[05:50] <j1mc> hi all
[05:52] <Captainkrtek> hey j1
[05:52] <Captainkrtek> j1mc, ^
[05:53] <Captainkrtek> tab autocomplete fail
[05:53] <j1mc> hi Captainkrtek
[05:53] <Captainkrtek> hola
[05:53] <j1mc> howdy
[05:53] <Captainkrtek> working on anythin?
[05:54] <j1mc> it's almost midnight here, so not rightnow
[05:54] <j1mc> i did some work today, though. nothing too big
[05:57] <Captainkrtek> on what project?
[05:59] <j1mc> docs - i reviewed some pages and reviewed some bugs. there's an email on the list about it.
[05:59] <j1mc> mdke is going to propose a stable release update (SRU) to get some fixes out, and now we're in a 'hard freeze' on the natty branch.
[05:59] <j1mc> that means we're all systems go on the oneiric branch. :)
[06:05] <Captainkrtek> very cool
[06:05] <j1mc> Captainkrtek: where are you from, if you don't mind me asking
[06:05] <Captainkrtek> so the last changes we all made to natty are going to be in an update soon? :)
[06:05] <Captainkrtek> Seattle, WA, USA
[06:06] <j1mc> ah, cool. i have a friend who lives in Ballard (?) I think that's the neighborhood
[06:06] <j1mc> are you in school or working or ...
[06:06] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[06:06] <Captainkrtek> school and working
[06:06] <Captainkrtek> Im a device testing project lead for samsung
[06:06] <Captainkrtek> and a systems administrator
[06:06] <j1mc> ah, ok - cool
[06:06] <Captainkrtek> sys admin part time
[06:07] <Captainkrtek> hope to see my name soon in the changelog :)
[06:10] <j1mc> :)
[06:10] <Captainkrtek> j1mc, where are you located if I may ask?
[06:11] <j1mc> I'm in Chicago
[06:11] <Captainkrtek> ahh cool :)
[08:00] <coalwater> hello
[08:02] <mdke> hi coalwater
[08:02] <coalwater> i need to ask a small something, u guys mentain the wikis right?
[08:03] <mdke> the help wiki, but we might be able to help - go ahead
[08:04] <coalwater> i know it's gonna be silly ,but i wanted to fix a link on an immutable page
[08:04] <coalwater> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MoinMoin
[08:05] <mdke> ah, we can't change those pages either. They come with the upstream software
[08:06] <coalwater> see, apparently all the links that are linking to moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de were moved to moinmo.in
[08:06] <coalwater> and ok o well lol
[08:06] <coalwater> guess it needs to be changed from the core then right ? lol nvm then
[08:06] <mdke> we would need to upgrade the wiki in order to fix that
[08:06] <mdke> I believe an upgrade is planned though
[08:07] <coalwater> so there isn't any like super wiki user huh :D
[08:07] <mdke> not for these pages, I don't think
[08:07] <mdke> only someone with administrative access to the server could touch them
[08:08] <coalwater> ok, thanks
[21:10] <mdke> evening all
[21:16] <UndiFineD> hello mdke
[21:16] <Rocket2DMn> good afternoon folks
[21:17] <mdke> hey Rocket2DMn
[21:18] <Rocket2DMn> hey mdke , did you get my question a couple weeks ago about XSL changes to the docbook builds?
[21:18] <UndiFineD> is there an official full lamp guide ?
[21:18] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: I think so but you weren't around when I saw it. What was it again?
[21:18] <Rocket2DMn> UndiFineD, there is some stuff in the serverguide, not sure if it covers everything though - https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/serverguide/C/lamp-applications.html
[21:19] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, i have some changes to clean up the docbook html build, i wasnt sure if you wanted to have it committed though
[21:19] <Rocket2DMn> i have all the validation errors cleaned up except one
[21:19] <UndiFineD> as I tried to get something going: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Docs/SoD2011
[21:19] <Rocket2DMn> ahh summer of documentation :)
[21:20] <Rocket2DMn> yours truly started that
[21:20] <Rocket2DMn> glad to see its still going
[21:20] <UndiFineD> thanks :)
[21:20] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: what are the reasons against committing it?
