[00:24] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, i am now for a moment
[04:52] <ApOgEE> hi all
[10:56] <virgo> hi, when i have one folder open i cant open home directory by clicking the home icon on top left
[10:57] <coalwater> virgo, what does it do then?
[10:59] <virgo> it will open the directory window that was home directory before i moved to another folder in that window
[10:59] <virgo> so i cant open 2 directory windows with this home directory button
[10:59] <virgo> it does not recognize that i have moved away from the home directory location in that window
[11:04] <coalwater> what do u mean u moved the home
[11:05] <virgo> i mean when the home directory opens in window
[11:05] <virgo> i go to other location inside that window
[11:05] <coalwater> it opens the new location in a separate window?
[11:05] <virgo> but ubuntu still thinks that this is home directory window and doesnt open another
[11:06] <virgo> it would be good if ubuntu opens new window every time i click the home directory icon
[11:07] <virgo> but it just activates the window it opened for me at the first time i clicked the icon
[11:09] <coalwater> ok let me get this straight, u open nautilus, open few folders, and then click home and u want it to open a new home in a new window, (for file moving/copying i presume?)
[11:14] <virgo> yes
[11:15] <virgo> nautilus is the file/folder explorer program?
[11:17] <virgo> well, i guess it should do like it does, but i just dont like it
[12:25] <coalwater> virgo, u still here?
[12:25] <coalwater> sorry i kinda got distracted by work
[12:25] <coalwater> i have two ways to help you if you're still here
[12:38] <virgo> i am
[12:39] <virgo> well, i have to afk most of the time atm
[12:39] <virgo> but you can say, what you have in mind
[12:40] <virgo> i guess one solution would be to make 2 shortcuts to open 2 folders
[12:46] <coalwater> virgo, first, it would really help if you say the the name of the person who you're talking to, it gives me a notification, and ok, first way you could try pressing ctrl+
[12:46] <coalwater> ctrl+N , sorry pressed enter by mistake
[12:46] <coalwater> it opens a new window and in the home by default
[12:47] <coalwater> second way ( the way i prefer more ) you press F3, it splits the window to 2 panes, and u can navigate each separately, and open tabs in each , i do that a lot especially when one pane is local and the other is remote (FTP or SFTP)
[13:07] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, That F3 is great! I never knew that and I've been using Ubuntu since Gutsy. Is there somewhere that lists all function key bindings as well as other key combinations?
[13:08] <coalwater> Sidewinder1, i don't really remember how i found out about it, but it's in the view menu, called extra pane
[13:10] <coalwater> Sidewinder1, you can use tabs too, but i think ud probably know about that too
[13:10] <Sidewinder1> Thank you very much!
[13:10] <coalwater> the other ones are only navigational, f6 for example switches active pane
[13:11] <coalwater> alt + <=  back alt+ => forward , alt+ up =parent
[13:11] <coalwater> most of them are listed in the menus
[13:12] <coalwater> or all i guess
[13:12] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, Yes, I am aware of some but it's kinda' a shame that there seems to be no all inclusive list.
[13:13] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, There probably is, somewhere, I just haven't run across it; if I did, I probably simply forgot. :-(
[13:21] <coalwater> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/410288 wish this bug could get fixed
[13:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 410288 in gvfs "Nautilus does not handle FTP timeouts well" [Low,Triaged]
[13:21] <coalwater> sadly it's written in c or something, i can't fix it my self
[13:28] <virgo> thanks coalwater, the F3 does the job for me :)
[13:28] <coalwater> ok good
[13:28] <virgo> i hope i wont forget it :p
[13:28] <coalwater> it's in the view menu
[13:28] <coalwater> view > extra pane
[13:29] <virgo> yes
[13:30] <virgo> the ctrl+n opens more than one window
[13:36] <coalwater> virgo,  just 1 window , but if u press it more than once it opens more
[13:38] <virgo> i think i must not hold down the ctrl+n more than half second or so
[13:38] <virgo> else it opens more windows
[13:39] <coalwater> hold ctrl then do 1 key stroke on the letter N
[13:41] <virgo> ahh, it just opens duplicate from active window
[14:04] <coalwater> virgo, ctrl+N usually means 'new' in most applications, in nautilus it means open a new window
[14:22] <virgo> ok
[14:29] <virgo> i think the ubuntu software installing system is still not simple enough
[14:30] <virgo> because there are many application not in software center and need manual install
[14:30] <virgo> and this can be a pain
[14:30] <Sidewinder1> virgo, Do you use Synaptic Package Manager?
