[00:51] <TheErk> hola again
[01:15] <Unit193> Cheri703: http://ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/Ubuntu+Women+plymouth+themes+?content=141076
[01:16] <canthus13> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/apple-causes-religious-reaction-in-brains-of-fans-say-neuroscientists/
[01:17] <Unit193> canthus13: This I did see...
[01:18] <Unit193> Well.... Most of it...
[01:35]  * Cheri703 was being productive :)
[01:36] <Cheri703> yeah Unit193, that's the new u-w logo :)
[01:36] <Unit193> Thats a boot splash
[01:36] <Cheri703> yeah
[01:38] <deejoe> canthus13: did you also see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e30zR7Fv9uA
[01:39] <deejoe> 1:00 in
[01:40] <canthus13> Not yet...I'll watch it when I get home tonight.
[01:41]  * canthus13 is at work, can't really do videos.
[01:44] <deejoe> ah
[02:02] <dmcglone1> hey
[02:02] <Unit193> Howdy
[02:03] <dmcglone1> hows it going this evening?
[02:04] <TheErk> What up DMC?
[02:05] <dmcglone1> not much just got out from under being forced to watch American Idol :-/
[02:05]  * Unit193 doesn't watch that
[02:06] <dmcglone1> I don't either Unit193 but everyone else here does.
[02:07] <Unit193> Hide under the table ;)
[02:08] <dmcglone1> I try, but my little girls beat me back out from under it :-/
[02:09] <canthus13> deejoe: cancel cable.
[02:09] <canthus13> ...tabfail.
[02:09] <canthus13> or put a parental lock on the channel.
[02:09] <dmcglone1> so is everyone ready to die this saturday???? LOL
[02:09] <Unit193> ^^^
[02:10] <Unit193> I'm going to a graduation... So might as well!
[02:10] <canthus13> dmcglone1: Nah. I'm joining the looting at 6:01.
[02:10] <dmcglone1> didn't you hear Unit193?
[02:11] <dmcglone1> canthus13: I'll join you on that one, you watch my back and I'll watch yours :-)
[02:11] <Unit193> I'm waiting for the 2012 end, not 2011...
[02:11] <dmcglone1> haha, that one is a good one too
[02:12] <dmcglone1> seems now-a-days we are going to die every other week
[02:12] <dmcglone1> Hell my hard drives get a better life span than we do anymore
[02:12] <Unit193> Just because, it's going to happen friday.. :D
[02:13] <dmcglone1> well at least it's going to happen on a day that the majority of americans are happy
[02:13] <dmcglone1> lol
[02:14] <TheErk> Relax it's only the rapture.. party afterwards.
[02:14] <dmcglone1> haha
[02:14] <dmcglone1> where's the party?
[02:15] <TheErk> Wherever you want.. the christians won't be around to stop you.
[02:15] <Unit193> If the world is full of raptors, there is no party!
[02:15] <TheErk> :-D
[02:15] <Unit193> ...
[02:15] <dmcglone1> dang you got some good ones tonight TheErk
[02:16] <dmcglone1> :-)
[02:16] <dmcglone1> well in that case I'm gonna break all the 10 commandments
[02:16] <canthus13> y'know.. If they keep rescheduling the Rapture, everyone's gonna miss it. It's gonna die, just like Star Trek: Enterprise. :(
[02:17] <canthus13> We should go around town and leave little piles of clothes everywhere. :)
[02:17] <dmcglone1> yeah
[02:17] <dmcglone1> canthus13: but first we gotta steal them at 6:01
[02:18] <TheErk> You know i've heard tons of 'end of the world' reasonings.. but this one coming up.. it's just outright insane.
[02:18] <canthus13> Heh.
[02:18] <dmcglone1> don't knock the message, knock the idiots delivering it
[02:18] <dmcglone1> lol
[02:19] <canthus13> if they paid attention to their bibles, they're remember that we're not gonna know the time or day of the second coming, so any date they peg and advertize will logically be wrong.
[02:19] <dmcglone1> I think the Mayan calendar stopped because they were too stupid to count any higher
[02:20] <TheErk> I think they ran out of rock
[02:20] <dmcglone1> whoo hooo
[02:20] <canthus13> dmcglone1: Actually, it's because the cycle ended. The mayan (And many other central/south american) calendars were based on cycles.
[02:20] <dmcglone1> dang canthus13 kill it as quick as I deliver it
[02:20] <TheErk> Thank fully i have a google calendar.. and it lasts a long time.
[02:20] <dmcglone1> ;-)
[02:20] <canthus13> they had centuries to work out a new calendar for the new cycle, so why mess with it?
[02:21] <TheErk> Although i do believe that if one day i can not get to my google calendar.
