[08:47] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[08:47]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:48] <Kilos> morning superfly inetpro nuvolari  and all ya others
[08:49] <superfly> morning oom Kilos
[08:50] <Kilos> hey superfly i have kubuntu on a 6g drive. looks very interesting but lotsa learning to setup and find everything
[08:50] <superfly> Kilos: yeah, it's fairly different to Ubuntu, especially after the switch to Unity
[08:50] <Kilos> maybe if i can get hold of inetpro i can get his /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:51] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[08:51] <Kilos> that should save me the large updates and downloads hey?
[08:52] <Kilos> Maaz, rusks please
[08:52] <Maaz> Sorry Kilos I only have Romany Creams today
[08:52] <superfly> mostly
[08:52] <Kilos> Maaz, romany creams please
[08:52] <Maaz> Only 2 Kilos Otherwise no one else gets any
[08:53] <Kilos> well i will see if i get him here today and try arrange something with him
[08:53] <Kilos> how are you and the family superfly 
[08:54] <Kilos> its cold here in ptown
[08:56] <Kilos> oh and ians modem works with natty
[08:56] <superfly> ja, it's cold here too
[08:56] <superfly> ja, I figured it would
[09:00] <Kilos> the new kubuntu nm works great
[09:09] <superfly> yeah
[10:09] <Morganvd> morning all
[10:15] <n8wulf> good morning ppl
[10:16] <Kilos> hi n8wulf 
[10:16] <n8wulf> I'm trying the 'can't beat them join them' thing with Unity
[10:16] <Morganvd> lol
[10:17] <Morganvd> unity is not that bad if you use it for a while
[10:17] <Morganvd> and use the api for some things
[10:17] <nuvolari> morning oom Kilos 
[10:17] <Morganvd> i got my ssh menu back with unity
[10:17] <Kilos> eish
[10:17] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[10:17] <Morganvd> just in a diffrent place
[10:18] <Kilos> just heard boet was attacked at home last night. in hospital in critical state
[10:18] <Kilos> hi Morganvd 
[10:18] <n8wulf> I've had an interesting journey with Ubuntu thus far... Started with Mint,went Ultimate edition for about a year, then tried ZorinOS, then PinguyOS...
[10:18] <nuvolari> :/
[10:18] <nuvolari> my condolences oom 
[10:19] <Kilos> ty
[10:19] <Morganvd> sorry to hear that Kilos 
[10:19] <nuvolari> hey n8wulf 
[10:19] <Morganvd> hope he gets well soon
[10:20] <Kilos> thanks guys
[10:20] <nuvolari> n8wulf: what do you mean you can't beat them?
[10:20] <n8wulf> and now I got tired with the Background little Wallpaper changers and stuff hogging resources, so now I'm gonna try Virgin Install plus my own Custom Installs.
[10:20] <n8wulf> All the serious Nix users end up going Virgin Install and doing the Mods themselves
[10:21] <n8wulf> so seeing as I've been using Ubuntu Flavs for close to 3 years, it's time to try flying on my own
[10:22] <Morganvd> you mean linux from scratch?
[10:22] <Morganvd> or just ubuntu cli with your own mods
[10:22] <n8wulf> O no!!!... No I'm too lazy
[10:22] <n8wulf> so if I say Virgin I mean an original 11.04 install
[10:23] <n8wulf> then installing and theme-ing as I see fit
[10:23] <Morganvd> lol k 
[10:24] <n8wulf> I've done the Conky and AWN and Modding thing enough to start from scratch (not Linux from Scratch )
[10:24] <n8wulf> but I do have a side project with Linux from Scratch we are busy with
[10:25] <n8wulf> ppl, how do I add a 'auto join a channel' in Empathy?
[10:25] <Morganvd> favourites
[10:25] <Morganvd> i use weechat so cant tell you how again with the irc plugin
[10:26] <n8wulf> I come from Pidgin
[10:26]  * nlsthzn waves
[10:27] <n8wulf> thanx for the 'Favs' hint
[10:27] <n8wulf> brb
[10:31] <n8wulf> anyone here ever seen www.live-office.net ?
