| === niemeyer_ is now known as niemeyer | ||
| niemeyer | Hey there | 02:43 |
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| wrtp | test | 08:11 |
| niemeyer | Good mornings | 14:29 |
| koolhead17 | hi all | 15:11 |
| koolhead17 | kim0: now can say it officially :) ^o^ | 15:11 |
| kim0 | koolhead17: hey :) | 15:13 |
| kim0 | koolhead17: so what's up | 15:14 |
| koolhead17 | yes i can officially work on it !! :) | 15:14 |
| kim0 | koolhead17: Ensemble ? | 15:15 |
| koolhead17 | its yeah :) | 15:15 |
| kim0 | hhee cool :) | 15:15 |
| kim0 | rock n roll | 15:15 |
| koolhead17 | its in my TODO now | 15:15 |
| kim0 | koolhead17: so what do you plan to do | 15:15 |
| koolhead17 | kim0: eucalyptus support 4 ensemble | 15:16 |
| kim0 | awesome | 15:16 |
| koolhead17 | :) | 15:18 |
| koolhead17 | hey TeTeT | 15:19 |
| TeTeT | hi koolhead17 | 15:19 |
| niemeyer | koolhead17: Wow, sweet | 15:19 |
| kim0 | niemeyer: koolhead17 will probably need some assistance on pointing ensemble to use a euca cloud | 15:20 |
| koolhead17 | TeTeT: i found one more issue in cobbler and asked a question on launchpad mentioning the dirty solution for the same :D thanks 2 you | 15:20 |
| koolhead17 | hey niemeyer :) | 15:21 |
| TeTeT | koolhead17: haven't done anything but chatting, nevermind nevertheless ;) | 15:22 |
| TeTeT | koolhead17: if you get ensemble with UEC going, let me know, I'm interested in that as well | 15:22 |
| koolhead17 | TeTeT: sure. am n00b for Amazon stuff so would love to see magic via euca tools on eucalyptus | 15:23 |
| kim0 | TeTeT: don't worry, I'll keep pushing koolhead17 till he gets it running :P | 15:24 |
| TeTeT | kim0: thx ;) | 15:25 |
| niemeyer | kim0: That sounds good | 15:29 |
| niemeyer | koolhead17: Making it work well with the euca cloud may actually be your first major task :) | 15:29 |
| niemeyer | koolhead17: There are no big reasons why this shouldn't work, but it's a different software backing it, so minor incompatibilities are expected. | 15:29 |
| koolhead17 | niemeyer: am still a python n00b. | 15:29 |
| niemeyer | koolhead17: We work mostly with the "real" EC2 | 15:29 |
| niemeyer | koolhead17: Me too | 15:30 |
| kim0 | koolhead17 just mentioned he's refreshing info on eucalyptus first .. so it might be a bit too early | 15:30 |
| kim0 | me smiles | 15:30 |
| niemeyer | koolhead17: There's only one way to learn anything.. | 15:30 |
| koolhead17 | and it is? :) | 15:30 |
| niemeyer | koolhead17: Doing it | 15:30 |
| koolhead17 | niemeyer: +1 | 15:31 |
| kim0 | koolhead17: I'd want to refresh my python too .. I'd love to work with you on that | 15:31 |
| kim0 | koolhead17: I don't really think you need much brushing up on eucalytpus .. :) | 15:31 |
| kim0 | koolhead17: when you feel ready . ping me | 15:32 |
| koolhead17 | kim0: hmm | 15:33 |
| niemeyer | koolhead17: If you don't mind, please pay attention to the areas of the documentation you find lacking | 15:33 |
| koolhead17 | sure will do that niemeyer | 15:33 |
| niemeyer | koolhead17: Or confusing | 15:33 |
| kim0 | niemeyer: I suppose we'd need to edit some ensemble configs to point it to euca ? | 15:33 |
| niemeyer | koolhead17: The first read is a great moment to catch stuff that makes no sense, or is incomplete | 15:33 |
| kim0 | or is it just the ec2 env vars | 15:33 |
| niemeyer | kim0: That's right | 15:33 |
| niemeyer | ahasenack has done it before, and may even be able to provide some further guidelines | 15:34 |
| niemeyer | kim0: Yes, ec2_uri and s3_uri | 15:34 |
| kim0 | ah cool | 15:34 |
| niemeyer | IIRC, there's a bug ahasenack mentioned related to the machine size | 15:35 |
| niemeyer | Since Euca has a different concept of machine size | 15:35 |
| ahasenack | I don't think it will work because of the txaws bug | 15:35 |
| ahasenack | and you have to change a line in ensemble because it expects an amazon region, and "Eucalyptus" isn't one | 15:36 |
| niemeyer | ahasenack: Ah, that's it | 15:36 |
| niemeyer | koolhead17: It might actually be less frustrating for you to start with the "real" EC2 | 15:36 |
| niemeyer | koolhead17: Stumbling upon those bugs from very early on may be a bit boring | 15:36 |
| koolhead17 | niemeyer: i don`t have amazon account and i dont have Credit Card 4 there free account :( | 15:37 |
| ahasenack | kim0: I started with this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/610642/ | 15:37 |
| kim0 | ahasenack: thanks man! | 15:37 |
| kim0 | koolhead17: ^ | 15:37 |
| ahasenack | kim0: but there is a bug in txaws, let me get the number | 15:37 |
| ahasenack | kim0: https://bugs.launchpad.net/txaws/+bug/782375 | 15:38 |
| _mup_ | Bug #782375: URLContext() loses port and path from service endpoint <txAWS:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/782375 > | 15:38 |
