[00:21] does anyone know any good guides for making decent Conky configurations? [00:22] all the ones I find seem to be guides to getting it running, but not for configuring it [00:23] * popey points reaper4334 at Azelphur [00:23] haha [00:23] reaper4334: what you after? [00:23] reaper4334: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/Janurary%202011/2011-01-13-041505_3840x1200_scrot.png my conky config :P [00:24] wow! [00:24] Azelphur: got a copy of that somewhere? [00:24] just looking for a way to get a decent setup, like multiple conky windows and showing images and such [00:24] popey: I can upload it, sure [00:24] please [00:24] reaper4334: multiple conky windows you just run conky twice with different config files [00:25] ah I see, so I can just set up a bash script to run it for each config? [00:26] reaper4334: yea [00:27] well that's one down :D [00:27] popey: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/May%202011/conky.zip [00:28] popey: all the resource files and scripts are in there [00:28] how long did it take you to set that up? [00:28] nice one [00:28] couple days [00:28] it's pretty awesome [00:28] ty :D [00:28] I actually started with the one that ships with the overglossed theme [00:29] and just kinda kept adding to it [00:29] http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Conky+%5BTheRob%5D?content=74972 [00:30] nice one, I managed to get it to run with some of my little scripts, but can't figure out how to display images [00:30] * popey edits the script to replace Azelphur's home directory references... [00:30] hehe [00:31] reaper4334: look at http://conky.sourceforge.net/variables.html [00:31] the image variable does that [00:32] xbmc4xbox made it to the slashdot homepage. heh. just wait for the community site to go offline now :) [00:39] Azelphur: Solved it, thanks a lot :D [00:42] well, bedtime for me. Thanks again guys :D. Night [01:23] omg [01:23] had a website loaded in my browser for days, and it had a window embedded that kept playing different video [01:24] used about 10Gb of my download limit [01:24] :/ [01:31] I knew there was a reason this addiction to having 50 tabs open was unhealthy. you found it! :) [03:33] * ball gives up and goes to bed. [06:13] Morning everyone === ChrisB is now known as Guest72813 [08:07] Morning all [08:15] Good morning, happy Friday [08:28] Good Friday to you too :) [08:29] popey: You'll love this (being a train person): http://kubus.mailspool.nl/spoorkaart/ [08:29] popey: Live Dutch train positions :) [08:34] Morning [08:35] MartijnVdS: Am currently on a train :p [08:35] PalaPad: Trains are cool :) [08:35] This one is a tad busy commuter train to London [08:36] Take turns breathing" [08:36] -busy? [08:36] But I will give credit to virgin for their cell boosters, just did a live BBC radio interview without cutting out lol [08:37] PalaPad: Is cell coverage really that bad on that side of the water? :) [08:37] Busy yeah, glad I pre booked or I might have been standing in aisle for 2.5 hour journey [08:37] In some places yeah [08:38] We get 2 good ones (KPN, Vodafone) and 1 really bad one (T-Mobile) here in .nl [08:38] Specially on a fast train hoping cell tower frequently [08:38] guess which one is used by the in-train wifi APs [08:47] Back, sorry lost signal [08:47] I use 3G on train cos the wifi is very slow and very expensive [08:48] .. and basically just a 3G hotspot anyway [08:49] I use bouncer for irc otherwise I would be spamming channel with disconnects lol [08:49] And yes awilkins [08:49] But with all of first class getting free wifi it gets very slow once they all connect to the AP [08:50] So I get much better results using cell instead of wifi [08:51] Well, first class are getting very very expensive wifi, tea, biscuits, and comfy chairs [08:51] Actually it is pretty cheap if booked a month in advance [08:52] Is this on a UK rail network???? [08:52] I can to London from the north of England for 30 quid 1st class with advance booking 4-6 weeks [08:52] I looked at 1st class season tickets, they were double the cost [08:52] Is that an off-peak fare? [08:52] I booked this journey last night standard class and it was more than that [08:52] Yes [08:52] Aha [08:52] Peak fares are rather more [08:53] Peak return from Manchester - London is about £180 in cattle class [08:53] 120 from Lancaster where I am [08:53] It's just a joke though, isn't it [08:53] You could hire a care and drive it for less than that [08:53] Including fuel [08:54] I used to drive down, park in the suburban edges of the tube network, and tube the rest of the way in [08:54] The Northholt Swimerama used to have an excellent free car park open until 1900 - park there, 2 minute walk to tube, bob is your uncle. [08:55] Back got disconnected again