[10:35] <n8wulf> guess not
[10:37] <Morganvd> nope soz
[10:38] <nuvolari> Morganvd: ^5 @ weechat
[10:38] <nuvolari> lo nlsthzn 
[10:39] <nuvolari> who needs a live-office when you have vi?
[10:39] <nuvolari> :P
[10:41] <Morganvd> nuvolari: i love weechat ever since i tried it
[10:41] <Morganvd> it never fails i never lag and its made me more effective
[10:41] <Morganvd> im still learning vi
[10:42] <nuvolari> Morganvd: some people prefer irssi or bitchx, but I don't fancy either
[10:42] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: hi... I use nano (when and if needed :p)
[10:42] <nuvolari> I might try irssi again one day for it's proxy features
[10:43] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: so you're afraid of the cli? :P
[10:43] <Morganvd> i still want to do a gentoo system i hear it very fast
[10:43] <Morganvd> or linux from scratch
[10:43] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: not afraid, but careful :p
[10:43] <Morganvd> rofl
[10:44] <nuvolari> Morganvd: well, it depends on what needs to be fast :P
[10:44] <nuvolari> Ubuntu came a long way and it's doing pretty well
[10:44] <superfly> Morganvd: these days a custom Gentoo build is no faster than a normal Ubuntu install
[10:45] <nuvolari> I had gentoo on my netbook for about a month, but had no advantages over ubuntu (from my experience)
[10:45] <nuvolari> ye, what superfly said ;P
[10:48] <Morganvd> well i can say im using crunchbang on my netbook and its 1000% faster than 11.04 on my netbook
[10:49] <n8wulf> on the crucnhbang topic
[10:49] <n8wulf> typo... lol
[10:50] <n8wulf> anyway, I'm trying to find a distro to use on old P2 pc's with 32mb ram maximum... any ideas? Crunchbang, CruncEEE or Puppie?
[10:50] <nuvolari> I think the only distro that I would think of trying out now (make it 2) will be ArchLinux and Fedora
[10:50] <n8wulf> I cant find old Ubuntu's like 6.04 anywhere
[10:50] <Morganvd> well eather puppy or crunchbang
[10:51] <nuvolari> n8wulf: DSL?
[10:51] <n8wulf> Eish
[10:51] <n8wulf> heard alot of Anti DSL comments
[10:52] <nuvolari> oh
[10:52] <Morganvd> i tried dsl a few weeks ago
[10:52] <nuvolari> not up to date
[10:52] <Morganvd> preffer puppy to it
[10:52] <n8wulf> but i suppose the proof is in the Pudding
[10:52] <n8wulf> Morganvd: Puppy vs Crunchbang experiences?
[10:53] <Morganvd> i have 2 p3 laptops here at home not doing much so i downloaded a children version of puppy
[10:53] <Morganvd> on my netbook crunchbang runs like a dream
[10:53] <n8wulf> thats the Big one with all the games, right?
[10:53] <Morganvd> on my little laptops puppy is better for my eed
[10:53] <Morganvd> no its hansam something
[10:54] <n8wulf> k, so the kiddies one, usual puppy + games?
[10:54] <n8wulf> hdd size needed? any idea/
[10:54] <n8wulf> ?
[10:54] <n8wulf> cause I've got 2Gb hdd's here
[10:54] <Morganvd> 500mg
[10:55] <n8wulf> Naas
[10:55] <n8wulf> did you try the Hansamben flavour?