[21:20] <Rocket2DMn> not much really, i'd like it tested first though
[21:21] <Rocket2DMn> the biggest concern i have was a change to the CSS realting to the search in the header
[21:21] <mdke> ok. I'm not that knowledgeable about html validity issues
[21:21] <Rocket2DMn> we have a <script> and a <noscript> copy of the search stuff - they had the same ID which was an error, so i gave one a new ID
[21:21] <mdke> oh right
[21:22] <Rocket2DMn> i just wanted to make sure it worked correcty
[21:22] <UndiFineD> I really like: achecker.ca
[21:22] <mdke> i'm happy for you to commit if it improves things; although if there are xsl changes, then possibly they should also be resolved upstream unless the changes are with our specific code
[21:22] <Rocket2DMn> the only error remaining relates to that as well, it complains that <form> element is not allowed there
[21:22] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, the XSL changes are just for ubuntu-docs wrapper around the docbook-xsl, no upstream changes
[21:23] <mdke> ok, cool
[21:23] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, i can commit it in a few minutes if you want to test it out.  i think i saw that you are planning on pushing a SRU soon
[21:23] <mdke> commit it to oneiric if you think it needs a bit of testing
[21:23] <mdke> I sent a SRU this morning for gnome-user-docs in natty, if that's the same one you are thinking of
[21:23] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, oneiric is different, that has a completely different build script
[21:24] <mdke> oh, I thought that was the one you were working on
[21:24] <Rocket2DMn> im talking ubuntu-docs (g-u-d isnt docbook), and its for natty and earlier
[21:24] <mdke> so it's the docbook stuff you are working on?
[21:24] <Rocket2DMn> oneiric has the mallard transformations
[21:24] <mdke> right, also gnome-user-docs in natty
[21:24] <Rocket2DMn> yes, docbook only, i can send you the patch to apply to your own checkout if you want to test it befor ei commit
[21:24] <mdke> I'm happy for you to go ahead
[21:25] <Rocket2DMn> ok, standby ill double check the work now and commit it
[21:25] <mdke> what do we do with help.u.com? can we fix the html with sed or should we look at rebuilding?
[21:26] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, you mean the static pages at the top level?
[21:26] <mdke> I mean everything
[21:27] <Rocket2DMn> that's what this is for, so we would be better off pushing a new build once the changes are in the correct stable branches
[21:27] <Rocket2DMn> trying to use sed on that would be way too much work i think
[21:28] <Rocket2DMn> probably unreliable too
[21:28] <mdke> ok, that's what I figured but I wasn't sure how bad things were ;)
[21:29] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, the XSL is run on every page, so the problem affects all of them
[21:30] <Rocket2DMn> the top level index page is not correct either, it may be easier to copy over the actual content of the page into an index.html that was correctly generated
[21:30] <mdke> sure, but it depends on the type of problem. But I've got the idea
[21:30] <Rocket2DMn> (there are a couple of other static pages at the top level too i think)
[21:30] <j1mc> hi all
[21:30] <mdke> hey Jim
[21:31] <Rocket2DMn> hey j1mc
[21:31] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, i just committed the 90% fix
[21:31] <Rocket2DMn> grab the update and do a HTML build
[21:31] <Rocket2DMn> it should only get 1 validation error now (natty)
[21:33] <j1mc> Rocket2DMn: it sounds like you're talking about the html build of the server guide
[21:33] <j1mc> is that right?
[21:33] <j1mc> docbook -> xslt -> html ?
[21:33] <Rocket2DMn> j1mc, not just the serverguide, all html builds
[21:33] <j1mc> ah, ok
[21:33] <Rocket2DMn> docbook generated ones that is
[21:33] <j1mc> oh, you mean the 'maverick and earlier' desktop help, too, then?
[21:34] <Rocket2DMn> mallard in oneiric is another story, i pushed a fix for that a few weeks ago.  it's a workaround until upstream generates a HTML5 doctype themselves
[21:34] <j1mc> ok
[21:35] <j1mc> that is a good idea to work on with upstream, i think. html5 builds for the yelp-xsl builds. at least something to consider.
[21:36] <Rocket2DMn> j1mc, it literally just inserts the header into the html files after the build is done
[21:36] <Rocket2DMn> i tried having it done during the XSL build from mallard->html5 but it failed miserably
[21:36] <j1mc> ah
[21:36] <j1mc> i am just learning xslt... going through a big xslt book. i figure it was time for me to learn it.
[21:37] <j1mc> s/figure/figured
[21:37] <Rocket2DMn> yeah, either the XSLT version just doesn't understand what the HTML5 header is, or the parser doesnt know and it screwd stuff up
[21:37]  * j1mc nods
[21:37] <Rocket2DMn> and i could inject it statically into the XSLT either
[21:37] <j1mc> thanks for that, Rocket2DMn
[21:37] <Rocket2DMn> couldnt*
[21:37] <Rocket2DMn> np, i have some experience with XSLT, it can take awhile to grasp of how it actually behaves
[21:38] <Rocket2DMn> it actually reminded me of a programming language i dabbled with briefly in college which treated inputs in a templated fashion, i dont recall what language it was though
[21:39] <mdke> thanks Rocket2DMn
[21:39] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: some of those things you have changed I think are still used in gnome-user-docs/natty and ubuntu-docs/oneiric
[21:39] <Rocket2DMn> it might have been LISP, but i'm not sure
[21:39] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, yes, oneiric ubuntu-docs is up to date though
[21:39] <mdke> particularly the ones to do with the Google search I think
[21:40] <j1mc> mdke: should we do any cleanup on the ubuntu-doc-committers list? there is at least one guy, george lesica, who contributed to xubuntu docs, but it was years ago.
