=== braiam is now known as guampa_ === guampa_ is now known as Braiam [01:55] is it possible to run iTunes in Ubuntu somehow? I already installed wine, but I'm lost after that [02:20] guess I'll come back later.. [02:54] hi all [03:49] I want to learn this, I am not asking this for something I am going to do now, but I am going to make some notes. Please make this as simple as possible [03:51] I am confused. 32-bit=i386=x86 isn't there another that is also 32-bit?, I used to think the version of Ubuntu I am running is i386 but I did something in the terminal a long time ago that said i600 or something like that, maybe it was i500 and something, but I know for sure I am running 32-bit. [03:53] r4y: i686 is also 32-bit [03:53] It would be nice to know this because I have seen deb packages with different labels like for instance i386, and so on [03:53] What do I type to find out? [03:54] um, x86 is 64bit normally, 686 is 32bit [03:54] type uname -a in a terminal [03:55] Linux ray-desktop 2.6.35-28-generic #50-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 18 19:00:26 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux [03:55] for 64 bit, it will say x86_64 [03:55] that i686 is 32bit [03:56] OK, so let me get this straight [03:56] x86_64 is 64-bit, x86 is 32-bit, i386 is 32-bit, i686 is 32-bit [03:57] right [03:57] and amd64 is 64bit [03:57] Is there another name for 64-bit?, I mean like 32-bit = i386, so 64-bit = i# [03:57] 64bit almost always has 64 in the thing, 32bit you see other numbers [03:58] 32bit = i386, 64bit = amd64 [03:58] OK, thank you for making things clear [03:58] Anything from Pentium Pro (or compatible) to today by Intel or AMD are i686 [03:58] I am going to make note [03:59] ApOgEE: yes, but the kernel still uses i686 to show 32bit [04:00] it is all quite confusing, isn't it? [04:00] yes, kernel user x86_64 to show 64bit [04:01] actually x86 is just the term given for the group of them, since they all have 86 in them. [04:02] TY, this has been very helpful [04:02] That makes sense! they cover any ?86 that way, huh? [04:05] kernel use x86_64 or x86-64 to show 64bit. more info here --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 [04:06] I am running Ubuntu 32-bit on a 64-bit computer, but I don't have much ram on this computer, but I found a thread here saying: [04:06] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/32-bit-or-64-bit-linux-kernel-56524/ [04:06] Well if the IBM iSeries is a 64bit machine then it has to run a 64bit kernel. They're not interchangable AFAIK. [04:06] I am running AMD64 [04:08] I remember asking about whether I should pick 32-bit or 64-bit. They said at the time that 64-bit has less working then 32-bit plus I don't have enough ram so using 64-bit would be pointless [04:09] 64bit system uses more ram than 32bit [04:10] I could say that, if you dont know much about the differences, it doesnt matter :D [04:10] Take care Charlie-tca [04:11] I guess he already left [04:11] oops [04:11] ;) [04:12] I suppose if I had a lot more ram then I might try Ubuntu 64-bit to see if Mupen64plus ran better and faster, but most games seem to work with the setup I am running [04:14] I read that PS2 games run better on dual CPUs [04:15] I've read many people saying different out comes regarding the emulation of PS2 [04:17] Some said it doesn't run at full speed even with the best setup, but then again that depends on the rom and how well programmers write the code for a rom to emulate [04:17] mupen seemes to run on my s64 bit install [04:18] Cool, so if I ever get more ram I will switch, then it's a matter of seeing what else works that also works on Ubuntu 32-bit [04:18] Back about a year ago I read about flash problems regarding Ubuntu 64-bit [04:23] yes, it has those. but i have 4 gigs of ram so i want to be able to use all of it [04:24] pae kernel supports up to 64GB ;) [04:25] I have half a Gig of ram, so that is why I am using Ubuntu 32-bit [04:25] Sounds crazy [04:41] http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/69585-should-you-choose-32-bit-64-bit-linux.html [04:43] I chose 64 bit becouse I want more than couple of gigs in the ifconfigs transfers [04:45] In time things will change I think [04:46] Well, TY you all for the help. Take care o/ [05:11] I am gathering commands, right now I have some lspci commands, such as lspci |grep VGA and lspci | grep Ethernet and lspci | grep audio [05:11] lspci | grep wireless didn't seem to do anything for me [05:22] Are there any other lspci commands to specify hardware chipsets?, VGA is for graphics card, Ethernet is Wireless I think, and audio is for sound card, so that would cover things I guess [05:22] r4y, sudo lshw |less [05:23] cpu, usb, I know there is more of coarse, sorry [05:23] I've used that before but without the less command [05:24] I just don't understand what less and more does [05:24] How is sudo lshw different from sudo lshw |less? === Captainkrte is now known as Captainkrtek [05:27] r4y: less is just a viewer where you can scroll if the output is long [05:28] hello [05:28] hello Captainkrtek [05:28] If the output is too long are there keyboard shortcuts I need to know about? [05:28] hi :) [05:29] r4y: for example, if you type $ dmesg | less [05:29] you can see the output of dmesg viewed in less [05:30] I've always wondered this same question for when at the boot terminal. I've seen the output go and go before and wondered how someone can get the info they need. Don't they need a way to also put that into a text file and so on [05:30] you can use up/down arrow key to scroll up [05:30] or down [05:30] does the wheel on the mouse do the same? [05:31] yes [05:31] and to quit, just press q [05:31] I see what you are saying for the boot terminal, then the up and down arrows would be needed I suppose [05:31] That's another story though [05:31] you can also search by typing your search term beginning with / [05:32] for example /shomething [05:33] lol, I have my terminal set to unlimited. I suppose there is a good reason they don't have it set to unlimited by default. Overloading space or something? [05:36] r4y: if you want to save the output in other text file in the less view, just type :s newfilename.txt [05:37] What would the combo command be for that? [05:37] good morning [05:37] morning coalwater [05:37] Top of the morning to you coalwater [05:38] im still half asleep and can barely see, and ty ApOgEE and r4y [05:38] what are u guys talking about here [05:38] it's already afternoon here in Malaysia ;) [05:38] combo command [05:38] I am learning [05:39] im in egypt, 7:38 am [05:39] Malaysia, 12:39 pm [05:40] ;) [05:40] I said that because commands can be used together, so I didn't know how else to say it, but it sounded dumb [05:40] commands like what? [05:41] lspci | grep audio [05:41] what have you [05:41] so any one lurking here who writes python? [05:41] I am still new to Linux [05:41] and r4y i wish i knew how to use grep [05:41] i know its a regex command but i never understand it [05:41] I've seen a few with grep [05:42] hm lets try this [05:42] !grep [05:42] The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal [05:42] dmesg | grep 'wlan0' and ifconfig | grep HWaddr and like the one I posted lspci | grep Ethernet [05:42] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/grep there :D ty ubot2 [05:43] also the concept of the | pipe thing is kinda unclear to me yet [05:44] coalwater: i wrote python sometimes [05:44] ApOgEE, ever used any db connections? [05:45] yes, why? [05:46] I guess I thought less was going to be different. I thought it was a one page at a time sort of this and that the page up, page down keyboard buttons where going to be used, but less show the output of the terminal so that if it is too long the terminal then doesn't have to be set to unlimited to see the whole output from beginning to end [05:47] This was from reading commands and what they do off of a peice of paper back when I was way more of a newbie then I am now, lol [05:47] * ApOgEE away [05:47] ApOgEE, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5926632 im working on this [05:47] aw, come back lol [05:48] I understand. It's all cool [05:49] * ApOgEE back [05:50] OK, I must not have understood, you guys are talking to each other not me [05:51] Regarding this, I don't understand: if you want to save the output in other text file in the less view, just type :s newfilename.txt [05:51] coalwater: what are u working on? [05:51] the programming challenges on the forum, a learning stage for me, python is new to me [05:53] i see... there is examples already in the thread for python + sqlite [05:53] just copy & try it [05:53] ;) [05:53] o, i didnt check there [05:54] o and a small question, i've never used sqlite before, but i've heard it uses a file as a db, with no engine needed to be installed, is that correct? [05:56] coalwater: this is a good example http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5935472&postcount=14 [05:56] yes, u just have to install sqlite [05:57] it works like keeping the database in a single file [05:57] like mydbname.db [05:57] can those files be read as a text? or is it a binary file [05:58] binary [05:58] alrighty, ty ApOgEE [05:59] welcome ;) [06:00] OK, I understand better now what you were saying about dmesg | less, the only thing now I don't understand is how to have that put into a text file [06:01] What I understand is that page up and page down do what I was thinking they would do, you said search by doing / then the word, q for quit [06:03] What you have shown me already is going to be useful to me. I always wanted to know how to search within the terminal [06:05] when im stuck with a long output i do something