[10:56] <Morganvd> thats the one i have for them 
[10:56] <Morganvd> my twins are 2
[10:57] <n8wulf> cool, looking at a review now
[10:57] <Morganvd> the others have big machines all use ubuntu
[10:57] <n8wulf> my eldest is 3 now... but the PCs are for Primary School use
[10:57] <n8wulf> so if it works, I'll rig Amore as well
[10:58] <Morganvd> 11 year old has a quad core with ubuntu natty
[10:58] <n8wulf> Hmm... Lucky No 11
[10:58] <Morganvd> 9 year old has a duel core with natty made it pink as she is my only little girl
[10:58] <n8wulf> cool
[10:58] <n8wulf> sure she's luvin it
[10:58] <Morganvd> 3 year old has a duel core running qumo
[10:58] <n8wulf> qumo?
[10:59] <Morganvd> and the twins have the lappies p3's with han sam be
[10:59] <Morganvd> hansamben
[10:59] <Morganvd> qumo is a ubuntu kids distro
[11:00] <Morganvd> http://www.qimo4kids.com/
[11:00] <Morganvd> soz its qimo
[11:00] <n8wulf> thank you, will check that one quick too
[11:02] <n8wulf> dual core for the Qimo because it needs it, or because you have a lot of "PassMeDowns"?
[11:02] <n8wulf> 'cause just tell me where the queue ends, I'll join in at the back
[11:07] <nuvolari> n8wulf: where are you from?
[11:13] <Kilos> boet ok. just cracked ribs and traumatised but at least he home
[11:15] <n8wulf> good to hear... so don't make any jokes in front of him, will leave him with Side Splitting Laughter, literally 
[11:17] <Kilos> face bashed up from being pistol whipped as well and lotsa lumps on head
[11:17] <n8wulf> Morganvd , you still there?
[11:18] <n8wulf> OMG!!!
[11:18] <Kilos> sigh
[11:18] <n8wulf> thats really not nice
[11:18] <n8wulf> I got Hijacked a cpl yrs ago, luckily got out without a scratch
[11:18] <Kilos> no but at least he is alive
[11:19] <Kilos> wow
[11:19] <Kilos> tough in africa hey
[11:19] <n8wulf> jip... so now he's a member of the Seriously Racist Group?
[11:20] <Kilos> hehe
[11:20] <n8wulf> say no more
[11:20] <Kilos> thanks for letting me share guys
[11:20] <n8wulf> did they rob you of anything?
[11:21] <Kilos> his top of the range hp laptop and blackberry and cash
[11:21] <n8wulf> as you said, I've seen ppl get shot for less, so he's fortunate
[11:21] <Kilos> so all his cvs and contacts gone
[11:22] <n8wulf> does he use Ubuntu?
[11:22] <Kilos> he been looking for work for last 3 months
[11:22] <Kilos> but most are for overseas places like china
[11:22] <Kilos> no he stuck with win 7
[11:22] <n8wulf> get him Dropbox for Win$ next time around
[11:22] <Kilos> he says too much to learn something new
[11:23] <n8wulf> what ever
[11:23] <n8wulf> Win7 has higher learning curve than Ubuntu at this point of the race
[11:24] <n8wulf> he had a Blackberry... well, Unity is taking Ubuntu to the Smartphone level in interfaces
[11:24] <n8wulf> so if he can use his BB, he can Unity
[11:27] <Kilos> i will try to get him on it. but he is not one that can use cli and stuff like here
[11:27] <Kilos> he stuck on put in cd and install
[11:34] <n8wulf> well, 99% of all installs can happen in Synaptic, Software Centre and via .deb so ppl can really stop worrying about cli
[11:34] <Morganvd> n8wulf: sorry had to put the kids down to sleep
[11:35] <n8wulf> that time already?
[11:35] <n8wulf> mine only does the nap thing at 2pm
[11:35] <Morganvd> mid afternoon nap
[11:35] <n8wulf> cool, take a deep breath
[11:35] <n8wulf> relax
[11:35] <n8wulf> it's Sunday afternoon
[11:35] <Morganvd> we find 12 works better then they dont stay awake till 22h00
[11:36] <n8wulf> Oh is that why?!!