| niemeyer | koolhead17: Hmm | 15:38 |
| ahasenack | kim0: and you need to hack the eucalyptus region in like this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/610643/ | 15:39 |
| niemeyer | ahasenack: Have you ever tried to use Ensemble through cloud deck? | 15:39 |
| ahasenack | niemeyer: no | 15:39 |
| niemeyer | koolhead17: I may find a way to fix that.. but keep going with Euca for the moment | 15:39 |
| ahasenack | kim0: even after I locally fixed the txaws bug, though, I got another error about wrong signature, so I stopped there. I assumed I did something wrong in my local fix | 15:39 |
| kim0 | ahasenack: wow, thanks a million! | 15:39 |
| koolhead17 | yes sure niemeyer | 15:39 |
| kim0 | koolhead17: please check the awesome info ahasenack just mentioned :) | 15:40 |
| koolhead17 | kim0: yes checkin it :) | 15:40 |
| niemeyer | http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2011/05/identity-and-access-management-console-support.html | 15:40 |
| niemeyer | Handy | 15:40 |
| niemeyer | obino: Hey! | 15:41 |
| obino | hello niemeyer! | 15:42 |
| obino | how was your trip? | 15:42 |
| niemeyer | obino: Long and boring, as long flights should be :-) | 15:44 |
| niemeyer | obino: We were just pondering about integration with Euca | 15:45 |
| niemeyer | obino: I guess we have a few extra steps still to make it work smoothly | 15:45 |
| obino | tell me more :) | 15:46 |
| niemeyer | obino: The issues are mostly on our side | 15:46 |
| niemeyer | obino: We've provided pre-defined regions and machine sizes, and we'll have to relax that a bit for Euca | 15:46 |
| obino | ok | 15:46 |
| obino | got it | 15:46 |
| obino | did you get access to the ECC? Are you testing against it? | 15:47 |
| koolhead17 | obino: hey | 15:47 |
| niemeyer | obino: koolhead17 got it, and ahasenack tried too | 15:47 |
| obino | hello koolhead17 | 15:47 |
| ahasenack | niemeyer: quick question, I have an environments.yaml with two environments, one marked as default, yet ensemble tried to bootstrap both, is that expected? Let me paste | 15:48 |
| ahasenack | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/610645/ | 15:49 |
| niemeyer | ahasenack: No, that's a bug.. | 15:49 |
| ahasenack | it went through sample, and then canonicloud | 15:49 |
| ahasenack | ok | 15:49 |
| niemeyer | ahasenack: Yeah, config looks good.. it shouldn't try to do anything on both at the same time | 15:49 |
| obino | niemeyer: koolhead17: let me know if you run into issues. I'll try to be around this channel too. | 15:50 |
| niemeyer | obino: Superb, thanks | 15:50 |
| koolhead17 | obino: awesome :) | 15:50 |
| ahasenack | niemeyer: well, not at the same time, but in the same run/bootstrap command. One, then the other | 15:50 |
| ahasenack | but ok | 15:50 |
| niemeyer | koolhead17: There you go.. now you have another reason to try fixing support for Euca ;) | 15:50 |
| ahasenack | I think you got that | 15:50 |
| obino | I will be traveling from tomorrow morning till sat night, but I will be online starting from sun (PDT) | 15:50 |
| niemeyer | ahasenack: Yeah | 15:50 |
| koolhead17 | niemeyer: i would love to :D euca ++ | 15:50 |
| niemeyer | obino: Cool, thanks for your attention | 15:51 |
| obino | np: I would love to see euca support too :) | 15:51 |
| obino | when you have something running let me know! | 15:51 |
| * ahasenack -> lunch | 15:51 | |
| niemeyer | ahasenack: Enjoy | 15:52 |
| niemeyer | obino: Will do | 15:52 |
| niemeyer | obino: We've been walking towards it | 15:52 |
| obino | niemeyer: :) | 15:53 |
| niemeyer | ahasenack: Interesting.. apparently IAM in AWS doesn't actually solve the issues Cloud Deck does | 15:55 |
| niemeyer | bcsaller: Mornign | 15:55 |
| niemeyer | bcsaller: Feeling better? | 15:55 |
| bcsaller | niemeyer: yeah, thanks | 15:56 |
| niemeyer | bcsaller: Glad to hear it | 15:56 |
| === niemeyer changed the topic of #ubuntu-ensemble to: http://j.mp/ensemble-dublin | http://ensemble.ubuntu.com/docs | ||
| niemeyer | jimbaker: The kanban is "fixed" | 16:02 |
| niemeyer | I'm building at people.canonical.com since it's taking a while for IS to fix the scheduling of it | 16:02 |
| kim0 | obino: I just registered an account with username kim0 .. Would be great if you can approve it before flying .. thanks :) | 16:15 |
| koolhead17 | kim0: :P | 16:16 |
| kim0 | hehe :) | 16:16 |
| * niemeyer => lunch | 16:21 | |
| _mup_ | ensemble/expose-provision-service-hierarchy r232 committed by jim.baker@canonical.com | 17:00 |
| _mup_ | Observer callbacks for watching service units in tests | 17:00 |
| obino | kim0: did you apply for the ECC? I saw your account on the forum (web site) but not the ECC | 17:07 |
