[00:01] unity is buggy as hell anyway [00:02] i literally just got compiz running myself XD [00:16] :D so you saw it was pretty easy to run compiz on xubuntu rite Dizkonnekted :D [00:17] Soupermanito: its not as straight forward as running it in Ubuntu for example, but once you devote a lil time poking around it seems to run fine! [00:20] Soupermanito: the fonts now look really ugly (compared to the default Xubuntu ones), you know of a fix for that? [00:22] not really, i dont use compiz, but i guess its on the ccsm part of general configurations [00:34] sadly not, guess I will have to continue poking around! :P [01:10] guys [01:10] how do i format an SD card [01:11] Cube``: can you see the card in gparted? [01:12] Or sudo fdisk -l [01:17] that would work to.. :) [01:42] ye thx guys === dhfhsdfh is now known as m00se [02:35] Help. Just installed 11.04, when I brought it up it works fine. After a few power ons I lost window decorations. OK, so I nuke my entire /home directory and start from scratch thinking something's poisoning it. Fixed the problem. A few power ons and it begins happening again. No window decorations. Saw an old post that recommended starting metacity in this case, how can I fix this or even temporarily fix this? [02:35] sup [02:35] !ops [02:35] ops is HELP! gnomefreak, tonyyarusso, PuMpErNiCkLe, maxamillion, TheSheep, crimsun, mrpouit, Myrtti, PriceChild charlie-tca or cody-somerville [02:35] !staff [02:35] hey Christel, Dave2, Gary, KB1JWQ, Levia, Martinp23, SportsChick, VorTechS, jayne, jenda, marienz, nalioth, niko, nhandler, rob, stew or tomaw, I could use a bit of your time :) [02:35] !ops [02:36] !staff [02:40] elky: He did the same in #lubuntu [02:40] Unit193, i don't think I have any access there sadly [02:41] I guess that bot isn't setup with those triggers! === dhfhsdfh is now known as `mOOse` === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === dskskldsw is now known as `mOOse` === dhfhsdfh is now known as m00se === m00se is now known as `mOOse` === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === ke_ is now known as ke- === dhfhsdfh is now known as m00se === m00se is now known as Guest9367 [08:40] ciao [08:40] ci sono italiani? [08:41] there are italians? [08:41] I have a problem for install xubuntu in a old pc [09:41] haloo anyone> [09:43] !hi [09:43] Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay! [09:43] xubuntu559: describe your problem [09:44] how there is no batter applet on xubuntu :) [09:44] and if it does have one how to add the battery applete/indicator :) [09:48] you mean battery? [09:48] !info xfce4-battery-plugin [09:48] xfce4-battery-plugin (source: xfce4-battery-plugin): battery monitor plugin for the Xfce4 panel. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0-1ubuntu1 (natty), package size 63 kB, installed size 664 kB (Only available for linux-any kfreebsd-i386) [09:48] Atari-Teenage-Ri: install that ^ and add it to your panel [09:50] yesh [09:50] :) [09:51] !info xfce4-battery-plugin [09:51] xfce4-battery-plugin (source: xfce4-battery-plugin): battery monitor plugin for the Xfce4 panel. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0-1ubuntu1 (natty), package size 63 kB, installed size 664 kB (Only available for linux-any kfreebsd-i386) [09:58] one thing sir. how to install it. i'm newbie .. [11:07] alt+f2 shortcuts to xfrun4, can i configure alt+f1 to shortcut to terminal? [11:52] xfce4 power management problem after update. no battery indi <--- how to fix this [11:54] PrimalScream: maybe the power management settings were changed? Settings --> Settings Manager --> Power management === Sterist_ is now known as Sterist [11:57] its look like this. the batteri indicator is still there .. but the image @ka icon of the battery is seem disappear [12:36] hi all [12:36] how is your xubuntu? [12:36] why do you choose xubuntu? [13:22] how to copy files to Desktop folder in xubuntu? [13:27] drag and drop, copy and paste [13:29] Isn't it ctrl+drag and drop? [13:32] i'm not sure, i never use the desktop [14:06] copy / paste, dragging and dropping works fine [14:11] Dizkonnekted, I cannot copy [14:11] ouyes: what or where is the source file your trying to copy? [14:12] Dizkonnekted, I try to copy something in my Downloads to Desktop [14:13] Dizkonnekted, when I go to Desktop folder and click the right button of mouser, the paste option is in grey color [14:13] right click on the file, copy, then go to your desktop and click paste, or is paste greyed out? [14:13] aha, try opening the desktop folder and pasting there instead, does that work? [14:15] i am not sure why, but i have the same problem, i have to open the desktop folder to paste, instead of directly pasting onto the desktop [14:16] right click on the