| === Captainkrte is now known as Captainkrtek | ||
| j1mc | hi all | 05:50 |
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| Captainkrtek | hey j1 | 05:52 |
| Captainkrtek | j1mc, ^ | 05:52 |
| Captainkrtek | tab autocomplete fail | 05:53 |
| j1mc | hi Captainkrtek | 05:53 |
| Captainkrtek | hola | 05:53 |
| j1mc | howdy | 05:53 |
| Captainkrtek | working on anythin? | 05:53 |
| j1mc | it's almost midnight here, so not rightnow | 05:54 |
| j1mc | i did some work today, though. nothing too big | 05:54 |
| Captainkrtek | on what project? | 05:57 |
| j1mc | docs - i reviewed some pages and reviewed some bugs. there's an email on the list about it. | 05:59 |
| j1mc | mdke is going to propose a stable release update (SRU) to get some fixes out, and now we're in a 'hard freeze' on the natty branch. | 05:59 |
| j1mc | that means we're all systems go on the oneiric branch. :) | 05:59 |
| Captainkrtek | very cool | 06:05 |
| j1mc | Captainkrtek: where are you from, if you don't mind me asking | 06:05 |
| Captainkrtek | so the last changes we all made to natty are going to be in an update soon? :) | 06:05 |
| Captainkrtek | Seattle, WA, USA | 06:05 |
| j1mc | ah, cool. i have a friend who lives in Ballard (?) I think that's the neighborhood | 06:06 |
| j1mc | are you in school or working or ... | 06:06 |
| Captainkrtek | yeah | 06:06 |
| Captainkrtek | school and working | 06:06 |
| Captainkrtek | Im a device testing project lead for samsung | 06:06 |
| Captainkrtek | and a systems administrator | 06:06 |
| j1mc | ah, ok - cool | 06:06 |
| Captainkrtek | sys admin part time | 06:06 |
| Captainkrtek | hope to see my name soon in the changelog :) | 06:07 |
| j1mc | :) | 06:10 |
| Captainkrtek | j1mc, where are you located if I may ask? | 06:10 |
| j1mc | I'm in Chicago | 06:11 |
| Captainkrtek | ahh cool :) | 06:11 |
| coalwater | hello | 08:00 |
| mdke | hi coalwater | 08:02 |
| coalwater | i need to ask a small something, u guys mentain the wikis right? | 08:02 |
| mdke | the help wiki, but we might be able to help - go ahead | 08:03 |
| coalwater | i know it's gonna be silly ,but i wanted to fix a link on an immutable page | 08:04 |
| coalwater | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MoinMoin | 08:04 |
| mdke | ah, we can't change those pages either. They come with the upstream software | 08:05 |
| coalwater | see, apparently all the links that are linking to moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de were moved to moinmo.in | 08:06 |
| coalwater | and ok o well lol | 08:06 |
| coalwater | guess it needs to be changed from the core then right ? lol nvm then | 08:06 |
| mdke | we would need to upgrade the wiki in order to fix that | 08:06 |
| mdke | I believe an upgrade is planned though | 08:06 |
| coalwater | so there isn't any like super wiki user huh :D | 08:07 |
| mdke | not for these pages, I don't think | 08:07 |
| mdke | only someone with administrative access to the server could touch them | 08:07 |
| coalwater | ok, thanks | 08:08 |
| === liz__ is now known as Atamira | ||
| mdke | evening all | 21:10 |
| UndiFineD | hello mdke | 21:16 |
| Rocket2DMn | good afternoon folks | 21:16 |
| mdke | hey Rocket2DMn | 21:17 |
| Rocket2DMn | hey mdke , did you get my question a couple weeks ago about XSL changes to the docbook builds? | 21:18 |
| UndiFineD | is there an official full lamp guide ? | 21:18 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: I think so but you weren't around when I saw it. What was it again? | 21:18 |
| Rocket2DMn | UndiFineD, there is some stuff in the serverguide, not sure if it covers everything though - https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/serverguide/C/lamp-applications.html | 21:18 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, i have some changes to clean up the docbook html build, i wasnt sure if you wanted to have it committed though | 21:19 |
| Rocket2DMn | i have all the validation errors cleaned up except one | 21:19 |
| UndiFineD | as I tried to get something going: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Docs/SoD2011 | 21:19 |
| Rocket2DMn | ahh summer of documentation :) | 21:19 |
| Rocket2DMn | yours truly started that | 21:20 |
| Rocket2DMn | glad to see its still going | 21:20 |
| UndiFineD | thanks :) | 21:20 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: what are the reasons against committing it? | 21:20 |
| Rocket2DMn | not much really, i'd like it tested first though | 21:20 |
| Rocket2DMn | the biggest concern i have was a change to the CSS realting to the search in the header | 21:21 |
| mdke | ok. I'm not that knowledgeable about html validity issues | 21:21 |
| Rocket2DMn | we have a <script> and a <noscript> copy of the search stuff - they had the same ID which was an error, so i gave one a new ID | 21:21 |
| mdke | oh right | 21:21 |
| Rocket2DMn | i just wanted to make sure it worked correcty | 21:22 |
| UndiFineD | I really like: achecker.ca | 21:22 |
