[08:47] Maaz, coffee on [08:47] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [08:48] morning superfly inetpro nuvolari and all ya others [08:49] morning oom Kilos [08:50] hey superfly i have kubuntu on a 6g drive. looks very interesting but lotsa learning to setup and find everything [08:50] Kilos: yeah, it's fairly different to Ubuntu, especially after the switch to Unity [08:50] maybe if i can get hold of inetpro i can get his /var/cache/apt/archives [08:51] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [08:51] that should save me the large updates and downloads hey? [08:52] Maaz, rusks please [08:52] Sorry Kilos I only have Romany Creams today [08:52] mostly [08:52] Maaz, romany creams please [08:52] Only 2 Kilos Otherwise no one else gets any [08:53] well i will see if i get him here today and try arrange something with him [08:53] how are you and the family superfly [08:54] its cold here in ptown [08:56] oh and ians modem works with natty [08:56] ja, it's cold here too [08:56] ja, I figured it would [09:00] the new kubuntu nm works great [09:09] yeah [10:09] morning all [10:15] good morning ppl [10:16] hi n8wulf [10:16] I'm trying the 'can't beat them join them' thing with Unity [10:16] lol [10:17] unity is not that bad if you use it for a while [10:17] and use the api for some things [10:17] morning oom Kilos [10:17] i got my ssh menu back with unity [10:17] eish [10:17] hi nuvolari [10:17] just in a diffrent place [10:18] just heard boet was attacked at home last night. in hospital in critical state [10:18] hi Morganvd [10:18] I've had an interesting journey with Ubuntu thus far... Started with Mint,went Ultimate edition for about a year, then tried ZorinOS, then PinguyOS... [10:18] :/ [10:18] my condolences oom [10:19] ty [10:19] sorry to hear that Kilos [10:19] hey n8wulf [10:19] hope he gets well soon [10:20] thanks guys [10:20] n8wulf: what do you mean you can't beat them? [10:20] and now I got tired with the Background little Wallpaper changers and stuff hogging resources, so now I'm gonna try Virgin Install plus my own Custom Installs. [10:20] All the serious Nix users end up going Virgin Install and doing the Mods themselves [10:21] so seeing as I've been using Ubuntu Flavs for close to 3 years, it's time to try flying on my own [10:22] you mean linux from scratch? [10:22] or just ubuntu cli with your own mods [10:22] O no!!!... No I'm too lazy [10:22] so if I say Virgin I mean an original 11.04 install [10:23] then installing and theme-ing as I see fit [10:23] lol k [10:24] I've done the Conky and AWN and Modding thing enough to start from scratch (not Linux from Scratch ) [10:24] but I do have a side project with Linux from Scratch we are busy with [10:25] ppl, how do I add a 'auto join a channel' in Empathy? [10:25] favourites [10:25] i use weechat so cant tell you how again with the irc plugin [10:26] I come from Pidgin [10:26] * nlsthzn waves [10:27] thanx for the 'Favs' hint [10:27] brb [10:31] anyone here ever seen www.live-office.net ? [10:35] guess not [10:37] nope soz [10:38] Morganvd: ^5 @ weechat [10:38] lo nlsthzn [10:39] who needs a live-office when you have vi? [10:39] :P [10:41] nuvolari: i love weechat ever since i tried it [10:41] it never fails i never lag and its made me more effective [10:41] im still learning vi [10:42] Morganvd: some people prefer irssi or bitchx, but I don't fancy either [10:42] nuvolari: hi... I use nano (when and if needed :p) [10:42] I might try irssi again one day for it's proxy features [10:43] nlsthzn: so you're afraid of the cli? :P [10:43] i still want to do a gentoo system i hear it very fast [10:43] or linux from scratch [10:43] nuvolari: not afraid, but careful :p [10:43] rofl [10:44] Morganvd: well, it depends on what needs to be fast :P [10:44] Ubuntu came a long way and it's doing pretty well [10:44] Morganvd: these days a custom Gentoo build is no faster than a normal Ubuntu install [10:45] I had gentoo on my netbook for about a month, but had no advantages over ubuntu (from my experience) [10:45] ye, what superfly said ;P [10:48] well i can say im using crunchbang on my netbook and its 1000% faster than 11.04 on my netbook [10:49] on the crucnhbang topic [10:49] typo... lol [10:50] anyway, I'm trying to find a distro to use on old P2 pc's with 32mb ram maximum... any ideas? Crunchbang, CruncEEE or Puppie? [10:50] I think the only distro that I would think of trying out now (make it 2) will be ArchLinux and Fedora [10:50] I cant find old Ubuntu's like 6.04 anywhere [10:50] well eather puppy or crunchbang [10:51] n8wulf: DSL? [10:51] Eish [10:51] heard alot of Anti DSL comments [10:52] oh [10:52] i tried dsl a few weeks ago [10:52] not up to date [10:52] preffer puppy to it [10:52] but i suppose the proof is in the Pudding [10:52] Morganvd: Puppy vs Crunchbang experiences? [10:53] i have 2 p3 laptops here at home not doing much so i downloaded a children version of puppy [10:53] on my netbook crunchbang runs like a dream [10:53] thats the Big one with all the games, right? [10:53] on my little laptops puppy is better for my eed [10:53] no its hansam something [10:54] k, so the kiddies one, usual puppy + games? [10:54] hdd size needed? any idea/ [10:54] ? [10:54] cause I've got 2Gb hdd's here [10:54] 500mg [10:55] Naas [10:55] did you try the Hansamben flavour? [10:56] thats the one i have for them [10:56] my twins are 2 [10:57] cool, looking at a review now [10:57] the others have big machines all use ubuntu [10:57] my eldest is 3 now... but the PCs are for Primary School use [10:57] so if it works, I'll rig Amore as well [10:58] 11 year old has a quad core with ubuntu natty [10:58] Hmm... Lucky No 11 [10:58] 9 year old has a duel core with natty made it pink as she is my only little girl [10:58] cool [10:58] sure she's luvin it [10:58] 3 year old has a duel core running qumo [10:58] qumo? [10:59] and the twins have the lappies p3's with han sam be [10:59] hansamben [10:59] qumo is a ubuntu kids distro [11:00] http://www.qimo4kids.com/ [11:00] soz its qimo [11:00] thank you, will check that one quick too [11:02] dual core for the Qimo because it needs it, or because you have a lot of "PassMeDowns"? [11:02] 'cause just tell me where the queue ends, I'll join in at the back [11:07] n8wulf: where are you from? [11:13] boet ok. just cracked ribs and traumatised but at least he home [11:15] good to hear... so don't make any jokes in front of him, will leave him with Side Splitting Laughter, literally [11:17] face bashed up from being pistol whipped as well and lotsa lumps on head [11:17] Morganvd , you still there? [11:18] OMG!!! [11:18] sigh [11:18] thats really not nice [11:18] I got Hijacked a cpl yrs ago, luckily got out without a scratch [11:18] no but at least he is alive [11:19] wow [11:19] tough in africa hey [11:19] jip... so now he's a member of the Seriously Racist Group? [11:20] hehe [11:20] say no more [11:20] thanks for letting me share guys [11:20] did they rob you of anything? [11:21] his top of the range hp laptop and blackberry and cash [11:21] as you said, I've seen ppl get shot for less, so he's fortunate [11:21] so all his cvs and contacts gone [11:22] does he use Ubuntu? [11:22] he been looking for work for last 3 months [11:22] but most are for overseas places like china [11:22] no he stuck with win 7 [11:22] get him Dropbox for Win$ next time around [11:22] he says too much to learn something new [11:23] what ever [11:23] Win7 has higher learning curve than Ubuntu at this point of the race [11:24] he had a Blackberry... well, Unity is taking Ubuntu to the Smartphone level in interfaces [11:24] so if he can use his BB, he can Unity [11:27] i will try to get him on it. but he is not one that can use cli and stuff like here [11:27] he stuck on put in cd and install [11:34] well, 99% of all installs can happen in Synaptic, Software Centre and via .deb so ppl can really stop worrying about cli [11:34] n8wulf: sorry had to put the kids down to sleep [11:35] that time already? [11:35] mine only does the nap thing at 2pm [11:35] mid afternoon nap [11:35] cool, take a deep breath [11:35] relax [11:35] it's Sunday afternoon [11:35] we find 12 works better then they dont stay awake till 22h00 [11:36] Oh is that why?!! [11:36] ;-d [11:36] ;-b [11:36] yip all my kids pass out at 8h00 [11:36] 20h00 [11:36] yeah, but my wife is pregs already, so what will we do after that at the moment? [11:37] well