[04:53] <jerry_l> hello room.
[04:53] <holstein> jerry_l: o/
[04:53] <jerry_l> anyone know about syncing computers for recording?
[04:54] <holstein> sure
[04:54] <holstein> jerry_l: what do you have in mind?
[04:54] <holstein> jacktrip or netjack is an easy way to share machines
[04:54] <holstein> you can get decent latency between machine on a local network too
[04:55] <holstein> i used to have a few P4's netjack'd
[04:55] <jerry_l> i want to use 1 ubuntu studio for play back and another for a live line in and the recording the audio from the other machine.
[04:55] <holstein> i called it the 'poormans dual-core' ;)
[04:56] <jerry_l> i have a lot of P4 2.8ghz computers but only 1 core duo laptop. so i want to try the computers.
[04:57] <holstein> well, just so you know
[04:57] <holstein> ubuntustudio = ubuntu
[04:57] <holstein> you dont have to or need to install ubuntustudio to do what you are trying to do
[04:57] <holstein> and depending on your situation
[04:57] <holstein> JACK might be overkill
[04:57] <holstein> there are lots of things in pulse that i havent tried
[04:57] <jerry_l> overkill?
[04:58] <holstein> overkill, like too much
[04:58] <holstein> JACK is not trivial
[04:58] <holstein> if you havent used it
[04:58] <holstein> SO, you want on machine playing something
[04:58] <holstein> and another recording that sound, and a mic?
[04:59] <holstein> you can use JACK on one machine for this kind of thing
[04:59] <holstein> probably pulse too*
[04:59] <holstein> im not sure you need multiple boxes
[04:59] <holstein> audio is acutally relatively light on resources still
[04:59] <holstein> unless you have 16 tracks and all kinds of plugins*
[05:00] <jerry_l> when i record a guitar track then, set for playback, 2- enable next track for bass , play and record everything sounds great while recording and then end. and play back all and it will be a shred out of sync.
[05:00] <holstein> jerry_l: what are you using?
[05:00] <holstein> audacity?
[05:01] <holstein> what you have is called latency
[05:01] <holstein> JACK is helpful with that
[05:01] <jerry_l> ardour and jack (1?)
[05:01] <holstein> and ardour is supposed to correct for that
[05:01] <holstein> hmmm
[05:01] <holstein> jerry_l: have you asked in #ardour?
[05:01] <holstein> its really supposed to correct for latency AFAIK
[05:02] <holstein> let me reffer you to #opensourcemusicians as well
[05:02] <holstein> jerry_l: you can always tweak your jack settings
[05:02] <holstein> for lower latency
[05:02] <jerry_l> i cant find the ardour room yet on freenode. for some reason all of my saved channels are gone. pdgin.
[05:02] <holstein> its just #ardour
[05:03] <holstein> jerry_l: what is the latency reporting in setup in jackcontrol ?
[05:03] <holstein> 23ms or so?
[05:03] <holstein> i find anywhere near 10ms is tolerable
[05:03] <jerry_l> i dont recall...
[05:03] <holstein> i have a mixing profile and a tracking profile
[05:03] <holstein> as well as others*
[05:03] <jerry_l> 10ms.. writing it down.
[05:03] <holstein> in 'setup' under jackcontrol
[05:04] <holstein> the settings in the midder
[05:04] <holstein> middle*
[05:04] <jerry_l> let me turn on my laptop and look at the settings.
[05:04] <holstein> frames/period and periods/buffer
[05:04] <holstein> thats are the ones you want to tweak
[05:04] <jerry_l> frames/period ? is how fast the line moves across screen?
[05:05] <holstein> well, dont think screen
[05:05] <holstein> its all about the time it takes the computer to process data
[05:05] <holstein> and im not sure about the particulars
[05:05] <holstein> i just know you can go too low and it wont work
[05:05] <jerry_l> jack window up..
[05:05] <holstein> or you'll get xruns*
[05:06] <jerry_l> clicked setup.
[05:06] <holstein> right
[05:06] <holstein> in the midder
[05:06] <jerry_l> frames= 1024
[05:06] <holstein> middle*
[05:06] <holstein> set frames/period to 256
[05:06] <jerry_l> periods = 2
[05:06] <holstein> and periods/buffer to 2
[05:06] <holstein> and try starting jack again
[05:06] <holstein> see if if complains
[05:06] <jerry_l> start delay 2 secs?
[05:06] <holstein> doesnt matter*
[05:07] <holstein> leave the rest
[05:07] <jerry_l> cool.
[05:07] <holstein> the start delay wont effect latency
[05:07] <jerry_l> driver alsa? dosnt ardour use oss?