[02:21] <TheErk> It may be the end of the world.
[02:21] <dmcglone1> I like the "running out rock" theory better :-)
[02:23] <dmcglone1> I really think the dinosaurs ate them before they could finish their calendar :-/
[02:24] <dmcglone1> will Ubuntu 11.10 have a Gnome option?
[02:24] <dmcglone1> or will it just be Unity?
[02:28] <TheErk> I do not know
[02:29] <dmcglone1> I think it was Unit193 that posted the IRC chat where he said the next release will proably include a gnome option
[02:32] <dmcglone1> Or it may have mentioned support for Gnome.
[02:32] <dmcglone1> can't remember which though
[02:33] <TheErk> No idea good sir.
[02:33] <TheErk> Me, i like Unity.
[02:34] <dmcglone1> Eeeeek!
[02:34] <TheErk> :-D
[02:34] <dmcglone1> I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole
[02:35] <dmcglone1> TheErk: tried Gnome 3?
[02:35] <TheErk> I have not.
[02:35] <dmcglone1> beats the hell out of Unity
[02:35] <TheErk> Why?
[02:35] <Unit193> dmcglone1: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/expected-changes-in-ubuntu-1110-oneiric.html
[02:36] <dmcglone1> I say you try it before deciding, If you like unity, I guarantee you will like gnome 3
[02:36] <TheErk> Fair enough, i'll DL the live USB
[02:36] <dmcglone1> thanks Unit193
[02:36] <Unit193> Anything beats Unity...
[02:37] <dmcglone1> TheErk: I like how you can put your cursor in the top left corner and everything pops down so you can see the desktops and apps, favorites and places
[02:38] <dmcglone1> It's organised way better than Unity
[02:38] <TheErk> oooo i would love if they got rid of evolution
[02:38] <Unit193> dmcglone1: Sounds like Mac OS X
[02:39] <dmcglone1> I'm not crazy about evolution, I do use it, but it's better than anything else I've found.
[02:39] <Unit193> T-Bird wins
[02:39] <dmcglone1> Kmail is good, but it's bloated
[02:39] <dmcglone1> Unit193: I don't care for web based clients :-/
[02:40] <Unit193> ...
[02:40] <Cheri703> hola
[02:40] <TheErk> I would be fine with no mail client
[02:40] <Unit193> I'm sure there is a way to run T-Bird off that, but normally you use the sudo apt-get install thunderbird
[02:40]  * Cheri703 was productive tonight :D
[02:40] <Cheri703> still more to do, but made progress
[02:40] <dmcglone1> by the way TheErk you can't download Gnome 3 unless you use fedora or suse and some other distro
[02:41] <TheErk> Gnome 3 has a live distro based on fedora
[02:41] <dmcglone1> hola back Cheri703
[02:41]  * Cheri703 is not a hola back girl
[02:41] <dmcglone1> yeah
[02:41]  * Cheri703 is in a weird mood :)
[02:41] <dmcglone1> well you are now, you started it
[02:41] <dmcglone1> :-)
[02:46] <dmcglone1> TheErk: http://ubuntuone.com/p/uSj/
[02:46] <dmcglone1> thats with just 1 desktop
[02:47] <TheErk> It still downloading
[02:47] <dmcglone1> I'm posting one of the desktop now
[02:48] <dmcglone1> http://ubuntuone.com/p/uSk/
[02:48] <TheErk> I will give you this one caveat.. i am a visually impaired user.. and i love Unity for its design.. nice big icons and all
[02:49] <dmcglone1> I see, I'm pretty sure you can make things bigger with Gnome 3 also
[02:50] <dmcglone1> I love that new samsumg infuze commercail
[02:52] <dmcglone1> I think I might have poison oak :-/
[02:53] <Unit193> Scratch it then dump alcohol on it
[02:54] <dmcglone1> Ow. sounds painful
[02:54] <TheErk> Amputation.. it's the only way
[02:54] <dmcglone1> I got a chain saw
[02:54] <Unit193> Bleach!  not alcohol!
[02:54] <dmcglone1> LOL
[02:55] <dmcglone1> Ok I'll be back gonna try bleach
[02:55] <dmcglone1> NOT!
[02:55] <dmcglone1> I'll use Pee, that should work. heard it on a survival show ;-/
[02:56] <Unit193> I heard scratch && bleach!
