[01:59] I hate the wiki surge protection [02:00] slows me down in my tagging process [02:00] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryObsolete [20:45] Phil, are you there? [21:08] Phil, I'm online [22:35] * UndiFineD waves at vtanthropologist [22:42] I have been busy yesterday [22:43] I got a number of pages tagged up for deletion, but we still need to review them [22:43] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag/Deletion/List [22:43] we have a ton of pages tagged [22:43] most are not ready to be deleted [22:43] check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/DeletingAndRenaming [22:44] ive deleted a ton of pages this last week though [22:44] doing some right now actually [22:45] great [22:46] the biggest thing is getting pages unlinked from other pages [22:46] how do you search ? google ? [22:46] some pages on the list should not be deleted at all as they are linked from the serverguide [22:46] other may be salvageable [22:47] no, just click on the title at the top [22:47] if you mouseover if will say Do a full search... [22:48] and if nothing is found, should I edit the page ? or something else ? [22:49] perhaps a searched and safe to change tag ? [22:51] if nothing is linked to it, it's in a better state to be deleted [22:51] its really a judgment call about whether a page should be deleted [22:52] That's true, still you've got persons who have bookmarked it right? [22:52] there are a lot of really old pages, but some of the are tightly integrated with others which makes them difficult and time consuimg to delete [22:52] well I dont havve the rights to do it [22:52] yet [22:52] MrChrisDruif, yeah, it will break bookmarks. In some cases a redirect is better to use [22:52] however, for stuff that just isnt applicable anymore, deleting works [22:53] but I guess the UBT wiki team could help to relief search efforts here [22:53] +1 on that, good learning experience as well? [22:54] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/vsftpd?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=linkto%3A%22vsftpd%22 [22:54] tagging is helpful, but getting pages up to date is even better :) [22:54] nothing found [22:54] UndiFineD, i know for a fact that that page is linked from the serverguide [22:54] Adam Sommer maintains the server guide [22:55] so google search might be safer here ? [22:55] the wiki is not finding anything [22:55] Rocket2DMn; I agree, why only tag if you can fix it :) [22:57] UndiFineD, perhaps [22:57] wiki pages are notoriously difficult to keep up to date since things change so fast [22:58] Rocket2DMn; Isn't that what Mallard is going to help with? [22:59] MrChrisDruif, no, mallard is used for the official docs [22:59] As it can output to all three systems currently in place? [22:59] anything at /community on h.u..c is community wiki [22:59] I thought it could also output to wiki format? [23:00] not sure, it probably could if somebody writes a transformation for it, but we dont use official docs like that [23:00] we ship the official docs in mallard format to be read in yelp, then build them to html to post online [23:00] they can only be edited at the bzr source [23:01] http://www.google.com/search?q=site:help.ubuntu.com+https%3A%2F%2Fhelp.ubuntu.com%2Fcommunity%2Fvsftpd [23:02] UndiFineD, that's not showing links, just instances of vsftpd [23:03] i'm also not sure what to do about translated pages on the wiki [23:03] some are marked for deletion, but i think we allow translated wiki pages [23:04] not sure we suggest doing it, but i dont recall us ever going out of our way to get rid of them [23:04] Isn't it also true LoCo's will start to use help.u.c. for their help pages? [23:04] MrChrisDruif, i think we talking about allowing the transalted official docs to be hosted [23:05] Well, I'm only expressing what I've heard in the ubt Wiki meeting [23:06] yes, that is for official docs initially [23:06] but if the official docs refer to translated community docs, they might be created [23:07] So only official docs will be put on the help pages, eventually translated to other languages? [23:07] (Most are already translated afaik) [23:10] i think it will just be an export of the translations directly [23:11] translators wont work on the html pages, they just translate the mallard source which gets built into html just like the english docs [23:12] Indeed