sorry [08:56] Yes it is incredibly expensive [08:56] Which is why I can't accept a full time role in London because the cost of travel would be so high [08:57] I was gonna apply for a research director post at Big Brother Watch but they want someone office based in London full time, so I can't do it [08:58] I wouldn't mind living in a city again, I suppose, but London is a bit expensive [08:58] I quite liked being a student in Manchester [08:58] I don't traveling down once a week and staying a couple of days with a friend, but am not commuting every day [08:58] Walked everywhere (I'd probably get a bike, these days, less time to waste) [08:58] This is my second trip to London this week [08:59] 11 hour day for a 2 hour meeting :/ [08:59] Heh, been there [09:00] I just wish online meeting tools were better [09:00] Tuesday was a 10 hour day for a 10 minute tv interview which was worse [09:00] At least I actually have 2 hours work on this trip [09:01] Plus it will be an interesting meeting [09:01] Nominet issue group on domain name suspensions [09:08] hello all [09:08] Hey [09:16] last night my laptop was tracked in "castle donnington, UK" now its in china. what kind of witchcraft is this.... [09:19] ooh, autossh works really nicely when I resume my laptop [09:19] GNU screen for the win etc. [09:22] oh geez, there are 379 untriaged unity bugs [09:22] i wanted to code this morning :( [09:26] Mornin [09:30] mornin [09:31] morning [09:32] Dwatkins, yeah I use screen too but the ssh client on my iPad doesn't play nice when I lose cell signal [09:33] ahoy hoy saveloys! Only 8 hours of this working week left :) [09:34] danfish: awesome :D [09:34] 6.30pm finish? [09:34] Your working week finishes? [09:34] I've secured a 30min early sneak out time of 5.30pm so I can go for a meal [09:34] I need a job like that lol [09:35] * PalaPad works 24/7/365 [09:35] * bigcalm doubts that [09:35] Can't remember last time I had a day off, was at least 4 years ago [09:35] I am serious lol [09:35] You don't work in your sleep [09:36] If I get a call when I am asleep I wake up and answer it [09:36] And if it requires further action I get up and deal with it [09:36] And I only sleep an average of 4 hours a day [09:36] You need a new job :P [09:37] Problem is if I get a new job, there is no-one else doing my work in the UK to fill the void [09:40] that's your employers problem, though... [09:40] any sane company would have at least two people doing your job [09:40] PalaPad: hmmm, I have an iPhone and it seems ok, although I don't think there's an autossh on it [09:41] BigRedS I don't get paid, show me someone who is willing to work in law for free and I will gladly job share with them [09:42] Dwatkins, I use iSSH and it doesn't recognise when you lose cell coverage so have to manually restart it [09:42] bigcalm: yup - working day is 0730 - 1830 [09:42] Very annoying [09:42] danfish: ug, poor lad [09:43] good morning everyone. [09:43] Morning brobostigon ltnt :) [09:44] morning PalaPad :) [09:55] bigcalm: I do only work 4 days a week, so it's not that bad [09:55] gives me a day of tinkering and giving myself soldering iron burns :) [09:56] PalaPad: hmmm, that must be annoying [09:57] i miss soldering stuff. maybe i'll go break some wires by "accident" [09:58] :) [10:02] Happy Friday, everyone! :D [10:03] q! [10:03] gah! [10:03] but happy friday! [10:05] Morning all! [10:07] happy 10:07! [10:07] 11:07* [10:07] Morning [10:14] Aloha [10:21] was locked out of my office today :( lock was broken [10:22] fortunately my resourceful staff came to the rescue when i discovered the locksmith wouldn't arrive until the afternoon [10:22] oimon, why a sad face? Surely being unable to do work on a Friday is a good thing? :) [10:22] my office is my happy place :) [10:22] it has my crisps and chocolate and stuff [10:22] I see :) [10:22] unable to do work while at work is frustrating [10:23] mmm, crisps.. [10:23] * kazade heads to the vending machine [10:23] hmm crêpes [10:23] managed to brute force the door [10:23] however, that's not why i'm here....i logged in via another machine and now i've lost my firefox addons ...how do i know which addons i previously used? [10:27] oh cool, i found a sqlite manager addon that lets me view my adds.sqlite ..problem sorted :) [10:28] Can't sqlite3 can do that? from the command line? [10:28] perhaps [10:30] To all of the non-belivers, I now have 2 external usb harddrives hooked up to the revo without extra PSUs :) [10:31] bigcalm: To see how long it takes before it explodes? [10:31] non-beliver? Is that someone who doesn't eat bee livers ;) [10:32] danfish: very specific form of vegetarianism, that. [10:32] They require vitamin A supplements periodically. [10:32] * bigcalm ignores you lot and makes a cuppa tea :P [10:33] bigcalm: Ah, converted the PSU to a kettle, have you? [10:33] MartijnVdS: nah - he's just harnessing the excess heat the revo is now generating === denny- is now known as denny [10:36] It is a little warmer [10:38] I use 2 x usb drives on my revo all the time [10:38] never had an issue [10:38] danfish: hmm heatpipes :) [10:45] Anyone running oneiric yet? Alpha 1 is in 2 weeks... :) [10:45] nope, not yet. [10:46] i've decided not to upgrade anything until they fix the power problems since 2.6.38 [10:46] sudo mv -v /media/exdrive1/Music/* /media/exdrive3/music/ [10:47] Humm, wrong keyboard and wrong computer [10:47] oimon: You may have a while to wait as it's a generic kernel issue :) [10:47] you are not in the sudoers file. this incident will be reported [10:47] daubers: OTOH it may get fixed quicker as it's a generic kernel issue [10:48] i told my boss to sudo make me a sandwich and he told me the inicident would be reported [10:48] oimon: Insufficient admin rights? [10:49] there was a xkcd once about who get's those sudo emails... [10:49] root does. [10:49] it's me. and then i forward them to God and Santa [10:49] http://xkcd.com/838/ [10:55] I want an "I'm a grown up" option in Firefox for less in-the-way SSL warnings... [10:58] hmm.. something like https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/mitm-me/ ? [10:58] iceflatline: yes! [10:58] er [10:59] oimon: yes! [10:59] cheers! [10:59] bigcalm: that's quite a typo o -> i [10:59] BigRedS: ^ [10:59] One day I'll get the hang of checking for an add on before complaining [10:59] * bigcalm tuts [10:59] MartijnVdS: haha! :) [10:59] BigRedS: Unless you pronounce it "oiceflatline" :) [10:59] and thats why firefox will awlays rule [10:59] and pidgin > empathy for same reason [10:59] I just didn't hit the o; i [11:00] is there an irc channel for ubuntu help? [11:00] i heard that empathy doesn't even have plugins [11:00] nah [11:00] empathy reminds me a lot of old gnome [11:00] turkldx: here is as good as any :) [11:00] thank you :D [11:00] "I work this way, this is the way I will work" [11:00] Aparently we're one of the more friendly places [11:00] +1 [11:00] quick question then... [11:01] drum roll.... [11:01] !ask [11:01] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [11:01] is is possible to save the desktop config, I.e open apps so it starts up wehn logging in [11:01] ? [11:01] :)) [11:02] turkldx: which version of ubuntu are you running [11:03] in 10.10 and older, you can do system-preferences-startup applications-options-automatically remember running apps when logging out - tick box [11:04] thats brill, thanks guys. i was trying to find the version but couldnt [11:05] morning 80's fans......popey you know it's you too :D [11:06] turkldx: to find the version of ubuntu, open a terminal and enter: cat /etc/lsb-release [11:06] V10.10 :)) [11:06] mavrick meerkat [11:06] *e [11:07] lsb-release -a .also works. [11:07] cat /etc/issue also [11:07] lsb_release -a .also works. [11:08] popey: had many 11.10 name pronunciation communications yet? [11:08] _ instedof - [11:11] not enough real ones, no [11:11] What was it again, Onanic Ocelot? ;-) [11:11] !ocelot [11:11] Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) will be the fifteenth release of Ubuntu. Codename announcement here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/?p=646 Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 [11:17] how do i make a directories children group writeable by default? [11:18] TheAshMan: for all subdirectories ? [11:29] for per-directory umask settings you need to use ACLs [11:31] oimon: Yes for all sub-directories and files [11:34] ooooooooh new office chairs [11:37] * DJones wonders whether it would be cruel to hide his wifes travel sickness pills before she sets out on a 2 hour car ride over the cat & fiddle into derbyshire [11:38] TheAshMan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions#ACLs [11:38] ta :) [11:44] does anyone know how many different strings can be created with binary that is 20 chars long? [11:46] depends how many characters you are choosing from? A-Z,a-Z? or alhpanumeric? [11:46] binary being the sha1() of php, 'raw bytes' [11:46] is it the same as a normal SHA1 [11:47] looks like this... 9i’¡@ç à‹ÁÀéàö`¶ [11:47] you can't create with a SHA-1 - it doesn't work that way, SHA-1 is created from something else of arbitrary length [11:47] gord: sure, but whatever you put in, the sha1 is always the same length [11:47] what? [11:48] ok, ive figured it out.. sha1 is 160 bits, which is 20 bytes [11:48] 20 + 8 bits = 160 so there is the same number of options as a normal 'text' sha1 [11:49] oh you wondered if there was a difference? [11:49] dogmatic69: text sha1 is just the hex representation of those bytes [11:49] ye [11:49] thanks [11:49] Easier to work with -- weird bytes don't copy/paste nicely [11:49] that wasn't your original question btw...which was about permutation theory [11:49] MartijnVdS: need it for mcrypt [11:49] !xy [11:49] The XY problem is when you need to do X, and you think you can use Y to do X, so you ask about how to do Y, when what you really should do is state what your X problem is. There may be a Z solution that is even better than Y, but nobody can suggest it if X is never mentioned. [11:50] exactamondo [11:50] i can answer Y [11:50] :) [11:50] oimon: i guess the question was is the binary version rate of collisions the same as the hex [11:51] dogmatic69: yes, because they are the same thing, just written differently [11:51] :) [11:52] dogmatic69: ("2F" for "/", for example: 2 hex digits to represent 1 byte (because 4 hex digit = 4 bits)) [11:52] thanks [11:52] dogmatic69: hexadecimal, you should learn it :) [11:52] hehe [11:53] so much learning [11:53] having an acorn electron forced me to count in hex [11:53] I fully intend to never stop learning :) [11:53] same [11:53] i wonder if the brain has a save state when you die. [11:53] gone from windows -> deploying clusters in a year :D [11:53] oimon: Unlikely. [11:54] if we assume there's an afterlife, we must take memories with us, surely [11:54] oimon: Sure, but are we assuming that? [11:55] let's say yes we assume this is the case [11:55] (I'd settle for a "High Score - Enter your name" style ending screen ;)) [11:56] MartijnVdS: but who would see it? [11:57] I woudl [11:57] but I'm too atheist for it :) [11:57] christianity doesn't say too much about afterlife, but implies that memories are carried forward somehow [12:04] how can i find out the full list of command lubotu3 understands? [12:05] !help ? [12:05] !help [12:05] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [12:05] !commands [12:05] The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal [12:05] !stupid bot [12:05] !bot [12:05] Hi! I'm #ubuntu-uk's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins | Bot channels and general info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots [12:07] oimon: I don't think there is a complete list, the best bet is probably teh web interface and just search through them === locobot_2_2 is now known as locobot_2 [12:20] Temporary drives, should they be mounted at /mnt/ or just /mnt ? [12:24] "Although the use of subdirectories in /mnt as a mount point has recently been common, it conflicts with a much older tradition of using /mnt directly as a temporary mount point." http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#MEDIAMOUNTPOINT [12:24] i think the answer is, "up to you" [12:24] ^^ what he said. I tend to use /mnt for that reason [12:24] i use /mnt/disk1 [12:25] Hmm [12:25] Usually I let Ubuntu just mount actual disks in /media [12:25] So for once in an argument at work I'm *not* the luddite [12:25] because i may require to mount .iso files and loop devices [12:25] * BigRedS dances with joy [12:25] I only mount things like loop images in /,nt [12:26] * kirrus has been arguing with BigRedS about this for the past 10 minutes [12:26] redhat seems to use /mnt/devname [12:26] And I develop urges to stab people who permanently mount things in /mnt . And stab them even harder when they mount things directly in / [12:27] /backup (DIEEEE!) [12:27] oh, we have /backup on all our machines :) [12:27] It's not permanently mounted, only when we're copying stuff to or from it though [12:28] * awilkins sends PCKT_STAB to BigRedS and kirrus [12:30] hey, I don't make the rules! [12:30] * kirrus passes PCKT_STAB to writer of rsync-backup [12:31] solaris used to setup stuff in /export/home [12:31] czajkowski: prod [12:33] /export/home was the physiscal home, and /home was the automount point [12:34] davmor2: bleugh [12:35] someone has a hangover? [12:39] ~/c [12:40] czajkowski: you're still drunk aren't you? [12:40] davmor2: not drinking smartie pants [12:41] czajkowski: oh that's what the problem is then, too much blood in you alcohol stream ;) [12:42] hihihih http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-05-18/ [12:50] i missed all the great UDS talks this time :( http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/5651069099/cleaning-up-after-ourselves - everyone should watch [12:56] gord: so did I [12:56] and I was there [12:58] davmor2, did you see mpt's? that one was great and i missed that [12:58] gord: I did see any after MS's monday morning [12:59] davmor2, you fail at UDS :P [12:59] gord: i was looking at an outdated pages on the wiki for 7.10 today, thinking i'm sure this isn't stil the case? [13:00] gord: we were sprinting :P [13:00] gord: I liked the byobu talk by dustin [13:01] wrong