[02:57] <Cheri703> there's a special soap you can get
[02:57] <dmcglone1> well there's no way in hell I'm pouring bleach in a wound
[02:57] <Unit193> :D
[02:58] <dmcglone1> Unit193: put your hearing aid on, so you don't hear anything like that again :-/
[02:58] <dmcglone1> Cheri703: special soap is for sissies... LOL
[02:59] <dmcglone1> I'll just scratch it and bite it till the skin it's on is gone. That'll work
[02:59] <TheErk> Making USB now
[02:59] <dmcglone1> cool TheErk
[02:59] <dmcglone1> I think You'll like it
[03:00] <dmcglone1> Fox 28's idea of "breaking news" A fire downtown
[03:01] <dmcglone1> whoopi doo doo
[03:01] <dmcglone1> a vacant building it was
[03:01] <TheErk>   rebooting... back in a sec
[03:01] <dmcglone1> k
[03:06] <TheErk> Blah.. my PC doesn't want to boot from Flash
[03:06] <dmcglone1> that was quick
[03:06] <dmcglone1> do you have it enabled in the BIOS?
[03:06] <TheErk> Yep
[03:06] <TheErk> Just not seeing anything connected
[03:07] <dmcglone1> sounds like it's not enabled in the BIOS
[03:08] <TheErk> Lemmie try another port
[03:10] <TheErk> brb
[03:20] <TheErk> ehhh monkeys
[03:21] <jgould> Monkeys?
[03:21] <dmcglone1> watching planet of the apes again? I warned you
[03:21] <dmcglone1> lol
[03:21] <TheErk> MONKEYS!
[03:21] <TheErk> I'm actually looking forward to the prequal
[03:22] <jgould> Hmmm... Maybe I should make coffee
[03:22] <dmcglone1> did it work this time TheErk
[03:22] <TheErk> Nope
[03:22] <dmcglone1> wow
[03:22] <dmcglone1> how'd you install unity?
[03:23] <TheErk> CD
[03:23] <jgould> also, I need to reboot...  This thign did a slew of updates...
[03:23] <dmcglone1> any kernel updates jgould?
[03:26] <TheErk> hmmmm.. be back.
[03:32] <dmcglone1> welcome back
[03:37] <dmcglone1> well I'm outta here. have a good one everybody
[03:40] <jgould> Did it work, Erk
[03:41]  * jgould ponders switching to Mavrick...
[03:43] <TheErk> Hell no
[03:43] <jgould> I feel your pain
[03:48] <jgould> Hmm...  What does it mean when you have an executable that you are you supposed to run ldd on and it tells you that it's 'not a dynamic executable' even though you know it is...
[03:49] <TheErk> It means...
[03:49] <TheErk> something is broke
[03:52] <jgould> I figured that out already...  I hate figuring out what is broke when that is the only clue you get...
[03:54] <canthus13> jgould: I lurve maverick.
[03:54] <jgould> Mavrick may work better, it may not
[03:55] <Unit193> I like Natty
[03:55] <canthus13> jgould: gotta chmod +x maybe?
[03:55] <canthus13> Unit193: Ew.
[03:55] <jgould> I would prefer lucid, as that's what's running on my server...
[03:55] <Unit193> canthus13: Only L/X
[03:55] <jgould> Nope, Same thing
[03:57]  * jgould grumbles
[04:00] <jgould> I'm going to install Maverick rather than Natty and see if I get anywhere...  I'll be back in about an hour
[04:10] <jgould> Well,  The good news is that Mavrick seems to work better than Natty on a live CD
[04:12] <jgould> The first thing this liveCD told me was that there was an upgrade... When is the next LTS Version?  Is it going to be 12.04?
[04:21] <jgould> wow this thing heats up when it's working
[04:27]  * Cheri703 almost made a joke about that being a euphemism, but will refrain
[04:28] <jgould> Heh
[04:30] <jgould> I'm going to mail away for some stickers from System76.  I know my server could stand to lose the "Powered by Windows XP sticker..."
[04:30] <Cheri703> that's cool
[04:36] <jgould> BRB,  Rebooting into Mavrick
[04:58] <jgould> ok, Back
[04:59] <jgould> Also, after a little bit of research, 12.04 is going to be the next LTS.
[05:00] <Unit193> Any Pithos users? (I like pianobar too, canthus13)
[05:07] <jgould> Never heard of it, unit
[05:08] <Unit193> Pandora client
[05:09] <Unit193> I know a fix to get better songs :D
[05:10] <jgould> I think I have a pandora account... Maybe I should look into it
[05:10] <Unit193> Pithos and pianobar
[05:11] <Unit193> WIth Pithos it may be best to use his ppa...
[05:14] <jgould> I'm waiting on updates to install and then I'll look into it
[05:15] <jgould> Taht's the down side to installing a 6 month old distro...  Lots of updates
[05:15] <jgould> But unlike Windows, I get them all in one hit
[05:16] <Unit193> And you shouldn't have to reboot 7 times...
[05:17] <jgould> Exactly.  One time and the updates are done.  Apple is pretty close to that, depending on the updates.  I still don't get why you have to reboot for Safari though...