[14:31] <virgo> ubuntu software center
[14:31] <virgo> well, i do apt-get command too sometimes
[14:32] <virgo> and still have to download, extract, copy, install
[14:32] <virgo> some things manually
[14:33] <Sidewinder1> Synaptic is the graphical front end for apt. Last time I checked it listed over 33,000 pieces of various software available. System--> Administration--> Synaptic
[14:47] <coalwater> virgo, what are you trying to install
[15:17] <coalwater> there's this annoying bug, but i don't know what i should call it, it's when you call somethign from the sound menu for example like rhythmbox, or open a file , sometimes the program that should be opened doesn't aquire focus as it should, and when i want to close it, and i press the x button it closes the window below it, which in my case is usually firefox with loads of tabs open, which is very annoying, is there any one aware of any acti
[15:17] <coalwater> ve bug that is talking about this issue or not ?.
[15:25] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, I've never experienced the bug to which you refer; however in Firefox there is a config in preferrences to reopen FF with the tabs that were open when closed.Doesn't solve the prob. but might help with the aftereffects.
[15:26] <coalwater> Sidewinder1, i know it repoens but it is annoying :D
[15:27] <Sidewinder1> Know what you mean. :-(
[15:41] <coalwater> there was a confirm on close box, but i don't know what happened to i
[15:41] <coalwater> it
[15:47] <nlsthzn> Ok, I purchased an application in software center in 11.04, now reverted back to 10.04... anyway to install the app I paid for?!
[15:50] <Sidewinder1> What app?
[15:50] <nlsthzn> Sidewinder1: Volleybrawl :p
[15:53] <Sidewinder1> nlsthzn, Not familiar with that one; but if it was specifically written for 11.04 it might not work. Just try it in 10.04 if it doesn't work contact the supplier and if they won't provide a work-around, raise HELL. You did, afterall pay for it.
[15:54] <nlsthzn> Sidewinder1: the issue is that the software center in 10.04 doesn't give me the option to install applications from sources you need to pay for... so regardless if it works or not I cannot install it...
[15:57] <Sidewinder1> nlsthzn, Not that it'll solve your problem with this specific software, it won't. But I would respectfully suggest that you use: System--> Administration--> Synaptic Package Manager. It's superior to software center.
[15:57] <nlsthzn> Sidewinder1: your advice is irrelevant to my problem and also irrelevant period... I cannot see how you would suggest that...
[15:58] <Sidewinder1> nlsthzn, Synaptic is simply a front-end GUI for the command line "apt-get".
[15:58] <nlsthzn> Sidewinder1: if needed I will then use apt-get
[15:58] <Sidewinder1> Sorry for trying to be of assistence.
[15:58] <nlsthzn> Sidewinder1: sorry for sounding ungrateful, not my intention... thanks for wanting to help
[15:59] <nlsthzn> it is appreciated!
[15:59] <Sidewinder1> No prob. :-)
[15:59] <nlsthzn> Sidewinder1: just note as this is "beginners" anything that can be done with software center should be done by ... well software center :p
[15:59] <coalwater> i think i've read there's something to install pre purchased apps, but i dont remember where
[16:00] <nlsthzn> coalwater: I will continue the google thing, cheers
[16:00] <coalwater> nlsthzn, in software center, choose file menu, i think ull find it there
[16:01] <coalwater> file > install previous purchases
[16:02] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, Wow, I never knew that!
[16:03] <coalwater> guess i just look around a lot :P
[16:03] <nlsthzn> coalwater: nope... I only have a grayed out option for install... using Lucid... and from the creators at OMGUbuntu it seems it is for 10.10 and above... cheers
[16:04] <coalwater> i dont think there was a purchase option back then
[16:04] <holstein> nlsthzn: what about a PPA for a newer software center in 10.04 ?
[16:05] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center for example
[16:05] <holstein> i think thats the deal though... 10.04 didnt have that functionality yet*
[16:05] <nlsthzn> coalwater: there isn't
[16:05] <nlsthzn> holstein: which is ironic as 10.04 is the flagship product :/
[16:06] <holstein> well, its the LTS
[16:06]  * nlsthzn waves at ApOgEE ... Hey Commander Keen :p
[16:06] <holstein> the center wasnt for that pupose back then
[16:07] <nlsthzn> holstein: I am sure it is more than matured to be added (or made available somehow)
[16:07] <holstein> nlsthzn: they wont rev it that far. anything really
[16:07] <holstein> PPA's are an option for that though, in theory
[16:08] <nlsthzn> holstein: funny that noone has done it then :/
[16:08] <holstein> well, not very many people are where you are, reverting to 10.04
[16:08] <holstein> i do know, all of those issues are being addressed
[16:09] <nlsthzn> holstein: and what about those that chose to stay...