| mdke | i'm happy for you to commit if it improves things; although if there are xsl changes, then possibly they should also be resolved upstream unless the changes are with our specific code | 21:22 |
| Rocket2DMn | the only error remaining relates to that as well, it complains that <form> element is not allowed there | 21:22 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, the XSL changes are just for ubuntu-docs wrapper around the docbook-xsl, no upstream changes | 21:22 |
| mdke | ok, cool | 21:23 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, i can commit it in a few minutes if you want to test it out. i think i saw that you are planning on pushing a SRU soon | 21:23 |
| mdke | commit it to oneiric if you think it needs a bit of testing | 21:23 |
| mdke | I sent a SRU this morning for gnome-user-docs in natty, if that's the same one you are thinking of | 21:23 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, oneiric is different, that has a completely different build script | 21:23 |
| mdke | oh, I thought that was the one you were working on | 21:24 |
| Rocket2DMn | im talking ubuntu-docs (g-u-d isnt docbook), and its for natty and earlier | 21:24 |
| mdke | so it's the docbook stuff you are working on? | 21:24 |
| Rocket2DMn | oneiric has the mallard transformations | 21:24 |
| mdke | right, also gnome-user-docs in natty | 21:24 |
| Rocket2DMn | yes, docbook only, i can send you the patch to apply to your own checkout if you want to test it befor ei commit | 21:24 |
| mdke | I'm happy for you to go ahead | 21:24 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok, standby ill double check the work now and commit it | 21:25 |
| mdke | what do we do with help.u.com? can we fix the html with sed or should we look at rebuilding? | 21:25 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, you mean the static pages at the top level? | 21:26 |
| mdke | I mean everything | 21:26 |
| Rocket2DMn | that's what this is for, so we would be better off pushing a new build once the changes are in the correct stable branches | 21:27 |
| Rocket2DMn | trying to use sed on that would be way too much work i think | 21:27 |
| Rocket2DMn | probably unreliable too | 21:28 |
| mdke | ok, that's what I figured but I wasn't sure how bad things were ;) | 21:28 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, the XSL is run on every page, so the problem affects all of them | 21:29 |
| Rocket2DMn | the top level index page is not correct either, it may be easier to copy over the actual content of the page into an index.html that was correctly generated | 21:30 |
| mdke | sure, but it depends on the type of problem. But I've got the idea | 21:30 |
| Rocket2DMn | (there are a couple of other static pages at the top level too i think) | 21:30 |
| j1mc | hi all | 21:30 |
| mdke | hey Jim | 21:30 |
| Rocket2DMn | hey j1mc | 21:31 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, i just committed the 90% fix | 21:31 |
| Rocket2DMn | grab the update and do a HTML build | 21:31 |
| Rocket2DMn | it should only get 1 validation error now (natty) | 21:31 |
| j1mc | Rocket2DMn: it sounds like you're talking about the html build of the server guide | 21:33 |
| j1mc | is that right? | 21:33 |
| j1mc | docbook -> xslt -> html ? | 21:33 |
| Rocket2DMn | j1mc, not just the serverguide, all html builds | 21:33 |
| j1mc | ah, ok | 21:33 |
| Rocket2DMn | docbook generated ones that is | 21:33 |
| j1mc | oh, you mean the 'maverick and earlier' desktop help, too, then? | 21:33 |
| Rocket2DMn | mallard in oneiric is another story, i pushed a fix for that a few weeks ago. it's a workaround until upstream generates a HTML5 doctype themselves | 21:34 |
| j1mc | ok | 21:34 |
| j1mc | that is a good idea to work on with upstream, i think. html5 builds for the yelp-xsl builds. at least something to consider. | 21:35 |
| Rocket2DMn | j1mc, it literally just inserts the header into the html files after the build is done | 21:36 |
| Rocket2DMn | i tried having it done during the XSL build from mallard->html5 but it failed miserably | 21:36 |
| j1mc | ah | 21:36 |
| j1mc | i am just learning xslt... going through a big xslt book. i figure it was time for me to learn it. | 21:36 |
| j1mc | s/figure/figured | 21:37 |
| Rocket2DMn | yeah, either the XSLT version just doesn't understand what the HTML5 header is, or the parser doesnt know and it screwd stuff up | 21:37 |
| * j1mc nods | 21:37 | |
| Rocket2DMn | and i could inject it statically into the XSLT either | 21:37 |
| j1mc | thanks for that, Rocket2DMn | 21:37 |
| Rocket2DMn | couldnt* | 21:37 |
| Rocket2DMn | np, i have some experience with XSLT, it can take awhile to grasp of how it actually behaves | 21:37 |
| Rocket2DMn | it actually reminded me of a programming language i dabbled with briefly in college which treated inputs in a templated fashion, i dont recall what language it was though | 21:38 |