[05:18] <Unit193> http://www.stickycomics.com/computer-update/
[05:18] <jgould> Also, I need to look into remapping my control key to my command key and vice versa.  should I have a 'windows like' key function
[05:19] <jgould> LOL
[05:19] <Unit193> I see that as rather ture...
[05:19] <jgould> I do too
[05:21]  * Cheri703 is bored...
[05:22] <Unit193> In the themes section, the "windows" one doesn't look close to as good as XP (or up for that matter...)
[05:22] <canthus13> jgould: you probably should have the 'windows' key.
[05:22] <canthus13> jgould: it's useful for a lot of stuff, particularly with compiz.
[05:22] <jgould> Under unity, if I hit my command (it remaps to the start/windows key under windows) I get the menu.  I don't get that in 10.10
[05:22] <Unit193> I take it the mactel channel is usless?
[05:23] <jgould> Yeah,  there is one other person in there besides me
[05:25] <jgould> I've not played with compiz...
[05:25] <canthus13> jgould: also, the keyboard shortcuts app allows you to map all sorts of stuff to various key combos.
[05:30]  * jgould notes that it's hot in ehre
[05:30] <jgould> er here
[05:31] <jgould> 78 is a tad bit warm
[05:31] <Unit193> Way too hot...
[05:32] <jgould> on my natty box, teh command key doens't do anything either
[05:32] <jgould> So what do the 'official' natty cd's look like
[05:34] <Unit193> http://www.stickycomics.com/wp-content/uploads/os_couples.jpg
[05:36] <jgould> heh
[05:36] <jgould> brb, restarting the laptop
[05:59] <jgould> Well,  this hasn't helped... I'm going to go back to natty
[06:08] <jgould> why the hell when I have synaptic open to find a package, do I go and switch to the CLI so I can install it??!?!!
[06:11] <Cheri703> you shouldn't
[06:11] <jgould> I know.  I can do it right from Synaptic
[06:11] <Cheri703> *shouldn't have to
[06:11] <Cheri703> ok, I misread and thought you had to for some reason
[06:12] <Unit193> Synaptic? What is this?
[06:13] <jgould> I'm beginning to think it's force of habit from working on the server.  i've installed a few packages by searchign for them in synaptic first, and then swtiching to the CLI for the server and installign them
[06:14] <Unit193> You can search with CLI...
[06:14] <Unit193> ...That's not the point
[06:15] <Cheri703> this is coming from left field, but...pregnant women who are close to their due date ...shouldn't they anticipate the whole "water breaking" thing? like...wear a diaper or rubber pants or something? I dunno...in tv shows/movies they always end up with a puddle, which is nasty...just seems like there's a better way
[06:15] <jgould> Ew.  and that is left field.
[06:17] <jgould> and you would think so
[06:18] <Unit193> Not everyone has their water break
[06:18] <Cheri703> it just....doesn't make sense to me
[06:18]  * Cheri703 is super grossed out by the whole childbirth thing
[06:19]  * jgould thinks that means that there won't be any little Cheri's running aournd
[06:19] <Cheri703> not anytime soon!
[06:20] <Cheri703> I feel no particular urge for children that are biologically mine
[06:20] <Cheri703> at this exact minute, I'm not having a major urge toward ANY children, but if that comes, we'll see
[06:21] <jgould> I wouldn't mind kids, but we're not actively trying for them right now.  I deal with too many at work...
[06:24] <jgould> I think that the fact that I keep trying to install Linux, even though I have issues, might mean something...
[06:24] <Unit193> http://www.motifake.com/index.php?start=134741
[06:38] <Cheri703> any of you watch the show Bones?
[06:39] <jgould> Nope.  I've thought about it
[06:42] <jgould> I love having a network enabled printer
[06:42] <jgould> especially considering it was free XD
[06:43] <Cheri703> I'm trying to decide whether or not to go to bed...I don't *technically* have anything on my schedule for tomorrow til 3:30pm
[06:43]  * jgould fills Cheri703's schedule up with random stuff
[06:44] <Cheri703> bah, then I have to wake up earlier
[06:44] <jgould> Sorry
[06:45] <Cheri703> my brain is weird
[06:45] <Cheri703> sometimes I feel strange, I think my blood sugar is out of whack at the moment
[06:46] <Cheri703> brb
[06:46] <jgould> possible.  I will randomly feel dizzy.  It's something I inherted from my mother... Thanks Mom!
