[04:53] hello room. [04:53] jerry_l: o/ [04:53] anyone know about syncing computers for recording? [04:54] sure [04:54] jerry_l: what do you have in mind? [04:54] jacktrip or netjack is an easy way to share machines [04:54] you can get decent latency between machine on a local network too [04:55] i used to have a few P4's netjack'd [04:55] i want to use 1 ubuntu studio for play back and another for a live line in and the recording the audio from the other machine. [04:55] i called it the 'poormans dual-core' ;) [04:56] i have a lot of P4 2.8ghz computers but only 1 core duo laptop. so i want to try the computers. [04:57] well, just so you know [04:57] ubuntustudio = ubuntu [04:57] you dont have to or need to install ubuntustudio to do what you are trying to do [04:57] and depending on your situation [04:57] JACK might be overkill [04:57] there are lots of things in pulse that i havent tried [04:57] overkill? [04:58] overkill, like too much [04:58] JACK is not trivial [04:58] if you havent used it [04:58] SO, you want on machine playing something [04:58] and another recording that sound, and a mic? [04:59] you can use JACK on one machine for this kind of thing [04:59] probably pulse too* [04:59] im not sure you need multiple boxes [04:59] audio is acutally relatively light on resources still [04:59] unless you have 16 tracks and all kinds of plugins* [05:00] when i record a guitar track then, set for playback, 2- enable next track for bass , play and record everything sounds great while recording and then end. and play back all and it will be a shred out of sync. [05:00] jerry_l: what are you using? [05:00] audacity? [05:01] what you have is called latency [05:01] JACK is helpful with that [05:01] ardour and jack (1?) [05:01] and ardour is supposed to correct for that [05:01] hmmm [05:01] jerry_l: have you asked in #ardour? [05:01] its really supposed to correct for latency AFAIK [05:02] let me reffer you to #opensourcemusicians as well [05:02] jerry_l: you can always tweak your jack settings [05:02] for lower latency [05:02] i cant find the ardour room yet on freenode. for some reason all of my saved channels are gone. pdgin. [05:02] its just #ardour [05:03] jerry_l: what is the latency reporting in setup in jackcontrol ? [05:03] 23ms or so? [05:03] i find anywhere near 10ms is tolerable [05:03] i dont recall... [05:03] i have a mixing profile and a tracking profile [05:03] as well as others* [05:03] 10ms.. writing it down. [05:03] in 'setup' under jackcontrol [05:04] the settings in the midder [05:04] middle* [05:04] let me turn on my laptop and look at the settings. [05:04] frames/period and periods/buffer [05:04] thats are the ones you want to tweak [05:04] frames/period ? is how fast the line moves across screen? [05:05] well, dont think screen [05:05] its all about the time it takes the computer to process data [05:05] and im not sure about the particulars [05:05] i just know you can go too low and it wont work [05:05] jack window up.. [05:05] or you'll get xruns* [05:06] clicked setup. [05:06] right [05:06] in the midder [05:06] frames= 1024 [05:06] middle* [05:06] set frames/period to 256 [05:06] periods = 2 [05:06] and periods/buffer to 2 [05:06] and try starting jack again [05:06] see if if complains [05:06] start delay 2 secs? [05:06] doesnt matter* [05:07] leave the rest [05:07] cool. [05:07] the start delay wont effect latency [05:07] driver alsa? dosnt ardour use oss? [05:08] ardour is using JACK [05:08] and jack can use whatever [05:08] but ALSA is what you want if thats what was working before [05:08] freebob is the old firewire driver [05:08] firewire is the new one [05:08] FFADO* [05:08] thats the one i use [05:09] jerry_l: you have an internal sound card? [05:09] ALSA is what you want [05:09] and, JACK might not start at this setting for an internal card [05:09] but, you just raise the frames/period [05:09] til it can start [05:09] i have a 1 TB western digital external USB think that might work for recording and playback of less than 4 streams.? [05:10] sure [05:10] i have a Stealth Plug from IKmedia [05:11] interesting... that 'just works' with JACK? [05:11] with alsa? [05:11] ohhh. laptop core duo 2ghz uses alsa and my P4 2.8s use OSS. [05:12] JACK will use whatever you tell it to [05:12] i dont have the stealth plug connected right now. that might be why it is alsa [05:12] jerry_l: it should use ALSA as well [05:12] you'll want to make several profiles then [05:13] for using an internal card or the ik plug [05:13] where do i go to make profiles? [05:13] *preset [05:13] thats what they are called [05:13] up at the top in the setup window [05:14] preset on Jack..? [05:14] yup [05:14] cool. [05:14] for example, i have on that uses my internal sound card on my studio machine [05:14] one with my firewire card that has 1.2ms latency [05:14] and another that has 80+ms latency [05:15] nice. was that firewwire 80ms [05:15] yeah, its just to relax it a bit [05:15] for plugins and whatever [05:15] what barnd does 1.2 [05:15] brand.. [05:15] brand? [05:16] i have a presonus firepod [05:16] but, lots of gear can get below 10ms [05:16] like $599.99 [05:16] not really any need for most too though [05:16] jerry_l: i got my presonus firepod for $400 new [05:16] cool. [05:16] you can find