[11:36] <n8wulf> ;-d
[11:36] <n8wulf> ;-b
[11:36] <Morganvd> yip all my kids pass out at 8h00
[11:36] <Morganvd> 20h00
[11:36] <n8wulf> yeah, but my wife is pregs already, so what will we do after that at the moment?
[11:37] <Morganvd> well those that did not know what i was talking about
[11:37] <Morganvd> most parnets dont realize that they need some time
[11:37] <Morganvd> after 8 its time for me and mommy to chat and things
[11:38] <n8wulf> do you perhaps pls have a direct download link to the HanSamBen you are using, I don't see myself working through 19 pgs of Forums, pls?
[11:39] <Morganvd> there was someone who updated it to a newer version of puppy
[11:39] <Morganvd> will get you the link now
[11:39] <n8wulf> thank you
[11:40] <n8wulf> meantime, anybody know if there's a way to set the sidebar in Unity to not disappear, i.e. autohide?
[11:43] <Morganvd> yeah compize
[11:43] <Morganvd> compiz*
[11:44] <Morganvd> install the compiz-manager
[11:44] <n8wulf> oh, that was on my ToDo list
[11:50] <n8wulf> found it, thanx
[11:50] <n8wulf> and then I saw I can just press the 'Super' key when I need it to show
[11:50] <n8wulf> which is better
[11:57] <Morganvd> yeah i have a nice todo list after a natty install will get it for you now
[11:57] <Morganvd> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/things-to-tweak-fix-after-installing.html
[11:58] <n8wulf> oh my goodness
[11:58] <n8wulf> thanx for sharing
[11:58] <n8wulf> will delicious it
[12:08] <n8wulf> Morganvd, any news on the HanSamBen link pls?
[12:14] <Morganvd> http://208.109.22.214/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=49124&sid=79ed546e3de9aff168e5b210449b6d6e
[12:15] <Morganvd> i used the retro one
[12:15] <n8wulf> ty, I was on this one: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=41454&start=255
[12:16] <n8wulf> way too much reading
[12:16] <n8wulf> will use retro as well due to HW specs
[12:33] <n8wulf> here's another nice ToDo for Unity:
[12:33] <n8wulf> http://soluitionpoint.com/news/8-useful-ubuntu-unity-quicklists/
[12:33] <Morganvd> i was gonna telling you about it 
[12:33] <Morganvd> i use the ssh menu one and the libre office one
[12:33] <n8wulf> lol
[12:33] <Morganvd> alot
[12:34] <n8wulf> will use them as well, I do a lot of remote Gui support, VNC (remmina) so will add that as well if possible
[12:35] <n8wulf> Naas... i like the Custom cmds for Terminal as well
[12:35] <n8wulf> I've got a bunch of scripts I run a lot, will Point&Click them
[12:38] <n8wulf> do you know of a Quick way to restart Unity? I kinda made it need Pampers
[12:38] <n8wulf> and I don't want to logout/in at the mo
[12:39] <Morganvd> unity --restart
[12:43] <n8wulf> nope   ... no such thing. but just 'unity' does the trick though
[12:43] <Kerbero> or --reset
[12:43] <n8wulf> will throw it back to defaults yes, thanx
[12:44] <Kerbero> just running unity on its own will spawn another session on top of the old one
[12:44] <n8wulf> Dawg
[12:44] <n8wulf> ok, so I will do the Log Out thing quick
[12:45] <Kerbero> just unity --reset
[12:45] <Kerbero> it fixes everything
[12:45] <n8wulf> even the 2nd instance I opened?
[12:45] <n8wulf> started I mean
[12:45] <Kerbero> it should
[12:46] <Kerbero> and i guess you know you should run these commands from the run dialog
[12:46] <n8wulf> neat trick I learned yesterday I gotta share with you
[12:46] <Kerbero> o
[12:47]  * Kerbero listens
[12:47] <Morganvd> soz i meant reset
[12:47] <n8wulf> if u got a Granadella that went all dry and looks like a Rosyntjie, just put it in a Glass of water for an hour or so
[12:48] <n8wulf> voila! nice and juicy again
[12:48] <Kerbero> haha
[12:48] <Kerbero> nice
[12:48] <n8wulf> so guess what's for lunch...