[06:52] <Cheri703> back
[06:53] <jgould> front
[06:55] <jgould> I'm going to go find out how much it's going to cost to mail something.  I'll brb
[06:59] <Unit193> My cousin *can't* (or *REALLY* shouldn't) have sugar
[07:12] <jgould> I've often wondered if I'm not hypoglycemic <SP>
[07:13] <Cheri703> I am
[07:13] <Cheri703> have been since I was a kid
[07:13] <Unit193> I would be sad if I could never have real sugar...
[07:13] <jgould> I agree, Unit193
[07:13] <Cheri703> I can have sugar, I just *should* have it with "real" food
[07:14] <Unit193> +caffeine
[07:14] <jgould> Candy is "real" food, right?
[07:14] <Cheri703> that doesn't always happen and I get into weird up/down things, but I manage
[07:15] <jgould> It's all about knowing how to control it
[07:15] <Unit193> Cousin can't...
[07:15] <Cheri703> yeah
[07:15] <jgould> Ok,  It's going to cost me $10.20ish to mail this defective router back to Cisco
[07:16] <Cheri703> :/
[07:16] <jgould> I turn the air on and it goes *up* a degree in here... WTF
[07:17] <jgould> I thoguht we were gonna be paperless by now...  I seem to have more paper than I know what to do with...
[07:21]  * jgould removes his brain
[07:25] <jgould> Hmm... Update manager doesn't seem to want to work
[07:44] <jgould> Now I have appications crashing out of the blue...
[08:16] <jgould> Wow... Unity just defaulted to a 2D mode
[08:19] <jgould> See This is what I dont' get.  things will change for no reason
[08:24] <jgould> Hmm... I'm talking to my self
[08:25] <Unit193> That heppens a TON for you...
[08:25] <jgould> Which, talking to my self or things changing?
[08:28] <Unit193> You talk to yourself
[08:29] <jgould> That's cause no one answers me...
[08:29]  * Unit193 hasn't used Linux on a new mac...
[08:30]  * jgould pulls his hair out
[08:31] <jgould> :P
[08:32] <jgould> if I knew then what I know now, my system wouldn't have been a new Mac (or at least not an 8,1
[08:33] <Unit193> My cousin hasn't really used linux, is it worth it to try to get him to use it on his mac?
[08:34] <jgould> I think you will have better luck with a 7,1 than the 8,1 at this point
[09:21] <BiosElement> Random offtopic awesomeness
[09:21] <BiosElement> Sony just found a live phishing site running on their own servers...
[09:22] <BiosElement> Am I allowed to laugh yet? :P
[09:23] <jgould> No
[09:24] <Unit193> Wow...
[09:24] <BiosElement> No? But...but...it's like poor sony's trying to make fools of themselves
[09:25] <jgould> Heh
[09:25] <Unit193> Security? We don't need no security!
[09:25] <BiosElement> I mean, I know they've hired good techs. And I know they're telling sony's execs they're retarded monkeys... >.>
[09:30] <BiosElement> Oh, to be fair, it 'was' from Sony Ireland's tiny server division. >.< And it doesn't look like it had a valid ssl cert, but still..
[09:30] <jgould> Damn libraries
[09:31] <BiosElement> Hmm?
[09:31] <jgould> I have a program that uses dynamic linking to libraries.  I have the damn library installed but it can't seem to find it
[09:32] <BiosElement> Bleh, I had python telling me to go to hell once...spent two days debugging it...had a damned typo in the import
[09:32] <BiosElement> *import
[09:33] <BiosElement> Hah, if you think the FBI is tracking you, get a Car Cigarette GPS Jammer >.> Awesome.
[09:33] <jgould> O.o
[09:34] <Unit193> That's on the list right after my cellphone jammer...
[09:35] <BiosElement> Hehe, only 50 bucks. :P
[09:36] <BiosElement> This is awesome, It's technically a federal crime in the US and yet GPS jammers are sold via US companies. >.>
[09:37] <BiosElement> It'd be much more fun to jam the GPS Sats themselves though. >.<
[09:37] <Unit193> Texting jammer is a nice thing to have..
[09:37] <BiosElement> It's actually not hard to spoof a GPS signal either since most GPS receivers just latch onto the strongest signal.
[09:40] <BiosElement> Has anyone done much poking around into Stuxnet? Just poking around some, it's pretty impressive.
[09:41] <jgould> Never heard of it
[09:41] <jgould> Ha! Take that you stupid library!
[09:41] <BiosElement> It's probably the first state-sponsored 'cyberwar' worm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet
[09:41] <Unit193> BiosElement: Gonna build your own, eh?
[09:42] <BiosElement> hah, I wish I had the skills to do that Unit193 :P Though only in a greyhat kind of way >.<
[09:44] <BiosElement> Amazing thing about Stuxnet is it hit four 0day exploits for win, had two valid signed drivers, snuck around and only targeted a very specific type of system.