them cheaper used now [05:16] stealth plug 99.99 [05:17] are you using a firewire card or onboard firewire [05:17] both [05:17] i have a nice texax instruments onboard chip on a laptop [05:18] and a TI chip on a PCI card in the studio, and a TI express card too [05:18] mine is the dreaded intel problematic chipset. [05:18] firewire? [05:18] PCI cards are cheap and easy to find [05:19] i have a VIA chipset thats not bad either [05:20] i have a couple of the dell gx280 2.8ghz (no fire wire) and a custom computer. [05:21] i find the dell gx280s alot for 100.00 so i get an extra when i can, and if someone needs one there it is already. no need to hunt one down. [05:23] i gave my cousin a 1.8 p4 512mb 80gb with puredyne on it and told him i would be by to see what he has done. [05:24] jerry_l: theres a really nice newer live puredyne like distro [05:24] http://gnuguitarinux.sourceforge.net/ [05:25] i am using the one with the knife on it, but have seen ones with a fishing background? [05:26] im not sure, i havent actually loaded it up [05:26] just heard it was great, and puredyne is dated [05:28] dwnld 90kbs. 472mb left. [05:28] yeah, its small-ish too [05:28] i think puredyne 700mb [05:29] i wish there was a puppy studio. [05:29] i love puppy. [05:30] jerry_l: actually, there is [05:30] lemme see if i can find the link... [05:30] windows vista 64 crashed on me, best thing that has ever happended to me. [05:31] i use like 4 thumb drives and with different puppy set ups on them and my 250gb as storage. [05:31] http://www.livedistro.org/gnulinux/puppy-studio-31 [05:33] yeah,,,clicking. [05:33] wow i am in love. downloading..... [05:34] Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. [05:35] hmmm [05:35] tried before and could not get it. even tried loooking for torrents. [05:35] The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. [05:35] yeah [05:36] i hope i can find the ISO somewhere [05:36] i DL'd it [05:37] jerry_l: ok [05:37] http://xn--mns-ula.dk/PS/PuppyStudio3.3-rt.iso [05:38] you are so my hero. [05:39] does ".dk" mean another language? [05:39] maybe* [05:39] 3.3 is newer than the one i DL'd though [05:40] @37.7kbs of 377mb. [05:41] do you run live or installed? [05:42] the cd seems to take alot longer to start up. but then is there a trade off of running from RAM? [05:43] i just use ubuntustudio [05:43] but, i like having these live CD's with JACK and an RT kernel [05:43] to test hardware [05:43] *since ubuntustudio is not a live installer yet [05:44] i thought ubuntustudio installed to the harddrive? [05:45] right [05:45] we dont have a live CD yet [05:45] we are talking about implementing that for 12.4 [05:45] 12.04* [05:45] cause i was thinking i had it installed..? [05:46] i just have ubuntustudio here [05:46] OR ubuntu installed with studio pacakges [05:47] if my cousin impresses me with what he could do in a week of puredyne, i was going to give him a dell 2.8ghz 1gb 500gb ubuntu studio dell. [05:48] that would be tommarrow. [05:51] laptop latency 46ms. owww. [05:51] core duo 64bit. [05:51] its got a lot to do with the sound devices too [05:51] and maybe kernel* [05:51] its less to do with the kernel these days [05:51] debian doesnt have a realtime kernel anymore [05:52] we wont be needing one at all, even for firewire, much longer [05:53] problematic intel soud device vt1708s Analog does not play well with intel chipset in linux. but it does function. [05:54] changed the frames to 256 and the latency droped to 11.6ms. [05:55] what is meant by realtime kernel? [05:56] well, you dont want to do audio with an internal card anyways [05:56] and i thought firewire used 1% processor compared to USB 11%. [05:56] its so easy and affordable to get something like that plug you have [05:56] or something maudio with a preamp [05:56] true. [05:57] realtime kernels give me lower latency [05:57] i have a MBOX mini also [05:57] for particulars, youd have to look it up [05:57] most of these patches are getting adopted into the generic kernel though [05:57] AFAIK [05:58] 2:39:11 left until puppy arrives. [06:03] holstein thank you very much for your help. i am going to change the latency on the computers and see how they do. and if its not enough then jack net? [06:04] nah [06:04] thats not really going to help [06:04] try #opensourcemusicians and/or #ardour if you dont want to spend some money [06:04] ? [06:04] its not the computer speed [06:04] true [06:04] you can get lower latency on a slowermachine [06:05] like a 1ghz? [06:05] sure [06:05] ive ran dynebolic on an 800mhz p3 with 256 or ram [06:06] got under 20ms with simple tasks [06:06] anyways, you are experiencing latency for suer [06:06] sure* [06:06] you have options [06:06] i think i have a dynebolic iso but puredyne was working pretty well. [06:07] db is old [06:07] you dont want that [06:07] im just saying [06:07] you have plenty of computer for what you are trying to do [06:07] thankx. [06:07] sure [06:07] experiment with the latency, and if not [06:08] come back and we'll try something else :) [06:08] good luck [06:08] * holstein is getting horizontal... GN [06:09] thanks its midnight and i have to work on my truck in the morning. [06:13] signing off. to test a few minutes before bed. thankx. === rexbron_ is now known as rexbron