[00:44] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I think the miramar beta is scheduled for next week
[00:45] <micahg> chrisccoulson: actual staging will continue to be in the mozilla security PPA, we can pre-test in firefox-next though :)
[00:49] <chrisccoulson> micahg, miramar is old news now, i'm building comm-central ;)
[00:49] <chrisccoulson> i like living life on the edge
[00:50] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, miramar could go in oneiric optionally, we can skip it if you like, but it could be a test for the new process as well
[00:51] <chrisccoulson> micahg, i'd prefer to put it in oneiric as soon as it has a beta release
[00:51] <micahg> we'll be skipping it for the stable releases
[00:51] <chrisccoulson> some of the work mike is doing depends on it
[00:52] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that sounds fine, I think I might save my natty client upgrade for the first beta of TB 6 or whatever it's called
[00:53] <chrisccoulson> micahg, we should start coordinating transitioning natty for firefox 5 this week, based on the assumption that 5 is going to be the next security release for 4.0.1 users
[00:53] <chrisccoulson> only a little over a month left ;)
[00:55] <micahg> chrisccoulson: are you driving or am I?
[00:55] <chrisccoulson> micahg, i don't mind really. i'll talk to pitti tomorrow
[00:56] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I guess I'll start a wiki transition page with the bits necessary
[00:56] <chrisccoulson> basically, i think we should use the firefox-next PPA to stage everything for firefox ASAP (so we get test coverage from people wanting to try out the beta)
[00:57] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes, for the langpacks+firefox that's fine
[00:57] <chrisccoulson> and we need to stage the new language packs in there anyway
[00:57] <chrisccoulson> (unless i change the packaging specifically for firefox-next to disable the firefox-locale-* packages, which i'd rather not do)
[00:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: no, I think they should go there, it makes sense, you can stage the language-selector as well if appropriate, I'm concerned about the xul rdeps, but those will get staged in the security PPA if I get time
[01:00] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that sounds fine
[01:00] <chrisccoulson> i'm concerned about those too ;)
[01:00] <chrisccoulson> i think we're going to have a hard time trying to support those on lucid
[01:00] <micahg> chrisccoulson: but please use the pre-release versioning, I'll upload the real betas about 2 weeks out if all looks clear or 1 week out to the security PPA if things are changing fast
[01:01] <chrisccoulson> i will be glad once we've got rid of xulrunner from the archive :)
[01:01] <micahg> s/real betas/ubuntu release versions/
[01:02] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'm going to see what can be done for the non-mozjs stuff in natty if anything to make them not vulnerable
[12:32] <fta> chrisccoulson, hi, any idea what's going on with evo? a cabal ?
[12:32] <chrisccoulson> fta - i'm not sure. it's built, but it doesn't appear to be published yet
[12:37] <chrisccoulson> fta - oh, it's published now
[12:37] <chrisccoulson> i can install it
[12:38] <fta> yep, not me, i need to patch it :(
[12:40] <fta> ...for the same reason i can't use tb
[12:51] <fta> oh my.. /usr/share/hardening-includes/hardening.make
[13:00] <fta> chrisccoulson, could you please host the gwibber dailies too?
[13:00] <fta> chrisccoulson, i thought it was dead, but there are still ~100k users
[14:30] <chrisccoulson> fta - oh, i didn't realize you were maintaining gwibber dailies too
[14:30] <fta> chrisccoulson, i am. well, the bot is
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> micahg, i cleaned up the u-m-d PPA quite a bit. do you think there's must point in running the xulrunner dailies any more? they don't really get many changes any more, and i don't think they're a good use of PPA build time now
[14:31] <fta> chrisccoulson, same for nmt (network-manager-trunk). it's currently disabled but only temporarily
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> fta, cyphermox might be interested in that one
[14:32] <fta> he's the maintainer, i was just running the bot
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> micahg, same goes for the firefox release branches (particularly from 5.0 onwards, where there won't be any commits to release branches)
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> fta - he might be interested to take over the bot too, if you don't want to run it
[14:53] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson: fta: yeah, disabled for now, but as I need to switch everything to 0.9, maybe there's not so much a point in keeping it all anymore
[15:55] <chrisccoulson> hah, time to see my popularity decrease
[15:58] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes, there's a point for xulrunner based apps that want to run on Ubuntu, I'd consider it low priority
[15:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: the only firefox ones I'd leave in there ATM are trunk and 3.6 until 3.6 EOL, then trunk until maybe we get a little help (then maybe aurora)
[16:00] <chrisccoulson> micahg, yeah, that makes sense
[16:01] <chrisccoulson> although, the xulrunner builds don't make a great deal of sense now as they are daily builds of branches that are in the archive, and they aren't going to see any API changes now
[16:01] <chrisccoulson> micahg, did you see my e-mail to ubuntu-devel ;)
[16:01] <micahg> chrisccoulson: not yet
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, there?
