[01:59] <UndiFineD> I hate the wiki surge protection
[02:00] <UndiFineD> slows me down in my tagging process
[02:00] <UndiFineD> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryObsolete
[20:45] <vtanthropologist> Phil, are you there?
[21:08] <vtanthropologist> Phil, I'm online
[22:35]  * UndiFineD waves at vtanthropologist 
[22:42] <UndiFineD> I have been busy yesterday
[22:43] <UndiFineD> I got a number of pages tagged up for deletion, but we still need to review them
[22:43] <UndiFineD> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag/Deletion/List
[22:43] <Rocket2DMn> we have a ton of pages tagged
[22:43] <Rocket2DMn> most are not ready to be deleted
[22:43] <Rocket2DMn> check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/DeletingAndRenaming
[22:44] <Rocket2DMn> ive deleted a ton of pages this last week though
[22:44] <Rocket2DMn> doing some right now actually
[22:45] <UndiFineD> great
[22:46] <Rocket2DMn> the biggest thing is getting pages unlinked from other pages
[22:46] <UndiFineD> how do you search ? google ?
[22:46] <Rocket2DMn> some pages on the list should not be deleted at all as they are linked from the serverguide
[22:46] <Rocket2DMn> other may be salvageable
[22:47] <Rocket2DMn> no, just click on the title at the top
[22:47] <Rocket2DMn> if you mouseover if will say Do a full search...
[22:48] <UndiFineD> and if nothing is found, should I edit the page ? or something else ?
[22:49] <UndiFineD> perhaps a searched and safe to change tag ?
[22:51] <Rocket2DMn> if nothing is linked to it, it's in a better state to be deleted
[22:51] <Rocket2DMn> its really a judgment call about whether a page should be deleted
[22:52] <MrChrisDruif> That's true, still you've got persons who have bookmarked it right?
[22:52] <Rocket2DMn> there are a lot of really old pages, but some of the are tightly integrated with others which makes them difficult and time consuimg to delete
[22:52] <UndiFineD> well I dont havve the rights to do it
[22:52] <UndiFineD> yet
[22:52] <Rocket2DMn> MrChrisDruif, yeah, it will break bookmarks.  In some cases a redirect is better to use
[22:52] <Rocket2DMn> however, for stuff that just isnt applicable anymore, deleting works
[22:53] <UndiFineD> but I guess the UBT wiki team could help to relief search efforts here
[22:53] <MrChrisDruif> +1 on that, good learning experience as well?
[22:54] <UndiFineD> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/vsftpd?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=linkto%3A%22vsftpd%22
[22:54] <Rocket2DMn> tagging is helpful, but getting pages up to date is even better :)
[22:54] <UndiFineD> nothing found
[22:54] <Rocket2DMn> UndiFineD, i know for a fact that that page is linked from the serverguide
[22:54] <Rocket2DMn> Adam Sommer maintains the server guide
[22:55] <UndiFineD> so google search might be safer here ?
[22:55] <UndiFineD> the wiki is not finding anything
[22:55] <MrChrisDruif> Rocket2DMn; I agree, why only tag if you can fix it :)
[22:57] <Rocket2DMn> UndiFineD, perhaps
[22:57] <Rocket2DMn> wiki pages are notoriously difficult to keep up to date since things change so fast
[22:58] <MrChrisDruif> Rocket2DMn; Isn't that what Mallard is going to help with?
[22:59] <Rocket2DMn> MrChrisDruif, no, mallard is used for the official docs
[22:59] <MrChrisDruif> As it can output to all three systems currently in place?
[22:59] <Rocket2DMn> anything at /community on h.u..c is community wiki
[22:59] <MrChrisDruif> I thought it could also output to wiki format?
[23:00] <Rocket2DMn> not sure, it probably could if somebody writes a transformation for it, but we dont use official docs like that
[23:00] <Rocket2DMn> we ship the official docs in mallard format to be read in yelp, then build them to html to post online
[23:00] <Rocket2DMn> they can only be edited at the bzr source
[23:01] <UndiFineD> http://www.google.com/search?q=site:help.ubuntu.com+https%3A%2F%2Fhelp.ubuntu.com%2Fcommunity%2Fvsftpd
[23:02] <Rocket2DMn> UndiFineD, that's not showing links, just instances of vsftpd
[23:03] <Rocket2DMn> i'm also not sure what to do about translated pages on the wiki
[23:03] <Rocket2DMn> some are marked for deletion, but i think we allow translated wiki pages
[23:04] <Rocket2DMn> not sure we suggest doing it, but i dont recall us ever going out of our way to get rid of them
[23:04] <MrChrisDruif> Isn't it also true LoCo's will start to use help.u.c. for their help pages?
[23:04] <Rocket2DMn> MrChrisDruif, i think we talking about allowing the transalted official docs to be hosted
[23:05] <MrChrisDruif> Well, I'm only expressing what I've heard in the ubt Wiki meeting
[23:06] <UndiFineD> yes, that is for official docs initially
[23:06] <UndiFineD> but if the official docs refer to translated community docs, they might be created
[23:07] <MrChrisDruif> So only official docs will be put on the help pages, eventually translated to other languages?
[23:07] <MrChrisDruif> (Most are already translated afaik)
[23:10] <Rocket2DMn> i think it will just be an export of the translations directly
[23:11] <Rocket2DMn> translators wont work on the html pages, they just translate the mallard source which gets built into html just like the english docs
[23:12] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed