself
[07:49] <KerrMD> Well, it was fun but I'm off. Have a good evening.
[07:49] <Linkmaster> You too, sleep well
[08:09] <c-c-m> hello, I'm having trouble with flash and firefox. It used to work and after an update it stopped working. I made sure to check kpackagekit and I have flashplayer installed
[08:09] <c-c-m> can anyone tell me what to do?
[08:13] <Who> c-c-m:  get flash aid plugin
[08:13] <Who> and execute it
[08:13] <Who> it will fix the problem
[08:20] <c-c-m> thx Who
[08:23] <c-c-m> by the way: what's get flash aid plugin
[08:23] <c-c-m> ?
[08:23] <giantpune> hey, does anybody know about these "activities" things?  i have installed kubuntu and on the side of my desktop there is a little tab that says "new activity".  i can move this tab around the edge of the screen, but i cannot seem to hide or remove it
[08:24] <asraniel> giantpune: i'm not sure what you are talking about. can you show a screenshot?
[08:25] <c-c-m> ok, I see what it is
[08:28] <giantpune> asraniel, http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/107/snapshot1veo.png
[08:28] <giantpune> its that little tab on the left
[08:41] <c-c-m> giantpune: I wonder what activities are
[08:41] <c-c-m> I guess it allows to change configuration according to certain activities, but I'm not sure
[08:48] <jebula> Hi I just installed the kubuntu 11.04 and i get the launcher that is like a netbook remix layout. is there a way to make it look like the traditional KDE layout?
[08:50] <jussi> jebula: system settings -> workspace behaviour -> workspace -> workspace type -> desktop
[08:52] <jebula> jussi, i do not see the workspace after the workspace behavior section
[08:54] <jussi> jebula: on the left? its a category?
[08:54] <jebula> jussi, just these: task switcher, window behavior, window rules
[08:55] <jussi> jebula: could you post ascreen shot ?
[08:56] <jussi> jebula: ahh, looks like you are in window behaviour, not workspace behaviour?
[08:56] <jebula> jussi: http://imageshack.us/f/42/snapshot1da.png/
[08:57] <jussi> jebula: yeah, what I said before
[08:57] <jebula> jussi, lol sleepy
[08:57] <jussi> :)
[08:58] <jussi> jebula: all good now=?
[08:58] <jebula> jussi, yeah
[08:58] <jebula> can't stand the fancy massive icons for odl people
[08:58] <jebula> old*
[08:59] <jussi> :)
[08:59] <jebula> jussi, there  a way to make the desktop a standard drag n drop zone not a widget zone?
[09:00] <jussi> jebula: old windows style?  of course... one sec
[09:00] <jebula> i miss old kde 3.5 :)
[09:02] <jussi> ok, right click the desktop -> desktop settings -> view -> layout -> folderview (it uses the desktop folder by default iirc)
[09:03] <jebula> jussi, thanks again
[09:03] <jebula> now i can learn to love kde again
[09:03] <jussi> jebula: :)
[09:03] <jebula> typically i use xfce
[09:03] <jussi> jebula: any other stuff just ask :)
[09:03] <jebula> should be it everything else i need i can do from shell :P
[09:05] <jebula> jussi, they have really improved kde from version 4.* - this one much less resource bloating
[09:06] <jebula> jussi, know how to disable touchpad while typing?
[09:12] <jussi> jebula: sorry, this I dont know.
[09:18] <lexsmooth> как пишется русский канал?
[09:19] <lexsmooth> russian channel?
[09:19] <lexsmooth> whererussian channel?
[09:19] <lexsmooth> where russian channel?*
[09:22] <lexsmooth> как попасть на русский канал?
[09:24] <Belial> !ru
[09:24] <Belial> :)
[09:53] <Magnusson> anyone running conky that can help me get started?
[11:25] <Guest32463> lol
[11:26] <Guest32463> anyone here with much of experience in java or eclipse?
[12:33] <gorio> could anyone help me how to install glibc-devel on Ubuntu 11.04 x84_64 ?
[12:39] <tsimpson> gorio: just install the "build-essential" package
[12:47] <gorio> tsimpson: when i try to install ou update, i saw the message that doesn't have updates an mine is newer
[12:48] <tsimpson> gorio: then you already have it installed I guess
[12:50] <gorio> tsimpson: but when i run ltib i got message that isn't installed
[12:51] <gorio> i'm using Ubuntu x64 11.04
[12:51] <tsimpson> what is "ltib"?
[12:51] <gorio> glibc-devel            0             not installed
[12:51] <tsimpson> it's not called "glibc-devel", it's libc6-dev
[12:52] <gorio> i need use ltib to compile BSP of i.MX51 kit from Freescale
[13:09] <ehsan> socks proxy on kde 4.6?
[13:24] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:34] <tdn> How do I get digikam 2.0 in Kubuntu 11.04? Is there a PPA?
[13:36] <bigjools> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=digikam
[13:36] <bigjools> kubuntu-backports has a digikam2 package in it
[13:37] <bigjools> ah that's maverick, my bad
[15:25] <kevin_b> Ahoy KDE Hackz0rs :)
[15:40] <danilo_> ciao a tutti
[15:42] <tyler_d> how do you insert the date/time in kate or kwrite?
[15:48] <Chotaz^> Is it possible to change from ubuntu to kubuntu without losing any configs at all?
[15:57] <DarthFrog> Chotaz^: What kind of configs?  KDE?
[16:20] <simion314> hi, is it possible to restart the sound system?  ifafter skype or some other stupid apps makes some notification sound my other sounds will sound like they are under a thumbnail(broken)
[16:21] <daskreech> yes
[16:23] <santo> salve
[16:24] <santo> |list
[16:26] <kavurt> simion314: do you have pulseaudio intalled? it creates a lot of trouble.
[16:26] <simion314> kavurt: i have the defaults
[16:27] <simion314> i think pulse audio and gstreamer are defaults now
[16:27] <kavurt> i would uninstall pulseaudio. that fixes my sound issues always.
[16:28] <tyler_d> simion314: rcalsasound restart
[16:28] <tyler_d> simion314: are you using alsa or pulse?
[16:29] <simion314> tyler_d: i am not sure, i am on kubuntu 11.04 and i think pulseaudio is default, i will have to check
[16:30] <tyler_d> simion314: I agree with kavurt then, its default pulse
[16:30] <tyler_d> simion314: which imho is garbage... replace it with alsa and get rid of pulse
[16:31] <simion314> tyler_d: they say that pulse is not buggy but the drivers,and pulse just makes this bugs visible
[16:35] <daskreech> simion314: Similar issue with KDE and video drivers. Doesn't stop people from not usng KDE cause it's just too buggy :)
[16:35] <simion314> daskreech: yes, unfortunetly i have problems with the ATI opensource driver
[16:36] <mfraz74> There seem to be problems with some Intel video drivers too
[16:36] <daskreech> Which card?
[16:37] <simion314> i will try to replace pulse audio with alsa, is it simple?
[16:38] <simion314> daskreech: not sure,but  if i watch a  flash video fullscreen then my computer will freze when exiting fullscreen,very ugly bug
[16:38] <simion314> i just have to remember to not watch full screen
[16:38] <daskreech> Ow. at least it's replicable and easily sidestepped
[16:38] <mfraz74> simion314: I had that happen when I came out of an OpenGL screensaver
[16:38] <daskreech> I remember a kwin bug where alt+tab would freeze everthing
[16:38] <daskreech> that sucked
[16:39] <daskreech> mfraz74: most likely it's the same bug
[16:39] <mfraz74> daskreech: solved it by adding the xorg ppa
[16:39] <simion314> and it must be in the driver ,other kind of program could not crash the entire system
[16:40] <mfraz74> daskreech: no that was another bug. I solved it by enabling effects in full screen
[16:40] <simion314> i also thinked about installing xorg-edgers ppa but i could get other bugs from that version
[16:40] <daskreech> simion314: should not. :)
[16:41] <simion314> daskreech: i do not know a way to crash my sytem with a c++ program
[16:45] <rav_> hello. i just upgraded to maverick and now my printer is not working. hplip sees the printer and gives me status of it, but won't even print the test page. is this a bug?
[16:54] <DarkriftX> ok, my wm just crashed, i forgot how to restart it via command line (I still have a terminal window open)
[16:55] <DarkriftX> actually, i dont think its the window manager, its whatever creates the desktop/panels in kde4
[16:57] <daskreech> DarkriftX: can you move the windows around?
[16:57] <daskreech> Or is the wallpaper and so on gone?
[16:58] <DarkriftX> yes
[16:58] <DarkriftX> wallpaper, "kicker" and sidebar are gone
[16:58] <tsimpson> run plasma-desktop (or "kdeinit4_wrapper plasma-desktop")
[16:58] <daskreech> plasma-desktop
[16:58] <DarkriftX> if i run that from term will it run in the background?