[16:09] <nlsthzn> not the best thanks for using LTS is it :p
[16:09] <holstein> i mean, what if you buy an app, and want to move to fedora for example
[16:09] <holstein> nlsthzn: but you're not using the LTS. the LTS didnt have that functionality
[16:09] <holstein> you are asking to port functionality back to the LTS
[16:10] <holstein> and thats do-able, but not trivial. especially for something as core as the software center
[16:11] <nlsthzn> holstein: ... k ... just wondering that if there was any apps people saw others using and they where on LTS it is sad they won't get the oppertunity to use them because the functionality isn't given to them...
[16:11] <holstein> nlsthzn: seems like i remember reading that everything syncs with your ubuntuone account. maybe someone it the ubuntuone channel might have encountered this
[16:12] <holstein> everything = your software purchases
[16:12] <nlsthzn> holstein: I know music does... but not seeing anything about the app ... maybe I will ask
[16:13] <nlsthzn> thanks
[16:13] <holstein> what you are trying to do is the equivalent of asking the firefox 3 version in 10.04 to do something firefox4 does
[16:13] <holstein> personally, i just use a PPA to get FF4 in 10.04
[16:14] <nlsthzn> holstein: I understand that.. however, FF4 could be added to 10.04 or like you said, there are PPA's for it at least (btw, could you point me to such a ppa :p for FF)
[16:15] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable is the one i use
[16:16] <holstein> also, im wondering if https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center adds puchase functionality to the software center in lucid
[16:16] <holstein> purchase*
[16:16] <holstein> you could always message the maintainer
[16:18] <nlsthzn> holstein: from the net they said they would support 10.10 and 11.04... but I think it has all to do with the fact that you have to purchase it (and in those distro's you can)
[16:18] <holstein> right. 10.04 did *not* have purchase functionality by default
[16:19] <nlsthzn> holstein: and it seems the functionallity isn't availble in 10.04 in any way
[16:20] <holstein> nlsthzn: you checked on that PPA ?
[16:20] <Sidewinder1> nlsthzn, And since you did purchase it they certainly should supply you with another copy that you can install it 10.10; if they won't, as I said earlier, I'd raise hell!
[16:21] <JackyAlcine> Sidewinder1, like an upgraded version?
[16:21] <holstein> Sidewinder1: 10.04* thats the issue
[16:21] <Sidewinder1> Perhaps, he paid for it; they should be more than willing to help solve his problem.
[16:22] <nlsthzn> They did say works in 10.10 and greater... I will check out the other PPA... just installing FF4 quickly :p
[16:22] <holstein> sure, the vendor should, and they say clearly what versions are supported, and 10.04 aint one of them ^
[16:22] <Sidewinder1> holstein, Didn't he state earlier that "they" said it would work in 10.10 and 11.04?
[16:22] <holstein> Sidewinder1: yeah, but nlsthzn is interested in 10.04 support
[16:23] <Sidewinder1> OIC, 10
[16:23]  * nlsthzn isn't to bothered about a $3 app... the game sucks actually :p however just wondering about the implication of not letting all the 10.04 users purchase stuff
[16:23] <Sidewinder1> .04
[16:23] <holstein> yup
[16:23] <Sidewinder1> my bad
[16:23] <holstein> nlsthzn: theres a reason why that was not pushed to the LTS. it wasnt ready yet
[16:24] <holstein> theres not implication really, it just wasnt ready
[16:24] <JackyAlcine> Indeed.
[16:25] <nlsthzn> holstein: again... 1 year after release it is ready... and the implication is I can't get the software that is there for purcashing... that is money I can't spend, and who ever can't receive
[16:25] <holstein> thats always the case. to stay with the LTS, or take advantage of some new technology
[16:25] <Sidewinder1> JackyAlcine, Sounds like Tealk
[16:25] <holstein> via PPA, you can only do so much
[16:25] <holstein> the stability of the LTS is its own perk*
[16:25] <Sidewinder1> From Stargate...SG1.
[16:25] <holstein> nlsthzn: core components dont get updated like that
[16:26] <holstein> nlsthzn: for example, you are having a serious issue with a purchase. you cant downgrade, or run it in another distro
[16:26] <holstein> these are things that, in theory, will be adressed before the software center version in the next LTS
[16:27] <nlsthzn> ... great... so rolling release is crap cause it will break... and LTS is just to old fashioned... one of the core benifits of FOSS is bested by Microsoft... sure the OS is old, buggy, sucks, but you will be able to install the latest and best applications for it
[16:27] <holstein> EVERYTHING the software center does in 10.04 is stable
[16:27] <nlsthzn> holstein: you mean the little software center does is stable :p
[16:28] <holstein> nlsthzn: however you need to frame it, its stable none the less
[16:28] <JackyAlcine> I love SG1! It's my Plymouth loading theme :D
[16:28] <Sidewinder1> Personally, I prefer LTS...To each his/her own.
