[00:14] kk, so it appears the window focus bug thingy is present in 10.04.x as well [00:15] btw, in purging programs i've lost my lower panel with logout/etc [00:16] don't know where to find it [00:17] The panel with running programs/tray icons? [00:17] Type: ls /usr/share/lxpanel/profile/ [00:17] on custom panels, is there a way to add icons to the application bar in such a way they are padded equally top/bottm left/right [00:17] ls /usr/share/lxpanel/profile [00:17] er, sorry [00:18] lists default & Lubuntu [00:19] lxpanel --profile Lubuntu <--- That what your looking for? [00:20] There is already an instance of LXPanel. Now to exit [00:21] What exactly is wrong with it? [00:21] it's not there [00:21] need a screenshot? [00:23] http://imagebin.org/154122 [00:25] ps -a |grep lxpanel [00:26] ... upper case A [00:28] i'm going to reboot [00:29] That may help too... [00:31] same thing [00:32] To findout what profile it's using: ps -A a |grep lxpanel (What programs did you just install?) [00:34] 976 ? S 0:00 lxpanel --profile Lubuntu [00:34] 1257 pts/1 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto lxpanel [00:34] i installed libreoffice [00:34] and scribus-ng [00:34] but had scribus on here previously [00:34] did some "purging" via aptitude [00:34] sudo aptitude purge programx [00:36] it's currently a unique experience [00:36] Do you want stock panels? (What version are you using?) [00:42] yes, a stock panel that is normally on the bottom [00:42] 10.04.2 [00:46] mv ~/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntu ~/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntuuu Then logout and back in.... === palhmbs is now known as palhmbs_ [00:49] There is a default that I think will auto copy (Or you could copy it to the correct location just to make sure) [00:53] Unit193: how do i force logout? [00:54] lubuntu-logout (I *think*) [00:57] thx [00:57] that did it [00:58] Sweet! Everything good? [00:58] hi [00:59] is there any help for VLC here? [00:59] I have sound but no picture [00:59] gnome works [00:59] silverarrow: What type of file? Do you have any extras? [01:00] I have installed all extras I know of, and the libdvd packages [01:00] avi [01:01] avi is file type? [01:01] I have downloaded tree films from isohunt with positive feedback, and vlc will not play [01:04] xvid, dvd rip [01:04] Just to make sure. You have lubuntu-restricted-extras and lubuntu-restricted-addons? [01:04] yes [01:04] both [01:05] I could try and reload them [01:07] I can play them, but I have medibuntu repos and some things from there... [01:08] I have too, some of them [01:08] hmm [01:08] are you in lubuntu now? [01:08] it will not mess up to download the old medibuntu package? [01:10] They have repos for 10.04, 10.10 and 11.04 [01:17] I installed, but nothing happened [01:26] why is vlc acting up [01:26] !"#$½¥£@ [01:29] hard to trouble shoot when you have no idea what is wrong [01:29] I seemingly have all restricted, plugins and extras === ocj-001 is now known as Ahmuck-Sr [01:48] guess he didn't wait for me to tell him there's a ton of probs w/ VLC right now. [01:49] Works for me... [01:51] same here. i use vlc exclusively [01:52] lightweight dia program? [02:04] !bug 743323 [02:04] Launchpad bug 743323 in vlc (Ubuntu) "vlc memory leak" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/743323 [02:17] KM0201: Just change the code from "public" to "private" [02:23] huh? [02:24] poltak: i can read it just fine [02:24] KM0201: don't you give that attitude to me, matey. I'm only helping you [02:25] huh. [02:25] I DON'T appreciate rudeness at all [02:25] dude i don't think you understand english.. 1. i didn't give you attitude (although now, I am)... 2... I didn't need help, soemone was having probs w/ VLC before and described the bug, so i linked them to the bug. [02:25] poltak: i thnk you better get a grasp on english before accusing someone of being "rude" [02:26] you said it was changed from "public" to "private" and i mentined i can read it just fine, so it must not be to "private" [02:26] bioterror: Not there? ^\ [02:26] KM0201: how dare you! English is my first language! How dare you insult my control over my native language! I'm reporting this event and the log is here for all to see [02:26] Unit193: lol, i'm honestly not sure what this screwballs problem is. [02:27] KM0201: I was only trying to HELP you... you kids are crazy [02:27] bioterror: may be a douche, but at least he's a douche that