[05:08] <holstein> ardour is using JACK
[05:08] <holstein> and jack can use whatever
[05:08] <holstein> but ALSA is what you want if thats what was working before
[05:08] <holstein> freebob is the old firewire driver
[05:08] <holstein> firewire is the new one
[05:08] <holstein> FFADO*
[05:08] <holstein> thats the one i use
[05:09] <holstein> jerry_l: you have an internal sound card?
[05:09] <holstein> ALSA is what you want
[05:09] <holstein> and, JACK might not start at this setting for an internal card
[05:09] <holstein> but, you just raise the frames/period
[05:09] <holstein> til it can start
[05:09] <jerry_l> i have a 1 TB western digital external USB think that might work for recording and playback of less than 4 streams.?
[05:10] <holstein> sure
[05:10] <jerry_l> i have a Stealth Plug from IKmedia
[05:11] <holstein> interesting... that 'just works' with JACK?
[05:11] <holstein> with alsa?
[05:11] <jerry_l> ohhh. laptop core duo 2ghz uses alsa and my P4 2.8s use OSS.
[05:12] <holstein> JACK will use whatever you tell it to
[05:12] <jerry_l> i dont have the stealth plug connected right now. that might be why it is alsa
[05:12] <holstein> jerry_l: it should use ALSA as well
[05:12] <holstein> you'll want to make several profiles then
[05:13] <holstein> for using an internal card or the ik plug
[05:13] <jerry_l> where do i go to make profiles?
[05:13] <holstein> *preset
[05:13] <holstein> thats what they are called
[05:13] <holstein> up at the top in the setup window
[05:14] <jerry_l> preset on Jack..?
[05:14] <holstein> yup
[05:14] <jerry_l> cool.
[05:14] <holstein> for example, i have on that uses my internal sound card on my studio machine
[05:14] <holstein> one with my firewire card that has 1.2ms latency
[05:14] <holstein> and another that has 80+ms latency
[05:15] <jerry_l> nice. was that firewwire 80ms
[05:15] <holstein> yeah, its just to relax it a bit
[05:15] <holstein> for plugins and whatever
[05:15] <jerry_l> what barnd does 1.2
[05:15] <jerry_l> brand..
[05:15] <holstein> brand?
[05:16] <holstein> i have a presonus firepod
[05:16] <holstein> but, lots of gear can get below 10ms
[05:16] <jerry_l> like $599.99
[05:16] <holstein> not really any need for most too though
[05:16] <holstein> jerry_l: i got my presonus firepod for $400 new
[05:16] <jerry_l> cool.
[05:16] <holstein> you can find them cheaper used now
[05:16] <jerry_l> stealth plug 99.99
[05:17] <jerry_l> are you using a firewire card or onboard firewire
[05:17] <holstein> both
[05:17] <holstein> i have a nice texax instruments onboard chip on a laptop
[05:18] <holstein> and a TI chip on a PCI card in the studio, and a TI express card too
[05:18] <jerry_l> mine is the dreaded intel problematic chipset.
[05:18] <holstein> firewire?
[05:18] <holstein> PCI cards are cheap and easy to find
[05:19] <holstein> i have a VIA chipset thats not bad either
[05:20] <jerry_l> i have a couple of the dell gx280 2.8ghz (no fire wire) and a custom computer.
[05:21] <jerry_l> i find the dell gx280s alot for 100.00 so i get an extra when i can, and if someone needs one there it is already. no need to hunt one down.
[05:23] <jerry_l> i gave my cousin a 1.8 p4 512mb 80gb with puredyne on it and told him i would be by to see what he has done.
[05:24] <holstein> jerry_l: theres a really nice newer live puredyne like distro
[05:24] <holstein> http://gnuguitarinux.sourceforge.net/
[05:25] <jerry_l> i am using the one with the knife on it, but have seen ones with a fishing background?
[05:26] <holstein> im not sure, i havent actually loaded it up
[05:26] <holstein> just heard it was great, and puredyne is dated
[05:28] <jerry_l> dwnld 90kbs. 472mb left.
[05:28] <holstein> yeah, its small-ish too
[05:28] <jerry_l> i think puredyne 700mb
[05:29] <jerry_l> i wish there was a puppy studio.
[05:29] <jerry_l> i love puppy.
[05:30] <holstein> jerry_l: actually, there is
[05:30] <holstein> lemme see if i can find the link...
[05:30] <jerry_l> windows vista 64 crashed on me, best thing that has ever happended to me.
[05:31] <jerry_l> i use like 4 thumb drives and with different puppy set ups on them and my 250gb as storage.
[05:31] <holstein> http://www.livedistro.org/gnulinux/puppy-studio-31
[05:33] <jerry_l> yeah,,,clicking.
[05:33] <jerry_l> wow i am in love. downloading.....
[05:34] <jerry_l> Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying  to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
[05:35] <holstein> hmmm
[05:35] <jerry_l> tried before and could not get it. even tried loooking for torrents.
