[00:01] <Azelphur> penguin42: {₵eะ}Project - 7</span>: Anyone want a DDoS? <-- spamming this was the most recent one :p
[00:01] <Azelphur> just before the attack started, it's not exactly rocket science.
[00:01] <JGJones> Ah that's the problem
[00:01] <JGJones> Azelphur, you're making the mistake of *assuming* that the "tech" people at comcast can understand the stuff you're sending them ;-)
[00:02] <Azelphur> indeed, you'd think the abuse@ people would be somewhat trained to deal with (D)DoS attacks
[00:02] <JGJones> maybe if you inserted some OMG PONIES, they might get it.
[00:02] <Azelphur> lol
[00:02] <ali1234> ponies?
[00:02] <Azelphur> maybe I should do what gamesurge do when ISP's refuse to respond to abuse@ emails
[00:03] <Azelphur> they just kline the entire ISP with a message telling the users to call their ISP and complain to get the issue resolved
[00:03] <Azelphur> amazingly seems to work rather well
[00:05] <Azelphur> like this http://www.irc-junkie.org/2005-05-26/troublemaker-forces-gamesurge-to-gline-isp/ \o/
[08:33] <knightwise> morning everyone
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:18] <zprood> Hi anyone?
[09:19] <popey> hello
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:39] <popey> Morning all
[09:53] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:57] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:00] <czajkowski> bug #775001
[10:06] <czajkowski> popey: you left surrey you're missed :(
[10:07] <popey> hah
[10:07] <popey> so robert can moan at me about his bug
[10:07] <czajkowski> I said I'd poke someone during the week
[10:15] <bigcalm> Ello peeps
[10:15] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[10:15] <bigcalm> Hi brobostigon
[10:32] <livingdaylight> Aloha
[10:33] <brobostigon> morning livingdaylight
[10:33] <scoundrel50a> Hi, the past couple of weeks, I have had a few problems with my router and ISP, and have had to use the Starbucks not far away to use the net. I havent used Ubuntu, as I am not sure its safe enough. I had to use my windows instead. I found something about using OpenVPN, found here.....http://vpnblog.info/ubuntu1010-openvpn-strongvpn.html but I am having a problem. I followed the first step, no problems, then  it asks you to do the second s
[10:33] <scoundrel50a> tep, but where are the configuration file, and for that matter, where is OpenVPN installed to in the first step?
[10:35] <livingdaylight> almost everyone except for RSM and Maureen on this list use Apple macs - http://usesthis.com/archives/
[10:35] <livingdaylight> brobostigon, morning
[10:35] <livingdaylight> scoundrel50a, safe or unsafe in what sense?
[10:37]  * livingdaylight is watching debate on society with or without religion on bbc1 
[10:46] <scoundrel50a> well, I was warned using ubuntu without firewall, that it would be unsafe, hence to use the Openvpn
[10:46] <_serial_> the ports are shut by default with linux right?
[10:47] <_serial_> i use gufw for all my firewall needs, very useful :)
[10:47] <scoundrel50a> using the Starbucks internet
[10:47] <_serial_> ah
[10:47] <_serial_> vpn or tor then :/
[10:48] <scoundrel50a> that is why I asked about installing the vpn, I'm having problems with it. The second part of the install instructions I just dont understand.
[10:48] <scoundrel50a> if you follow the url I gave
[10:48] <danfish> scoundrel50a: or an ssh tunnel - easier to setup IMO
[10:49] <_serial_> x forwarding with ssh?
[10:49] <scoundrel50a> danfish: oh ok, where is an easy set up instruction page for that?
[10:49] <danfish> no - using the -D option to set up a proxy
[10:50] <danfish> scoundrel50a: give me a moment, but the command is ssh -D 8000 remoteserverip, then set the proxy settings to use localhost and port 8000
[10:51] <danfish> http://embraceubuntu.com/2006/12/08/ssh-tunnel-socks-proxy-forwarding-secure-browsing/
[10:54] <scoundrel50a> danfish: what would I need to put in for the username and ip address? How can I find that out?