like command > out then nano out lol [06:05] I remember learn before that hitting h in the terminal when using the man page opens help [06:06] bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' [06:07] dmesg | less > [06:07] you can use 'less' to check the long output, then save it to text file using :s filename.txt [06:07] O, so make a text file then save to it? [06:07] r4y: the correct comand to directly output to file is $ dmesg > yourtextfile.txt [06:08] ApOgEE, 'ImportError: No module named pysqlite2.dbapi2 [06:08] ' , my python is 2.6.6 , is that the problem? [06:08] coalwater: did u install sqlite? [06:08] yea [06:08] perhaps sqlite3 / [06:08] apt-get install sqlite right? [06:09] ill check [06:09] ok it did install [06:10] still no change though [06:11] you should use sqlite3 [06:11] how? [06:12] import sqlite3 [06:12] OK, TY, it worked. I going to make notes [06:15] coalwater: i'm wrong... import pysqlite2.dbapi2 as sqlite [06:15] should work [06:15] isn't that what the forum post already was? i tried that [06:16] sudo apt-get install python-pysqlite2 [06:19] ApOgEE, http://docs.python.org/library/sqlite3.html#letting-your-object-adapt-itself can this do [06:19] they're importing sqlite just like that [06:22] should i just port the code to the sqlite3 ? since it's mrore recent? [06:24] So I can have any command's out put saved into a text file that is pre-made? [06:24] I am sorry, answer his question first [06:26] coalwater: i tried import sqlite3 on my fedora(my work pc is fedora, no ubuntu to test), didn't work... perhaps have to install python-sqlite3 to make it work [06:27] i did an apt-get install sqlite3 a lil bit ago, when u told me, i guess that's why it worked [06:27] coalwater: yes if you can [06:27] I guess this answers my question: man apt-get > yourtextfile.txt [06:27] it just didn't work on my fedora... heheh ;p [06:28] Really cool, TY [06:28] heh [06:28] I tried the more command and I like less more, lol [06:29] r4y: yes $ command > filename [06:29] will send the stdout to filename [06:29] TY again, this will be useful for me in the future [06:30] and if you do $ > filename , the content of filename will be emptied [06:30] I will make note of that [06:31] please note that dollar sign ($) in my example is just to show the bash prompt. it's not a command [06:33] Right [06:34] I am not adding it to my text file for reference [06:37] ;) [06:38] * ApOgEE away lunch time [06:39] ok, see u later ApOgEE [06:39] thanks for ur help :P [06:39] Enjoy your lunch [06:41] steal a sandwich for me :D [06:42] :D :P [06:51] This is what I have so far: [06:51] http://paste.ubuntu.com/610450/ [06:51] r4y, what if you use >>? [06:52] >> yourtextfile.txt [06:52] I will have to try [06:52] I need a sec [06:54] When I created that file to /usr/games I didn't have deleted set to use under nautilus, so where is the file so I can delete it?, .local trash or somewhere else, I haven't looked, I just wanted to let you know what I am doing [06:54] OK, it's not under .local [06:57] Where is trash otherwise located? [07:02] "/root/.local/share/Trash" never mind, I used google [07:09] r4y: i see your note... here's my comment [07:09] instead of dmesg | less > yourtextfile.txt [07:09] OK [07:10] you can just do dmesg > yortext.txt [07:10] so less is not needed when having it put into a file, OK [07:11] correct [07:12] Fixed [07:12] To have the full out put of a command put into a text file there is no need for less: dmesg > yourtextfile.txt [07:15] OK, I tried man apt-get >> yourtextfile.txt and I don't know how that is different then man apt-get > yourtextfile.txt [07:15] bioterror was saying to try 2 >s [07:17] r4y, to the same file [07:17] echo "what bioterror tries to say" >> yourtextfile.txt [07:18] I deleted the file and started over to make sure [07:18] oh well [07:18] you can do that as many times you want [07:18] That's neat [07:18] r4y: the different is '>' will create/overwrite the file. while '>>' will create/append the file [07:18] append? [07:18] look [07:18] try it [07:19] yes, try $ echo "hello" >> myhello.txt [07:19] then repeat 3 times [07:20] you will see 3 lines of "hello" in myhello.txt [07:20] or change "hello" to something else [07:20] O, I see [07:20] > creates the file again [07:20] >> adds that stuff to the bottom of the file [07:20] it will be handy [07:20] So leave what's there and write after it [07:20] yes [07:20] correct [07:20] making note [07:21] there's lots of things to learn ;) [07:21] those are just tip of the iceberg [07:22] right, it's crazy. Every subject can be like this simple or complex, or a mix of both [07:23] ;) [07:24] I made a boo boo, lol, without opening another terminal how do I go from the > back to "ray@ray-desktop:~$" [07:25] ? [07:26] I was going to do this: echo "hello" >> myhello.txt [07:26] but instead I did this without the first