data is often worse than no data [13:01] gord: I learnt more about what was going on from videos, omgubuntu, planet ubuntu and chats at the party and around the table at breakfast and lunch :) [13:05] Is it just me, or does firefox not play nice with unity? [13:05] it plays reasonably nice IME [13:06] Hmmm... might be something weird I've done to the configs somewhere [13:08] I know there's focusing issues [13:08] I've not come across anything else [13:08] daubers, works fine for me [13:13] Kenyon says. “We will pre-load well over 10 million PCs with Ubuntu this year and we are more than doubling users every year in India and China.” [13:13] gord: Must be some upgrade config then [13:14] I'm glad I'm not this person http://goo.gl/AZ301 Although something doesn't quite look right with the photo [13:14] DJones: ARGH! [13:15] daubers: I'm not bothered by heights, but ..... [13:16] DJones: Heights don't bother me, it's the groudns that kill you [13:16] s/groudns/grounds [13:16] At least if you fell, you wouldn't complain about it again [13:17] urgh [13:19] I think the correct comment is "Ker-Thud" [13:25] Thuds not a bad game as things go [13:26] Bit short for my liking, but you cna't have everything :) [13:29] can I play music through a bluetooth enabled car stereo? i've only tried phone calls (which works) [13:31] oimon: Ido that through my parrot car kit :) Means I can have spotify in the car [13:32] daubers: i wonder if it's possible on all bluetooth stereos . [13:32] oimon: no idea :) [13:32] cars aren't my strong point :P === OmNomDeGaulle is now known as JethroTroll [14:01] Ah run-dmc and areosmith do walk this way [14:05] davmor2: sounds tricky [14:06] dogmatic69: it's tricky but now we talking double dutch with Malcolm McClaren [14:07] :) [14:07] * DJones passes the dutchie on the left hand side [14:24] charity door-knockers just started shouting through the door and being aggressive at my wife for asking that they obey the polite request for no cold-callers on our door :( [14:24] oimon: tell them to b***ger off [14:25] MooDoo: i'm at work..after she closed the door they were shouting and generally being abusive [14:25] Chuck water out the window at them!! [14:25] i don't think that's a really helpful way to make an abusive jerk leave your property! [14:25] Ok, tar :) [14:26] tell her to shout 'I'm calling ASBO' [14:26] people don't respect that we ask for no cold callers. what's worse is taht a knock at the door starts doggy barking, then the baby wakes up [14:26] I think I'm blacklisted with religious people now, not rude but just hate people knocking at my door for stuff like that [14:26] yeah used to be my issue oimon [14:26] oimon: boobytrap the front yard/door [14:27] if i have a notice, do they really think i will change my mind and say, oh yeah, i'll buy your $product [14:27] I always wonder, would cold callers get annoyed if I knocked on their door and started preaching something? [14:27] They probably all have "No cold caller" signs up :p [14:27] the JWs have got the message now after the dog "escaped" at them [14:27] oimon: tell her to simply call the charity and tell them that their callers are being abusive and had she wanted to give she certainly doesn't want to now [14:27] davmor2: she has done the first biy [14:28] ironically they were caleld "make a child smile" [14:28] MooDoo: me owld mukka [14:28] davmor2: alreet geezer [14:28] agh firefox profile has corrupted and wiped all my settings :( [14:29] MooDoo: I reckon wim'll fit in down sowff if we keep practising you know [14:30] davmor2: aye lad, as long as the understan' terms like t'internet and middle oft road ;) [14:30] MooDoo: hehe [14:31] thank goodness it's friday [14:32] yeah [14:32] it's needed [14:32] weeks seem so long since all those bank hols [14:33] every time i try and launch the disk usage analyser i end up running byobu... [14:37] gord: spell it right when you run it from the terminal and you'll get on better when you hit tab :P [14:37] davmor2, i have completely forgotten what the actual program name is, i just type disk into unity [14:38] gord: boabob or something like that isn't it [14:38] something like that [14:38] at least i'm not trying to run bonobo from the terminal anymore [14:39] boabab infact [14:42] * awilkins keeps having to run palimpsest because Unity has no obvious way of mounting things that's in the gui [14:43] awilkins: nautilus? [14:44] MartijnVdS, Doesn't seem to have the same "Removable drives" area that the Places menu has [14:44] MartijnVdS, It's an SSD in an eSATA caddy, doesn't automount like USB flash [14:45] Ah [14:45] It's because I usually have "Tree" selected and not "places" [14:45] ah, don't use that ;) [14:50] top hits on my blog this week: disable global menu in unity [14:51]