[16:28] <nlsthzn> holstein: k... guess it is still a tad better than Debian... well, for now
[16:28] <holstein> its just different*
[16:29]  * nlsthzn suppresses the urge to dist-upgrade (twice)
[16:30] <Sidewinder1> BTW, greetings holstein
[16:30] <nlsthzn> thanks for the assistance guys, appreciated!
[16:30] <Sidewinder1> BRB..
[16:30] <holstein> Sidewinder1: o/ :)
[16:31] <holstein> nlsthzn: sure, anytime... i know these issues can become challening.
[16:31] <nlsthzn> at least I got to go up to FF4 from the help :p
[16:31] <virgo> is it possible to copy files with root rights without terminal?
[16:31] <coalwater> start nautilus with root
[16:32] <coalwater> open a terminal then run sudo nautilus
[16:32] <holstein> nlsthzn: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9988827 < theres a forum post with that same question
[16:32] <virgo> yeah, thanks
[16:34] <nlsthzn> coalwater: did you check out the thread?
[16:51] <JackyAlcine> How do you get window buttons in the panel in 11.04 without Unity?
[16:52] <holstein> JackyAlcine: there was a pacakge called maximus for the old netbook remix
[16:54] <holstein> looks like its still around http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=maximus&searchon=names&suite=natty&section=all
[16:56] <JackyAlcine> Yup; just apt-cache search'd it.
[16:56] <JackyAlcine> Hopefully; it'd also with the gnome-panel panel addition dialog to add those buttons to the panel.
[16:56] <JackyAlcine> Unity's cool and all, but I can't use.
[16:56] <JackyAlcine> *use it
[16:59] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, Just so you're aware, it's "gksudo" for launching graphical apps with root ptivleged
[16:59] <Sidewinder1> privileges
[16:59] <Sidewinder1> !gksudo
[16:59] <ubot2> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[17:00] <coalwater> Sidewinder1, i always use sudo and it works, i dunno what's the difference
[17:01] <coalwater> maybe it's not kept bound by the terminal that launched it ?
[17:03] <coalwater> hm ok, guess there's more to it, i've read the link
[17:04] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, Check out the ubot2 link. Do not ever run Firefox (not that you ever would) with sudo; it'll really foul up permissions and other things.
[17:05] <coalwater> Sidewinder1, yea i checked it
[17:05] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, Even gedit should be run with gksudo...
[17:05]  * holstein ran sudo firefox once
[17:05] <coalwater> though i didn't understand most of it but yea i get the msg, no sudo gui
[17:05] <holstein> thats all it took :)
[17:05] <Sidewinder1> :-)
[17:06] <Sidewinder1> Experience CAN be the best teacher; but, she's damn expensive! :-)
[17:07] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, coalwater's new mantra: no sudo gui, no sudo gui... :-)
[17:07] <coalwater> lol
[17:08] <Sidewinder1> Now I know I'm getting too old; I'm actaully having fun.
[17:11] <coalwater> fun is old?
[17:12]  * Sidewinder1 Goes for luagh; no get.
[17:12] <Sidewinder1> laugh
[17:31] <virgo> when i do ./bootstrap it says permission denied, but when i do sudo ./bootstrap it says "command not found"
[17:32] <virgo> i may be have to make the files executable
[17:34] <coalwater> is that a runnable file?
[17:35] <virgo> i dunno, the readme says i should do like that
[17:36] <virgo> Steps to build on Linux: ./bootstrap ./configure ./make && ./make install
[17:37] <coalwater> ok, try to skip the ./bootstrap, i never heard of it, and btw not all apps are installed like that
[17:40] <virgo> may be it doesn like that the folder belongs to root
[17:42] <virgo> nope, still nothing
[17:48] <Sidewinder1> compiling from source in #ubuntu-beginners; Wow, we've come a long way. :-)
[17:51] <virgo> i think i dont need to compile this, thats why ubuntu dont let me
[17:55] <virgo> that happens, when ubuntu-beginner (me) wants to do things he cant
[17:59] <Sidewinder1> You can; there's just a learning curve involved. For instance, I know how to compile from source, but have never done so 'cause I haven't had the need. I love Synaptic...
[18:01] <Sidewinder1> It handles dependencies and a myriad of other important issues. I subscribe to the "kiss" principle: Keep It Simple Stupid....Which I sometimes am; according to my wife, more often than not...:-)
[18:01] <virgo> lol
[18:02] <virgo> so this synaptic is better than software center?
[18:02] <Sidewinder1> But she's a winbloze person, go figure...What she doesn't know won't hurt her...
[18:03] <Sidewinder1> Absolutely! It's simply a gui, front-end for apt-get.
[18:03] <coalwater> virgo,  u never said what u are trying to isntall
[18:04] <Sidewinder1> virgo, System-->Administration-->Synaptic Package Manager
[18:04] <virgo> i want to compile Ogre3d c project with Code::Blocks
[18:04] <coalwater> does the folder contain a file called INSTALL or something
[18:05] <Sidewinder1> Totally beyond my abilities
[18:06] <Sidewinder1> virgo, Usually the source code that you download will have specific instructions in a "readme" file...