[10:57] <danfish> scoundrel50a: it does assume that you have an account on a remote server with ssh access
[10:59] <scoundrel50a> danfish: ok, dont know what that is, so how do I get one.
[10:59] <scoundrel50a> I havw my own web server with ssh access is that what you talk about?
[10:59] <danfish> scoundrel50a: yup - that should do
[11:00] <scoundrel50a> oh, so I connect to my server, then how does it work, just open up a browser is it, or do you have to use the terminal?
[11:25] <rindolf> Hi all.
[11:26] <rindolf> How do I install the usleep (1) command on Ubuntu?
[12:08] <dwatkins> rindolf: it's not a command, it's a function in C from what I can tell.
[12:17] <rindolf> dwatkins: it's also a command-line command.
[12:19] <dutchie> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=usleep&mode=&suite=natty&arch=any
[12:19] <dutchie> rindolf: ^^
[12:20] <rindolf> dutchie: hmmm.... I want /bin/usleep
[12:43] <AlanBell> rindolf: what does it do?
[12:43] <rindolf> AlanBell: sleep for certain microseconds.
[12:43] <AlanBell> scoundrel50a: you can forward ports to your current location
[12:44] <AlanBell> scoundrel50a: or use it as a socks proxy on localhost
[12:45] <AlanBell> scoundrel50a: so with the command danfish gave set your firefox settings to use a socks proxy on localhost port 8000
[12:45] <AlanBell> rindolf: the sleep command looks like it takes fractions of seconds
[12:46] <rindolf> AlanBell: micro-seconds.
[12:46] <rindolf> AlanBell: ah, you mean sleep(1)
[12:46] <AlanBell> so sleep 0.001 would sleep for a microsecond
[12:47] <ali1234> good luck with that
[12:47] <scoundrel50a> AlanBell: Sorry it took so long to get back to you, been a bit busy. Just found that in FF about the proxy, can the proxy settings be done in Google Chrome?
[12:47] <ali1234> process init takes well over microseconds
[12:47] <AlanBell> yeah, doubt it is accurate to that level
[12:47] <AlanBell> scoundrel50a: sure
[12:48] <Moschops> Have you got a sleep that takes a floating point number? Mine only takes an int :(
[12:48] <ali1234> yes, sleep from gnu coreutils takes a float
[12:49] <ali1234> at least it does according to the manual page
[12:49] <Moschops> Ossum.
[12:49] <scoundrel50a> AlanBell: ok, thank you, I'll take a look at that. Try it before I go out, see if I can get it to work.
[12:49] <rindolf> ali1234: sleep 0.001 will sleep for a millisecond.
[12:50] <ali1234> time sleep 0.000001
[12:50] <ali1234> real	0m0.003s
[12:50] <scoundrel50a> Is there something like FoxyProxy for Google Chrome?
[12:50] <dutchie> might as well just call /bin/true for that...
[12:50] <ali1234> indeed
[12:54] <Moschops> So, end of the world was cancelled again.
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> gullible much? :)
[12:55] <Moschops> I was hoping for a big dip in the market in the approach. :(
[13:02]  * penguin42 is tempted to submit a bug 'System still works after the end of the world'
[13:06] <Moschops> Maybe it did end, but rebooted. We'd never notice.
[13:24] <gord> if the world did end, all that would be left is millions of computers sitting there with the words "It is now safe to turn off your computer" on the monitor
[13:25] <brobostigon> lol
[14:25] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] How Natty CDs are distributed in the Ubuntu-ie LoCo - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/05/22/how-natty-cds-are-distributed-in-the-ubuntu-ie-loco/
[14:26] <AlanBell> apparently our CDs should have arrived a couple of weeks ago, they didn't so I will find out what happened to them
[14:27] <czajkowski> well lets not jump to alarm bells
[14:27] <czajkowski> they go out in bunches
[14:27] <apacketofsweets> or do they...
