| micahg | chrisccoulson: I think the miramar beta is scheduled for next week | 00:44 |
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| micahg | chrisccoulson: actual staging will continue to be in the mozilla security PPA, we can pre-test in firefox-next though :) | 00:45 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg, miramar is old news now, i'm building comm-central ;) | 00:49 |
| chrisccoulson | i like living life on the edge | 00:49 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: well, miramar could go in oneiric optionally, we can skip it if you like, but it could be a test for the new process as well | 00:50 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg, i'd prefer to put it in oneiric as soon as it has a beta release | 00:51 |
| micahg | we'll be skipping it for the stable releases | 00:51 |
| chrisccoulson | some of the work mike is doing depends on it | 00:51 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: that sounds fine, I think I might save my natty client upgrade for the first beta of TB 6 or whatever it's called | 00:52 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg, we should start coordinating transitioning natty for firefox 5 this week, based on the assumption that 5 is going to be the next security release for 4.0.1 users | 00:53 |
| chrisccoulson | only a little over a month left ;) | 00:53 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: are you driving or am I? | 00:55 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg, i don't mind really. i'll talk to pitti tomorrow | 00:55 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: I guess I'll start a wiki transition page with the bits necessary | 00:56 |
| chrisccoulson | basically, i think we should use the firefox-next PPA to stage everything for firefox ASAP (so we get test coverage from people wanting to try out the beta) | 00:56 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: yes, for the langpacks+firefox that's fine | 00:57 |
| chrisccoulson | and we need to stage the new language packs in there anyway | 00:57 |
| chrisccoulson | (unless i change the packaging specifically for firefox-next to disable the firefox-locale-* packages, which i'd rather not do) | 00:57 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: no, I think they should go there, it makes sense, you can stage the language-selector as well if appropriate, I'm concerned about the xul rdeps, but those will get staged in the security PPA if I get time | 00:59 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that sounds fine | 01:00 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm concerned about those too ;) | 01:00 |
| chrisccoulson | i think we're going to have a hard time trying to support those on lucid | 01:00 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: but please use the pre-release versioning, I'll upload the real betas about 2 weeks out if all looks clear or 1 week out to the security PPA if things are changing fast | 01:00 |
| chrisccoulson | i will be glad once we've got rid of xulrunner from the archive :) | 01:01 |
| micahg | s/real betas/ubuntu release versions/ | 01:01 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: I'm going to see what can be done for the non-mozjs stuff in natty if anything to make them not vulnerable | 01:02 |
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| fta | chrisccoulson, hi, any idea what's going on with evo? a cabal ? | 12:32 |
| chrisccoulson | fta - i'm not sure. it's built, but it doesn't appear to be published yet | 12:32 |
| chrisccoulson | fta - oh, it's published now | 12:37 |
| chrisccoulson | i can install it | 12:37 |
| fta | yep, not me, i need to patch it :( | 12:38 |
| fta | ...for the same reason i can't use tb | 12:40 |
| fta | oh my.. /usr/share/hardening-includes/hardening.make | 12:51 |
| fta | chrisccoulson, could you please host the gwibber dailies too? | 13:00 |
| fta | chrisccoulson, i thought it was dead, but there are still ~100k users | 13:00 |
| chrisccoulson | fta - oh, i didn't realize you were maintaining gwibber dailies too | 14:30 |
| fta | chrisccoulson, i am. well, the bot is | 14:30 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg, i cleaned up the u-m-d PPA quite a bit. do you think there's must point in running the xulrunner dailies any more? they don't really get many changes any more, and i don't think they're a good use of PPA build time now | 14:31 |
| fta | chrisccoulson, same for nmt (network-manager-trunk). it's currently disabled but only temporarily | 14:31 |
| chrisccoulson | fta, cyphermox might be interested in that one | 14:31 |
| fta | he's the maintainer, i was just running the bot | 14:32 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg, same goes for the firefox release branches (particularly from 5.0 onwards, where there won't be any commits to release branches) | 14:32 |