those that did not know what i was talking about [11:37] most parnets dont realize that they need some time [11:37] after 8 its time for me and mommy to chat and things [11:38] do you perhaps pls have a direct download link to the HanSamBen you are using, I don't see myself working through 19 pgs of Forums, pls? [11:39] there was someone who updated it to a newer version of puppy [11:39] will get you the link now [11:39] thank you [11:40] meantime, anybody know if there's a way to set the sidebar in Unity to not disappear, i.e. autohide? [11:43] yeah compize [11:43] compiz* [11:44] install the compiz-manager [11:44] oh, that was on my ToDo list [11:50] found it, thanx [11:50] and then I saw I can just press the 'Super' key when I need it to show [11:50] which is better [11:57] yeah i have a nice todo list after a natty install will get it for you now [11:57] http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/things-to-tweak-fix-after-installing.html [11:58] oh my goodness [11:58] thanx for sharing [11:58] will delicious it [12:08] Morganvd, any news on the HanSamBen link pls? [12:14] http://208.109.22.214/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=49124&sid=79ed546e3de9aff168e5b210449b6d6e [12:15] i used the retro one [12:15] ty, I was on this one: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=41454&start=255 [12:16] way too much reading [12:16] will use retro as well due to HW specs [12:33] here's another nice ToDo for Unity: [12:33] http://soluitionpoint.com/news/8-useful-ubuntu-unity-quicklists/ [12:33] i was gonna telling you about it [12:33] i use the ssh menu one and the libre office one [12:33] lol [12:33] alot [12:34] will use them as well, I do a lot of remote Gui support, VNC (remmina) so will add that as well if possible [12:35] Naas... i like the Custom cmds for Terminal as well [12:35] I've got a bunch of scripts I run a lot, will Point&Click them [12:38] do you know of a Quick way to restart Unity? I kinda made it need Pampers [12:38] and I don't want to logout/in at the mo [12:39] unity --restart [12:43] nope ... no such thing. but just 'unity' does the trick though [12:43] or --reset [12:43] will throw it back to defaults yes, thanx [12:44] just running unity on its own will spawn another session on top of the old one [12:44] Dawg [12:44] ok, so I will do the Log Out thing quick [12:45] just unity --reset [12:45] it fixes everything [12:45] even the 2nd instance I opened? [12:45] started I mean [12:45] it should [12:46] and i guess you know you should run these commands from the run dialog [12:46] neat trick I learned yesterday I gotta share with you [12:46] o [12:47] * Kerbero listens [12:47] soz i meant reset [12:47] if u got a Granadella that went all dry and looks like a Rosyntjie, just put it in a Glass of water for an hour or so [12:48] voila! nice and juicy again [12:48] haha [12:48] nice [12:48] so guess what's for lunch... [12:53] any of you know what a Diesel (the drink) is? [12:56] beer shandy but with Coke instead of sprite... dis lekker [12:56] and if you let the glass stand for a while it starts looking like Diesel, for real [12:57] http://twitpic.com/5118dw [12:59] that is Soooooo sweet [14:05] i really hate overlaying scroll bars [14:24] me thinks I'm gonna hate the stupid sidebar in Unity [14:24] if I set it on AutoHide, it just never Unhides [14:24] side bar i can handle [14:25] its dam overlaying scrollbars breaking some of the other apps [14:25] if I set it to the default, I can't convince it to show unless I press the 'Super' key [14:25] I saw u mentioned earlier. and the scrollbar is not really Laptop Touchpad friendly either [14:26] and Empathy is also reaaally quirky [14:27] I had to reboot after my Unity completely crashed, no default Sign in again to my IRC accounts... and still no Favourite Channels [14:28] if i click on Conversation at the top, Fav Chat Room for this channel is selected [14:28] yeah [14:28] and our local isp have found out caching [14:29] but still not showing in the Empathy IM clients list. Why? what's the caching doing? [14:30] now they caching repos with broken packages [14:30] i know its the isp [14:30] rofl [14:30] becuase when i log inwith my 3G