[14:27] <czajkowski> I'm sure they'll arrive soon
[14:29] <Pendulum> czajkowski: considering I've been hearing LoCo teams mention getting CDs for at least 2 weeks, I don't think an e-mail saying 'hey, it seems like a lot of other teams have gotten their CDs and I just wanted to make sure you'd received our order', is out of line
[14:29] <czajkowski> oh i know
[14:29] <AlanBell> Pendulum: where did you hear that?
[14:30] <Pendulum> AlanBell: I can't remember. Just saw people talking about it at various points. Maybe in #ubuntu-locoteams
[14:44] <apacketofsweets> has anybody managed to get a wireless modem working via USB? I seem to be having some trouble with my Three dongle. I've fiddled around with the network settings and even dnoe a little work in the terminal, but nothing. Anybody got an idea what could correct this issue?
[14:45] <danfish> apacketofsweets: what's the actual model of the modem?
[14:45] <apacketofsweets> it's a Huawei E5830
[14:46] <danfish> I *think* that mounts as an external disk first
[14:47] <apacketofsweets> Thanks, I'll go investigate!
[14:47] <danfish> and you need to run somethink like usbmodeswitcher
[14:48] <apacketofsweets> great, thanks
[14:57] <Azelphur> anyone know how I'd go about debugging a hang on startup?
[14:57] <Azelphur> it was working, then I installed Ubuntu desktop :(
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: computer startup?
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Try starting without the splash/quiet options
[15:01] <Azelphur> ok :p
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> you should get a load of messages across the screen that way :)
[15:10] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: it hangs at Starting NSM status monitor [ OK ]
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: what's that?
[15:11] <Azelphur> no idea
[15:11] <Azelphur> if it's at all relevant, I'm netbooting :p
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> it's NFS-related
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> No idea what is it though
[15:11] <Azelphur> my netboot share is NFS
[15:11] <Azelphur> fun
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> never used that bit
[15:12] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: probably a hostname lookup failure or something like that
[15:12] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/May%202011/2011-05-22-151110_720x446_scrot.png
[15:14] <penguin42> nfs root is a bit of a black art
[15:14]  * penguin42 hasn't done it for a while
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: the pipefs bit might be related
[15:15] <Azelphur> penguin42: maybe
[15:15] <penguin42> Azelphur: How are you doing the root nfs - by passing root=/dev/nfs or by using an nfs mount in the initrd?
[15:16] <Azelphur> yea
[15:16] <Azelphur> DEFAULT vmlinuz-2.6.38-8-server root=/dev/nfs,rw initrd=initrd.img-2.6.38-8-server nfsroot=192.168.1.80:/nfsroot ip=dhcp rw
[15:20] <Azelphur> maybe I should just try a fresh install of Ubuntu on the nfs drive
[15:21] <penguin42> Azelphur: given the mumbling about nfsv4 you could try forcing the server down to nfsv3
[15:21] <Azelphur> just got more messages, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/May%202011/2011-05-22-152031_720x446_scrot.png
[15:21] <penguin42> Azelphur: Also, there are alternatives - I did have iscsi root working on lucid; but it's broken on natty
[15:21] <Azelphur> took way more than 120 seconds for that to appear
[15:21] <Azelphur> penguin42: it did actually work, I installed ubuntu-desktop and it went up the wall
[15:23] <penguin42> hmm odd
[15:27] <Azelphur> gonna try with a fresh installation of ubuntu desktop on /nfsroot
[15:29] <penguin42> Azelphur: Looking at some notes, there is an option nfsrootdebug you can pass - not sure it will help
[15:30] <penguin42> Azelphur: The other thought if you've just put ubuntu-desktop in is whether it's picked up networkmanager and it's doing something evil to your networking
[15:30] <Azelphur> haha
[15:32] <Azelphur> penguin42: genius, your right.
[15:32] <Azelphur> got it to boot now :D
[15:32] <penguin42> yeh!