[16:58] <daskreech> should
[16:58] <daskreech> You can background it in any case
[16:58] <tsimpson> "kdeinit4_wrapper plasma-desktop" forces it into background and means you can close the terminal etc
[17:00] <DarkriftX> there we go, thats what i needed
[17:01] <DarkriftX> ok, i killed kwin when i did that
[17:02] <DarkriftX> because i had restarted kwin via that terminal lol
[17:03] <DarkriftX> ok, got it figured out
[17:04] <DarkriftX> re-ran kwin --replace in a new terminal tab, then with kwin running i could use the "run command" kde feature, where i ran kwin --replace again :P
[17:04] <DarkriftX> im sure that is NOT the best way to do it, but it worked
[17:07] <daskreech> DarkriftX:  It's linux. as long as you can get it to work your way it's good
[17:07] <DarkriftX> :P
[17:07] <daskreech> may not be Great or GRRRRRRRREAT! but :)
[17:25] <KerrMD> Morning all
[17:26] <Linkmaster> Hey hey
[17:26] <KerrMD> How goes it this moring Link?
[17:26] <Linkmaster> Quite fine, yourself Kerr?
[17:27] <KerrMD> Could be much worse but could stand to go quite a bit better as well.
[17:27] <tyler_d> skype does not work with pulse... deja-vu anyone?
[17:27] <Linkmaster> Thats how it usually is though, haha
[17:27] <Linkmaster> And tyler_d how does it not work? Just the mic or?
[17:28] <tyler_d> Linkmaster: the sound fails; call-outs fail; chat fails. and with 0 error messages, it just hangs
[17:28] <tyler_d> Linkmaster: with the exception of chat; which simply comes up with the yellow triangle thingy
[17:29]  * Linkmaster believes this is just because skype hates Linux, and thus makes it hard for us Linux users to use it
[17:29] <KerrMD> I think it's because M$ bought Skype and it's a consipracy.
[17:29] <daskreech> I don't think they hate Linux. They just don't really care
[17:30] <KerrMD> Conspiracy too
[17:30] <tyler_d> I would agree with all of thse
[17:30] <tyler_d> since I submitted the logging(which they encrypt btw)
[17:30] <Linkmaster> Enough of the large companies don't make it any easier for us Linux users. By default, if you're neglecting a userbase, you aren't fond of them in any way
[17:31] <Linkmaster> Exactly. Why encrypt a logging when people can make it better?
[17:31] <Linkmaster> -the evils of closed source-
[17:31] <tyler_d> the problem however is that skype is really unparallel with any other video app out there.... even ekiga, though good, is ultimately a softphone
[17:32] <tyler_d> because of how skype handles packets and communication. however I agree; too much secrecy.
[17:32]  * Linkmaster thinks he should make a video app made for Linux that can interact with skype users
[17:32] <tyler_d> there is a plugin for pidgin
[17:33] <tyler_d> I haven't tried it, but it exists
[17:33]  * Linkmaster doesn't use pidgin
[17:33] <tyler_d> reverse engineering.. save you some time.
[17:34] <Linkmaster> Yep, I'd simply reverse engineer it, then clean-box it releasing it under the GPL license
[17:35] <daskreech> Fedora beat you to it
[17:35] <Linkmaster> Really? Good for them! :D
[17:37] <BluesKaj> wonder if we can convert it to a deb with alien :)
[17:37] <Linkmaster> daskreech: care to link me to something so I can view it?
[17:37] <Linkmaster> Or using the source code..isn't it possible to turn a .tar.gz/bz2 file into a .deb file?
[17:38] <daskreech> Linkmaster: that's how you get deb files
[17:38] <Pici> You can use checkinstall to convert a compiled program into a deb file, but thats not really meant for redistribution to other users.
[17:38] <Linkmaster> I figured as much..never quite learned how though..I'm still trying to successfully install something from source still Dx
[17:39] <daskreech> You tried with hello world?
[17:39] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, itshouldn't be necessary if it's a tar file ...sometime RH/fedora rpms their fies to make them proprirtary due to redhat' s enterprise greed
[17:39] <daskreech> Linkmaster: http://www.gnu.org/software/hello/
[17:39] <Linkmaster> Don't you love the .rpm files? :l
[17:40] <daskreech> BluesKaj: To be fair to them they live in a very dirty world
[17:40] <Peace-> :S
[17:40]  * Linkmaster laughs
[17:45] <pastyhermit> hrm...
[17:45] <pastyhermit> I need to bakcup my ... thinkpad so I can put kubuntu on it...
[17:45] <daskreech> pastyhermit: What's on it now?
[17:45] <pastyhermit> Im running in a VM but the UI is sluggish, I enabled HW acceleration
[17:45] <pastyhermit> Windows 7 x64
[17:46] <daskreech> how much space do you have?
[17:46] <KerrMD> I smell a possible dual boot
[17:46] <tyler_d> gross
[17:46] <KerrMD> lol
[17:46] <pastyhermit> (I know the installer will resize the partition) the problem is I want to move my 7200 RPM drive off my laptop and reinstall my 5400RPM drive so I can get my battery back.
[17:46] <tyler_d> just saying that makes me feel a bit dirty
[17:47] <tyler_d> battery? what?
[17:47] <KerrMD> How much do you have to backup?
[17:47] <pastyhermit> tyler_d: my 72Krpm drive eats my battery!
[17:47] <pastyhermit> 100G
[17:47] <tyler_d> pastyhermit: gotcha
[17:47] <pastyhermit> we will see how it goes...
[17:47] <KerrMD> Uncompressed?
[17:47] <pastyhermit> I just need to take the time to do it.
[17:47] <pastyhermit> compressions xuz
[17:47] <pastyhermit> sux
[17:47] <tyler_d> grab an external and go to town
[17:48] <tyler_d> back it up and nuke that bad-boy
[17:49] <tyler_d> anyone know how to get a date/time stamp to insert in kwrite or kate?... ie. like good 'ole notepad when you press f5 and it inserts it
[17:49] <Linkmaster> It might be somewhere in the keybindigns..though I've never needed it
[17:49] <pastyhermit> tyler_d: lol I will
[17:50] <pastyhermit> Which is more efficient in terms of the UI and resource usage, Gnome or KDE?
[17:50] <Linkmaster> pastyhermit: Yeah, be sure to nuke it. >:D
[17:50] <tyler_d> pastyhermit: new installs excite me...
[17:50] <Linkmaster> pastyhermit: Uhm..depends. Do you want simplicity or Power?
[17:51] <pastyhermit> simplicity
[17:51] <daskreech> pastyhermit: Depends on how you use them. Gnome uses less at start but KDE has far far more shared infrastructure
[17:51] <pastyhermit> tyler_d: lol
[17:51] <Linkmaster> No, it doesn't depend. Go KDE. Oh..you want simplicty, do Gnome
[17:51] <pastyhermit> how do I fix rekonq it keeps asking me to download safari.jsp and its REALLY ANNOYING
[17:51] <daskreech> pastyhermit: if you don't do a lot then GNOME might be better but you would really want to look at xfce or Lxde for low footprint desktops
[17:52] <daskreech>  or better drop desktops at all and just use a wm
[17:52] <Linkmaster> pastyhermit: I think thats a bug somewhere, I'm getting that as well
[17:52] <tertl3> openbox ftw
[17:52] <Linkmaster> daskreech: haha
[17:52] <tyler_d> drop all of that, do windows 3.1
[17:52] <tertl3> lol
[17:52] <daskreech> If you do a lot of work with things going on at the same time KDE will end up using a lot less since most of it is shared and available
[17:52] <tertl3> no better yet do freedos
[17:53] <daskreech> I need to install freedos on my USB
[17:53] <tertl3> why?
[17:53] <tyler_d> oooh... freedos
[17:53] <tyler_d> cause he can
[17:53] <tertl3> oh fair enough
[17:53] <tertl3> lol
[17:54] <tertl3> hey
[17:54] <tyler_d> hey
[17:54] <tertl3> var1 /= var2
[17:54] <daskreech> My BIOS won't boot from USB unless it's a DOS MBR
[17:55] <Linkmaster> Thats depressing
[17:55] <tyler_d> if you get it up and running, thats kinda hot
[17:55] <daskreech> Or exciting if you are tyler_d
[17:55] <daskreech> See ^^^
[17:55] <tertl3> i tried freedos in qemu
[17:56] <tertl3> its no fun
[17:56] <tyler_d> playing frisbee with old laptops is a good time
[17:57] <KerrMD> Nah, use some old aohell <cough> I mean aol cd's.
[17:57] <daskreech> Says someone who have never caught a dell Desktop replacement in the teeth
[17:57] <KerrMD> lol
[17:58] <tyler_d> lmao
[17:59] <tyler_d> while we are talking about laptops.... recommended? looking for around 1500?...