[12:53] <n8wulf> any of you know what a Diesel (the drink) is?
[12:56] <n8wulf> beer shandy but with Coke instead of sprite... dis lekker
[12:56] <n8wulf> and if you let the glass stand for a while it starts looking like Diesel, for real
[12:57] <superfly> http://twitpic.com/5118dw
[12:59] <n8wulf> that is Soooooo sweet
[14:05] <Morganvd> i really hate overlaying scroll bars
[14:24] <n8wulf> me thinks I'm gonna hate the stupid sidebar in Unity
[14:24] <n8wulf> if I set it on AutoHide, it just never Unhides
[14:24] <Morganvd> side bar i can handle
[14:25] <Morganvd> its dam overlaying scrollbars breaking some of the other apps
[14:25] <n8wulf> if I set it to the default, I can't convince it to show unless I press the 'Super' key
[14:25] <n8wulf> I saw u mentioned earlier. and the scrollbar is not really Laptop Touchpad friendly either
[14:26] <n8wulf> and Empathy is also reaaally quirky
[14:27] <n8wulf> I had to reboot after my Unity completely crashed, no default Sign in again to my IRC accounts... and still no Favourite Channels
[14:28] <n8wulf> if i click on Conversation at the top, Fav Chat Room for this channel is selected
[14:28] <Morganvd> yeah 
[14:28] <Morganvd> and our local isp have found out caching 
[14:29] <n8wulf> but still not showing in the Empathy IM clients list. Why? what's the caching doing?
[14:30] <Morganvd> now they caching repos with broken packages
[14:30] <Morganvd> i know its the isp 
[14:30] <n8wulf> rofl
[14:30] <Morganvd> becuase when i log inwith my 3G the same repo works
[14:31] <n8wulf> suppose they've got caching on, but it's only caching parts of the files
[14:31] <n8wulf> so the cahce size is set too small
[14:31] <n8wulf> and set to cache ALL traffic I suppose
[14:32] <n8wulf> any idea how to get Maximised windows to not overlap the Unity sidebar?
[14:33] <n8wulf> if I set the sidebar to permanent on?
[14:33] <Morganvd> i have it on perma on but it goes behind the window in max window mode
[14:34] <n8wulf> see, there in lies the problem
[14:36] <Morganvd> yip
[14:37] <Morganvd> but i cannot get my head around gnome 3 either
[14:38] <n8wulf> I officially just sat and Hyper Ventilated out of frustration. the freakin sidebar F*&^%$#$%^&
[14:38] <n8wulf> and now I resorted to giggles
[14:39] <Morganvd> giggles?
[14:41] <n8wulf> jip, also frustration
[14:41] <n8wulf> ok, so I figured if I set the sidebar to Dodge Active windows only, then it's currently more accessible 
[15:07] <n8wulf> Morganvd: do u currently have Unity running?
[15:08] <n8wulf> my sidebar does not behave like this: http://images.sageek.co.za/rvw/unity8.png
[15:09] <n8wulf> I don't have any available MouseOver events (subMenus) that pop up
[15:13] <n8wulf> so, it turns out in order to have this: http://i.imgur.com/4eB1O.png when my Windows are maximized, I need a Bug as mentioned here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/31152/maximized-windows-on-unity-start-without-covering-the-sidebar-how-can-i-do-that
[15:28] <n8wulf> sleeping or watching series?
[16:49] <nuvolari> n8wulf: sleeping
[16:49] <nuvolari> was sleeping :P
[18:21] <Wolfeyes> hey everyone
[18:22] <Wolfeyes> To upgrade from cd (from Maverick to Natty) must I boot from cd?
[18:23] <Kerbero> i don't think so
[18:24] <Kerbero> what happens if you just insert the cd while you are in ubuntu
[18:24] <Wolfeyes> You here or busy superfly ? 