[15:32] <Azelphur> a quick tweak in /etc/network/interfaces, and we're off.
[15:32]  * Azelphur hugs penguin42
[15:34] <penguin42> so how many of the machines have you got on so far?
[15:34] <Azelphur> 1, now that I have netboot working we should bounce up to 4 pretty quickly :)
[16:00] <Myrtti> hello dearies :-)
[16:00] <Myrtti> and greetings from downtown San Francisco
[16:01] <Pendulum> hiya Myrtti
[16:01] <Myrtti> :-D
[16:01] <DJones> Afternoon/Morning Myrtti
[16:05] <daftykins> helloooo
[16:05] <daftykins> ooh i've always wanted to visit SF
[16:19] <DJones> As soon as SF was mentioned, it reminded me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P7_jSDF9yw
[16:23] <daftykins> Michael Douglas was YOUNG!?
[16:24] <AlanBell> o/ Myrtti
[16:32] <Myrtti> daftykins: my second time here, were here last year
[16:32] <Myrtti> well, not here to be precise
[16:32] <Myrtti> but Bay area
[16:32] <daftykins> neat
[16:33] <daftykins> steal a muscle car and bounce and jump up and down the crazy hill streets yet? :>
[16:36] <Myrtti> nah
[16:37] <Myrtti> argh, need to stop munching candy popcorn
[16:38] <Azelphur> Anyone got any ideas on this ATI problem? http://pastebin.com/mLYxgVFd
[16:39] <daftykins> yep you own ATI
[16:39] <daftykins> (sorry)
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> [    18.649] (WW) fglrx(0): * kernel module (fglrx.ko) may be missing or incompatible *
[16:39] <Azelphur> lol
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> don't use fglrx
[16:39] <Azelphur> I need to use fglrx
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> No, you don't.
[16:39] <daftykins> lol
[16:39] <daftykins> this may go on for a long time
[16:39] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: open driver can do opencl?
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: does it need to?
[16:39] <Azelphur> yes.
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: in that case, install fglrx properly, and not half ;)
[16:40] <Azelphur> I used jockey to install it
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> did you also reboot?
[16:40] <Azelphur> yes
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> --> support@amd.com
[16:41] <Azelphur> :(
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: try the Wiki :)
[16:43] <daftykins> Azelphur: what changed between it working and not? or is it someones that hasn't yet worked?
[16:43] <Azelphur> it hasn't yet worked :p
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> what happens if you boot from disk instead of net?
[16:44] <Laney> BAH
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> Laney: ?
[16:44] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: the disk one works, it's the netbooted boxes I'm having issues with \o/
[16:44] <Laney> deleted a git clone before i'd pushed the patches
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: that should give you a clue where to search :)
[16:45] <Azelphur> I see a difference, the main node has /lib/modules/2.6.38-8-generic/updates/dkms/fglrx.ko but the netboot ones don't
[16:45] <Azelphur> guess I want the generic kernel :)
[16:46] <MartijnVdS> why are you netbooting anyway?
[16:46] <MartijnVdS> netboot = teh scarey
[16:46] <Azelphur> got a few boxes
[16:47] <Azelphur> is there any way I can force a manual dkms run?
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: man dkms :)
[16:48] <Azelphur> \o/
[17:26] <ali1234> Azelphur: you may as well go gentoo, it's very netboot friendly and you might even save some power
[17:27] <Azelphur> maybe
[17:54] <dannyb> hello
[18:44]  * daubers puts star wars on the telle
[18:44] <brobostigon> which hnnel?
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> "HDMI1"
[18:44] <brobostigon> :(
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> Star Trel
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> blah
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> star trek: voy on sky atlantic..
[18:45] <brobostigon> dont have that channel.
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> neither do I
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> I think
[18:47] <brobostigon> ok.
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> I have syfy though
[18:47] <brobostigon> i dont, :(
[18:48] <livingdaylight> I heard one can opt for regular gnome desktop at login, but don't see the option, anyone?