[18:02] <Linkmaster> NOT anything by Lenovo
[18:04] <BluesKaj> I tried that hello install...the install worked without any glitches , butn the app doesn't launch , even after placing the exe in /usr/bin
[18:07] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: I'm about to try it
[18:08] <BluesKaj> it's just that hello world thing afaik Linkmaster
[18:09] <BluesKaj> or maybe not , but I could n't  launch it
[18:09] <Linkmaster> oh well
[18:09] <Linkmaster> I'm still going to try
[18:09] <BluesKaj> ok :)
[18:09] <Linkmaster> I'm probably going to also try LFS as soon as I get a toy computer to play with
[18:11] <daskreech> BluesKaj: the exe ?
[18:11] <Linkmaster> No, Linux From Scratch
[18:13] <KerrMD> Anyone familiar enough with Quassel to tell me if it is possible to display two rooms from the same server (ie: #kubuntu and #ubuntu) in a side by side split-screen?
[18:13] <BluesKaj> daskreech, yeah the executable
[18:13] <daskreech> BluesKaj: what happens when you run it?
[18:14] <daskreech> (and how are you running it?)
[18:14] <Linkmaster> I haven't yet run it, I think it installed funny
[18:14] <BluesKaj> daskreech, nothing
[18:14] <daskreech> How did you rn it?
[18:14] <daskreech> run
[18:14] <Linkmaster> I punched in "make && make install" and am looking over the install process. at the very end, there are a couple errors
[18:15] <daskreech> pastebin
[18:17] <Linkmaster> daskreech: https://crypty.ch/p/zPrR6pHP#045cad5855de4fa0834fc7aa56114c5d
[18:17] <Linkmaster> I posted the entire installation, but the errors generated towards the bottom
[18:18] <Pici> Generally you need to run make install with sudo, unless you specify a different install path that your user has access to.
[18:18] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, did you run ./configure first ?
[18:19] <Pici> The errors are all permission errors.
[18:19] <Linkmaster> Of course, I haven't yet not run ./configure before installing something
[18:19] <Pici> Unless I'm missing an error.
[18:19] <Linkmaster> So should I uninstall it, 'make' then 'sudo make install'? Last tiem I tried installing things with sudo, my system was royally screwed
[18:20] <BluesKaj> always sudo make install
[18:20] <Pici> Thats why I suggested using checkinstall, it can help remove the package if things go a bit sideways
[18:20] <daskreech> Linkmaster: if you want it installed system wide. Yo ucan install it selfcontained in a dir in your home if you lke
[18:20] <Pici> !checkinstall
[18:20] <daskreech> then to uninstall it you just delete that directory
[18:21] <Linkmaster> that makes sense
[18:21] <Linkmaster> Okay, let me uninstall it from the config stuff, then reinstall it
[18:21] <daskreech> You need to run configure and tell it where you want it to go
[18:23] <Linkmaster> well...I 'make uninstall', then 'make' again, then 'sudo make install' annnnd...I tried putting in 'hello' in the konsole, and it simply spat out "Hello, World!" xP
[18:23] <daskreech> It works then
[18:23] <Linkmaster> Yep. Sort of boring though :P
[18:24] <Pici> make uninstall isn't guaranteed to exist though.
[18:24] <Linkmaster> and if I run 'sudo make uninstall' it'll get rid of everything?
[18:24] <daskreech> Linkmaster: try man hello
[18:24] <Linkmaster> sure
[18:25] <Linkmaster> Ooo, typing in hello -n made it fancy
[18:37] <daskreech> Linkmaster: You can pass it your own messages as well
[18:37] <daskreech> BluesKaj: Got it to work?
[18:37] <Linkmaster> wait, what??
[18:38] <BluesKaj> daskreech, yeah, but I was mistaken about the app ..I thought it had to do with the fedora skype clone :)
[18:38] <BluesKaj> hello world ..like who cares :)
[18:43]  * Linkmaster is confused 
[18:48] <daskreech> BluesKaj: no source for that yet that works as far as I know
[18:49] <tyler_d> ok, so it looks like I missed a whole bunch of.... well confusing stuff.
[18:49] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, you were asking earlier about linux skype... my experience with the static version is quite good , works quite well on my setup
[18:49] <tyler_d> BluesKaj: not with pulseaudio and 11.04
[18:49] <Linkmaster> ^^
[18:50] <BluesKaj> tyler_d, oh really, I'm on 11.04 , no probs
[18:50] <Linkmaster> My mic died awhile ago, yet it works in windows. Linux also recognizes my mic, since pavucontrol and pulseaudio both show its there. I gave up trying to use it though, so when I want to make a call, I sadly boot into winblows
[18:50] <tyler_d> BluesKaj: with alsa I'm willing to bet...
[18:50] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, pulseaudio raises it's ugly head again
[18:51] <BluesKaj> tyler_d, yup
[18:51] <Linkmaster> I tried alsa as well D:
[18:51] <tyler_d> lol, I fought with it for quite soem time
[18:51] <Linkmaster> I think..been awhile since I'd done anything lately
[18:51] <tyler_d> but in the end its always alsa
[18:51] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, check the capture ctrls
[18:51] <Linkmaster> I'll monkey with it again
[18:52] <daskreech> Linkmaster: Jump into the alsa irc chan
[18:52] <daskreech>  they are really helpful
[18:52] <Linkmaster> maybe upgradign to 11.04 will help. though the odd thing is that it stopped working halfway through a call
[19:02] <Linkmaster> Hm..its nice to know that Kopete can access skype, but only when its already running. Which serves no functional purpose, since I thought I could get rid of that stupid green thing that skype shows
[19:04] <daskreech> Well you can hide it with the KDE sys tray
[19:04] <BluesKaj> I discovered something yesterday that's been uging me for a while about alsa and it wasn't even an alsa setting problem . It was VLC audio settings that was preventing the Dolby Digital , DTS and other digital movie audio tracks from being passed to my receiver dac inputs
[19:07] <BluesKaj> for some reason the vlc default is analog , which then converts to digital, kinda dumb when the tracks are natively digital
[19:07] <daskreech> Ah Wonder why it did that
[19:08] <BluesKaj> so if tou're using pulse audio with vlc the tracks are converted three times before reaching amplification to the speakers
[19:09] <Linkmaster> Sounds...pointless?
[19:09] <BluesKaj> absolutely
[19:09]  * Linkmaster is glad that he uses Gstreamer
[19:09] <BluesKaj> gstreamer won't make any difference
[19:10] <BluesKaj> unless you're not using pulseaudio
[19:10] <Linkmaster> true..
[19:10] <BluesKaj> ok , time to check the postbox/mail
[19:17]  * BluesKaj uses the vlc backend plugin
[19:18]  * Peace- think is a good thing BluesKaj
[19:18] <Peace-> thinks
[19:18] <Peace-> xD
[19:19] <BluesKaj> well, Peace- VLC is my default media player
[19:20] <BluesKaj> ok , yardwork to do ..grass needs cutting...later folks
[19:20] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i have cut it before !
[19:20] <Peace-> :D
[19:22] <jozefk> I can't decide to go for K or X ubuntu :)
[19:22] <Peace-> jozefk: ok , i will be the answer
[19:23] <Peace-> jozefk: http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/macstyle2.jpeg
[19:23] <Peace-> jozefk: or http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/gnome-defaltt-panel-kde.gif
[19:26] <jozefk> Peace-: both are KDE right ? :))
[19:26] <Peace-> jozefk: yes
[19:26] <Peace-> it's pretty easy to do
[19:28] <jozefk> I like the network manager in xubuntu but I like how KDE 4.6.2 looks like. don't know which network manager is used in Kubuntu though
[19:28] <Peace-> jozefk: there are 3
[19:29] <Peace-> jozefk: the knetworkmanager tthat sucks
[19:29] <Peace-> jozefk: then there is the widget  that should rock
[19:29] <jozefk> yeah I know that guy :)
[19:29] <Peace-> jozefk: then,  wicd-kde
[19:29] <jozefk> widget?
[19:29] <jozefk> I don't know about that
[19:29] <Peace-> the default one is a widget i mean a plasmoid
[19:29] <jozefk> wicd I don't really like
[19:30] <Peace-> wicd-kde is essential for static ip
[19:30] <Peace-> and i guess even for hidden essid
[19:30] <Peace-> the default one can't manage well static ip
[19:30] <jozefk> you want to say they are all in use ?
[19:30] <Peace-> nope
[19:31] <Peace-> the default one is the plasmoid
[19:31] <Peace-> but it suck for hidden network
[19:31] <Peace-> there is a easy fix for the hidden network
[19:31] <Peace-> instead with wicd-kde there are no issues
[19:32] <Peace-> jozefk: do you use hidden network ? yes ==> install wicd-kde , no ==> Keep the standard network manager that kubuntu install
[19:33] <jozefk> I don't need hidden network but what I like about gnome network manager is this:http://davidzhang.webs.com/apps/blog/show/5725746-how-to-bridge-an-ethernet-connection-with-a-wireless-connection-on-linux
[19:34] <Peace-> jozefk: dunno , this is the plasmoid one http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/20/plasma-desktopCm1711.jpg
[19:34] <daskreech> jozefk: you can do that now
[19:35] <jozefk> yes that's the default one. it's fine but missing that feature from the link above
[19:35] <jozefk> can do that now?