makes sense, poltak isn't even making sense [02:27] * Unit193 ducks out! [02:27] poltak: you're not getting it.. I DON"T NEED HELP [02:27] KM0201: It's done son. All done and dusted. Leave now and don't come back here [02:27] whatever.. [02:29] Unit193: did you say vlc works fine for you? === palhmbs_ is now known as palhmbs === palhmbs is now known as Guest85843 === Guest85843 is now known as palhmbs [03:40] Unit193: what was that keyboar dshort cut to kill X? it was something like ctrl alt pausebreak L.. it hink [03:42] backspace [03:51] KM0201: ctrl alt backspace - if it is not disabled [07:41] anyone use 64bit lubuntu? [07:51] poltak, seems like lots of people ;) [07:51] my ratio for torrent was something like 200 when I stopped seeding [07:51] hot dayum, bioterror [07:52] you installed it and been using it already? [07:52] nope, I'm not using it ;) [07:52] what's your excuse? [07:52] I just did a good act [07:52] Ah, I see. How come you didn't use it though? [07:52] try it* [07:52] it's a dark secret, I cant say it in a sunlight [07:53] Are you a vampire? [07:54] http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/vampires_used_to_suck_blood.jpg ;) [07:54] I feel sick. [07:55] poltak, my 64bit computer runs Arch [07:55] The other night I dreamt that me and my mum where vampire hunters and we had to drive across the country to get away from this vampire, before we killed it with a giant hammer [07:55] Hey, same as me [07:55] 64bit LXDE packages wasnt up to date when I was going to install it [07:55] I had lots of problems [07:56] Fair enough. That's why I was asking. I've heard some similar things [08:04] but that was around alpha 1 or alpha2 [08:04] cant remember [08:23] I got a question regarding the chipset architecture when installing lubuntu, is it possible to get it to install a i486 architecture instead of a i586 architecture on a system that has a chipset that is a i586? [08:23] ? [08:25] nup [08:26] 10.04 supports i586 [08:26] for the 10.10 ubuntu dropped moved completely to i686 [08:26] sry m8, maybe I completely of base here, but as I have read online one will get better performance out of the chipset I have if the opsys is installed with a i486 architecture thatn i586. this is a quote of the online source: "While i586-pc-linux-gnu CHOST works fine on a Geode LX, i486-pc-linux-gnu should be a more performant choice right now due to the way Geode LX CPU pipeline and scheduling works. glibc i586 assembler optimized [08:27] mr2web, if you want i486 packages, try Salix OS [08:27] it's a fork of Zenwalk and that community is great [08:27] it's based on slackware and apt-get is slapt-get [08:27] they have Fluxbox, LXDE, XFCE versions [08:28] thx, I'll have a look. Although I do like the lubuntu and would like to stay with that dist... [08:28] Yep, see ya later mr2web [08:28] cheers [08:28] mr2web, could you give me that url [08:28] for that that [08:28] sure... [08:28] w8 [08:28] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags/AMD#Geode_LX [08:28] haha [08:29] mr2web, I give you another: http://funroll-loops.info/ [08:29] I have upgraded my current lubuntu to 11.04 before I read that the i586 support had been dropped.. [08:30] it starts fine but xorg is behaving realy bad and takes loads of cpu time [08:31] I was running 10.10 before... and that one didnt either support the i586 architecture though the performance wasn't to bad... [08:31] I have now downloaded the 10.04 and will try that one i guess [08:32] why not [08:32] it is supported for the next... 4 years? :) [08:32] or was it 3 years [08:37] bioterror, u know I'm not after super speed at all just a smooth server with a GUI and my new secondhand "green" HW is really slow in operating though it should be quicker, not super sonic just not so laggy... ;-) [08:39] I'm replacing my old Fedora 10 core machine using in average 80-120W, the new fit-pc slim uses only 6W witch is a difference for a 24/7 server [09:21] where is .xinitrc stored? ls doesn't turn it up... so i'm assumign its not there, if i was going to create it, where would it go? [09:21] ~/ [09:23] ty [09:28] did you get ir working? [09:28] it [09:28] i got .xinitrc created, and i added the line this says to put in it, but no, it didn't work. [09:29] that doesn't have to be made executable does it?.. i wouldn't think so. [09:30] startx or xinit uses .xinitrc [09:30] no, rc files are never executables [09:30] those are just configuration files [09:31] ok [09:31] maybe i'm missing something, the instructions i'm reading (command line)... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/DontZap [09:32] the "enable immediately" command, works fine... but when i create .xinitrc and put that line in it, it does nothing, and the shortcut isn't saved after i restart [09:32] what are you after now? [09:32] you want to kill X with ctrl+alt+backspace? [09:32] i can't stand alt prtsc k to kill x.. i've been using ctrl alt backspace forever, and i'm trying to get that working [09:32] yes. [09:32] hmmm [09:33] sudo nano /etc/default/keyboard [09:33] XKBOPTIONS="terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" [09:33] that could do the trick [09:34] ok, lemme try that. [09:35] KM0201, you might need to reboot to make it work === KM0201_ is now known as KM0201 [09:37] that worked, thanks [09:37] ;)) [09:38] horrible bs is that your wiki page [09:39] "using HAL" [09:39] gsus, hal havent been used for months [09:40] !dontzap | bioterror [09:40] bioterror: To re-enable the Ctrl-Alt-Backspace combination that restarts your X server see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/DontZap [09:41] factoid/wiki update time? [09:41] it's in my faq actually [09:41] been there for months ;) [09:42] or should I rather say "our faq" ;) [09:42] More you than anyone else! (Good job!) [09:42] I had problems with keyboard layout and oh well [09:44] wish I had time and will to edit it more === eee520 is now known as er === er is now known as ericy_40key === palhmbs is now known as palhmbs_ [14:53] hi [14:57] leszek: hello === ocj-001 is now known as Ahmuck-Sr [17:37] Hi.should I get lubuntu studio or lubuntu if I want to make music? [17:38] *ubuntu studio [17:41] strictlysensi: ubuntu studio is just ubuntu (and in essence, Lubuntu) w/ a bunch of multimedia packages... so it really doesn't matter. [17:46] K thx. Thought maybe studio performed better for certain things [18:03] Hi, i'm new in linux and want try lubuntu on old laptop, for now i made install, but in first day i got freeze. How to check problem? which logs? i already chech hdd and memory with livecd whithout problem. [18:03] how old is the laptop? [18:03] p3 933 mhz 383ram [18:03] compaq evo n160 [18:04] where does it seee to "freeze" at? [18:04] all what i want work, but after some time freeze [18:04] s/seee/seem [18:05] i don't chek it, alway i have with open chrome tabs, xterm ... excuse my bad english [18:05] sometimes help alt+sys reisub, somethimes only power cord [18:05] modris: Are you ok with using the terminal? [18:06] i dont know very much commands and they sintax, but in general - yes [18:06] from google get commands and then digg deeper [18:08] if i don;t cache reason why freeze happen, with what you recomend me star search? in lubuntu i dont find /var/log/messages [18:11] You can display /var/log/syslog [18:14] ok, now im going throu that... i dont remeber clocks when freeze was there. just try search for some error records. and of course advance look in syslog when this happen again. [18:15] thank for now... hope i can give some hints afters some minutes/hours [18:17] cat /var/log/syslog |grep error <--- will show you error msgs [18:23] ok it happen again :-) [18:24] Did you try? --> cat /var/log/syslog |grep error [18:30] ok, now i'm back. from windows machine - it has bigger screen and for now it is stable. [18:31] Yes i'm try cat grep error from syslog, and after 2min give respond to y [18:34] i got 3 types of errors, two from kernel and one form network manager [18:34] 1) kernel: est4-fs re-mounted, 0pts: errors=remount-ro,commit=0 [18:34] 2) kernel: est4-fs re-mounted, 0pts: errors=remount-ro [18:34] 3) networkmanager: warn bluez error getting default adapter: the name org.bluez wa not provided by any .service files [18:35] and this three repeat every reboot, i dont know before or after it :-S [18:37] is there an alternative to microsoft silverlight? [18:41] HTML5 [18:43] beyond that. it appears our local tv station streams in silverlight [18:46] Ahmuck-Sr: moonlight doesn't have DRM [18:46] there is moonlight for linux? [18:46] !info moonlight [18:46] Package moonlight does not exist in natty [18:47] nm [18:47] i see [18:47] It's there, I just hit the wrong name... [18:48] http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/download.aspx [18:48] Do you know if they use DRM? [18:48] nope [18:48] don't know [18:48] but about ready to find out [18:49] netflix doesn't work with