| kim0 | obino: hmm no I didn't, where do I apply | 17:08 |
| kim0 | obino: It does say, simply click on the "Apply" for account link .. but I couldn't find that | 17:08 |
| kim0 | all I got was a login box | 17:09 |
| jimbaker | i need to take my puppy to the vet to take care of an eye infection in a few minutes | 17:22 |
| obino | kim0: can you try again? Go to ecc.eucalyptus.com | 17:27 |
| obino | there should be an apply link | 17:28 |
| obino | andrew will approve your account as soon as you apply :) | 17:31 |
| koolhead17 | kim0: heh | 17:34 |
| * koolhead17 wants to know if anyone from Berlin here? | 17:34 | |
| koolhead17 | kim0: cool. i can see the blog ^^ | 17:38 |
| * niemeyer waves | 17:41 | |
| koolhead17 | niemeyer: done with luch? | 17:43 |
| koolhead17 | *lunch | 17:43 |
| * koolhead17 rushes 4 dinner :P | 17:43 | |
| niemeyer | koolhead17: Yeah, good stuff ;) | 17:43 |
| niemeyer | koolhead17: Enjoy | 17:43 |
| kim0 | obino: thanks .. just did it | 17:52 |
| obino | kim0: you should be approved. Check the spam folder for the approval email | 17:56 |
| obino | sadly that's where it ends up most of the time :( | 17:56 |
| === deryck is now known as deryck[lunch] | ||
| niemeyer | jimbaker: The documentation for expose/unexpose doesn't seem to be formatted properly in terms of headers | 18:13 |
| niemeyer | jimbaker: It's showing twice under Drafts | 18:13 |
| SpamapS | Hi everybody. :) Whats the status of the LXC machine provider? | 18:14 |
| SpamapS | btw, formula upgrades are *awesome* :) | 18:18 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: Yo | 18:30 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: Sweet! | 18:30 |
| niemeyer | jimbaker: This is ready: https://code.launchpad.net/~jimbaker/ensemble/expose-open-ports-node/+merge/61646 | 18:30 |
| niemeyer | jimbaker: For being worked on | 18:30 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: Have you been playing with it? | 18:30 |
| SpamapS | niemeyer: when applicable, I use upgrades to iterate on hook dev. | 18:31 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: Nice | 18:32 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: LXC has been evolving in our minds and in conversations with the LXC team | 18:32 |
| SpamapS | which is also good for testing the idempotency of my hook scripts | 18:32 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: It's likely going to be the key feature for the milestone after the current one | 18:32 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: Indeed | 18:33 |
| SpamapS | niemeyer: seems to me there is a bit of a challenge in providing a single s3-like place for the machine map | 18:33 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: Yeah, but we should be able to workaround it somehow | 18:33 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: We actually just need a place we can address for discovering the seeds | 18:33 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: We might even use a local map | 18:33 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: The real information is actually within the environment itself | 18:34 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: Hmmm.. we actually store the formulas themselves there as well ATM | 18:37 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: This is something I'd eventually like to kill | 18:37 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: and have everything with the env itself | 18:38 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: So it doesn't matter if we're using EC2, Rackspace, LXC, or whatever, the environment is even | 18:38 |
| SpamapS | I don't really know what you mean when you say "the environment" in this context. | 18:38 |
| SpamapS | niemeyer: also my mind keeps coming back to storage management.. that we're glossing over it a bit too much and should start to think about how to handle complex storage requirements... | 18:42 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: "the environment" == "the machines which are part of a machine provider and assigned to be managed by Ensemble" | 18:43 |
| SpamapS | Like, there are some really good chef cookbooks for EBS+RAID .. you just throw in a call to them in your current recipe and viola.. /srv is on a RAID5 w/ 10 EBS volumes. | 18:44 |
| SpamapS | In order to duplicate that.. we have to monkey it into the install hook and we don't want to be making any cloud-specific calls in hooks. | 18:45 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: Yeah, we'll certainly want to support more fine grained storage requirements | 18:45 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: Indeed.. this is really a task for Ensemble itself.. it should work irrespective of the formula | 18:45 |