[16:04] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, my comm-central build failed on oneiric :(
[16:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: my inbox broke :(, will hopefully get it in a bit
[21:57] <fta> jcastro, fyi: http://blog.chromium.org/2011/05/chromevox-built-in-spoken-feedback-for.html
[21:57] <jcastro> hah, cute
[21:58] <fta> jcastro, chromium for windows now supports a bunch of screen readers. for linux, nada. the devs told me no-one knows enough about the ATK api
[21:58] <fta> so help is needed
[22:19] <fta> chrisccoulson, no more global menu in evo?
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> fta - there's no appmenu-gtk3 yet
[22:19] <fta> oh
[22:20] <fta> chrisccoulson, seems we're going backward
[22:20] <BUGabundo> ahahaahahah
[22:21] <BUGabundo> I don't even have gtk themes
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> fta - well, we're going through a big transition where lots of things will be broken until things settle down a bit
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo, that's because there isn't one yet
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> well
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> you could download one off gnome-look.org i guess ;)
[22:21] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: then don't merge till there are the dependcies :P
[22:22] <BUGabundo> everyone at +1 is being tagged by it
[22:22] <BUGabundo> plus gconf broke yesterday
[22:22] <BUGabundo> seems better today
[22:22] <fta> chrisccoulson, i thought the gnome3 ppa in natty was where all that was supposed to happen
[22:22] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo, if we waited for DX to write a theme engine and port the ambiance theme to it, then we'd block the whole gnome 3 transition until mid-cycle. we need to do it now
[22:23] <chrisccoulson> what broke in gconf?
[22:23] <BUGabundo> no idea
[22:23] <chrisccoulson> then how do you know it's broken?
[22:23] <fta> yesterday, two schemas were empty, breaking the gconf update
[22:24] <fta> but it's gone now
[22:24] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: it wouldn't configure at upgrade
[22:24] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's fixed now, although it wasn't really a gconf issue
[22:24] <chrisccoulson> that was a build issue with tomboy i think
[22:25] <BUGabundo> need to reboot and re-test
[22:25] <BUGabundo> but no gtk is PITA
[22:25] <fta> ?
[22:25] <fta> there's still the default theme, it's usable
[22:30] <BUGabundo> I don't even have a desktop :(
[22:34] <BUGabundo> fta: (2011-05-20 22:33:58) bjsnider: BUGabundo, i was trying to test the new hidden navbar idea in chromium, but it's not yet available for linux
[22:47] <fta> BUGabundo, "new hidden navbar idea" ??
[22:47] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:48] <BUGabundo> the new minimalistic UI
[22:48] <fta> still no idea what that is
[22:49] <BUGabundo> sec
[22:51] <BUGabundo> fta: http://www.conceivablytech.com/7485/products/google-is-serious-you-can-kill-chromes-url-bar
[22:57] <Omega> https://mozillalabs.com/prospector/2011/05/20/lesschrome-hd-more-space-to-browse/
[22:57] <Omega> I'm using that, I think it's coo;
[22:58] <Omega> l.
[22:58] <Omega> It works on linux.
[22:58] <kbrosnan> kinda easy to break Firefox using it atm
[22:58] <Omega> Hmm?
[22:59] <kbrosnan> use tabs on bottom or use the classic menubar (if ubunutu allows)
[23:00] <Omega> Yep, tabs on bottom does break it.