[19:35] <jozefk> how?
[19:37] <daskreech> jozefk: Should be more explicit. in KDE 4.7 :) If yo uare running trunk it's there
[19:37] <daskreech> Across BT phones as well
[19:38] <Peace-> daskreech: hahaha cheater
[19:38] <jozefk> trunk? I have KDE4.6.3 right now. and don't know what is that trunk :)
[19:38] <daskreech> jozefk: It's what KDE 4.6.3 drips off of
[19:39] <daskreech> familiar with Programming or open source workflows?
[19:40] <jozefk> I know what programming is :)
[19:40] <jozefk> open source workflows? like what?
[19:40] <daskreech> Like how they collaborate or when they know that something is version 2.56 or version 2.5.6
[19:40] <jozefk> in KDE4.6.3 I don't see that feature
[19:41] <daskreech> jozefk: They are not allowed to put in new features in a 0.0.X release
[19:41] <jozefk> don't know
[19:41] <daskreech> have to wait till 4.7
[19:41] <jozefk> aha
[19:42] <jozefk> how do you know it will be available in 4.7?
[19:42] <Peace-> he compiled
[19:42] <Peace-> it
[19:42] <Peace-> so it has something like 4.6.3+future
[19:42] <Peace-> xD
[19:44] <daskreech> jozefk: cause it exists already
[19:44] <daskreech> It's just waiting till KDE 4.7
[19:45] <jozefk> ok were i can see that?
[19:46] <daskreech> For a non code compile way you can probably check out binner's live CD from openSuse they build trunk every 6 weeks or so
[19:46] <daskreech> THough I think that feature may only be 4 weeks old
[19:47] <daskreech> or you can compile KDE yourself which is a trial by fire but a very rewarding entertaining one
[19:47] <Peace-> daskreech: nah
[19:47] <Peace-> i have created a lots of debian packages
[19:48] <Peace-> without problems
[19:48] <jozefk> why don't you just show me the screenshot? :)
[19:48] <daskreech> Peace-: The very first time you ever tried to compile a program?
[19:48] <daskreech> jozefk: Grab the RSS for planetkde.org
[19:48] <daskreech> It's sure to make you hate KDE developers
[19:48] <Peace-> daskreech: well the fist time i ddidn't know cpack
[19:50] <daskreech> jozefk: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/ is a good pretty regular blogger about networking in KDE
[19:50] <daskreech> Nice guy too
[19:50] <Peace-> daskreech: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/03/09/ksnapshot-send-to-doesnt-work/
[19:51] <daskreech> Peace-: Yes?
[19:51] <Peace-> daskreech: copy paste use cpakc = made debian :D
[19:51] <Peace-> with dependencies
[19:51]  * daskreech loves packagers :)
[19:59] <Linkmaster> Any of you know how Koffice compares to LibreOffice?
[20:02] <Peace-> Linkmaster: mm
[20:02] <Peace-> krita is not too bad , i think it's better that gimp
[20:02] <Peace-> for the interface
[20:02] <Peace-> the others i dunno
[20:02] <Linkmaster> Thats actually exactly why I asked :P
[20:03] <Linkmaster> LibreOffice is..sketchy. MSWord can't open anything in a .odt anymore, sadly. I'll try Koffice and see what happens
[20:07] <jozefk> openoffice and libreoffice I don't know if there is any difference
[20:07] <Linkmaster> I heard there was some fallout about it, which is why 11.04 switched over to it
[20:07] <Peace-> openoffice is oracle
[20:08] <Peace-> libreoffice community
[20:08] <Linkmaster> I know that libreoffice is derived from openoffice
[20:08] <Peace-> yes
[20:08] <Peace-> oracle wanted lead openoffice and make it not so much open as before
[20:08] <Peace-> so ...
[20:09] <Peace-> community has forked openoffice so it si born libreoffice
[20:09] <jozefk> ok those are nothing to do with functionality and the software itself :)
[20:09] <daskreech> Peace-: No oracle wanted it exactly as open as it was before
[20:09] <daskreech>  problem was people hated it from before
[20:10] <jozefk> I am also afraid of netbeans now :)
[20:11] <Peace-> daskreech: nope oracle was doing something of weird with the code...
[20:11] <daskreech> Peace-: no they were not
[20:12] <jozefk> they start developing jdeveloper something like that. so I guess netbeans will go also :)
[20:12] <daskreech> They were continuing what Sun was doing for years. Sun had made a promise to stop doing somethings. Oracle said they were just going to continue so people went and made their own project
[20:13] <KerrMD> <crosses fingers> It is going to take forever for PWI to complete its update.
[20:14] <jozefk> sun did great things. oracle is kind of care about money only. reminds me of skype :))
[20:14] <daskreech> Yep i was really sad they sold off the company
[20:14] <Linkmaster> Oh gosh...skype Dx
[20:14] <jozefk> :D
[20:15] <Linkmaster> there was a big discussion on that earlier, KerrMD was involved with it, and maybe daskreech as well
[20:15] <KerrMD> I didn
[20:15] <KerrMD> I didn't do it, nobody saw me, can't prove a thing!
[20:16] <jozefk> LOL
[20:16] <Linkmaster> You sure abotu that Kerr? >.>
[20:17] <KerrMD> It's big brother spying on me I tell ya...
[20:17] <Linkmaster> [12:29:52] <KerrMD> I think it's because M$ bought Skype and it's a consipracy.
[20:17] <Linkmaster> :D
[20:17] <gorioBR> could anyone help me to allow this folder ? stat: impossível obter estado de `/home/gorio/.gvfs/': Permissão negada
[20:17] <KerrMD> You'll never catch me alive, copper... yeah..
[20:18] <jozefk> skype was years behind the windows/mac version, on linux. now it will be even worse if it will be at all
[20:18] <daskreech> gorioBR: Who owns it?
[20:19] <Linkmaster> perhaps chown gorio /home/gorio/.gvfs/?
[20:19] <Linkmaster> * sudo chown gorio /home/gorio/.gvfs/?
[20:19] <gorioBR> daskreech me
[20:19] <daskreech> gorioBR: what is the permissions on it?
[20:20] <gorioBR> chown: impossível acessar `/home/gorio/.gvfs/': Permissão negada
[20:20] <tsimpson> gorioBR: what does "ls -ld /home/gorio/.gvfs/" show?
[20:20] <Linkmaster> type in 'ls -al' so we can see the permissions
[20:21] <Linkmaster> Ah, tsimpson got me to it
[20:21] <gorioBR> tsimpson: dr-x------ 2 gorio gorio 0 2011-05-20 16:05 /home/gorio/.gvfs/
[20:22] <tsimpson> and what does "whoami" say?
[20:22] <daskreech> gorioBR: As a question. What are you doing with the directory?
[20:23] <gorioBR> when i compile LTIB i got this error
[20:23] <gorioBR> error: failed to stat /home/gorio/.gvfs: Permission denied
[20:23] <tsimpson> what does "whoami" say is your user??
[20:24] <gorioBR> gorio
[20:24] <gorioBR> i'm trying to compile it in /opt/freescale/ltib
[20:25] <Linkmaster> you'll need to run that as 'sudo' to compile it to a system folder
[20:25] <tsimpson> well, other than it not having write permission, it should be fine, but I have no idea why compiling something would need to stat ~/.gvfs ...
[20:25] <daskreech> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gvfs/+bug/225361
[20:26] <gorioBR> yes
[20:26] <jozefk> i'm going to try both live cds and see how it looks and works :)
[20:26] <gorioBR> when i try to compile it with sudo, i got the same error
[20:26] <tsimpson> is there a reason other users need access to anything in someone elses $HOME?
[20:27] <gorioBR> no
[20:27] <gorioBR> how to set my user to get access as root ?