file, copy, then go to your desktop and click paste, or is paste greyed out yes [14:16] Dizkonnekted, the same problem [14:16] i have compiz enabled and i have turned off the showing of icons (drives etc) in my options [14:17] *desktop options, sorry [14:17] ouyes: yeah, as a workaround, open your desktop folder and paste in there instead [14:17] Dizkonnekted, do you know how to change the shortcuts to go to desktop? now is ctrl+alt+d I want to change it to met+d [14:21] ouyes: try Settings editor, then xfce-keyboard-shortcuts? [14:21] you can add a custom command etc if i recall [14:22] window manager settings are other possibility [14:23] Dizkonnekted, Sysi but what is the command? [14:24] Dizkonnekted, Sysi the command for goto desktop and hidden all of the others [14:27] dunno, see if there's option to do that on window manager settings [14:27] i guess it's there, afaik there isn't "hidden" shortcuts [14:27] ouyes: i found it under the settings editor, the value is show_desktop_key [14:28] (keyboard shortcuts) [14:30] just change the keybinding to your liking [14:32] just change the keybinding to your liking? what do you mean [14:35] Dizkonnekted, yes I found it [14:35] awesome! :) [14:47] i have been using Xubuntu for 2 days now, and although it a lil 'quirky' im really liking it so far! :) [14:50] yes, i have to say, ubuntu/xubuntu etc. really improved [14:50] the last time i gave ubuntu a chance, there haven't been any useful WLAN-drivers for my computer and flash really sucked [14:51] but now i can't find anything to complain about so far [14:55] ive been using ubuntu for a few years, but with 11.04 came damn unity, i hate it!! lol [14:56] Unity is not for everyone, anymore than Xubuntu is for everyone [14:56] but it really is a great concept for the new user of non-microsoft software [14:59] i dont agree, its a horrible interface to throw at a new user, especially given that its so buggy and inconsistent right now, it just gives a bad impression imho [15:01] The little bit I used it I never saw any major issues. It seemed easy to navigate, although unusual after using a classic session for years [15:02] i know right, and to have it enabled by default just seems wrong to me also [15:03] New users have to re-learn a new desktop environment anyway, so it doesn't matter if it is classic or completely new to those accustomed to classic [15:03] It is still something brand new for those transferring from Windows [15:06] thats true, and i dont mind change at all, its why i am now using Xubuntu! :) === TSM is now known as ThE-MaGiCiaN === ThE-MaGiCiaN is now known as ThE_MaGiCiaN === jwkokc is now known as jk_ === dhfhsdfh is now known as m00se === m00se is now known as Guest82845 [18:19] Everytime I open thunar it opens twice. Why? [18:22] opening it how, or does it happen just always? [18:23] bin_bash: Check the Preferences>Behavior...single vs double click [18:30] drc, it happens when I open it in the terminal as well [18:30] It /always/ happens [18:30] it takes a while to load too, and then opens 2 windows [18:30] bin_bash: Always check the obvious first :) [18:30] drc, understandable ;) [18:31] I actually thought that was my problem at first [18:31] how long it's been that way? [18:31] It's really madening to spend hours debugging something only to find out it was something obvious. [18:31] But entering a command once in a terminal shouldn't open a window twice [18:31] Sysi, forever? [18:31] i don't know, you're the one having it [18:32] drc, oh trust me. I've had nothing but problems with this system ever since I updated a couple weeks ago [18:32] it freezes up ALL the time [18:32] Yesterday my cursor stopped working. I had to drop into the CLI, and kill xorg [18:32] then when i got back in [18:32] I had to restart xfwm4 [18:32] and then weird stuff stopped working and I had to reboot [18:33] version upgrades break things [18:33] bin_bash: Maybe http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/11/how-to-solve-the-thunar-opening-twice-problem/ will help? [18:33] Sysi, not a version upgrade... just a system update through synaptic [18:33] I'm thinking of reinstalling [18:33] and never upgrading anything ever [18:36] bin_bash, what is your ram amount? [18:36] 4gigs [18:37] Whoa checkout dese errors when i open thunar [18:37] lol [18:37] https://pastee.org/g8hea [18:37] bin_bash, are the problems associated with running a lot of apps or a lot of tabs open in a browser especiallt chromium? [18:38] nit-wit, define:a lot [18:38] is 4 apps a lot? [18:38] well 5 technically [18:39] bin_bash, depends which one install a cpu ram monitor like conky so you can see what is actually going on. [18:39] I have conky [18:39] Right now I'm running 5 programs and I'm only using 6% of my CPUT [18:39] s/T// [18:39] do you see spikes when these things happen and is the conky set to show processes and memeory use if actual apps using. [18:40] nit-wit, not always [18:40] And I use top for that [18:41] bin_bash, I had a problem and still do with vlc making the memory go to the roof and freezing te desktop . [18:41] yeah I'm running pidgin, xchat, skype, terminal, and FF [18:41] When I do video calls on skype the entire desktop freezes and I can't even drop into a CLI ti kill it [18:41] I can only hardboot [18:42] propietary software.. [18:43] bin_bash, try the skype all by itself and watch the ram a cpu use, I have never used skype but I suspect it uses a lot of cpu and ram. [18:43] yeah but this only happened since doing an update through synaptic [18:43] nit-wit, when skype uses cpu i just kill it [18:43] the system freezes without any warning [18:43] bin_bash, look in the history in synaptic [18:44] what am i looking for [18:44] bin_bash, what ecer was installed that might be causing your problems. [18:44] *ever [18:45] nit-wit, that's the problem... I have NO idea [18:47] bin_bash, you have said that you had no problems until the last update in synaptic. Is it that you have no idea because you don't know what the upgraded stuff do in general? [18:47] I think pulseaudio might be the problem [18:47] brb [18:47] ok === dhfhsdfh is now known as m00se === m00se is now known as Guest17126 [18:55] bin_bash, is this a 32 or 64 bit setup and is the full amount of ram showing? [18:56] 32 [18:56] yes [18:56] well it shows 3.83 [18:56] here i'll screenshot for you [19:02] nit-wit, http://imgur.com/u6W4s [19:05] bin_bash, hard to say i guess I know the processes I would go through is finding the culprit That is a lot of memory for a idling set up.. [19:07] nit-wit, FF is using 10% because I have like 40 tabs open [19:07] the freezes occur usually when doing something that is graphicallyt axing [19:07] like playing a streaming video full screen [19:07] or doing a video conference [19:07] it's really interesting because the sound goes into an infinite loop [19:08] which makes me wonder if pulseaudio is the culprit [19:08] bin_bash, there is part of your problem I suspect, cut back a little on your personal needs at having to actually click a app to open a close it. Your cause and effect is flawed. [19:09] *with having [19:09] what? [19:10] I'm confused [19:10] bin_bash, I would suspect your just trying to use to much at one time for ease of travel, the point is maybe your needs are beyond the computers capacity. It doesn't reason but tries to keep up with your commands on what to do. [19:11] I never had this problem before though [19:11] Like, it just started recently [19:11] Also it's not like I don't have the RAM or processing power available [19:11] It's a 2.3 i5 [19:12] bin_bash, and there is a actual real casue and effect, that is whay I suggested the synaptivc updates, is there a pulse audio update there/ [19:12] nit-wit, I looked [19:12] there's nothing there except that I reinstalled lib6 the other day [19:12] and installing desktopnova yestersay [19:13] bin_bash, this is a circular argument supported by conjecture good luck. [19:14] lol [19:14] I'm telling you. I looked in synaptic and the history is almost completely empty [19:14] Lucid hangs during boot saying"ppp0: error fetching interface information: Device not found [19:15] lol to you as your the user in this situation using others to help you, free help at that FO. [19:15] hemad [19:15] user0_, is this a new problem or a recurring one? [19:16] bin_bash, recurring one [19:17] bin_bash, Sometimes it happens .....& sometimes it boots fine [19:17] hmmm [19:17] what are you using to connect to the internet [19:18] bin_bash, A D-Link ADSL router in bridged mode ......using nm-applet to configure the dsl connection [19:18] okay [19:18] is it wired to the computer or are you trying to connect wirelessly [19:18] bin_bash, Wired [19:19] okay [19:19] try disconnecting it and then rebooting [19:19] bin_bash, Its not connected at the moment [19:19] ok [19:19] oh [19:19] that's probably the problem [19:19] try reconecting it and then restarting [19:19] and if it reoccurs let me know [19:19] bin_bash, Done that ...same thing [19:20] hmmm [19:20] okay. give me a minute [19:20] hey Soupermanito [19:20] bin_bash, Sure [19:20] Maybe you can help me troubleshoot user0_'s issue [19:20] :) [19:20] will try [19:21] tell me about it user0_ [19:21] he's getting this on boot [19:21] ppp0: error fetching interface information: Device not found [19:21] both with and without his modem connected [19:22] did he tried reconfiguring pppeoconf? [19:22] he can't boot [19:22] D: [19:22] it hangs on boot [19:22] yeah =/. [19:22] thats floping weird [19:22] right? [19:22] Soupermanito, & using nm-applet to configure the dsl connection [19:22] bin_bash, Yes [19:23] user0_, let me do some research on your problem [19:23] Soupermanito, Okay [19:28] user0_, its an usb modem? [19:29] Soupermanito, No ...Ethernet [19:29] user0_, its an integrated ethernet port? or a pci card? [19:29] Soupermanito, Integrated [19:30] mmkay, can you edit your BIOS so it will disable the ethernet conection? [19:30] Soupermanito, Yes ....You want me to do that? [19:31] something other can prevent booting, that could be just last visible message [19:31] i want to know if you can boot your computer whitout it, to know if its something broken [19:31] Soupermanito, Okay trying to disable it ....... [19:31] if you can boot whitout the ethernet port enabled then you could edit your options from inside the system [19:33] Soupermanito has more experience than I. Glad he came in when he did, as my googling didn't yield much lol [19:33] :D awesome i know stuff now [19:33] also im a librarian, my forte is to search stuff [19:34] Soupermanito, Well ..I saw the same message again ...but this time I have reached the login screen [19:34] :D [19:34] thats good rite? [19:35] Soupermanito, Right [19:35] Soupermanito, So...my integrated Lan has gone bad? [19:35] now you can do pppoeconf and edit it, it will say you dont have an ethernet card but you wont want it to find, just a new pppoeconf that says nothing [19:35] and reboot [19:35] hey, whats the name of that GUI (its a gnome based app)... that sets up VNC server? It's usually in sys admin, you click it, and it lets you set up a password to allow access, etc . === Guest17126 is now known as m00se [19:35] enable the ethernet and try again, if it fails then i recomend you to buy a cheap pci ethenrnet card [19:35] network manager? [19:36] no, not network manager [19:36] Soupermanito, Yes what about the aleady configured connection in NM? [19:36] NM? [19:36] Soupermanito, Network Manager [19:37] delete it bro [19:37] ^ [19:37] Soupermanito, Roger [19:38] Soupermanito, Now the Delete is greyed out [19:38] well, you do disabled the ethernet port [19:39] Soupermanito, Yes I did that [19:39] go to a terminal and do sudo pppoeconf [19:40] then try it again [19:40] Soupermanito, It says "Sorry no working ethernet card could be found" [19:41] hmmm [19:41] Do you use proprietary drivers? [19:42] bin_bash, No [19:42] ok [19:42] maybe you should try updating the drivers anyway? [19:42] how could he whitout internets bin_bash ? [19:42] bin_bash, I always install update as I receive them [19:42] *facepalm* [19:43] I forgot about that [19:43] Sorry. I'm a little special today I suppose [19:43] well user0_ you could move away the file /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf file and try again [19:44] or rename it like .old or something [19:44] Soupermanito, move the /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf ...then sudo pppoeconf again ? [19:45] no, it wont work because you dont have an ethernet conection [19:46] Soupermanito, So .....then move it.....restart ...goto bios....eenable the lan ...& try to boot [19:46] just re-enable it, and try again whitout a pppoe.conf file, so it wont try to start it on boot [19:46] :D [19:46] yes, its like an option [19:46] Soupermanito, Trying that [19:48] Soupermanito, There is no such file as pppoe.conf in that location ..... [19:48] Soupermanito, May be because I never used pppoeconf to configure the connection [19:49] true [19:49] mmm let me find out where NM stores its options [19:50] hello, does anyone know how to make xlock work for user without password ? [19:50] Soupermanito, Sure [19:50] rom1504, what do you mean "make it work" [19:51] i mean that if you use xlock with an user without password then you can't get back in the session : it doesn't accept a blank password [19:52] ( it says "assuming null password means cancel" ) [19:53] hm [19:53] this probably isn't the answer your looking for... but why not assign a password? [19:54] user0_, inside your /home/you/ there is a folder called .gconf? and .gconfd? try moving them away to a BACKUP folder [19:54] Soupermanito, Doing that now [19:54] that should do the trick, you wont have any net configurations after that [19:56] Soupermanito, Done.........Now restart ...goto bios....eenable the lan ...