it [18:49] \o/ [18:50] Sweet! It workith? Do you use chromium or FF? [18:51] :( no workie, just buffering [18:51] i use FF [18:51] always [18:51] if you like your privacy out there, then chromium is a good choice [18:52] ok, i'm back with my freeze problem, [18:52] Modris: I would wait for someone like bioterror to show up... [18:52] from visual - this freeze may be connect with som vga problems... it look like it. because somethime on freeze i got scarry fonts and after some sec screen full with horizontal lines [18:53] bioterror is expert or somthing like that? [18:55] bioterror is better than I am (So are some others) I just can't think of what to check.... [18:55] ok, thank for support... [18:56] dmesg |grep error <--- may tell you more [18:57] how to debug chrome, i think this can be source, because everytime i use chrome with more than 4 tabs and with flash players inside. flash i install by myself, maybe not very great [18:58] errors from dmesg give me again [18:58] kernel: est4-fs re-mounted, 0pts: errors=remount-ro,commit=0 [18:58] kernel: est4-fs re-mounted, 0pts: errors=remount-ro, [18:58] it is only with error syntax inside dmesg [19:04] required ms media packs [19:14] evening [19:14] quick pop-in [19:15] bioterror: Take a look at the issue Modris is having? [19:16] what information from me You need? Do you see older (from today) messages? [19:16] I checked [19:16] oldp 3 [19:17] oldp 2 [19:17] oldp 3 [19:17] what mean "oldp 3"? [19:17] old p3 [19:18] you could start with acpi=off kernel parameters [19:19] i'm not sure how to do this. init 6, then after bios before ... i need do what? [19:19] yeah in grub [19:19] grub config? [19:20] ok, i miss something... grub config i need do before restart or after bios? [19:22] hmm i make restart, after bios screen next i see lubuntu logo and after that user authentification window... [19:22] http://chakra-project.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?id=3924 [19:22] check that [19:23] ok [19:24] doesnt sound good [19:24] I gotta go, bbl [19:24] got a question, if the live cd works, why doesn't *buntus install with a configuration that works? [19:27] i'de wondered myself if age wasn't the problem. might try antix [19:27] it's very light, will run on 64mb ram, etc. [19:30] ok, i will try antix (if i fail on lubuntu) ;-) but for now i try to find menu.lst [19:31] grub.cfg [19:31] i may be boot/grub, but not for lubuntu ;-) [19:31] legacy grub uses menu.lst [19:31] If you don't see the menu on startup, hit shift [19:31] grub2 uses grub.cfg [19:31] ok, it is hard level for me (legacy), ok, i try restart with shift [19:31] bvut as that thread said, no luck with those two magic commands [19:32] they did not try nomodeset [19:32] disable kms [19:32] that could be it [19:33] i made reboot, hit shift 2 time in sec but get bios scren, then lubuntu logo, then user authorization screen... [19:33] i try find grub.cfg and made thing througt this [19:38] after bios left shift [19:38] but ad after ro nomodeset [19:38] add [19:39] i try left shift without success... now i'm inside grub.cfg, [19:40] looking at something like linux 2.6.38.-8.generic ---class ubuntu -- class gnu-linux ---class gnu --class ... [19:40] vmlinuz blaablaaa [19:41] o dont understand syntax in this file :-( [19:41] yes vmlinuz [19:41] root ..... ro quiet [19:41] splash vt.handoff=7 [19:42] add after quiet: nomodeset [19:42] initrd /boot initrd.img-2.6.38.-8... [19:42] ok, understand [19:43] im ircing on phone, rather annoying to paste example lines [19:43] since this terminal doesnt support those :DDDD [19:43] hmm... freeze again and open was only terminal and leaf.... editor [19:43] hmmm [19:44] try to be faster next time :D [19:44] ok, give me minute i try boot and finish grub.cfg [19:44] nice suggestion [19:44] compete with yourself! [19:44] opaa... i hold shift and get star menu [19:44] if only you would get to grub [19:45] good [19:45] now edit grubs bootline [19:45] 1) ubuntu 2) ubuntu recover 3) memtest .. 