[18:06] <virgo> yeah, that what i was following
[18:06] <virgo> anyway, i will go some steps back and try read more instructions, tutorials, when i have time
[18:07] <coalwater> are u sure u meet all the requirements
[18:07] <virgo> i hate to get stuck with unexpected errors when i follow the insturctions
[18:07] <virgo> im not sure at anything
[18:07] <coalwater> add a write to file and post the output in the pastebin
[18:07] <virgo> i must investigate more, but i be afk now for some time
[18:07] <coalwater> ./configure > output.txt
[18:08] <coalwater> then open output.txt and paste the content in http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[18:08] <coalwater> and give us the link
[18:08] <stlsaint> cat output.txt | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com :D
[18:09] <stlsaint> that could be a one liner really
[18:09] <virgo> the output is too simple for saving to file: No such file or directory
[18:09] <coalwater> no errors?
[18:09] <braiam> or pastebinit -i output.txt :D
[18:09] <virgo> no
[18:09] <coalwater> i need to install it first right?
[18:10] <braiam> stlsaint: why -b?
[18:12] <coalwater> http://paste.ubuntu.com/611496/ cool lol
[18:12] <coalwater> echo 'this is a test' | pastebinit -a coalwater
[18:13] <coalwater> anyway, brb
[18:16] <stlsaint> braiam: lets you choose the paste site to use
[18:17] <braiam> stlsaint: but paste.ubuntu.com is the default :)
[18:17] <stlsaint> braiam: well i like to use options hehe, oh and its not the default
[18:18] <stlsaint> pastebin.com is/was the default from what i can tell
[18:18] <braiam> not now stlsaint "b <pastebin url:el predeterminado es «http://paste.ubuntu.com»>"
[18:19] <stlsaint> braiam: then you set that
[18:19] <stlsaint> but if you run ls -l | pastebinit you will get a pastebin.com site on a default installation (unless you went from another persons ppa)
[18:20] <coalwater> pastebinit -h and ull see
[18:21] <coalwater> lol no
[18:21] <coalwater> it will list ur files and post it
[18:21] <coalwater> pastebinit -l  how to list the sites
[18:22] <braiam> stlsaint: http://paste.ubuntu.com/611504/
[18:22] <braiam> i use no ppa, unless it wasn't in the repos
[18:24] <stlsaint> braiam: what distro you using?
[18:24] <braiam> natty stlsaint
[18:24] <stlsaint> braiam: aye i am on lucid
[18:24] <stlsaint> different builds
[18:25] <braiam> o.o
[18:58] <Sidewinder1> I still don't understand the "voice" thingy???
[18:59] <Puck`> it shows who are team members (:
[18:59] <Sidewinder1> team? Thought it was 'cause I use X-chat w/out sound?
[19:00] <Puck`> erm ... nope, it has nothing to do with sound
[19:01] <Sidewinder1> Team must obviously different from ops...
[19:01] <Sidewinder1> be
[19:03] <Sidewinder1> Guess I'll have to go search..
[19:04] <holstein> the voice flag doesnt indicate that here, it just indicates an ubuntu member
[19:04] <holstein> everyone has voice AFAIK, just by joining
[19:05] <Sidewinder1> member being one who has contributed ($) ?
[19:06] <holstein> Sidewinder1: ubuntu member
[19:06] <Sidewinder1> BRB, Wifey calls...
[19:06] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[19:06] <Sidewinder1> Thanx holstein
[19:06] <holstein> Sidewinder1: sure
[19:07] <moose_man_1957> I am having a problem trying to install Ubuntu server 11.04
[19:08] <moose_man_1957> it hangs asking me for disc labelled Ubuntu-Server 11.04 _Natty Narwhal_
[19:08] <moose_man_1957> but that is not the disk created from the download
[19:09] <holstein> moose_man_1957: you *should* install server 10.04 version
[19:10] <holstein> moose_man_1957: are you trying USB boot/install?
[19:10] <moose_man_1957> cd
[19:11] <moose_man_1957> the image created has a different name for the cd
[19:11] <holstein> im not sure what the issue is, but the usual thing is to check the md5 sum of the download and the source
[19:11] <moose_man_1957> does not have Natty Narwhale
[19:12] <holstein> moose_man_1957: i would suggest http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/ and scroll down to the server iso
[19:14] <moose_man_1957> I will give that a try
[19:14] <holstein> 10.04 is a long term support release, supported for 5 years on the server
[19:14] <moose_man_1957> how do I respond to your messages so that your nick name appears
[19:15] <moose_man_1957> I am new
[19:15] <holstein> moose_man_1957: you can use tab
[19:15] <holstein> type hol and hit tab
[19:15] <moose_man_1957> holstein: ah much appreciated
[19:15] <holstein> type h and hit tab a bunch, and you'll scroll through the h's
[19:15] <holstein> moose_man_1957: anytime
[19:15] <moose_man_1957> holstein: awesome
[19:39]  * Sidewinder1 Glad there's not too many "sides"...;-)
[19:39] <holstein> quite a few s's though
[19:42] <leex> hi
[19:43] <holstein> leex: o/
[19:43] <Sidewinder1> Nice to know there's all these folks available to provide assistence.