[18:48] <daubers> MartijnVdS: On my current telly, it's actually AV1 :(
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Aww :(
[18:49] <daubers> MartijnVdS: New telle at the end of the month though \o/ Finally banishing the last CRT in the house
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> hm, I need a new sports watch/heart-rate monitor/etc.
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> this one's running out of battery
[18:51] <daubers> Thought you where going to say it had a CRT in it then!
[18:51] <daubers> Would have been most impressed
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> (and the buttons don't like the 1.5 year worth of sweat/gunk-buildup :))
[18:57] <livingdaylight> nice to be in Ubuntu classic again
[18:57] <shauno> was about to ask if you found it yet :)  tricky bugger doesn't appear until you've already entered your username
[18:58] <livingdaylight> shauno, yea, that's what threw me
[19:09] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: grr, I just copied the (working) OS from the master node to the nfsroot
[19:09] <Azelphur> and I still have the same issue
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: maybe it isn't finding the .ko early enough during  boot?
[19:10] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[19:11] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: fglrx is loaded though :p
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: is the Xorg driver the same version as the kernel driver?
[19:11] <Azelphur> how do I tell?
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> dpkg -l?
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> check Xorg.0.log for the version number?
[19:12] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: what package?
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> the fglrx ones
[19:13] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/Siy1809x
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> [    20.835] (EE) fglrx(0): Not enough video memory to allocate primary surface (frame buffer).
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Is that all of Xorg.0.log?
[19:14] <Azelphur> nope, lemme paste up the whole thing
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: also, dpkg -l \*fglrx\*
[19:16] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/81XHi8CG
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> [    20.824] (II) fglrx(0): Kernel Module version matches driver.
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: how much RAM do those cards ahve?
[19:17] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: 1GB
[19:17] <Azelphur> they arn't weak cards
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> No, but maybe they're too good? :)
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> and this is after a clean install + jockey?
[19:20] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: this is an install that works direct from hdd :p
[19:20] <Azelphur> and yea, this is with jockey, tempted to try a clean install though
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> I'd file a bug
[19:26] <Azelphur> I'll try completely fresh first :P
[19:47] <penguin42> Azelphur: got a dmesg off that box?
[19:47] <Azelphur> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/611531/
[19:48] <penguin42> Azelphur: Was your local install with teh server kernel or generic?
[19:48] <Azelphur> server
[19:53] <penguin42> Azelphur: Is it a clash between the KMS stuff and commercial driver? the dmesg shows 1G video ram
[19:53] <Azelphur> I have no idea
[19:54] <penguin42> I've not tried the commercial drivers for a while, but you might try disabling kms
[19:55] <Azelphur> I'mma give it a quick run with stock Ubuntu desktop
[19:55] <penguin42> Azelphur: Ah there's an error in the dmesg
[19:55] <Azelphur> then it has no excuse to not work :)
[19:55] <Azelphur> oO, an error :o
[19:56] <penguin42> Azelphur: Xorg:881 conflicting memory types c0000000-c1068000 uncached-minus<->write-combining       reserve_memtype failed 0xc0000000-0xc1068000, track write-combining, req write-combining        [fglrx:KCL_MEM_VM_MapRegion] *ERROR* remap_pfn_range failed
[19:56] <Azelphur> fun, that looks very relevant
[19:57] <penguin42> Azelphur: Check for a bios update on the motherboard
[19:58] <Azelphur> will do if it persists with a stock install
[19:59] <penguin42> it's also possible that grub doing the video mode switching is somehow getting something initialised that the netboot process isn't
[20:00] <Azelphur> penguin42: another fun idea :p
[20:14] <Azelphur> penguin42: think I found out part of the problem, my nfs clients can't set permissions on the server.