4) bla [19:45] edit first one [19:45] i remember e is the key [19:45] E is the key! [19:46] ok, i got it, now "quiet: nomodeset" [19:46] hey [19:46] bi : [19:46] no : [19:46] ro quiet nmodeset splash [19:46] or how was it [19:46] ok, nmodeset or nomodeset? [19:47] n o m o d e s e t [19:47] small keyboard i have [19:47] i't ok, i have problems with english [19:48] ok,houston see after 3 minutes :-D [19:48] so Modris [19:48] do you watch eurovision song contests [19:49] in this yead only between other chanels, in advertisment [19:49] in this year only between other chanels, in advertisment [19:50] haha [19:50] thats not wrong [19:50] is that evo now booting? [19:50] i took my new coming desktop pc to my parents so that I can tweak it [19:51] 1) we dont get to final 2) and tv change show translator/comentator who can coment this contest for last ... n years [19:51] yes i log in... [19:51] and now is log waiting time :-) [19:51] my face when I notice that my parents lcd display has only vga socket and i have no vga to dvi adapters [19:51] Q is this changes in boot procees permanent or this is only for this time? [19:52] we can make it permanent [19:52] with grub.cfg rigth? [19:52] nope [19:53] with /etc/default/grub.conf or something [19:53] ok, i'm listenig or maybe go search in web... [19:53] update-grub reads that file [19:53] ok, i try find [19:53] and adds parameters from there to /boot/grub/grub.cfg [19:54] Q do Y recomend use this nomodeset for this pc for all time? or wait and see if freez don;t come again [19:54] no freezing yet? [19:54] nop [19:54] arnold schwarzenegger was mr. freeze in thay previous batman saga [19:55] you dont believe but my passw for this pc is astalavista with some modifications :-D [19:56] looks like we got a working laptop? [19:57] i still waiting, because today in somethimes it work longet then 30min before freeze, sometimes freeze come after couple minutes [19:57] hmmm [19:57] surf something [19:59] Q: in /etc/default/grub i dont see any similar with boot option nomodeset. now im litle confuse [20:00] Unit193, would you check splash quiet line for him [20:00] or this is only file where i can change boot time timout? [20:01] Modris: You need to add nomodeset in this file [20:01] if this nomodeset is critical for this evo, then i want write it permanent in system, for now im not shore whitch file it wil be [20:05] Q ok, i found GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" is this correct line when i need write ..."quite nomodeset splash"? [20:05] In what file? [20:05] you can add it there as last [20:06] /etc/default/grub [20:06] and then update-grub [20:10] ok, it work - i can made change my default boot config. hope it can handle my freeze. Anyway from that moment no-freeze was disturb me, for no it is already some 20min and it looks great [20:11] :) [20:12] one beer i already finish, one i want send to bioterror and unit193 and hope this troube was a history. [20:12] bioterror did all the work :) [20:13] hmm [20:13] ive earned many beers in here :D === kille is now known as kill3^ [20:13] maybe i should inter rail one day [20:13] from now i can use grep, i know it is starter lever and simlple command but it come from Unit193 [20:14] Modris, try to use less instead of more [20:14] Modris: sudo updatedb && locate {filetofind} is great too [20:15] Look where? [20:15] can Y say in other word "maybe i should inter rail one day" my english is weak [20:15] bioterror; ? [20:21] Does lubuntu have something like the software manger gui in ubuntu where you can just click and add programs [20:22] synaptic [20:22] where is synamptic [20:22] start - system tools - synaptic package manager [20:23] hmm not there on mine [20:23] sudo synaptic from terminal [20:23] "sudo synaptic" from terminal [20:24] Modris; No! [20:24] gksudo synaptic [20:24] You want to start a graphical application, so you'd have to use gksudo [20:24] ok, what is difference, ok understand [20:25] nothing [20:25] & after and it will be launched to background [20:25] Modris; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#Graphical%20sudo [20:25] A good read btw ;) [20:26] MrChrisDruif: +1 [20:26] ok, i go to read, but in first look, for me work sudo synaptic too... ok, close my spam i go and read link [20:28] Modris; gksudo sets HOME=~root, and copies .Xauthority to a tmp directory. This prevents files in your home directory becoming owned by Root. [20:29] yes for now i read this, but ... i'm not sure that i understand this. [20:29] what is .xauthority [20:31] Modris, been over 30mins now? [20:31] I don't know, but what is said behind is the important part. It prevents files in your home dir becoming owned by root [20:31] ok, then - if i already start synaptic or other gui with sudo then i need go to my home and delete some files with root owner, is this correct? [20:32] It's just safer to start graphical apps with gksudo, keep it to that :) [20:33]