[21:40] <Rocket2DMn> i actually came up with the docbook fixes first but never committed them, then did the oneiric stuff and committed that b/c i got it all working properly
[21:40] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: oh I see, in revision 7
[21:40] <j1mc> i'm still in touch w/him. he's in illinois.
[21:41] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/oneiric/revision/7
[21:41] <mdke> does the css also need to change there?
[21:41] <j1mc> i guess it's a low priority
[21:41] <mdke> j1mc: it's not a bad idea, I've sometimes thought about that myself. Should we write to people to ask, do you think?
[21:42] <mdke> or maybe set an expiry on the team so that people can renew themselves every 6 months or so
[21:42] <j1mc> i think an initial note would be nice. an inquiry of sorts.
[21:43] <j1mc> there are people like nixternal (richard johnson) who are on that list but aren't contributing now, but ... richard could come back.
[21:43] <j1mc> i wouldn't want to remove him.
[21:43] <mdke> yes, he should stay, it's more like those who haven't contributed for many years
[21:43] <j1mc> right
[21:44] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, i dont recall seeing any css errors in the oneiric branch, let me check the output
[21:44] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: I was just thinking that you changed the Google search css in the docbook builds, and I think that I just copied those over for the mallard build
[21:44] <mdke> (before you changed it)
[21:46] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, is there a CSS file in oneiric?
[21:47] <mdke> it's all in ubuntu.xsl
[21:47] <Rocket2DMn> ah i see
[21:48] <Rocket2DMn> i thought i had the errors fixed in oneiric, but now i'm seeing some
[21:48] <Rocket2DMn> not relating to namespaces though
[21:49] <mdke> I think any errors in oneiric will also be in gnome-user-docs/natty
[21:49] <mdke> including the errors you've fixed already
[21:49] <mdke> if you don't mind poking around, that's much appreciated
[21:52] <Rocket2DMn> yeah i
[21:52] <Rocket2DMn> ill look around, havent done work in the gnome-user-docs branches yet for this i dont think
[21:53] <Rocket2DMn> i think w3 may have updated their html5 checker, b/c i asnt getting these errors before (complains about img elements not having an alt attribute)
[21:55] <mdke> thanks dude
[21:55]  * mdke -> signing off for the evening
[21:56] <j1mc> later, mdke
[21:56] <j1mc> Rocket2DMn: i noticed that i couldn't switch a bug from being assigned to ubuntu-docs to the server guide
[21:56] <j1mc> have you noticed that?
[21:58] <Rocket2DMn> j1mc, ubuntu-docs is an ubuntu package, serverguide is an upstream project
[21:58] <j1mc> is there a reason for that?
[21:58] <Rocket2DMn> (we also have ubuntu-docs as an upstream project but we dont track bugs there anymore)
[21:58] <Rocket2DMn> serverguide is not an ubuntu package anymore
[21:58] <j1mc> ah, ok
[21:59] <j1mc> do you know what we should do when someone files a bug against the ubuntu-docs package but the bug actually applies to the server guide?
[21:59] <Rocket2DMn> looks like ubuntu-serverguide was last a package in lucid
[21:59]  * j1mc nods
[21:59] <Rocket2DMn> j1mc, open the task against the serverguide project.  unless you think its something we'll do a SRU for, close the task against ubuntu-docs
[22:00] <Rocket2DMn> we still have a half dozen or so serverguide bugs i left open that we might SRU, but the rest are closed
[22:01] <j1mc> ah, cool.
[22:01] <j1mc> i see how mdke did it with this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/785389
[22:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 785389 in ubuntu-docs "Bug in dovecot-postfix configuration documentation" [Undecided,Invalid]
[22:01] <j1mc> that's what i needed to know
[22:02]  * j1mc feels sleepy. i don't know why i have felt sleepy somewhere between 2-4pm all week.
[22:02] <Rocket2DMn> yeah j1mc  that's the correct approach
[22:07] <j1mc> ok - i'm going to take off for a bit. thanks for your help, Rocket2DMn
[23:19] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, i see you did a community interview, very cool