[20:28] <tsimpson> there is no reason it should be attempting to access ~/(anything)
[20:29] <tsimpson> if you are compiling something in /opt, try doing "sudo -Hi" first, then cd /opt/whatever and compile from there
[20:30] <daskreech> gorioBR:  the bug stops even root getting the directory
[20:30] <gorioBR> no
[20:31] <gorioBR> i got the same error as root
[20:31] <gorioBR> and i cant install LTIB as root
[20:31] <tsimpson> daskreech: when running in gnome (or certain gnome apps) ~/.gvfs is a fuse FS that does similar things to what KIO-slaves do in KDE
[20:31] <tsimpson> so *only* the user that "mounted" it has any access
[20:31] <daskreech> gorioBR: that's what I just said. It's a bug that affects even the root user so root won't help you
[20:32] <daskreech> tsimpson: I know what it is :) just saying that whatever he's instaling seems to care about that dir or perhaps all of his ~ so he's going to have to ignore the errors somehow
[20:33] <daskreech> assuming that gorioBR  is a he
[20:33] <gorioBR> root@gorio-linux:/opt/freescale/ltib# ./ltib -c
[20:33] <gorioBR> You should not be root when running ltib, do you really
[20:33] <gorioBR> want to continue ?  y|N
[20:33] <tsimpson> don't run it as root then
[20:33] <tsimpson> you said you were compiling something, not running something
[20:33] <gomiboy> gorioBR: chmod o+w .gvfs compile then revert permissions back with chmod o-w .gvfs
[20:34] <gorioBR> yes tsimpson, just compile
[20:34] <tsimpson> it says "when running ltib", that isn't compiling then
[20:34] <gorioBR> gorio@gorio-linux:/opt/freescale/ltib$ sudo chmod o+w /home/gorio/.gvfs/
[20:34] <gorioBR> chmod: impossível acessar `/home/gorio/.gvfs/': Permissão negada
[20:35] <gomiboy> gorioBR: no sudo
[20:35] <tsimpson> I'll say it again, to be clear: *NOTHING* should need any access to ~/(anything) when compiling. if it does, then it's wrong.
[20:36] <tsimpson> running something, on the other hand, may do
[20:36] <gomiboy> tsimpson: you are right, but the problem persist :P
[20:37] <daskreech> gomiboy: tsimpson is just trying to see if this is happening when compilng or running
[20:37] <daskreech> f it's on compile some more investigation is warranted
[20:37] <gorioBR> init/version.o: Permission denied
[20:37] <gorioBR> make[1]: *** [init/version.o] Error 1
[20:37] <gorioBR> make: *** [init] Error 2
[20:37] <gorioBR> make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
[20:37] <gorioBR> make: *** wait: No child processes.  Stop.
[20:37] <FloodBotK1> gorioBR: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:37] <gorioBR> error: Bad exit status from /opt/freescale/ltib/tmp/rpm-tmp.38147 (%build)
[20:38] <tsimpson> then it's evil, complain to the developers
[20:38] <gorioBR> sorry
[20:38] <daskreech> tsimpson: you'll note that it's not touching ~ in the compile
[20:39] <gorioBR> http://paste.ubuntu.com/610762/
[20:39] <gomiboy> gorioBR: are you compiling as 'gorio' or with sudo now?
[20:39] <gorioBR> gorio
[20:40] <gomiboy> tryed with sudo before?
[20:40] <jozefk> is this kde vanilla?
[20:40] <daskreech> rpmbuild is interesting :)
[20:40] <tsimpson> apparently the ./ltib is a script used to compile it, it seems to (for some reason) access ~, hence it's evilness
[20:42] <gorioBR> is there anyway to set my user level as root lvl ?
[20:42] <KerrMD> I would not recomend that
[20:42] <gorioBR> i'll try to reinstall the LTIB
[20:46] <gorioBR> how to delete a protected folder ?
[20:47] <daskreech> how is it protected ?
[20:48] <gorioBR> write protection
[20:49] <gorioBR> http://paste.ubuntu.com/610762/
[20:49] <gorioBR> ops
[20:49] <gorioBR> drwxr-xr-x 3 gorio root 4096 2011-05-20 14:46 /opt/freescale/usr/
[20:49] <gorioBR> i need to delete usr folder
[20:54] <gorioBR> i'm installing the LTIB now in home folder
[21:02] <jozefk> I think I'll use first kubuntu :)
[21:05] <bagge> hi! Every time i log into ubuntu, the sound is muted... anyone know what is wrong? :O
[21:06] <bagge> log into kde*
[21:07] <SIR_Taco> bagge: change your volume in konsole using "alsamixer" then "sudo alsactl store"
[21:07] <SIR_Taco> bagge: should hopefully solve your problem
[21:07] <bagge> ok ty ill try
[21:07] <gorioBR> tsimpson: the error was fixed when i installed it on home folder
[21:08] <gorioBR> thank you and all that helped me
[21:12] <Linkmaster> KerrMD: jozefk, Koffice is....simply put, its a mess
[21:12] <KerrMD> I've not bothered to use it just yet
[21:12] <jozefk> Linkmaster: did i say it's good?
[21:13] <Linkmaster> no, you were just semi-involved, so I felt it was important that I informed you
[21:13] <Linkmaster> I'm not saying don't use it, but if you use OOo and LO a lot, its..its different
[21:14] <jozefk> Libre is fine for me
[21:14] <jozefk> I don't need koffice
[21:14] <Linkmaster> I may/maynot keep it. Not sure yet, if I can get it to work, I'll keep it, otherwise, nogo
[21:14] <jozefk> I seldom use any kind of office at all
[21:15] <jozefk> and if I do then it's calc most of the time
[21:16] <Linkmaster> no word documents?
[21:17] <jozefk> only if somebody will send something to me and I need to open
[21:18] <jozefk> that's not often happens
[21:18] <jozefk> I use Kate most of the time for everything :)
[21:18] <jozefk> or vim or those
[21:19] <Linkmaster> I use Kate :P...
[21:19]  * Linkmaster realizes that he's a diehard KDE kid[pun intended]
[21:20] <jozefk> what is that word good for in my life? use Scribus really
[21:23] <jozefk> if I want to dual boot kubuntu with win7 will it be done automatically?
[21:24] <SIR_Taco> jozefk: usually helps if Win7 is installed before hand, but not impossible afterwards
[21:24] <Linkmaster> Just make sure not to delete any win7 partitions. apparently, if you delete something on win7, it kills the booting ability
[21:24] <jozefk> it is installed
[21:24] <Linkmaster> and defrag it several times to move everything to the 'left' of the partition
[21:25] <jozefk> will not touch win7 partitions
[21:27] <KerrMD> Lol, I have wine spamming my konsole window with the same two lines over and over
[21:27] <KerrMD> All while trying to update PWI
[21:28] <dima___> Hello, everyone. I've updated my machine today and flash stopped working. I have flashplugin-nonfree package  installed.
[21:28] <dima___> What do I need to check&
[21:29] <dima___> ?
[21:29] <KerrMD> dima___: what browser are you using?
[21:30] <KerrMD> IF you're using Firefox try looking for a plug-in called Flash-aid
[21:33] <KerrMD> Will the real Linkmaster please stand up.
[21:33] <Linkmaster> KerrMD: My bad, I accidently changed it for every single channel I'm in xD
[21:33] <KerrMD> lol
[21:34] <Linkmaster> I meant to do it for just #kubuntu-offtopic
[21:34] <KerrMD> I've not stepped in there as yet
[21:34] <dima___> KerrMD: doesn't work in firefox, chrome and konqueror
[21:34] <dima___> KerrMD:  I have flash-aid in firefox
[21:35] <KerrMD> dima___: have you used it?
[21:35] <dima___> you mean before it stopped working?
[21:35] <dima___> yes
[21:35] <KerrMD> or after, either
[21:35] <SIR_Taco> KerrMD: you can get rid of your annoying wine warnings by adding "WINEDEBUG=warn-all " to the end of your command (if you wanted to know)
[21:36] <KerrMD> Thanks for that SIR_Taco
[21:36] <KerrMD> dima___: have you tried after? give it a go.
[21:42] <dima___> KerrMD: ok, now I get it. I thought flash-aid was some automatic magic. It turns out I had to execute a script :-) After executing the script, flash works
[21:43] <dima___> KerrMD: Thanks
[21:43] <dima___> How come it has fixed flash in chromium as well?
[21:44] <dima___> Do I have to remove flashplugin-nonfree?
[21:44] <KerrMD> I would
[21:49] <SIR_Taco> dima___: "flashplugin-non-free" just points to the "flashplugin-installer" package... it's only there as a placeholder (since it used to be called flashplugin-nonfree)
[22:13] <LuizCB> hello
[22:13] <SIR_Taco> hi LuizCB
[22:13] <Linkmaster> hey
[22:13] <sithlord48> hi!
[22:14] <sithlord48> anyone else having issues loading KFN? (really slow for some reason..)
[22:15] <Linkmaster> kfn -> kubuntuforums?