| chrisccoulson | fta - he might be interested to take over the bot too, if you don't want to run it | 14:33 |
| cyphermox | chrisccoulson: fta: yeah, disabled for now, but as I need to switch everything to 0.9, maybe there's not so much a point in keeping it all anymore | 14:53 |
| chrisccoulson | hah, time to see my popularity decrease | 15:55 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: yes, there's a point for xulrunner based apps that want to run on Ubuntu, I'd consider it low priority | 15:58 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: the only firefox ones I'd leave in there ATM are trunk and 3.6 until 3.6 EOL, then trunk until maybe we get a little help (then maybe aurora) | 15:59 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg, yeah, that makes sense | 16:00 |
| chrisccoulson | although, the xulrunner builds don't make a great deal of sense now as they are daily builds of branches that are in the archive, and they aren't going to see any API changes now | 16:01 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg, did you see my e-mail to ubuntu-devel ;) | 16:01 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: not yet | 16:01 |
| chrisccoulson | bhearsum, there? | 16:03 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, my comm-central build failed on oneiric :( | 16:04 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: my inbox broke :(, will hopefully get it in a bit | 16:05 |
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| fta | jcastro, fyi: http://blog.chromium.org/2011/05/chromevox-built-in-spoken-feedback-for.html | 21:57 |
| jcastro | hah, cute | 21:57 |
| fta | jcastro, chromium for windows now supports a bunch of screen readers. for linux, nada. the devs told me no-one knows enough about the ATK api | 21:58 |
| fta | so help is needed | 21:58 |
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| fta | chrisccoulson, no more global menu in evo? | 22:19 |
| chrisccoulson | fta - there's no appmenu-gtk3 yet | 22:19 |
| fta | oh | 22:19 |
| fta | chrisccoulson, seems we're going backward | 22:20 |
| BUGabundo | ahahaahahah | 22:20 |
| BUGabundo | I don't even have gtk themes | 22:21 |
| chrisccoulson | fta - well, we're going through a big transition where lots of things will be broken until things settle down a bit | 22:21 |
| chrisccoulson | BUGabundo, that's because there isn't one yet | 22:21 |
| chrisccoulson | well | 22:21 |
| chrisccoulson | you could download one off gnome-look.org i guess ;) | 22:21 |
| BUGabundo | chrisccoulson: then don't merge till there are the dependcies :P | 22:21 |
| BUGabundo | everyone at +1 is being tagged by it | 22:22 |
| BUGabundo | plus gconf broke yesterday | 22:22 |
| BUGabundo | seems better today | 22:22 |
| fta | chrisccoulson, i thought the gnome3 ppa in natty was where all that was supposed to happen | 22:22 |
| chrisccoulson | BUGabundo, if we waited for DX to write a theme engine and port the ambiance theme to it, then we'd block the whole gnome 3 transition until mid-cycle. we need to do it now | 22:22 |
| chrisccoulson | what broke in gconf? | 22:23 |
| BUGabundo | no idea | 22:23 |
| chrisccoulson | then how do you know it's broken? | 22:23 |
| fta | yesterday, two schemas were empty, breaking the gconf update | 22:23 |
| fta | but it's gone now | 22:24 |
| BUGabundo | chrisccoulson: it wouldn't configure at upgrade | 22:24 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that's fixed now, although it wasn't really a gconf issue | 22:24 |
| chrisccoulson | that was a build issue with tomboy i think | 22:24 |
| BUGabundo | need to reboot and re-test | 22:25 |
| BUGabundo | but no gtk is PITA | 22:25 |
| fta | ? | 22:25 |
| fta | there's still the default theme, it's usable | 22:25 |
| BUGabundo | I don't even have a desktop :( | 22:30 |
| BUGabundo | fta: (2011-05-20 22:33:58) bjsnider: BUGabundo, i was trying to test the new hidden navbar idea in chromium, but it's not yet available for linux | 22:34 |
| fta | BUGabundo, "new hidden navbar idea" ?? | 22:47 |
| BUGabundo | yeah | 22:47 |
| BUGabundo | the new minimalistic UI | 22:48 |
| fta | still no idea what that is | 22:48 |
| BUGabundo | sec | 22:49 |
| BUGabundo | fta: http://www.conceivablytech.com/7485/products/google-is-serious-you-can-kill-chromes-url-bar | 22:51 |
| Omega | https://mozillalabs.com/prospector/2011/05/20/lesschrome-hd-more-space-to-browse/ | 22:57 |
| Omega | I'm using that, I think it's coo; | 22:57 |
| Omega | l. | 22:58 |
| Omega | It works on linux. | 22:58 |
| kbrosnan | kinda easy to break Firefox using it atm | 22:58 |
| Omega | Hmm? | 22:58 |
| kbrosnan | use tabs on bottom or use the classic menubar (if ubunutu allows) | 22:59 |
| Omega | Yep, tabs on bottom does break it. | 23:00 |
| chrisccoulson | in unity, you don't have the option of not using the classic menubar (although it's drawn on the panel) | 23:14 |