[09:50] <jgould> Hmm... I wonder if I have scrolling on my trackpad in Ubuntu Classic or just in Unity
[09:51] <jgould> Yay!
[09:51] <jgould> We're getting somewhere
[09:53] <jgould> This is something I didnt' have before
[09:58] <jgould> Now, don't ask me to tell you how I got it working
[09:59] <BiosElement> hah
[09:59] <BiosElement> Don't breath
[10:00] <jgould> The sad thing is that I have that kind of luck
[11:31]  * jgould makes a note to not try to figure out technical stuff when he's half asleep
[13:21] <jgould> Ah ha! Fixed it
[14:10]  * jgould sighs
[14:14] <jgould> damn it!
[14:14] <jgould> from working to not,  Just like that
[16:18] <thafreak> Anyone setup TOR before?
[16:39] <canthus13> thafreak: Yup.
[16:42] <canthus13> it's slower than shit, but it does a decent job.
[16:43] <canthus13> certainly better than freenet.
[16:43] <canthus13> jgould: What do you keep breaking?
[17:22] <jgould> You mean with my internet?
[17:22] <canthus13> jgould: Yeah.
[17:22] <jgould> No idea
[17:22] <canthus13> Router issues?
[17:24] <jgould> Probably... I was sleeping
[17:27] <jgould> woke up from an odd dream and had to send an email...
[17:29] <jgould> Kinda werid when that happnes...  Anywho, back to sleep
[18:36] <thafreak> I'm thinking of setting up TOR just for IRC :)
[18:36] <thafreak> to obscure my host
[18:36] <jgould> TOR?
[18:47]  * jgould ponders
[18:48]  * jgould is also cold
[18:49] <Unit193> I'm not cold at all!
[18:54] <jgould> it's 77 in here and I'm freezing
[18:55] <thafreak> There we go...didn't realize I wasn't connecting with SSL all this time!
[18:56] <Unit193> thafreak: Do you need it?
[18:59] <jgould> connecting to the irc server?
[19:00] <thafreak> well..when I send my top secret password for identifying my nick....yeah I need it to go over ssl :)
[19:00] <thafreak> been sending it plain text all this time
[19:03] <jgould> ah
[19:12]  * jgould rubs his eyes
[19:35] <thafreak> Nice...now I got me a cloak :)
[19:36] <Unit193> Who gave it to you? (Did you also ask for a dagger?)
[19:37] <jgould> damn flash makes the fans spin up on this thing
[19:37] <Unit193> Then stop flashing your computer....
[19:39] <canthus13> jgould: Flash makes my work machine go nuts... and it's running on my laptop at home. :/
[19:46] <jgould> I can't help that flashing it gets it all hot and bothered
[19:49] <thafreak> I just followed the freenode instructions
[19:49] <thafreak> just make sure your nick is registered, then find a freenode staffer and ask for a cloak
[19:49] <thafreak> disconnect and reconnect, and viola, you're cloaked
[19:50] <Unit193> thafreak: I was just asking what staffer gave it to you (You didn't have to disconnect and reconnect)
[19:51] <Unit193> thafreak: And the dagger what from asking for a cloak and dagger :D
[19:51] <thafreak> i caught the cloak-n-dagger ref :)
[19:52] <Unit193> I told my friend to ask for that too (and he did :D )
[19:52] <thafreak> well, they said they gave me a cloak...but i still saw the host I was connecting from...so i disconnected and re-connected (the solution to everything) and it's there now
[19:52] <jgould> A reboot fixes everything
[19:53] <jgould> including the human brain
[19:53] <thafreak> word
[19:53] <Unit193> +coffee
[19:54] <jgould> +coffee
[19:54] <thafreak> already have that...
[19:54] <thafreak> just brewed some
[19:54] <jgould> I need some
[19:54] <jgould> Also need to get off my ass and do something...
[19:58] <thafreak> stunnel4
[20:02] <thafreak> Anyone set up one of those boot on lan environments, where you can remotely image machines?
[20:03] <thafreak> i saw something in conjunction with clonezilla about it
[20:06] <thafreak> i think I just had a great idea
[20:06] <thafreak> since I can't out right replace these stupid windows computers...I'm going to ADD a linux computer to each office
[20:06] <thafreak> so when their windoze machine breaks, they have something that keeps working
[20:08] <thafreak> if they're anything like normal people with normal brains, they'll eventually start to rely more on the machine that is usable most of the time right?
[20:09] <Unit193> The computer speakers that pickup radio just started playing the rickroll....
[20:11] <canthus13> thafreak: What did you wanna know about tor?
[20:15] <thafreak> canthus13: just how hard/easy it was to setup and use...