[20:15] <Azelphur> that's no doubt causing some breakage \o/
[20:15] <penguin42> Azelphur: Add no_root_squash to the export line on the server
[20:16] <Azelphur> penguin42: I already have that \o/
[20:16] <penguin42> hmph
[20:16] <Azelphur>  /nfsroot        *(rw,no_root_squash,async,insecure,no_subtree_check)
[20:16] <penguin42> yeh that looks OK
[20:17] <Azelphur> but when I use cp -ax to the nfs share it spams "cp: failed to preserve ownership for <file>: invalid argument
[20:19] <Azelphur> penguin42: sounds like switching to nfsv3 like you said would be a good idea :D
[20:19] <Azelphur> although I'm not sure on how to switch to it
[20:23] <gord> awesome, my router password magically changed
[20:23] <Azelphur> gord: love it when that happens :D
[20:23] <gord> its like it asking me to replace it
[20:24] <Azelphur> penguin42: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1598588 this looks like me :D
[20:24]  * penguin42 goes
[20:25] <penguin42> Azelphur: It could be NFSv4 ID mapping, it got clever - v3 and easier are pretty dumb
[20:26] <penguin42> anyway, tv time
[20:26] <Azelphur> :)
[20:28] <Azelphur> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/662711 yay, this is exactly what I'm having \o/
[20:29] <may88_> #openpandora
[20:29] <may88_> nope! I'm a stupid IRC newbie!
[20:30] <Azelphur> haha
[20:31] <may88_> Hello world, Just installed xchat client
[20:31] <AlanBell> hello may88_
[20:31] <may88_> how do I get firebox to associate with xchat when I click on a link
[20:31] <may88_> hello AlanBell
[20:33] <AlanBell> hope someone else bids on the monitor I am winning on ebay at the moment
[20:33] <gord> may88_, what happens when you click a link now?
[20:33] <gord> AlanBell, stop going on ebay after you have had a few drinks ;)
[20:34] <AlanBell> I put £25 on three different monitors in the hope that I might win one
[20:34] <AlanBell> picked up two this evening, and there are 30 minutes before I win another
[20:34] <gord> haha, oh dear
[20:35] <may88_> gord: dialogue box saying firefox doesn't know what to run for IRC.
[20:35] <nigelb> AlanBell: what! isn't 25 GBP cheap?
[20:35] <gord> may88_, is that what it actually says? can you screenshot it?
[20:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Are they LCD? What size/res?
[20:36] <AlanBell> nigelb: yeah, got one for £15 with some scratches, one £20 pretty much mint and the other is £21 at the moment
[20:36] <AlanBell> LCD 17 inch 1280x1024
[20:36] <nigelb> wow
[20:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> VGA/DVI?
[20:36] <nigelb> AlanBell: well, you can use it at events with an arm board connected :p
[20:36] <AlanBell> the ones I got today have VGA and DVI
[20:36] <nigelb> just to display schedule or tweets or something
[20:37] <gord> AlanBell, get another one, have them in a 2x2 config, create the super monitor.
[20:37] <gord> i mean, in for a penny in for a pound
[20:37] <AlanBell> :)
[20:37] <may88_> Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (irc) isn't associated with any program.
[20:37] <gord> and evidence shows you'll have a hard time selling the spares...
[20:38] <may88_> Firefox doesn't seem to allow you to add an association and I can't find anything under the System menu (yet)
[20:38] <gord> ahh so the problem is you are clicking irc:// links
[20:38] <gord> they should open in firefox okay
[20:39] <AlanBell> may88_: preferences, applications, find content type irc, use the action dropdown
[20:39] <may88_> irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/openpandora
[20:39] <may88_> indeed
[20:39] <may88_> but they don't
[20:40] <may88_> I don't have an IRC application listed  under Prefs->applications
[20:40] <AlanBell> odd
[20:41] <AlanBell> I have, it is offering to open them in mibbit
[20:41] <gord> i would guess its something that gets installed with the application, maybe xchat doesn't install one?
[20:41] <may88_> maybe it's the way I installed it.
[20:42] <may88_> just selected the package from synaptic PM.