[22:15] <sithlord48> yes
[22:15] <SIR_Taco> sithlord48: it gets that way every now and again... that's why there's been a "donate" button for a while... trying to upgrade the hosting
[22:15] <sithlord48> then ppl who get help need to do a little donating :D
[22:16] <Linkmaster> Yeah, I noticed that today it will bog down for a good 20 minutes, then suddenly be as snappy as can be
[22:16] <SIR_Taco> sithlord48: true
[22:16]  * Linkmaster plans to get paypal exclusivly to donate to KFN
[22:16] <sithlord48> it makes it hard to answer questions... last night it died when i was trying to post a replay
[22:16] <Linkmaster> Yeah, same here[and sithlord48's advice is definitely good]
[22:17] <sithlord48> really, good at least i've helped someone :D
[22:17] <SIR_Taco> sometimes I forget to make the connection with the names on here and those on KFN haha
[22:17] <sithlord48> thats why i try to keep this as a global name :P
[22:17] <SIR_Taco> sithlord48: me as well
[22:18] <sithlord48> i thought i was rekonq but, firefox is just as slow..
[22:19] <sithlord48> so whats up w/ my kubuntu pplz today ?
[22:20] <KerrMD> Firefox is slow? Works very well for me.
[22:20] <sithlord48> no the kfn page is acting up again and being slow.
[22:21] <KerrMD> ah
[22:22] <SIR_Taco> sithlord48: me.... long weekend == beer :)
[22:23] <sithlord48> i just have a normal weekend
[22:23] <SIR_Taco> should move to Canada... for the weekend at least haha
[22:23] <Linkmaster> I'm bedridden D:
[22:23] <Linkmaster> [and am the same Linkmaster on KFN]
[22:23] <sithlord48> we get a longer weekend next week.
[22:24] <sithlord48> bummer Linkmaster :(
[22:26] <Linkmaster> Yeah, it sucks D:
[22:27] <SIR_Taco> yea, that's no good
[22:27] <Linkmaster> Oh well, more time to spend with my computer!
[22:27] <sithlord48> lol
[22:27] <sithlord48> ms.sith tells me all the time i spend to much time w/ computers.....
[22:28] <SIR_Taco> reminds me of a Bad Religion song.... lol
[22:28] <Linkmaster> I always tell the woman who wishes to make a presence in my life this: "If you are jealous of an inanimite object, I have no need to speak with you" :D
[22:29] <sithlord48> lol
[22:29] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: haha, haven't tried that one... I think I may avoid that though
[22:30] <Linkmaster> I only do it if they are new. If they have been friends for awhile, they understand that computers=life for me
[22:30] <SIR_Taco> fair enough
[22:31] <Linkmaster> Yep. Anyone who knows me for more then a week realizes that my order of priority goes something like this...computers -> compters -> computers -> food -> more computers -> sleep -> social life :P
[22:31] <sithlord48> social wha?
[22:31] <LuizCB> with idea in mind of efficiency,  i like to know from users of both instant messengers suite, (default) kopete and pidgin, which one does a better job (please don't dispute others arguments)
[22:31] <SIR_Taco> haha
[22:32] <Linkmaster> sithlord48: Yeah, I never get to it. By the time the 'sleep' function comes around, I've already used 18+ hours of the day
[22:32] <SIR_Taco> LuizCB: I personally prefer Kopete... probably more because of KDE integration than bells and whistles
[22:33] <sithlord48> i perfer kopete. since i dont have to install a crap load of extra gtk stuff that way , but i guess it depends on your protocall is cause pidgin does video /voice  if u use that. but idk maybe it does it kopete too (i dont' really use any of that so idk)
[22:33]  * Linkmaster prefers Kopete, due to its KDE integration
[22:33] <sithlord48> i try to use as pure of a KDE enviroment as i can . rekonq, kopete, quessel , etc..
[22:33] <SIR_Taco> sithlord48: I agree
[22:34] <maco> technically konversation is still kde's irc client
[22:34] <rom1dep> apachelogger: your blog must be broken, as a non wordpress member I can't post a comment.
[22:34] <Linkmaster> I have only two non-KDE programs on my computer
[22:34] <maco> quassel is just what kubuntu switched to when konversation's qt4 version wasnt done yet, since quassel is qt4 and can optionally use kde libs
[22:34] <sithlord48> well thats true,, but i would also have to install konversation (is it up to a Qt4 port yets?)
[22:34] <maco> yes
[22:35] <Linkmaster> Whats the difference of Konversation and Quassel?
[22:35] <maco> quassel and konversation are now pretty equal. we just havent felt a reason to switch back
[22:35] <LuizCB> SIR_Taco, sithlord48, ok, that's enough, thanks a lot. that is exactly what  i were thinking - for the sake on better integration kopete takes a higher value-
[22:35] <sithlord48> LuizCB:  if you don't like it you can always just install pidgin or one  of the 100 other IM clients
[22:35] <LuizCB> as well as quassel, btw
[22:35] <Linkmaster> LuizCB: Kopete works with Skype, as long as you have skype prerunning..not sure about voice/video calls, haven't had someone to help me tinker with it
[22:36] <SIR_Taco> there are things I don't like about Quassel... but there are more things I don't like about Konversation
[22:36] <LuizCB> sithlord48: i didn't use Kopete yet. i didn't want to clutter the system before making an analysis of both.
[22:36] <MaximLevitsky> Linkmaster:really take advantage of both worlds
[22:36] <SIR_Taco> jsut the lesser of two evils I guess
[22:37] <LuizCB> Linkmaster: i have skype, so what you say is great
[22:37] <sithlord48> my irc needs are very basic, a few channels. that overview view to monitor them all and thats all i need
[22:37] <maco> sithlord48: the chat monitor is why i use quassel
[22:37] <Linkmaster> MaximLevitsky: explain? :o
[22:37] <MaximLevitsky> I switched to KDE from gnome recently and kept few Gnome apps. thats way it is the best
[22:37] <sithlord48> yes thats whast its called. very usefull
[22:38] <maco> MaximLevitsky: ive been using kde for 2 years now and still stick to terminator as my preferred terminal
[22:38] <Linkmaster> Yeah, thats possible. Though GTK and KDE are..well, they don't play very nice
[22:38] <sithlord48> i've always used KDE, i never really like gnome. some thing about it..
[22:38] <MaximLevitsky> Gnome apps look very nice inkubuntu
[22:38] <MaximLevitsky> try the radiance stlyle
[22:38] <MaximLevitsky> style
[22:38] <Linkmaster> Are you using the default oxygen or related?
[22:38] <sithlord48> not the other way around.. i write a Qt app and gnome refuses to show my menu bar icons..
[22:39] <MaximLevitsky> Yep, default oxygen
[22:39] <LuizCB> well, using KDE for two weeks (+/-) and comparing to gnome3 and *unity" environment, i'm loving this KDE
[22:39] <Linkmaster> Thats why. Let me show you an example of my current KDE desktop, and pretty much anything Gnome related will balk at it
[22:40] <MaximLevitsky> Linkmaster: I even use nm-applet and gnote here
[22:40] <MaximLevitsky> Works just fine]
[22:40] <LuizCB> *and no bugs dialogs yet!!!!
[22:40] <SIR_Taco> LuizCB: good to hear... I haven't used Gnome in 15 years.... tried it for a minute here and there... but that's it :)
[22:40] <sithlord48> yea i tried gnome3 on my other machine..
[22:40] <Linkmaster> most people use the nm-applet on Kubuntu, but thats because they dont' wish to wrangle with KnetworkManager
[22:40] <neutron> I use KDE since 4 years
[22:41] <MaximLevitsky> Gnome 3 is great. It finally makes its cronic decease be too painful to continue using it
[22:41] <sithlord48> i use gnome for my nx client, on my server but thats cause i didnt know how ot get lxde to work thru nx... now that i do next time i redo my server im gonna use lxde for that
[22:41] <LuizCB> SIR_Taco: i did use a couple times but comparing unity and gnome3... both look alike and both still unpolished
[22:42] <sithlord48> so its our turn to get gnome uses liek they tryed to grab kde uses when kde4 came out lol
[22:42] <SIR_Taco> good to know
[22:42] <sithlord48> i was not impressed w/ gnome3 at all. seams even more mac os like
[22:43] <SIR_Taco> I really don't have the time or energy to try gnome again... unless KDE goes off the deep-end lol
[22:43] <neutron> I like KDE and Gnome
[22:43] <SIR_Taco> I'm happy with the way KDE is going
[22:43] <LuizCB> the idea of KDE pulling a lot of resources comparing with gnome went away of KDE integration with 11.04. much faster and runs pretty well. (my opinion on two machines)
[22:44] <sithlord48> neutron: you can't like both... not allowed
[22:44] <SIR_Taco> sithlord48: lol
[22:44] <LuizCB> hehehe
[22:44] <neutron> I really like both :) ...I use KDE on my computers but Gnome is cool too
[22:44] <LuizCB> kick him kick him sithlord48
[22:44] <SIR_Taco> it's like saying you like puppies and kittens! haha
[22:44] <MaximLevitsky> :-)
[22:45]  * Linkmaster shudders
[22:45] <neutron> but I have not see Gnome3
[22:45] <SIR_Taco> wow... this is an awful made-for-tv movie lol
[22:46] <MaximLevitsky> Gnome itself is quite nice, its bunch of assholes that control it and push their agenda is what ruins it
[22:46] <Linkmaster> MaximLevitsky: heres my desktop. Imagine trying to get Gnome to work with it :P http://i.imgur.com/ZBBoS.png
[22:46] <sithlord48> well hurry up get gnome3 then you will like kde...