[23:14] <chrisccoulson> in unity, you don't have the option of not using the classic menubar (although it's drawn on the panel)
[23:15] <chrisccoulson> oh, why does ff5.0 beta end up being released just before i finish work for the week :)
[23:15] <chrisccoulson> i wonder if i've still got time to upload it before i fall asleep
[23:20] <Omega> you can do it chris!
[23:23] <chrisccoulson> i'm doing it
[23:27] <chrisccoulson> although, there's not much point in uploading it now, as it's going to sit in binary NEW all weekend
[23:27] <chrisccoulson> which means nobody will be downloading it until monday anyway
[23:27] <Omega> ):
[23:27] <micahg> chrisccoulson: you could push to the firefox-next PPA now/over the weekend
[23:28] <chrisccoulson> micahg, i'll do that over the weekend
[23:28] <chrisccoulson> i'd rather get it in the archive first, as it means i don't have to upload the tarball twice :)
[23:28] <micahg> chrisccoulson: heh, good point :), binary NEW is fine in that case though
[23:29] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it's going to sit there because of all the new language packs
[23:29] <micahg> right, but once you upload, the tarball will be in the archive and then you can push with -sd to the PPA :)
[23:33] <Omega> micahg: How are we going to be doing translations this cycle? (what did you guys decide at uds)
[23:34] <micahg> Omega: in terms of where they're built or contributed?
[23:34] <Omega> Well, both.
[23:34] <micahg> Omega: they'll be built from the firefox/thunderbird sources, contributed to upstream ATM
[23:34] <chrisccoulson> Omega, we are merging a snapshot of the l10n repos in to our source tarball
[23:35] <chrisccoulson> then building the xpi's from the single source and shipping them in separate firefox-locale-xx language packs, with the localized search plugins
[23:35] <chrisccoulson> so, they're are going to be split from the main distribution language packs now
[23:35] <chrisccoulson> because they are a bottleneck in deploying updates :)
[23:36] <micahg> chrisccoulson: on second thought, can we have the -locales packages for firefox/thunderbird?  It allows for updating for bugs w/out affecting translations
[23:36] <Omega> On the mailing list you said "I think I've figured out how to merge all of the translations in to a single Firefox source tree" did it work?
[23:37] <micahg> chrisccoulson: unless we need something in the main tarball to build the langpacks
[23:37] <chrisccoulson> Omega, yeah. that's what i'm uploading now (and it's why it will get blocked in the new queue over the weekend)
[23:37] <chrisccoulson> micahg, i'm not sure i understand what you mean?
[23:38] <micahg> it's easier for SRUs/security if they're in separate sources, that way if there's a regression in one, the other doesn't need to be tested
[23:38] <chrisccoulson> micahg, i can't do that, unless we just ship the xpi's from ftp.mozilla.org
[23:38] <chrisccoulson> which means we don't get localized searchplugins etc
[23:39] <chrisccoulson> i'd rather just do everything from a single source, as it will make future updates so much easier
[23:39] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that's what I was wondering, is there something in the main mozilla repo that we need for l10n
[23:39] <chrisccoulson> and it's how every other package in the archive works too ;)
[23:39] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, we need the entire build system ;)
[23:40] <chrisccoulson> and all the en-US translations
[23:40] <micahg> chrisccoulson: we don't do security updates so frequently for every package in the archive :)
[23:40] <chrisccoulson> having separate sources is a pain. i'd like to be able to have everything we need to deploy an update in the same tarball
[23:41] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, it seems that's the only choice then
[23:42] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it is if we are building the xpi's ourselves
[23:43] <chrisccoulson> which we need to do if we want the option of integrating translations in to launchpad in the future anyway
[23:45] <chrisccoulson> b'ah, kinetic scrolling is really annoying me now
[23:47] <chrisccoulson> w00t - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/oneiric-changes/2011-May/001453.html
[23:48] <micahg> \o/
[23:53] <chrisccoulson> when we get aurora builds going in a PPA, it would be really cool if we could get the new channel switcher to switch between channels by selecting the correct PPA ;)