the same repo works [14:31] suppose they've got caching on, but it's only caching parts of the files [14:31] so the cahce size is set too small [14:31] and set to cache ALL traffic I suppose [14:32] any idea how to get Maximised windows to not overlap the Unity sidebar? [14:33] if I set the sidebar to permanent on? [14:33] i have it on perma on but it goes behind the window in max window mode [14:34] see, there in lies the problem [14:36] yip [14:37] but i cannot get my head around gnome 3 either [14:38] I officially just sat and Hyper Ventilated out of frustration. the freakin sidebar F*&^%$#$%^& [14:38] and now I resorted to giggles [14:39] giggles? [14:41] jip, also frustration [14:41] ok, so I figured if I set the sidebar to Dodge Active windows only, then it's currently more accessible [15:07] Morganvd: do u currently have Unity running? [15:08] my sidebar does not behave like this: http://images.sageek.co.za/rvw/unity8.png [15:09] I don't have any available MouseOver events (subMenus) that pop up [15:13] so, it turns out in order to have this: http://i.imgur.com/4eB1O.png when my Windows are maximized, I need a Bug as mentioned here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/31152/maximized-windows-on-unity-start-without-covering-the-sidebar-how-can-i-do-that [15:28] sleeping or watching series? [16:49] n8wulf: sleeping [16:49] was sleeping :P [18:21] hey everyone [18:22] To upgrade from cd (from Maverick to Natty) must I boot from cd? [18:23] i don't think so [18:24] what happens if you just insert the cd while you are in ubuntu [18:24] You here or busy superfly ? [18:24] hi Wolfeyes [18:24] Nothing. It mounts Kerbero . [18:24] Hey superfly [18:25] Wolfeyes: you must *not* boot into the CD [18:25] Ok [18:25] mount the CD [18:25] Ok [18:25] then run the the cdromupgrade script in the root of the CD [18:26] you need to run it as root, and using the full path of the script [18:26] so if your CD is mounted at /media/cdrom you need to run "sudo /media/cdrom/cdromupgrade" [18:26] Ok so when you insert it, and it shows on your desktop, it mounts? You mean like that? [18:27] Wolfeyes: Ubuntu or Kubuntu? [18:27] Kubuntu [18:27] when the device manager pops up, click on the CD and then click on "open with Dolphin" [18:28] No device manager opened! [18:29] it is the Kubuntu alternate, is this correct? [18:29] Wolfeyes: the little thing that slides up on the bottom right hand side of your screen? [18:30] Ok hold on, I do not have that, I am in Maverick ubuntu right now, superfly [18:31] Wolfeyes: I asked youi f you were in Ubuntu or Kubuntu, and you said Kubuntu! [18:31] oh sorry, misread, i thought you meant upgrading too. [18:32] Wolfeyes: using the alternate CD you pretty much have to upgrade Ubuntu to Ubuntu [18:32] I am using UBuntu Maverick and want to upgrade to Kubuntu Natty superfly [18:32] you can upgrade Ubuntu to Kubuntu, but the majority of the applications on each of the CDs are different [18:33] I'm not 100% sure if you can do that with the alternate CD via the upgrade script [18:33] Another one then? [18:33] the best would be upgrading from Ubuntu to Ubuntu [18:33] Ok [18:33] what you *could* possibly do is mount the CD [18:34] then add it to your sources.list file using the "apt-cdrom" command [18:34] ok [18:35] then "sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop", followed by "sudo apt-get update" [18:35] When you say mount, you mean see it mounted it on the desktop or mount it in another place? [18:35] and then "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" [18:35] when I say mount, I mean you most likely need to have opened it in nautilus first [18:39] Ok so when you double click on it, it opens, is this what you call Nautilus superfly ? Sorry I haven't had the computer for ages. Forgotten a lot. [18:41] nautilus is the file manager in Ubuntu, dolphin is the file manager in Kubuntu [18:42] ok [18:46] Then I have Nautilus open, and can see all the folders in the cd superfly . Which cd should be in? Kubuntu normal or Kubuntu Alternate? superfly . Ok Kilos suggested somethign now, would it not be better to make an install next to it to see if it works? I am having lots of problems with this Gigabyte mb. [18:47] the alternate [18:47] if you have the space, sure go ahead [18:47] ok thank you, let me try that first. [18:47] be back in a bit [18:47] thank you superfly [18:48] I chat to you from Kilo's pc. [18:55] *SIGH* [18:55] * Symmetria spies problems on mirror.ac.za [18:55] too much smoking Symmetria ? [18:55] :P [18:55] lo oom Kilos [18:56] lo nuvolari [18:56] hi guys [18:56] nuvolari GAH, musta been a faulty batch of disks in one of the sans [18:57] we just blew 3 x 2TB disks in the same san within 40 minutes of each other [18:57] got ians modem here so he can get help with kubuntu alongside installation [18:57] thank god I have a copy of almost everything on that san, so now its just a matter of synching the backup and then bringing it back up [18:57] heh, dunno how outta sync the backup is though, its a 22 TB backup copy [18:59] * nuvolari wipes away a tear [18:59] hehe his pc rattles on an off like an old skedonk [18:59] that amount of disk space sounds beautiful [18:59] hehe [19:00] lol Kilos [19:00] Kilos: but it's still working eh oom? [19:00] so weird and its a sata drive as well [19:00] yeah it works [19:02] is there a difference in install speeds with kubuntu and ubuntu [19:02] kubuntu seems kinda slow with the install or am i imagining it [19:04] still havent even got to where we wanna install it to [19:06] im sure this gigabyte thing runs in reverse gear all the time [19:13] Kilos: i doubt there's much of a diference [19:14] Kilos: did you try using the alternate cd, it's got an old-style installer, but it works in more cases than the fancy GUI one [19:23] using kubuntu but slow as mollasses and seems to not see 100g of partition somewhere [19:24] can one actually install to /dev/sda5 [19:24] will it just at a link to the bootloader [19:26] if only there wasnt xp and mavericki already here things would be simpler [19:45] we trying to use sda5 with /root//boot /home partitions in in but i dunno whats gonna happen. we will see [19:45] said the blind man [19:53] mirror.ac.za should be stable again in a coupla hours [19:53] I'm just bringing certain things back into sync on diskspace5 and then will deactivate diskspace4 and swing everything onto there [19:54] and then figure out what the hell is wrong with diskspace4 [19:54] probably only have 100gig or so that I need to sync [20:06] Kilos: are you in the live CD? [20:07] yip. we started again with my cd rom [20:07] think his dvdrom faulty as well [20:08] OK, like I said earlier, the Alternate CD's installer is not pretty, but usually works better than the Live CD's installer [20:09] will try that if we dont win now ty. cdrom faster than his dvdrom [20:09] ok, cool [20:10] heh, thank god for bandwidth [20:10] I am using 1.2gigabit/second fixing mirror.ac.za LOL [20:11] eish Symmetria [20:12] Symmetria: your not with IS are you [20:12] Morganvd no, IS doesnt have that kinda spare bandwidth :) we do [20:12] no im asking as it seems all the uncapped accoutns they ttrying to cache the repos [20:12] and they breakin git [20:12] *HRM* they are caching the ubuntu repos? [20:13] yeah [20:13] thats kinda... messed up since its all local [20:13] I can speak to someone in the morning about that if you want [20:13] i keep getting stupid file hash missmatch [20:13] email me a reminder please, aa@tenet.ac.za [20:13] but if i plug in my 3g same repo no problme [20:13] which repo are you using btw? [20:14] za.archive [20:14] they will automatically cache almost anything international, za.archive though should not be cached [20:14] but once its broken package [20:14] it does not matter where i try download it from DSL [20:14] email me a reminder and I'll take it up with them [20:14] dont have your mail addy [20:14] its senseless them caching mirror.ac.za since mirror.ac.za = via peering with them and there is more capacity than god there [20:14] aa@tenet.ac.za :) [20:15] Morganvd, Symmetria: yeah, I had the same a few weeks ago [20:15] i tried talking to lantic about it [20:15] but they useless [20:15] one of their transparent proxies are caching things [20:15] im thining of switching to gamco [20:15] heh, I will take it up with IS tomorrow [20:15] shouldnt be a huge issue to get resolved [20:15]