[20:15] <thafreak> I have some new vps servers coming with unmetered bandwidth...thinking of running a tor middleman on one
[20:16] <canthus13> thafreak: Not that difficult.... you'd have to write a script to automagically turn it on, otherwise you're doing /etc/init.d/tor start and /etc/init.d/privoxy start... and you ideally want to install teh torbutton plugin for firefox.
[20:16] <Unit193> http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor
[20:16] <canthus13> dunno how hard it is to run a node.
[20:17] <thafreak> i was just going to run irssi over it really
[20:17] <thafreak> well, we'll see...got some other experiments to do first
[20:19] <canthus13> never used irssi over it.
[20:23] <jgould> Hmm...  We haven't gotten any mail in 3 days... Not normal
[20:31] <deejoe> snail or e?
[20:36] <jgould> snail
[20:36] <thafreak> maybe you're actually on vacation, and no one told you
[20:47] <jgould> That would be nice
[20:49] <jgould> Can I be on vacation somewhere nice?
[21:00] <canthus13> jgould: No spam? I'd be thrilled...
[21:13] <Unit193> This coffee is so good....
[21:29] <thafreak> what kinds of koffee?
[21:29] <thafreak> ha, that reminds me...anyone remember kafe...or however it was spelled...
[21:29] <thafreak> the java implementation from way back
[21:29] <thafreak> was it kaffee...
[21:30] <canthus13> never hurd of it.
[21:32] <thafreak> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaffe
[21:32] <thafreak> it was aparently the first open source java implementation...
[21:32] <thafreak> probably why redhat distributed it back in the day
[21:33] <thafreak> like back redhat 5/6 days
[21:33] <thafreak> for the un-initiated, fedora 1 = redhat 10 :)
[21:34] <SkrappJaw> thafreak: That much I knew
[21:34] <SkrappJaw> Im still a newb tho. lol
[21:34] <SkrappJaw> <-- 6 months of ubuntu thus far.
[21:34] <thafreak> some people hear me talk about redhat 5 or 6 and are like...isn't that the current version :)
[21:34] <SkrappJaw> lol.
[21:35] <SkrappJaw> redhat became the umbrella for all the stuff involving fedora and the like didnt it?
[21:35] <thafreak> yep...
[21:36] <thafreak> what happened, a community project started to make newer RPM's for redhat
[21:36] <thafreak> they called themselves feodora...
[21:36] <SkrappJaw> cuz thats the hat in the redhat logo
[21:36] <thafreak> this was back when there was only 1 redhat...it was all free...
[21:36] <canthus13> thafreak: My first unix-style shell account was RH 4.62....
[21:36] <canthus13> (My first shell account was VMS..)
[21:36] <thafreak> nice
[21:37] <canthus13> VMS makes neckbeards cry.
[21:37] <thafreak> mine was some solaris abomination...
[21:37] <thafreak> I think
[21:37] <canthus13> but my first internet access was via VMS.
[21:37] <canthus13> I don't think it was called 'internet' back then, though.. Still ARPAnet.
[21:37] <SkrappJaw> I did read some on Fedora. The only reason I'm on Ubu is because fedora doesnt like my IBM Thinkcentre p4 box. Its well aged.
[21:37] <thafreak> haha yeah...I remember getting slip setup...
[21:37] <thafreak> it was a pain
[21:38] <canthus13> Fuck slip.  I had X.25 PAD access.
[21:38] <canthus13> via dialup into a 1200 baud connection.
[21:38] <thafreak> my only complaint about redhat and fedora, is that yum is garbage
[21:38] <canthus13> s/yum/yuck/
[21:38] <thafreak> seriously
[21:38] <canthus13> too slow.
[21:38] <thafreak> back in the day, I used apt4rpm :)
[21:39] <canthus13> Heh.
[21:39]  * SkrappJaw isnt geek enough to know what that was.
[21:40] <canthus13> I forget the package manager I used when I last used an RH style distro... it was kinda like synaptic... in Open Caldera 2.3
[21:40] <thafreak> some one ported the apt tools to use rpm's (redhat packages) instead of dpkg (debian packages)
[21:40]  * canthus13 never wants to go back to those days...
[21:40] <SkrappJaw> ah. Ok. I know dpkg.
[21:41] <thafreak> I should see if apt4rpm is still around...might actually use fedora if it has apt4rpm...
[21:41] <Cheri703> SkrappJaw: me neither
[21:41] <Unit193> thafreak: Irish Cream
[21:41] <canthus13> SkrappJaw: you should.
[21:41] <Cheri703> btw, o/ SkrappJaw :)
[21:41] <canthus13> SkrappJaw: dpkg is the foundation for apt.
[21:41] <SkrappJaw> lol, Cheri703
[21:41] <SkrappJaw> I would like to know how to compile my own dpkg.