[19:43] <holstein> my first suggestion is going to be confirming the md5 sums of the iso's you downloaded
[19:44] <leex> holstein: been there, done that
[19:44] <holstein> leex: this is an alternate installer?
[19:44] <leex> holstein: yes
[19:44] <holstein> from CD ?
[19:44] <holstein> *not USB stick
[19:44] <leex> because the desktop doesnt hold crypto ...
[19:44] <leex> from USB
[19:44] <holstein> pretty sure thats going to be the issue
[19:45] <holstein> can you use a disc?
[19:45] <leex> my machine doesn't have CD drive
[19:45] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuServerFlashDriveInstaller
[19:46] <holstein> http://die-klapsmuehle.org/2010/02/21/ubuntu-alternate-von-usb-stick-installieren/
[19:47] <holstein> leex: i seem to remember a different error though, what was the error you get again?
[19:48] <leex> I was getting the error: A Step failed. Select and install software
[19:48] <holstein> the ubuntustudio iso i deal with a lot uses the alternate installer
[19:49] <holstein> the error message when trying to install from USB was something like 'cannot locate install media'
[19:50] <holstein> the select and install software message... i saw that when we had issues with the ubuntustudio metapackages being uninstallable
[19:51] <leex> so for everyone else: I am currently trying to install from a USB stick, using the alternate amd64 installer as well as the amd64 daily alternate installer, I manually decrypt my disks to reuse them for installation (don't want to move my home, or change my LVM), it works well until I reach select and install software, where it fails
[19:51] <holstein> leex: are you able to get to the select software step? if so, try not installing whatever is failing, and apt-get it later
[19:51] <leex> holstein: but I am not using ubuntustudio
[19:51] <leex> holstein: how can I see with package failed?
[19:51] <holstein> leex: right, HOWEVER, they are both alternate installers, so im trying to pool and share my experience
[19:51] <leex> and how can I resume installing all the other packages?
[19:52] <holstein> leex: theres a step in the alternate installer, near the end of the list
[19:53] <holstein> makes a webserver (if you are online) on the failed install, and allows you to get at some logs
[19:53] <leex> holstein: k I will try that
[19:53] <holstein> leex: with ubuntustudio, when i chose *not* to install any pacakges, the installation went through as usual
[19:53] <holstein> and i just installed the metas afterwards
[19:54] <holstein> leex: i would suggest trying the 10.04 alternate, that could be a bug in the alternate installer with whatever configuration you are trying to setup
[19:55] <leex> holstein: I need at least 38-r3 because of my hardware, my nic won't work with an older kernel version
[19:55] <holstein> leex: get that failing log report then, and we'll see who we can find to look at it :)
[19:56] <holstein> unless you want to run a different kernel in lucid
[19:58] <leex> k, I will get some food and post the result in asap, about in an hour ;)
[20:12] <Sidewinder1> We all need to consume fuel. :-)
[20:13]  * coalwater is back :P
[20:16] <virgo> great
[20:16] <coalwater> oh my, more questions? jk
[20:16] <virgo> no
[20:16] <coalwater> :D lol, was just kidding anyway
[20:17] <virgo> no, i mean great, that you were afk
[20:17] <coalwater> did u manage to compile that thing of urs
[20:17] <virgo> jk
[20:17] <virgo> i was afk aswell
[20:18] <virgo> i dont want to compile that thing anymore
[20:18] <virgo> because im not sure it is the correct way
[20:18] <virgo> i was messing with the pastebinit also :p
[20:19] <virgo> cool thing
[20:20] <leex> installing the base system right now
[20:21] <virgo> i just add "| pastebinit -a virgo" after terminal command and get it posted to internet
[20:21] <coalwater> yup
[20:23] <virgo> coalwater: you got alot of free time that you just stay in irc and help others?