| mdke | thanks Rocket2DMn | 21:39 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: some of those things you have changed I think are still used in gnome-user-docs/natty and ubuntu-docs/oneiric | 21:39 |
| Rocket2DMn | it might have been LISP, but i'm not sure | 21:39 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, yes, oneiric ubuntu-docs is up to date though | 21:39 |
| mdke | particularly the ones to do with the Google search I think | 21:39 |
| j1mc | mdke: should we do any cleanup on the ubuntu-doc-committers list? there is at least one guy, george lesica, who contributed to xubuntu docs, but it was years ago. | 21:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | i actually came up with the docbook fixes first but never committed them, then did the oneiric stuff and committed that b/c i got it all working properly | 21:40 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: oh I see, in revision 7 | 21:40 |
| j1mc | i'm still in touch w/him. he's in illinois. | 21:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/oneiric/revision/7 | 21:41 |
| mdke | does the css also need to change there? | 21:41 |
| j1mc | i guess it's a low priority | 21:41 |
| mdke | j1mc: it's not a bad idea, I've sometimes thought about that myself. Should we write to people to ask, do you think? | 21:41 |
| mdke | or maybe set an expiry on the team so that people can renew themselves every 6 months or so | 21:42 |
| j1mc | i think an initial note would be nice. an inquiry of sorts. | 21:42 |
| j1mc | there are people like nixternal (richard johnson) who are on that list but aren't contributing now, but ... richard could come back. | 21:43 |
| j1mc | i wouldn't want to remove him. | 21:43 |
| mdke | yes, he should stay, it's more like those who haven't contributed for many years | 21:43 |
| j1mc | right | 21:43 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, i dont recall seeing any css errors in the oneiric branch, let me check the output | 21:44 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: I was just thinking that you changed the Google search css in the docbook builds, and I think that I just copied those over for the mallard build | 21:44 |
| mdke | (before you changed it) | 21:44 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, is there a CSS file in oneiric? | 21:46 |
| mdke | it's all in ubuntu.xsl | 21:47 |
| Rocket2DMn | ah i see | 21:47 |
| Rocket2DMn | i thought i had the errors fixed in oneiric, but now i'm seeing some | 21:48 |
| Rocket2DMn | not relating to namespaces though | 21:48 |
| mdke | I think any errors in oneiric will also be in gnome-user-docs/natty | 21:49 |
| mdke | including the errors you've fixed already | 21:49 |
| mdke | if you don't mind poking around, that's much appreciated | 21:49 |
| Rocket2DMn | yeah i | 21:52 |
| Rocket2DMn | ill look around, havent done work in the gnome-user-docs branches yet for this i dont think | 21:52 |
| Rocket2DMn | i think w3 may have updated their html5 checker, b/c i asnt getting these errors before (complains about img elements not having an alt attribute) | 21:53 |
| mdke | thanks dude | 21:55 |
| * mdke -> signing off for the evening | 21:55 | |
| j1mc | later, mdke | 21:56 |
| j1mc | Rocket2DMn: i noticed that i couldn't switch a bug from being assigned to ubuntu-docs to the server guide | 21:56 |
| j1mc | have you noticed that? | 21:56 |
| Rocket2DMn | j1mc, ubuntu-docs is an ubuntu package, serverguide is an upstream project | 21:58 |
| j1mc | is there a reason for that? | 21:58 |
| Rocket2DMn | (we also have ubuntu-docs as an upstream project but we dont track bugs there anymore) | 21:58 |
| Rocket2DMn | serverguide is not an ubuntu package anymore | 21:58 |
| j1mc | ah, ok | 21:58 |
| j1mc | do you know what we should do when someone files a bug against the ubuntu-docs package but the bug actually applies to the server guide? | 21:59 |
| Rocket2DMn | looks like ubuntu-serverguide was last a package in lucid | 21:59 |
| * j1mc nods | 21:59 | |
| Rocket2DMn | j1mc, open the task against the serverguide project. unless you think its something we'll do a SRU for, close the task against ubuntu-docs | 21:59 |
| Rocket2DMn | we still have a half dozen or so serverguide bugs i left open that we might SRU, but the rest are closed | 22:00 |
| j1mc | ah, cool. | 22:01 |
| j1mc | i see how mdke did it with this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/785389 | 22:01 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 785389 in ubuntu-docs "Bug in dovecot-postfix configuration documentation" [Undecided,Invalid] | 22:01 |
| j1mc | that's what i needed to know | 22:01 |
| * j1mc feels sleepy. i don't know why i have felt sleepy somewhere between 2-4pm all week. | 22:02 | |
| Rocket2DMn | yeah j1mc that's the correct approach | 22:02 |
| j1mc | ok - i'm going to take off for a bit. thanks for your help, Rocket2DMn | 22:07 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, i see you did a community interview, very cool | 23:19 |
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