[21:42] <thafreak> hmm...when the last item in the "news" section is dated 2005, that's a bad sign
[21:42] <SkrappJaw> for qjoypad. So i dont have to compile it every time I install on a new box
[21:42]  * canthus13 wonders how you install dpkg if you accidentally remove it...
[21:42] <thafreak> aptitude reinstall foo
[21:42] <thafreak> ?
[21:42] <SkrappJaw> lol
[21:43] <SkrappJaw> I have problems with debian6. Nautilus is broke out the box. Wont run as root.
[21:43] <SkrappJaw> Gives me some crazy errors. I tried to find it but couldnt sort it out.
[21:44] <canthus13> thafreak: I thought aptitude depended on dpkg.
[21:44] <thafreak> OH
[21:44] <thafreak> you removed dpkg! ahahaha
[21:45] <thafreak> holy crap man
[21:45] <thafreak> download the dpkg deb, and untar it
[21:45] <SkrappJaw> its an error with something. Daemon? Something bout not being able to connect to dbus server
[21:45] <thafreak> http://apt-rpm.org/about.shtml
[21:46] <thafreak> so that one is still active
[21:46] <thafreak> might have to install fedora just to try that out...
[21:46] <canthus13> thafreak: I didn't remove it.. I was just wondering how to put it back, aside from compiling from source. :)
[21:47] <thafreak> you can untar an deb
[21:47]  * canthus13 did accidentally remove rpm on Open Caldera once, though... which completely destroyed the system.
[21:47] <thafreak> you can unzip ish an rpm too
[21:47] <thafreak> actually cpio
[21:47] <canthus13> yeah, but the whole dependency hell thing made it impossible to do just about anything. :/
[21:48] <thafreak> yep
[21:48] <canthus13> It was easier to switch back to windows.
[21:48] <thafreak> hence the reason I setup apt-rpm :_
[21:48] <canthus13> heh.
[21:48] <canthus13> I didn't know about it yet... Debian seemed like some mystical neckbeard distro back in 2001.
[21:49] <thafreak> yes it did...that's why I just took apt, and left the rest ;)
[21:49] <thafreak> but then i switched to gentoo...after that, debian seemed easy :)
[21:50] <canthus13> Hmm... Just got an offer for a software tester position... at 12.50/hr. :/
[21:50] <SkrappJaw> boss.
[21:50] <thafreak> is it a paycut?
[21:52]  * SkrappJaw is not employed.
[21:52] <SkrappJaw> That'd be boss for me. lol
[21:57] <SkrappJaw> So, question. How does one uninstall a program they compiled via make install?
[22:04] <Cheri703> canthus13: /me would love to make $12.50/hr :D
[22:13] <canthus13> Cheri703: Wanna move to whitehouse?
[22:13] <Cheri703> no idea where that is
[22:13] <canthus13> SW of toledo.
[22:13] <canthus13> It's a small town about half an hour out.
[22:13] <Cheri703> hmm...
[22:13] <Cheri703> no chance of telecommuting, eh?
[22:14] <canthus13> Doesn't look like it. I'll forward it to you.
[22:15] <Cheri703> kk
[22:16] <Cheri703> interesting
[22:24] <canthus13> thafreak: Yeah... a fair bit of a paycut....
[22:25] <canthus13> SkrappJaw: Depends.. Some have an uninstall script. you might check the readme.
[23:19]  * jgould is bored
[23:19] <jgould> and i need a package of $.70 parts...
[23:32] <canthus13> jgould: try installing LFS if you're bored.
[23:33] <jgould> LFS?
[23:36] <canthus13> Linux From Scratch.
[23:36] <canthus13> Try installing it in a VM.  It's basically compiling everything from the toolchain on up.
[23:37]  * Unit193 wants to go to OLF and see people from the LoCo
[23:37]  * canthus13 is going to OLF.
[23:37] <canthus13> Speaking of which.. I need to request the days off now.
[23:39] <jgould> OLF?
[23:45] <canthus13> Ohio Linux Fesgt.
[23:45] <canthus13> ...Fest.
[23:45] <canthus13> In cbus Sept 9-11.
[23:46] <canthus13> Gotta go for the pre-party... Last year, Nagios dropped $10k on the bar for drinks for OLF folks...
[23:46] <canthus13> ...which resulted in paultag endorsing them. :)
[23:55] <Unit193> Now my voice hurts from yelling at the computer....
[23:55] <canthus13> Unit193: That was dumb.
[23:56] <canthus13> You should kick it next time.  Or headbutt it.
[23:56] <Unit193> The site spider has no **** filter....
[23:57] <Unit193> And now it's hung...
[23:59]  * canthus13 won't crack any jokes.