[05:35] <jerry_l> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable  to complete your request.
[05:35] <holstein> yeah
[05:36] <holstein> i hope i can find the ISO somewhere
[05:36] <holstein> i DL'd it
[05:37] <holstein> jerry_l: ok
[05:37] <holstein> http://xn--mns-ula.dk/PS/PuppyStudio3.3-rt.iso
[05:38] <jerry_l> you are so my hero.
[05:39] <jerry_l> does ".dk" mean another language?
[05:39] <holstein> maybe*
[05:39] <holstein> 3.3 is newer than the one i DL'd though
[05:40] <jerry_l> @37.7kbs of 377mb.
[05:41] <jerry_l> do you run live or installed?
[05:42] <jerry_l> the cd seems to take alot longer to start up. but then is there a trade off of running from RAM?
[05:43] <holstein> i just use ubuntustudio
[05:43] <holstein> but, i like having these live CD's with JACK and an RT kernel
[05:43] <holstein> to test hardware
[05:43] <holstein> *since ubuntustudio is not a live installer yet
[05:44] <jerry_l> i thought ubuntustudio installed to the harddrive?
[05:45] <holstein> right
[05:45] <holstein> we dont have a live CD yet
[05:45] <holstein> we are talking about implementing that for 12.4
[05:45] <holstein> 12.04*
[05:45] <jerry_l> cause i was thinking i had it installed..?
[05:46] <holstein> i just have ubuntustudio here
[05:46] <holstein> OR ubuntu installed with studio pacakges
[05:47] <jerry_l> if my cousin impresses me with what he could do in a week of puredyne, i was going to give him a dell 2.8ghz 1gb 500gb ubuntu studio dell.
[05:48] <jerry_l> that would be tommarrow.
[05:51] <jerry_l> laptop latency 46ms. owww.
[05:51] <jerry_l> core duo 64bit.
[05:51] <holstein> its got a lot to do with the sound devices too
[05:51] <holstein> and maybe kernel*
[05:51] <holstein> its less to do with the kernel these days
[05:51] <holstein> debian doesnt have a realtime kernel anymore
[05:52] <holstein> we wont be needing one at all, even for firewire, much longer
[05:53] <jerry_l> problematic intel soud device vt1708s Analog does not play well with intel chipset in linux. but it does function.
[05:54] <jerry_l> changed the frames to 256 and the latency droped to 11.6ms.
[05:55] <jerry_l> what is meant by realtime kernel?
[05:56] <holstein> well, you dont want to do audio with an internal card anyways
[05:56] <jerry_l> and i thought firewire used 1% processor compared to USB 11%.
[05:56] <holstein> its so easy and affordable to get something like that plug you have
[05:56] <holstein> or something maudio with a preamp
[05:56] <jerry_l> true.
[05:57] <holstein> realtime kernels give me lower latency
[05:57] <jerry_l> i have a MBOX mini also
[05:57] <holstein> for particulars, youd have to look it up
[05:57] <holstein> most of these patches are getting adopted into the generic kernel though
[05:57] <holstein> AFAIK
[05:58] <jerry_l> 2:39:11 left until puppy arrives.
[06:03] <jerry_l> holstein thank you very much for your help. i am going to change the latency on the computers and see how they do. and if its not enough then jack net?
[06:04] <holstein> nah
[06:04] <holstein> thats not really going to help
[06:04] <holstein> try #opensourcemusicians and/or #ardour if you dont want to spend some money
[06:04] <jerry_l> ?
[06:04] <holstein> its not the computer speed
[06:04] <jerry_l> true
[06:04] <holstein> you can get lower latency on a slowermachine
[06:05] <jerry_l> like a 1ghz?
[06:05] <holstein> sure
[06:05] <holstein> ive ran dynebolic on an 800mhz p3 with 256 or ram
[06:06] <holstein> got under 20ms with simple tasks
[06:06] <holstein> anyways, you are experiencing latency for suer
[06:06] <holstein> sure*
[06:06] <holstein> you have options
[06:06] <jerry_l> i think i have a dynebolic iso but puredyne was working pretty well.
[06:07] <holstein> db is old
[06:07] <holstein> you dont want that
[06:07] <holstein> im just saying
[06:07] <holstein> you have plenty of computer for what you are trying to do
[06:07] <jerry_l> thankx.
[06:07] <holstein> sure
[06:07] <holstein> experiment with the latency, and if not
[06:08] <holstein> come back and we'll try something else :)
[06:08] <holstein> good luck
[06:08]  * holstein is getting horizontal... GN
[06:09] <jerry_l> thanks its midnight and i have to work on my truck in the morning.
[06:13] <jerry_l> signing off. to test a few minutes before bed. thankx.