[22:46] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: the wallpaper with the woman would cause an error.... lol
[22:47] <neutron> is here anybody who is using Gnome3 ?
[22:47] <sithlord48> i've used it ..
[22:47] <sithlord48> from a live cd on my intel box
[22:47] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: How so?
[22:47] <neutron> and is it fast?
[22:47] <sithlord48> nice. mine is much simpler then that lol
[22:47] <LuizCB> SIR_Taco: when you play with the mouse? :o
[22:47] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: I'm just joking around
[22:47] <SIR_Taco> LuizCB: haha
[22:48] <sithlord48> neutron: not from the live cd maybe installed.
[22:48] <MaximLevitsky> Linkmaster: gtk also has a lot of themes, it should be possible
[22:48] <neutron> okey
[22:48] <Linkmaster> I mean like..sheesh, I know that KDE is good, but I didnt' know that Gnome couldn't handle her
[22:48] <Linkmaster> Key words: should. Not definite :P
[22:48] <SIR_Taco> haha
[22:49] <Linkmaster> I have yet to see KDE balk at something
[22:49] <SIR_Taco> I need to make a list of 10 things I would like to see change in KDE and/or Kubuntu, when KFN comes back up
[22:50] <sithlord48> kfn seams to be ok
[22:50] <sithlord48> mpwe
[22:50] <Linkmaster> You have any you'd like to share at the moment?
[22:50] <sithlord48> now...
[22:51] <SIR_Taco> well.. one is disabling screensaver and/or powersave when playing a movie or full-screen flash
[22:51] <Linkmaster> You can't do that? [I haven't had any issues with screensaver, and since I only use the 'performance' option, then..I wouldn't know]
[22:52] <sithlord48> i also have not noticed this issue. but on my desktop there is no screen saver, and i think i disabled powersave for my monitor
[22:52] <SIR_Taco> Thing is... you shouldn't have to change the power options.... if you're watching a movie, it shouldn't turn the monitor off (unless battery is low on a laptop)
[22:53] <sithlord48> good point
[22:53] <LuizCB> i like to share one matter; by mistake i changed all my default Folder icons. after searching on the forums and net i realized i needed to discover why and how i did that. conclusion. if you want to change default folder icon, unhidden files in any directory and just change .directory icon
[22:53] <sithlord48> LuizCB:  you can also set custom folder icons.. for a folder check this out :D
[22:53] <SIR_Taco> LuizCB: thanks, I didn't know that one
[22:54] <LuizCB> starslights: for default folder?
[22:54] <LuizCB> oops, sithlord48
[22:55] <sithlord48> LuizCB: http://dopplereffect.shacknet.nu/snapshot.png
[22:55] <LuizCB> starslights: i mean through the whole system, not just one folder
[22:55] <sithlord48> LuizCB: i've been working on backing up my psx games
[22:55] <Linkmaster> How do you change icons, such as in the systray?
[22:56] <LuizCB> Linkmaster: properties | click on the icon
[22:56] <MaximLevitsky> Linkmaster: I learned long ago that looks can really be customized if thats is very necessary:
[22:56] <Linkmaster> what if its for evil, closed source proprietary stuff?
[22:56] <MaximLevitsky> http://picpaste.com/pics/screen-OktYlRvX.1305928535.png
[22:56] <MaximLevitsky> Which desktop is it?
[22:57] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: I think you start with holy water and go from there lol
[22:57] <sithlord48> see my snapshot. of my psx games. http://dopplereffect.shacknet.nu/snapshot.png
[22:57] <Linkmaster> dang, I was hoping I didn't need to throw holy water all over my computer
[22:57] <sithlord48> MaximLevitsky:  gnome
[22:57] <MaximLevitsky> wrong
[22:58] <sithlord48> kde dressed up like gnome?
[22:58] <MaximLevitsky> wrong
[22:58] <LuizCB> sithlord48: looks nice. and looks like a psx expositor :)
[22:58] <SIR_Taco> two wrongs don't make a right
[22:59] <MaximLevitsky> So what is it?
[22:59] <SIR_Taco> lxde
[22:59] <MaximLevitsky> Nope
[22:59] <sithlord48> xfce
[22:59] <MaximLevitsky> no
[23:00] <sithlord48> mac os
[23:00] <SIR_Taco> fluxbox?
[23:00] <MaximLevitsky> no
[23:00] <MaximLevitsky> no
[23:00] <Linkmaster> w/e it, I feel bad for it
[23:00] <sithlord48> windows 8 dev snapshot?
[23:00] <MaximLevitsky> no, but a bit closer
[23:00] <SIR_Taco> makes me fell gnausis
[23:00] <MaximLevitsky> Its Windows XP running http://www.sharpenviro.com
[23:01] <sithlord48> not to sharp  lol
[23:01] <Linkmaster> Why would you do that to the poor XP? D:
[23:01] <SIR_Taco> haha
[23:01] <sithlord48> yea you can runn kde on xp .. why not just use plasma-desktop to replace explorer...
[23:02] <Linkmaster> Exactly
[23:02] <razorsharp> how do i connect to a hidden wireless network on KDE?
[23:02] <Linkmaster> I got this, I do it all the time!
[23:02] <Linkmaster> razorsharp: first, do you know the essid?
[23:02] <SIR_Taco> go for it Linkmaster
[23:02] <MaximLevitsky> Linkmaster: I just telling you that it is possible to make everything look like everything
[23:03] <Linkmaster> MaximLevitsky: though in the case of windows, its just a bunch of images pasted on top of the originals
[23:03] <razorsharp> yes, i am currently logged in using gnome
[23:03] <MaximLevitsky> Linkmaster: no
[23:03] <MaximLevitsky> Its full blown desktop+panel replacement
[23:03] <LuizCB> Linkmaster: sorry, i didn't realize at the time you mean icons on the system tray. i don't know how to change that but might be easy too
[23:04] <Linkmaster> Thats a different story. Your just replacing DE for something else
[23:04] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: you can have KDE run fully on your XP machine too
[23:04] <razorsharp> Linkmaster, in gnome i just click connect to hidden network and enter SSID. Can't find something similar in KDE.
[23:05] <MaximLevitsky> Linkmaster: its actually a VM and I dressed it up like that to minimize shock I receive each time I use windows when I have too
[23:05] <LuizCB> SIR_Taco:  with a full virtualBox or alike ? :p
[23:05] <MaximLevitsky> Although to be honest, that SharpEnviron is soo good that it makes me consider using windows again
[23:05] <Linkmaster> razorsharp: what you need to do is this: on the wireless thing, click on it, and open 'manage connections' and then create a wireless connection like you would in gnome. then, open up a terminal, and type in 'sudo iwlist wlan0[assuming this is your card, if not, put in your respective card] scan essid YOURNETWORK. Then, you should be able to view your wireless network and connect to it
[23:05] <MaximLevitsky> Its open source too
[23:06] <SIR_Taco> LuizCB: not quite.... http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KDE_on_Windows/Installation#KDE_Installer_for_Windows
[23:06] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: I know its possible, and MaximLevitsky thats a wonderful idea, thanks for it
[23:06] <MaximLevitsky> s/have too/have to
[23:07] <LuizCB> SIR_Taco: wow... how things changed since i woke up :o
[23:07] <SIR_Taco> haha
[23:07] <LuizCB> heheh
[23:07] <razorsharp> Linkmaster: thanks, i'll try that.
[23:07] <sithlord48> MaximLevitsky:  tahts a good one lol
[23:07] <Linkmaster> Your welcome. When you create the wireless network, be sure to punch in all the things you have to[such as WPA2 password and whatnot] before hand, then close it out
[23:09] <LuizCB> i'm having a weird ghost situation; my usual nick <lcb> is on and authenticated and i don't see it
[23:10] <SIR_Taco> have you registered with nickserv?
[23:10] <LuizCB> SIR_Taco: yes, both are authenticated
[23:10] <SIR_Taco> "[Whois] lcb is online via barjavel.freenode.net (Paris, FR)"
[23:10] <LuizCB> automatically
[23:11] <LuizCB> quassel is playing tricks on me
[23:11] <SIR_Taco> LuizCB: likely you're stuck in lag-limbo.... until the server realizes it.... or you have Quassel open on another desktop :)
[23:11] <LuizCB> i think i'm going to freenode central intelligence service
[23:12] <LuizCB> SIR_Taco: i checked. no. i'm virtually ok on that
[23:12] <SIR_Taco> is that like Interpol for IRC? haha
[23:12] <LuizCB> :)
[23:13] <SIR_Taco> ok... KFN up.... must complete list....