| SpamapS | I was just thinking that environments should be able to define storage pools. Libvirt has a lot of capability in this regard that can be studied for ideas. | 18:45 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: Agreed. We discussed these ideas in the very first planning sprint of Ensemble.. we'll eventually get there | 18:45 |
| === deryck[lunch] is now known as deryck | ||
| niemeyer | SpamapS: The next sprint will likely be more focused on the tasks for the current milestone, which is most importantly stabilizing what we've got for usage | 19:02 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: After that, we should probably have another technical sprint to debate such idas | 19:02 |
| niemeyer | ideas | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | Yeah thats bolt-on refinement, we're still missing settings and containers.. two things I'm quite eager to play with. | 19:02 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: Settings are mostly there | 19:04 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: bcsaller should have them in review any minute now! | 19:04 |
| * niemeyer looks at bcsaller | 19:04 | |
| SpamapS | sweeeet | 19:04 |
| jimbaker | back from the vet | 19:05 |
| SpamapS | niemeyer: another thing that I'm still not sure about. If my system detects a change that ensemble needs to know about.. is there a way to do that? | 19:16 |
| SpamapS | niemeyer: for instance, if my IP changes. | 19:16 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: In an intereview, but will be you with you in a sec | 19:24 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: So yeah, we need a way to call the ensemble tools out of band | 19:37 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: out-of-band as in, not within a hook | 19:37 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: There's actually no intrinsic reason why this shouldn't work.. we just need to tweak them so they work | 19:37 |
| SpamapS | niemeyer: basically just need to have the socket env right? | 19:43 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: Yeah | 19:44 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: and some internals sorted out | 19:44 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: We currently have a "cache" for changes | 19:44 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: So that everything is committed at the end | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | niemeyer: I'm struggling to find real world use cases though.. I think in most cases the only thing I'd want to be able to do would be to remove myself from the service temporarily. | 19:44 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: This won't make sense for those out-of-band requests | 19:44 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: Yeah, the use cases will likely be related to external events | 19:45 |
| SpamapS | niemeyer: most services will handle this on their own, they won't need reconfiguration tho.. so.. yeah, I don't think its all that necessary right now. | 19:45 |
| niemeyer | kim0: Thanks for the post! | 19:47 |
| niemeyer | kim0: As a minor, can you please tweak the doc link to point to the new location? | 19:47 |
| niemeyer | kim0: Having LXC for the 11.10 cycle is a bit optimistic as well, btw :) | 19:48 |
| * SpamapS will do anything he can do help w/ LXC ASAP :) | 19:50 | |
| SpamapS | As fast as t1.micro's spawn ... LXC containers would spawn faster. :) | 19:51 |
| niemeyer | SpamapS: True. It'd certainly be cool to have it sooner. | 19:56 |
| niemeyer | bcsaller: Are you off today as well? | 20:46 |
| bcsaller | niemeyer: no, working | 20:46 |
| bcsaller | things are a little slow as I'm still on my old laptop | 20:46 |
| niemeyer | bcsaller: Cool | 20:47 |
| niemeyer | bcsaller: Do you have any comments on kapil's input about config-set? | 20:47 |
| bcsaller | niemeyer: did you ever get a chance to look at the branch in review or are you waiting for the last one | 20:47 |
| bcsaller | niemeyer: I made those changes, yes | 20:48 |
| bcsaller | but I think only in the latest branch | 20:48 |
| niemeyer | bcsaller: Can you please update the merge proposal with your feeling about what he said and whether you have pushed new changes or not? | 20:48 |
| bcsaller | ahh, ok | 20:48 |
| niemeyer | Otherwise it feels like a monologue | 20:49 |
| niemeyer | bcsaller: Thanks | 20:49 |
| niemeyer | Everything moved to the dublin milestone | 21:12 |
| niemeyer | Fading a bit here.. will step out for a while | 21:21 |
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