[20:25] <coalwater> virgo,  not at all, i only have time to work and study for an hour or so at home and sleep, but i keep the irc client on whenever im around, whenever someone mentions my name i just check what's around, i do check what people are talking about every now and then though
[20:26] <coalwater> i wish i had free time, at least i would have more time to study what i want to learn
[20:27] <virgo> i must never type your name then, else ill interrupt your studing
[20:27] <kristian_> hi again, ppl
[20:27] <virgo> hi
[20:28] <coalwater> hi kristian_
[20:28] <kristian_> hi coalwater , virgo
[20:28] <kristian_> still contemplating the cloud backup/ssh thing
[20:29] <kristian_> what would be nice was an account that I could mount via sshfs
[20:29] <coalwater> so virgo  its really useful to just yell people's name when ur talking, dont think any one just keeps his irc client on and keeps reading lol
[20:37] <kristian_> anyone know of a free webspace provider where I can use sshfs?
[20:50] <coalwater> kristian_, isn't that a lil too much to be free lol
[20:50] <leex> well this time, using the expert mode and not choosing to install any software at all, i managed through select and install software, but restarting the sytem results in grub error 15, so how does ubuntu handle its grub? coming from gentoo there is too much autoconfig stuff for me :)
[20:51] <kristian_> coalwater, I just asked about this on #ubuntuone as I can't find it on their website
[20:53] <escott> leex, depends on what version of grub for grub2 there is an os-prober tool which finds other os partitions and a grub-mkconfig which builds the grub.cfg file using inputs from /etc/default/grub
[20:53] <moose_man_1957> holstein: you still there
[20:54] <holstein> moose_man_1957: o/
[20:56] <moose_man_1957> same basic error trying to instal 10.04
[20:57] <Error404NotFound> oi
[20:57] <moose_man_1957> keeps asking for a different labeled disk
[20:58] <holstein> moose_man_1957: labeled?
[20:58] <holstein> not sure what you mean... whats the error?
[20:59] <moose_man_1957> the window is [!!] Install the base system
[20:59] <holstein> moose_man_1957: this is an alternate iso?
[20:59] <holstein> OH
[21:00] <holstein> server
[21:00] <holstein> im remembering now :)
[21:00] <holstein> had to look back at the scroll*
[21:00] <moose_man_1957> yes server ;-)
[21:00] <holstein> well, i can assure you thats the iso i used
[21:00] <holstein> moose_man_1957: can you get a normal live CD to do anything?
[21:01] <holstein> moose_man_1957: and, you did confirm the md5 sum?
[21:01] <moose_man_1957> Please insert disk Labeled: 'Unbuntu-Server 10.04.2 LTS _Lucid Lynx
[21:01] <moose_man_1957> holstein: how to confirm md5 sum
[21:02] <leex> escott: so if I get grub error 15, I just have to cryptsetup and chroot and then us the os-prober, grub-mkconfig and grub-install?
[21:03] <holstein> moose_man_1957: you can run in a terminal md5sum /path/to/image
[21:03] <leex> *use
[21:03] <holstein> and look online for the sum from canonnical
[21:03] <escott> leex, confirm your grub version first. is it 1 or 2
[21:03] <leex> 2
[21:04] <moose_man_1957> holstein: remember if I were any greener I would still be in the ground
[21:04] <holstein> moose_man_1957: what would you like clarification about?
[21:04] <moose_man_1957> holstein: I put the cd into this liux machine what now
[21:05] <leex> escott: 2
[21:05] <moose_man_1957> holstein:  terminal command
[21:05] <holstein> moose_man_1957: im suggesting that you confirm the md5 sum of the downloaded iso image
[21:05] <holstein> in a terminal: md5sum /home/you/Downloads/ubuntu.iso
[21:05] <holstein> *for example
[21:06] <holstein> then, you compare the # you get with the # that is on the site where you downloaded
[21:06] <escott> leex, i don't know the crypt related stuff, but otherwise yes. chroot, grub-mkconfig, and if you think the mbr is hosed grub-install /dev/sda
[21:06] <escott> leex, you don't run os-prober, grub-mkconfig does
[21:06] <escott> !grub | leex
[21:07] <ubot2> leex: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)
[21:14] <moose_man_1957> holstein: the cd is in my cd drive how do I reference it
[21:15] <moose_man_1957> holstein: I thought /media / Ubuntu-Server....
[21:16] <moose_man_1957> holstein: Thank you for your patience
[21:25] <holstein> moose_man_1957: i would suggest going for the downloaded imgage
[21:25] <holstein> image*
[21:25] <holstein> moose_man_1957: also, you might want to just install the normal ubuntu verion, assuming you have enough resources
[21:25] <holstein> you can use that installation as a server installation*
[21:28] <moose_man_1957> holstein:
[21:29] <moose_man_1957> holstein: so you are saying if I install 11.04 desktop on the machine I can use it as a server, this is just for a home network as I want my photos and music on a server
[21:30] <holstein> moose_man_1957: sure, and that might be easier for you to handle
[21:30] <holstein> having a GUI and all that can be quite helpful when you first land in linux
[21:30] <moose_man_1957> holstein: agreed
[21:30] <holstein> theres also solutions like http://www.turnkeylinux.org/fileserver
[21:30] <holstein> ^ thats based on ubuntu 10.04
[21:31] <moose_man_1957> holstein: I have been on windows for ever, but I am technical and was a programmer
[21:31] <moose_man_1957> holstein: you are most kind sir
[21:31] <holstein> moose_man_1957: OK, so you'll be fine then either way :)
[21:32] <moose_man_1957> holstein: I will read the turnkey solution you have provided
[21:32] <holstein> moose_man_1957: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1756948
[21:33] <holstein> not really a solution, just someone with that same issue
[21:33] <holstein> moose_man_1957: do you have raid?