[23:14] <LuizCB> I just asked on #freenode to kill the spy
[23:14] <SIR_Taco> hopefully it works
[23:14] <LuizCB> SIR_Taco: i used to be serv admin on irc and is easy to do
[23:15] <Linkmaster> bah, razor left. I was going to link him to my HOW-TO on connecting to hidden wireless networks :P
[23:15] <SIR_Taco> LuizCB: very nice
[23:16] <LuizCB> serv administrator even have graphical interface as an Op. with a click they could blackout whole server
[23:17] <SIR_Taco> Absolute power corrupts absolutely :)
[23:17] <LuizCB> *as an Op do..
[23:17] <LuizCB> lol
[23:17] <SIR_Taco> Been an op in many channels.... and had to be the reff in many an argument lol
[23:18] <LuizCB> hehehe your or theirs?
[23:18] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: I used to break fights up, then realized they were interesting to watch how people could so easily lose control of themselves xD
[23:18] <SIR_Taco> mostly theirs... I'm a pretty mellow guy
[23:18] <sithlord48> lol
[23:19] <LuizCB> "argument kick" - that's a good template for a kick
[23:19] <SIR_Taco> LuizCB: haha
[23:20] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: I used to break fights up in person.... still have scars of those lol
[23:20] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: I'm talking both computerworld and in person, haha
[23:20] <sithlord48> but thats more fun SIR_Taco...
[23:21] <SIR_Taco> haha, well I still do both unfortunately.... I think my nose is straigter after the last one though, so it's all good
[23:21] <sithlord48> see , there you go :D
[23:22] <SIR_Taco> sithlord48: yea, there's a silver lining to every broken nose haha
[23:22] <sithlord48> and lots of blood..
[23:22] <Linkmaster> xD!
[23:22] <SIR_Taco> might look more crimson at the time
[23:22] <LuizCB> just don't go into another one, just in case you get your nose all way back, which is more difficult to pull it up
[23:22] <sithlord48> lol
[23:22] <LuizCB> :)
[23:23] <SIR_Taco> LuizCB: I don't have much of a choice lol
[23:28] <LuizCB> "quassel is client-server, your server is still running somewhere"
[23:28] <LuizCB> i'm "serving" someone
[23:28] <SIR_Taco> LuizCB: maybe you'll get a tip
[23:29] <LuizCB> yeap hehehe
[23:29] <LuizCB> SIR_Taco: that's the conlucion from the cia guys
[23:29] <LuizCB> conclusion either
[23:29] <sithlord48> there are two parts to quassel. a client part and a server part , but i've only seen that for the windows version..
[23:29] <SIR_Taco> LuizCB: you have anyone logged into your box? or possibly your laptop still running?
[23:30] <sithlord48> run who
[23:30] <LuizCB> SIR_Taco: no :o
[23:30] <LuizCB> and my wife is watshing the "soap opera" :o
[23:30] <SIR_Taco> haha
[23:30] <LuizCB> she's not inspecting/spying on me now
[23:31] <SIR_Taco> now? lol
[23:31] <sithlord48> NOOOO LuizCB thats all my nice new tv gets used for it got it for a computer monitor but ms.sith stole it w/ soaps and other lame tv shows
[23:31] <LuizCB> i'm trying to dismantle this quassel now to see what's going on
[23:31] <LuizCB> LOL sithlord48
[23:31] <sithlord48> don't forget plyers for peeling the layers apart
[23:32] <LuizCB> yeah
[23:32] <SIR_Taco> LuizCB: did you check System Activity to see if there's an old instance running?
[23:32] <LuizCB> in fact, i hear some strange noises on my mobile, this afternoon... indeed someone is trying to infiltrate on my case :o
[23:33] <LuizCB> heard
[23:33] <SIR_Taco> LuizCB: just cover it in tinfoil.... lol
[23:33] <LuizCB> SIR_Taco: first time login into IRC today...
[23:33] <sithlord48> and don't forget a hat for ur self..
[23:34] <LuizCB> SIR_Taco: unless last server last night is still laggy
[23:34] <SIR_Taco> LuizCB: no... it shouldn't be that bad
[23:35] <LuizCB> ... and he's so close... right here somewhere --> [lcb PING reply]: 1sec
[23:35] <SIR_Taco> LuizCB: 1sec or 1ms?
[23:35] <Linkmaster> sithlord48: I see you helpign out that dude in the post about the 'present windows' feature :P
[23:36] <LuizCB> 1s, i know is bad, but still -- close
[23:36] <sithlord48> yea i think hes done now...
[23:37] <SIR_Taco> LuizCB: well... it could still be in your house... if you're pinging through IRC and back
[23:37] <Linkmaster> Yep, he is haha. I used to be where he is, when I first loaded up :P
[23:38] <sithlord48> everyone starts @ noob
[23:38] <LuizCB> SIR_Taco: i already went trough all house and under it :o
[23:38] <zen> something better than Compiz for KDE 4.6.2 ?
[23:38] <SIR_Taco> I know you were Linkmaster... not sure if I helped you out or not then lol
[23:38] <sithlord48> zen: kwin...
[23:38] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: You remember me from back then? :D
[23:38] <sithlord48> zen: its built in  is there any reason your using compiz instead?
[23:38] <zen> default kwin ?
[23:38] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: think so
[23:38]  * Linkmaster feels special xD
[23:39] <sithlord48> !kwin
[23:39] <Linkmaster> and zen yeah, use Kwin, it works great now
[23:39] <SIR_Taco> LuizCB: I'd pull the plug on the modem.... and see what happens lol
[23:39] <sithlord48> <i guess that don't work here>
[23:39] <sithlord48> i haven
[23:39] <SIR_Taco> !nope
[23:39] <zen> fonts seems crisp with Compiz
[23:39] <sithlord48> haven't used compiz in a while. with kde4
[23:40] <sithlord48> there are some places that kwin lacks like in not letting me use meta+mousewheelup/down for zoom
[23:40] <Linkmaster> I haven't used Compiz...Kwin has handled everything I've asked for wonderfully
[23:40] <LuizCB> SIR_Taco: not yet. i need to discover the *bastard*
[23:40] <SIR_Taco> LuizCB: but it's no fun if you find out it was you lol
[23:40] <LuizCB> haha
[23:41] <zen> thanks guys!
[23:41] <sithlord48> zen you can change your fonts dpi setting if they look bad. in system settings->i forgot hold on .
[23:42] <sithlord48> system settings-> application apperance-> fonts
[23:42] <Linkmaster> can someone try this and see if they can record their desktop with sound? http://grumbel.blogspot.com/2010/09/record-your-linux-desktop-with-sound.html
[23:42] <Linkmaster> I've tried, but to no avail
[23:42] <zen> i`ll try, thx!
[23:42] <sithlord48> your welcome
[23:43] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: I've had 1 too many to be messing with that at the moment I think
[23:43] <Linkmaster> baha, okay. I can get desktop recording done nicely, just no sound. I want sort of what camtasia can do. But w/o the evil closed source costly stuff
[23:44] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: well it's all GTK from the looks of it
[23:44] <Linkmaster> Yes, sadly
[23:45] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: I haven't found anything KDE oriented
[23:46] <D-coy> m4v, ur arch sucks :S
[23:46] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: give me a minute.... I'll find something haha
[23:46] <Linkmaster> Thanks SIR_Taco :P
[23:52] <SIR_Taco> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KDE_on_Windows/Installation#KDE_Installer_for_Windows
[23:52] <SIR_Taco> nope... wrong paste...
[23:52] <SIR_Taco> http://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/downloads.php
[23:53] <SIR_Taco> lcb: you figured it out?
[23:55] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: sudo apt-get install recordmydesktop
[23:55] <Linkmaster> I've tried that one I think
[23:55] <SIR_Taco> didn't work?
[23:56] <Linkmaster> I can try again, though I think it failed in recording sound
[23:56] <SIR_Taco> possibly an option?
[23:56] <lcb> SIR_Taco:  not yet, but i was the one killing it
[23:56] <Linkmaster> Yeah, let me try again
[23:56] <lcb> ./msg NickServ GHOST lcb
[23:57] <SIR_Taco> lcb: been there, done that :)
[23:57] <lcb> that's the way to kill ppl, here
[23:57] <Linkmaster> Yep, haha
[23:57] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: http://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/faq.php#I_have_no_sound!
[23:58] <lcb> ppl at #quassel didn't give me an aswer why this is happening
[23:58] <Linkmaster> They might not now :P
[23:58] <Linkmaster> I know I had no clue what you were talking about
[23:58] <SIR_Taco> lcb: nothing ever goes wrong in software projects.... ever
[23:58] <lcb> btw, LuizCB is now connected AND IS NOT ME
[23:59] <lcb> lol
[23:59] <Linkmaster> Like, when I mean by sound, I don't mean from noises I make. I want the recording to grab the sounds from the computer, such as if amarok were playing