double quote: "hello" >> myhello.txt [07:26] I will post to pastebin [07:27] http://paste.ubuntu.com/610457/ [07:27] I have wondered about this before [07:31] It's no big deal. all I have to do is close it and start up a new terminal if I wanted or needed it [07:31] r4y: don't forget the 'echo' command [07:31] I have it, http://paste.ubuntu.com/610459/ [07:32] $ echo "hello there, this is any string" >> yourfile.txt [07:33] a string is a line a of words, right? [07:33] can it be a page of words? [07:34] correct [07:34] OK, so both [07:35] I don't know if I should ask this but here I go, what characters should and shouldn't be used in a string and text file name [07:35] line doesn't matters [07:37] You don't have to answer my last question, but you know I am trying to think, that's when you see smoke, and hear my gear sketching from the grinding and a loud explosion and then silence [07:37] :P :D [07:40] Alright, TY guys for the help. I should chill out. The weather got warmer here. Summer is going to be hot. [07:41] swimming would be great. [07:42] bye [07:50] if i cant fix a wiki page cause it's immutable ( probably needs a higher auth level than i have i think ) who should i send it to [07:51] coatwater you need a launchpad account [07:51] *coalwater [07:51] i do [07:51] you do have one? [07:51] yup [07:52] not to ask a stupid question. but are you signed it to the wiki [07:52] yup, checked that [07:53] it's a help page, i think that's why it's immutable, they dont want soeone messing with it lol [07:53] whats the link [07:53] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MoinMoin [07:54] what makes you want to edit it? [07:54] see the link MoinMoinEtymology, it gives a 404, i just wanted to replace it with http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinEtymology, nothing important i know, but that's why i just was gonna change it my self and leave lol [07:56] lol. email them! [07:57] them who [07:58] i would have checked with MrChrisDruif i know he's a wiki guy, but he's not on i think [08:08] philipballew_, someone in the doc channel told me it's immutable for them too, it's something that comes with the wiki installation, they'd need to upgrade the wiki version to fix it [08:09] coalwater that seems like what i suspected. i guess we'll have to wait on that [08:13] hey ApOgEE , do u know if i could return a dict from an sqlite select? [08:15] normally, you get an array of each row [08:16] like (u'thedata',u'datata') for each row [08:17] ApOgEE, yea, when i did a print and that's what i got, that's a tuple right? and i should know the order my self to use the data properly? [08:17] i wanted something like an associative array in php, so i could call like row['id'] or row['name'] etc [08:22] coalwater: i see.. u mean like mysql_fetch_assoc($result) [08:22] ApOgEE, yea something like that [08:24] coalwater: haven't tried that yet ;p [08:25] tell me if you found it [08:25] ApOgEE, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/811548/sqlite-and-python-return-a-dictionary-using-fetchone#811637 dunno why it needs all that lol [08:31] coalwater: look at this hack http://www.mouldy.org/a-quick-guide-to-using-mysql-in-python <-- look at "Getting your results as a dictionary" [08:45] ApOgEE, too much pain for something i don't need right now lol, im just gonna print the fields by index number lol [08:48] hehe... KISS [08:48] python coder love KISS [08:49] do you want to say i am no python coder ApOgEE ? [08:51] and whats kiss lol [08:51] i know the mwah type of kiss, that's all lol [08:53] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle <-- ;) [08:54] i thought you mean the rock band xD [08:54] xardas008 hehehe... [08:55] o please, don't tell me a guy became famous because he made up that sentence lol [08:58] haha [09:06] ApOgEE, http://paste.ubuntu.com/610493/ finally lol [09:22] coalwater: nice [09:26] coalwater: i just s/sqlite3/pysqlite2.dbapi2 as sqlite3/ to make it work here... ;p [09:27] lol good [09:29] i could be a lil abusive and do an insert loop and crash people's computers lol [09:29] since it uses a memory db [09:31] ok maybe i shouldnt have said that on a logged irc channel lol jk [10:23] I can't remember the password to log on to my laptop. Any suggestions? [12:24] if i want to import in a python class, should i do it in the __init__ or before the class definition or what [14:18] anyone here this morning? [14:19] grover78: here what [14:19] is it possible to run iTunes with Ubuntu? [14:20] grover78: take .exe with wine [14:21] ok... download iTunes, but run the .exe setup file in wine? [14:21] I've downloaded wine but haven't used it yet [14:21] I'm pretty new at ubuntu [14:24] grover78: open terminal [14:25] grover78: run " tar xvf with tar file " [14:25] grover78: cd to wine folder [14:25] grover78: do ./configure [14:25] make [14:25] make