& try to boot ? [19:56] :) [19:56] yes [19:56] Soupermanito, Okay [19:57] bin_bash because that's not needed, because the users i am setting up ubuntu for don't want one... it should be possible to do it [19:59] Soupermanito, I am in .....Now ? [19:59] now do pppoeconf [19:59] Soupermanito, Okay [19:59] or network manager, i like pppoeconf more XD [20:01] though you should configure your modem to autoconect to the internets by itself [20:01] rom1504, did you try googling? [20:02] Soupermanito, I dont have a switch .... I can connect only 1 PC to the modem/router at a time .......So if I unplug the RJ-45 from this box I will be disconnected from #xubuntu [20:02] Soupermanito, Okay? [20:03] Soupermanito, I will come back to confirma what happens [20:03] mmm, well try it and comeback later :D it should be pretty straight foward if all works correctly [20:03] user0_, suerte :) [20:03] Soupermanito, Okay [20:05] yes, i tried, i found this http://mandriva.598463.n5.nabble.com/Bug-23481-xlockmore-NEW-Impossible-to-unlock-a-gnome-session-with-a-user-without-password-td619712.html that may be related, but there is no solution, so... ( and i found about nothing else on google... ) [20:07] bin_bash: what happened, did your irc server hiccup? [20:08] KM0201, are you trying to connect to singularity [20:08] huh? [20:08] considering i don't know what singularity is, i doubt it. [20:08] lol [20:09] D: KM0201 the singularity is coming [20:09] not today, today is rupture day, but someday [20:09] :P KM0201 the network is up but my server isn't [20:09] lol [20:09] well, it let me on now. === user0 is now known as Guest64822 [20:11] Soupermanito, bin_bash Success !!! Thank you [20:11] :D [20:11] :) [20:11] glad it worked! [20:11] !yay | Guest64822 [20:11] Guest64822: Glad you made it! :-) [20:12] now, the proff of fire, reboot and things work properly [20:12] Soupermanito, Yes I did that & no worries [20:13] Soupermanito, Bye [20:13] :D awesome, glad i helped whit you problem Guest64822 [20:13] I wish my system didn't freeze all the time :( [20:14] :( make your /swap bigger [20:14] XD [20:14] i have like a 4gig swap partition [20:15] xorg is evil [20:15] xorg IS evil [20:15] Sysi, nitwit got mad at me because I told him I wasn't going to stop using my computer the way I wanted and also that synaptic had no history [20:16] so he ragequit [20:17] if my new MBP ran linux i could benchmark that sandy bridge.. [20:17] you have a new mbp too? [20:17] got it today [20:18] dude [20:18] which one [20:18] 13" [20:18] i5 or i7? [20:18] i5 [20:18] dude [20:18] we're twinsies [20:19] install xubuntu and tell me if your shit crashes all the time too [20:19] i'm going de put " " for the password i think but this problem mean that it is not possible to make user without password [20:20] well you shouldn't ever have a user without a password [20:20] that's ridiculous [20:20] why would you do that? [20:20] "nitwit got mad at me because I told him I wasn't going to stop using my computer the way I wanted" [20:20] ^ [20:20] trufax, drc [20:22] the question is more: why would you always put a password ? it's like having to open every room of a house with a key... [20:24] you can choose to autolong [20:24] autologin* [20:25] rom1504: because it's secure [20:26] having no passwd is like having no locks [20:26] ^ [20:27] wtfamireading.jpg [20:27] rom1504: It's more like having to use a key/password to get into the house, but most rooms are open after that, except those rooms where you keep the the guns, gold, or whatever you have that's important/dangerous. [20:28] rom1504, why xlock and not xscreensaver? it wont ask for password [20:29] the whole point of xlock is LOCKING the system [20:30] yeah, that what im saying, he wants xlock whitout password i mean, he wants xscreensaver [20:30] maybe but then how do you change of session without using xlock ? [20:30] by logging out? [20:30] log out? [20:30] no but without logging out [20:30] :/ [20:31] well [20:31] give your users a simple password, then, like 1234 and be it === dhfhsdfh is now known as m00se [20:31] you can drop down to the CLI and then use that to login to another account [20:31] yes that what i did [20:31] and then restart x [20:32] i would i prefered to put no password, but it'll do [20:32] that just doesn't make sense [20:33] i agree whit bin_bash here, i just don't understand your logic, you want multiple users but no paswords between them [20:33] yeah well most users à windows don't make sense then [20:33] Windows is stupid [20:33] ^ [20:33] second [20:33] (most people don't put password on windows) [20:33] windows is an insecure OS [20:33] Your logic is flawed [20:34] !next [20:34] :° [20:34] awww no !next command [20:34] (i autologon on linux) (that doesnt mean i dont have a password to protect my system) [20:34] ^ [20:34] If you don't have a password set then you can't do anykind of administrative actions. [20:35] bin_bash: remember to be polite [20:35] I'm sorry. I'm trying. [20:35] D: imagine that! rm -rf / ! [20:35] no but my account have a password and i can use it to setup thing and stuff but the other users don't need to [20:35] Soupermanito, that's what my bg is LOL [20:35]