[21:34] <holstein> i keep thinking you have some kind of hardward configuration that im not familiar with, and that is not totally 'out-of-the-box' easy
[21:35] <moose_man_1957> holstein: no I have a simple older computer with a couple of 80gig drives nothing exceptional about the hardware
[21:36] <moose_man_1957> the forum you pointed me to is the exact problem
[21:36] <moose_man_1957> maybe I will download to this box and burn it here
[22:20] <philipballew> i just replaced a bunch of hardware and now my speakers dont play sound. anyone wanna tackle this with me?
[22:23] <Error404NotFound> did you go into sound preferences to make sure the right device is enabled?
[22:24] <philipballew> like sound prefferences? yeah. but im not sure what to do there exactly
[22:24] <Error404NotFound> did you replace sound card?
[22:24] <philipballew> the sound plays from head phones and not the speakers
[22:24] <philipballew> i replaces motherboard. fan and heatsink
[22:25] <Error404NotFound> so onboard sound?
[22:25] <philipballew> its a laptop
[22:25] <Error404NotFound> ok
[22:25] <Error404NotFound> go to output in sound preferences
[22:25] <philipballew> alright. there now :)
[22:26] <Error404NotFound> is there only one device for sound?
[22:26] <philipballew> yes
[22:26] <Error404NotFound> not muted
[22:27] <philipballew>  no and its connector is analog speakers
[22:27] <Error404NotFound> is connector set to analog output/aplified?
[22:27] <philipballew> ^one above you
[22:28] <Error404NotFound> set to aplifier
[22:28] <Error404NotFound> amplifier even
[22:29] <philipballew> it only has the option for analog speakers, analog output and analog headphones
[22:31] <Error404NotFound> change to analog speakers
[22:32] <Error404NotFound> that should be it
[22:32] <Error404NotFound> speakers worked b4 i assume?
[22:32] <philipballew> thats what its on actually
[22:32] <philipballew> yeah. they worked before hardware change
[22:32] <philipballew> but i can get sound to beep on the bios
[22:33] <Error404NotFound> nothing to do with sound
[22:33] <Error404NotFound> its just a little internal beeper thingy lol
[22:33] <philipballew> it seemed to be coming from the speakers?
[22:34] <philipballew> maybe not
[22:34] <coalwater> idk if this helps ,but i think the bot had some help about sound
[22:34] <coalwater> !sound
[22:34] <ubot2> If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings.  If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files,  see !players and !mp3.
[22:34] <coalwater> there u go, hope this helps somehow
[22:35] <philipballew> alright. thanks!!!
[22:39] <escott> philipballew, you can also try hda_analyzer for onboard intel sound problems, its a bit less beginner friendly but it usually works
[23:04] <coalwater> my gnome-panel appears with no styles at all, it gives me that ugly classic theme, how can i reset this, it seems to be some bad settings or something
[23:05] <escott> coalwater, does it work properly when you logout/login?
[23:06] <Error404NotFound> go to system settings
[23:06] <Error404NotFound> login
[23:06] <coalwater> it like starts good, but then crashes and goes bad
[23:06] <coalwater> not crashes, it just acts like that u know
[23:06] <coalwater> i think it loads something that does that
[23:07] <escott> coalwater, ps aux | grep settings is gnome-settings-daemon running
[23:10] <coalwater> could u say what exactly  i shoudl write, cause it says it doesn't exist or something
[23:10] <coalwater> but the daemon is running when i tried it alone
[23:14] <coalwater> ok if i want to delete all its settings file, where could i find that
[23:18] <escott> coalwater, "ps aux | grep settings" is gnome-settings-daemon listed?
[23:18] <coalwater> yea, it is
[23:21] <coalwater> i killed it, then restarted it, and it worked, but i dont know if this will work every time or not
[23:22] <escott> coalwater, i had some issues with race conditions before, where some things like nautilus were loading before gnome-settings-daemon could read the theme out of dconf
[23:23] <coalwater> it's not bothering me much, it's a virtual box machine that i only use for coding and branching, but it would be nice if i could fix it
[23:24] <coalwater> restarting and ill see what happens
[23:26] <coalwater> still bad lol, o well