install [14:27] grover78: there is only a certain known working version of itunes [14:27] grover78: wine will not ensure a fully functional itunes install jfyi [14:27] well all I wanna be able to do is load my music back on my ipod. [14:28] I've tried gtkpod but for whatever reason the ipod doesn't sync [14:28] iFail :( [14:29] iProducts are too integrated to iTunes [14:29] I agree bioterror but the ipod was a gift [14:30] which means I have to use itunes. [14:30] :( [14:31] :) [14:31] hi raj [14:31] bioterror: hey [14:31] so is it possible to sync an iPod to my music collection (with or without iTunes) on ubuntu? [14:32] or do I have to revert back to XP... [14:37] should be [14:38] should be... but how involved/complex a process is it? [14:38] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone [14:42] that looks like it should work. I'll give it a go, maybe later tonight. [14:42] Thanks for the find bioterror [14:42] np [14:42] hope you get it working [14:43] sorry but i alwaays like to do this [14:43] !ipod [14:43] For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto - For the iPhone and the iPod Touch, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone - See !RockBox for information on liberating your iPod [14:43] LIBERATING! [14:43] that sounds good [14:43] let your iPod play OGG! [14:44] LOL [14:45] !RockBox | coalwater [14:45] coalwater, please see my private message [14:51] I have a dual-boot: Windows/Ubuntu. Is there a way to have Windows the default boot even after kernel updates? [14:56] johnny77: i must ask, why would you want that? [14:56] johnny77: to answer your question yea it is, remove linux.... [14:58] stlsaint: Why? There are some programs that either run a whole lot better in Windows or only in Windows, so I want Window default, but I'm not quite ready to completely throw Ubuntu away. [14:58] I was hoping for a way to edit Grub to boot Windows by default not Ubuntu. [14:59] yes johnny77 u can, i haev that on my comp [14:59] to change the default option on grub menu [14:59] yes it is possible [14:59] coalwater: take it away :D [14:59] lol i will soon, just waiting for a better internet connection [14:59] applied for a new one , should be ready sometime next week [15:00] lol [15:00] i have xp, ubuntu is more well organized than xp [15:01] i have lots of active programs, dont like the huge list on the task bar on the bottom [15:01] <3 workspaces lol [15:01] coalwater: I've read that if I change the default option in Grub Menu to 5 (windows in my case) it will boot Windows. But the problem is, if I update the kernel then it will two options to the grub. [15:02] Thus changing the 5 to 7. So every kernel update, I'll need to manually change the number. [15:02] it will what? [15:02] o [15:02] is that bad? [15:03] johnny77: you will not have *too* many updates and you can set ubuntu to only show whatever kernel you want [15:03] I can do that, but I just wanted to check to see if it might be easier to put windows on the top. [15:04] * stlsaint goes to get some subway samich!! [15:06] stlsaint, i'll always love this http://www.tomshardware.com/news/the-oatmeal-how-to-fix-computer,12618.html [15:08] do a shell with regex that increments the choice +2 when runned,run it after each kernel upgrade, and of course it requires root access when u run it, or just do it manually :D lol [15:08] or nvm, he left lol === TheDaniel0108 is now known as Daniel0108 [15:44] hi all [15:45] Mornin' [15:45] I'm looking for a way to store a text file somewhere, then being able to edit it from different client boxen [15:45] hey Sidewinder1 [15:45] boxen? [15:45] computers ;) [15:46] so that I can work on it on one machine, then sync it and work more on it on another machine [15:46] Perhaps, share the directory in which you store the txt file. [15:46] good idea, nice and simple [15:46] kiss... [15:47] is there somewhere I can get a free account where I can do this? [15:47] Mornin' bodhi!!! [15:47] * kristian_ is a guy, btw [15:47] kristian_: google docs perhaps [15:48] hey geirha :) [15:48] or ubuntu one or dropbox [15:48] kristian_, why not just do it on your local machine? Unless you're talking about shareing over WAN. [15:48] I prefer to avoid Cthoogle for this [15:48] Sidewinder1, I am talking WAN... and internet also [15:49] kristian_, kiss is, since I am, Keep It Simple Stupid... :-) [15:49] for instance, I am in a train right now w/ laptop... would be nice to do these things [15:49] ah, that kind of KISS :) [15:49] kristian_, Yes! [15:50] keep it sweet, simple... I believe that is the bowdlerized version [15:50] kristian_, geirha is much more familiar with WAN shareing than I... :-( [15:51] Well, sounds like Ubuntu One is what you want. Or Dropbox if you need support for more operating systems. [15:51] Or does UbuntuOne have that now? Haven't checked it in a long while. [15:54]