[20:43] <may88_> Seem to be no option in xchat to associate itself either.
[20:43] <may88_> Is Xchat the best option for Ubuntu in your opinions?
[20:44] <may88_> Bitchx seems to popular but I could not find that in the repo
[20:44] <gord> xchat isn't the default that we ship, i use it - but others prefer others, its down to taste really
[20:45] <gord> if its not in the repo's you shouldn't use it without a very good reason (tm)
[20:46] <may88_> I know no different atm.  Ignorance is bliss.
[20:47] <AlanBell> it is in .mozilla/firefox/<random string>/mimeTypes.rdf
[20:47] <may88_> just need to suss how to hack the file association list... off to try a file manager
[20:48] <may88_> ^okay - I'll look there. Cheers
[20:50] <AlanBell> who broke paste.ubuntu.com??
[20:50] <AlanBell> "PHP and other Web scripts are not allowed"
[20:51] <AlanBell> well what is the *point* of it if you can't paste useful stuff!
[20:51] <AlanBell> may88_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/611553/
[20:52] <AlanBell> that is it, but without <?xml version="1.0"?> at the top because paste.ubuntu.com is being silly
[20:52] <AlanBell> line 19 is the irc association
[20:54] <may88_> thanks as I don't speak XML fluently. :p
[21:05] <AlanBell> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320696483611 I am full of win
[21:07] <popey> eww 1280x1024
[21:08] <AlanBell> better than 1024x768
[21:08] <popey> debateable ☺
[21:10] <AlanBell> well I now have 4 17 inch monitors for my kids
[21:10] <popey> haha
[21:10] <AlanBell> and 3 kids
[21:10] <Hornet-> so 1.333333333 monitors each?
[21:11] <AlanBell> and one of them has a laptop anyhow that doesn't need a monitor
[21:11] <AlanBell> one can go to mum & dad, they have a 15 inch 1024x768 at the moment
[21:12] <popey> hmm, I'll buy one off you
[21:12] <popey> save you wasting
[21:12] <popey> if you want
[21:13]  * dutchie looks at 23" sat in corner waiting for a suitable computer
[21:13] <AlanBell> I might be able to rearrange things in a useful way
[21:13] <popey> ok, well if you have one spare, let me know
[21:13] <AlanBell> actually I like having a 4:3 monitor to use on the output of my projector
[21:15] <AlanBell> I will keep the £15 one with the bad scratches for that I think
[21:16]  * popey notes 1280x1024 isnt 4:3 ☺
[21:16] <popey> its 5:4
[21:16] <popey> which is why it sucks
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> you could leave black bars
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> like TVs do
[21:21] <AlanBell> hmm, interesting
[21:21] <AlanBell> I will try one through the projector and see what happens
[21:25] <popey> (hence why I said eww 1280x1024 in the first place)
[21:29] <AlanBell> works just fine
[21:29] <AlanBell> 1024x768 fills the screen, guess the aspect ratio is slightly wrong when it does that
[21:30] <popey> yeah, you get oblong pixels
[21:30] <AlanBell> good enough for that purpose
[21:36] <gord> hrm, if you use apt-cache but upgrade a bunch of stuff at the same time, do they all pull the same cached content or does the cache only kick in once a file has been downloaded once
[21:41] <DJones> This bloke has had too much time on his hands http://www.peaceman.de/blog/index.php/lego-technic-super-8-movie-projector Now what did I do with my lego
[21:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> DJones: That's great - I've just sent that link to my 10yr old Lego mad son. But I had to explain what a projector was too...
[21:47] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: Heh, I wondered what would prompt somebody to think of building anything like that
[21:47]  * TheOpenSourcerer goes in search of some strong liquor to take to bed as he continues "The girl who kicked the Hornet's nest"
[22:20] <may88_> AlanBell: thanks for your help.  Not working but errors differently.  Giving up for now.
[22:39] <kkitano> yzom
[23:24]  * popey wonders what JamesTait is doing in Argentina