| chrisccoulson | oh, why does ff5.0 beta end up being released just before i finish work for the week :) | 23:15 |
| chrisccoulson | i wonder if i've still got time to upload it before i fall asleep | 23:15 |
| Omega | you can do it chris! | 23:20 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm doing it | 23:23 |
| chrisccoulson | although, there's not much point in uploading it now, as it's going to sit in binary NEW all weekend | 23:27 |
| chrisccoulson | which means nobody will be downloading it until monday anyway | 23:27 |
| Omega | ): | 23:27 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: you could push to the firefox-next PPA now/over the weekend | 23:27 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg, i'll do that over the weekend | 23:28 |
| chrisccoulson | i'd rather get it in the archive first, as it means i don't have to upload the tarball twice :) | 23:28 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: heh, good point :), binary NEW is fine in that case though | 23:28 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, it's going to sit there because of all the new language packs | 23:29 |
| micahg | right, but once you upload, the tarball will be in the archive and then you can push with -sd to the PPA :) | 23:29 |
| Omega | micahg: How are we going to be doing translations this cycle? (what did you guys decide at uds) | 23:33 |
| micahg | Omega: in terms of where they're built or contributed? | 23:34 |
| Omega | Well, both. | 23:34 |
| micahg | Omega: they'll be built from the firefox/thunderbird sources, contributed to upstream ATM | 23:34 |
| chrisccoulson | Omega, we are merging a snapshot of the l10n repos in to our source tarball | 23:34 |
| chrisccoulson | then building the xpi's from the single source and shipping them in separate firefox-locale-xx language packs, with the localized search plugins | 23:35 |
| chrisccoulson | so, they're are going to be split from the main distribution language packs now | 23:35 |
| chrisccoulson | because they are a bottleneck in deploying updates :) | 23:35 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: on second thought, can we have the -locales packages for firefox/thunderbird? It allows for updating for bugs w/out affecting translations | 23:36 |
| Omega | On the mailing list you said "I think I've figured out how to merge all of the translations in to a single Firefox source tree" did it work? | 23:36 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: unless we need something in the main tarball to build the langpacks | 23:37 |
| chrisccoulson | Omega, yeah. that's what i'm uploading now (and it's why it will get blocked in the new queue over the weekend) | 23:37 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg, i'm not sure i understand what you mean? | 23:37 |
| micahg | it's easier for SRUs/security if they're in separate sources, that way if there's a regression in one, the other doesn't need to be tested | 23:38 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg, i can't do that, unless we just ship the xpi's from ftp.mozilla.org | 23:38 |
| chrisccoulson | which means we don't get localized searchplugins etc | 23:38 |
| chrisccoulson | i'd rather just do everything from a single source, as it will make future updates so much easier | 23:39 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: that's what I was wondering, is there something in the main mozilla repo that we need for l10n | 23:39 |
| chrisccoulson | and it's how every other package in the archive works too ;) | 23:39 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg - yeah, we need the entire build system ;) | 23:39 |
| chrisccoulson | and all the en-US translations | 23:40 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: we don't do security updates so frequently for every package in the archive :) | 23:40 |
| chrisccoulson | having separate sources is a pain. i'd like to be able to have everything we need to deploy an update in the same tarball | 23:40 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: well, it seems that's the only choice then | 23:41 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, it is if we are building the xpi's ourselves | 23:42 |
| chrisccoulson | which we need to do if we want the option of integrating translations in to launchpad in the future anyway | 23:43 |
| chrisccoulson | b'ah, kinetic scrolling is really annoying me now | 23:45 |
| chrisccoulson | w00t - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/oneiric-changes/2011-May/001453.html | 23:47 |
| micahg | \o/ | 23:48 |
| chrisccoulson | when we get aurora builds going in a PPA, it would be really cool if we could get the new channel switcher to switch between channels by selecting the correct PPA ;) | 23:53 |
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