[18:24] <superfly> hi Wolfeyes
[18:24] <Wolfeyes> Nothing. It mounts Kerbero .
[18:24] <Wolfeyes> Hey superfly 
[18:25] <superfly> Wolfeyes: you must *not* boot into the CD
[18:25] <Wolfeyes> Ok
[18:25] <superfly> mount the CD
[18:25] <Wolfeyes> Ok
[18:25] <superfly> then run the the cdromupgrade script in the root of the CD
[18:26] <superfly> you need to run it as root, and using the full path of the script
[18:26] <superfly> so if your CD is mounted at /media/cdrom you need to run "sudo /media/cdrom/cdromupgrade"
[18:26] <Wolfeyes> Ok so when you insert it, and it shows on your desktop, it mounts? You mean like that?
[18:27] <superfly> Wolfeyes: Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[18:27] <Wolfeyes> Kubuntu
[18:27] <superfly> when the device manager pops up, click on the CD and then click on "open with Dolphin"
[18:28] <Wolfeyes> No device manager opened!
[18:29] <Wolfeyes> it is the Kubuntu alternate, is this correct?
[18:29] <superfly> Wolfeyes: the little thing that slides up on the bottom right hand side of your screen?
[18:30] <Wolfeyes> Ok hold on, I do not have that, I am in Maverick ubuntu right now, superfly 
[18:31] <superfly> Wolfeyes: I asked youi f you were in Ubuntu or Kubuntu, and you said Kubuntu!
[18:31] <Wolfeyes> oh sorry, misread, i thought you meant upgrading too.
[18:32] <superfly> Wolfeyes: using the alternate CD you pretty much have to upgrade Ubuntu to Ubuntu
[18:32] <Wolfeyes> I am using UBuntu Maverick and want to upgrade to Kubuntu Natty superfly 
[18:32] <superfly> you can upgrade Ubuntu to Kubuntu, but the majority of the applications on each of the CDs are different
[18:33] <superfly> I'm not 100% sure if you can do that with the alternate CD via the upgrade script
[18:33] <Wolfeyes> Another one then?
[18:33] <superfly> the best would be upgrading from Ubuntu to Ubuntu
[18:33] <Wolfeyes> Ok
[18:33] <superfly> what you *could* possibly do is mount the CD
[18:34] <superfly> then add it to your sources.list file using the "apt-cdrom" command
[18:34] <Wolfeyes> ok
[18:35] <superfly> then "sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop", followed by "sudo apt-get update"
[18:35] <Wolfeyes> When you say mount, you mean see it mounted it on the desktop or mount it in another place?
[18:35] <superfly> and then "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[18:35] <superfly> when I say mount, I mean you most likely need to have opened it in nautilus first
[18:39] <Wolfeyes> Ok so when you double click on it, it opens, is this what you call Nautilus superfly ? Sorry I haven't had the computer for ages. Forgotten a  lot.
[18:41] <superfly> nautilus is the file manager in Ubuntu, dolphin is the file manager in Kubuntu
[18:42] <Wolfeyes> ok
[18:46] <Wolfeyes> Then I have Nautilus open, and can see all the folders in the cd superfly . Which cd should be in? Kubuntu normal or Kubuntu Alternate? superfly . Ok Kilos suggested somethign now, would it not be better to make an install next to it to see if it works?  I am having lots of problems with this Gigabyte mb.
[18:47] <superfly> the alternate
[18:47] <superfly> if you have the space, sure go ahead
[18:47] <Wolfeyes> ok thank you, let me try that first.
[18:47] <Wolfeyes> be back in a bit
[18:47] <Wolfeyes> thank you superfly 
[18:48] <Wolfeyes> I chat to you from Kilo's pc.
[18:55] <Symmetria> *SIGH*
[18:55]  * Symmetria spies problems on mirror.ac.za
[18:55] <nuvolari> too much smoking Symmetria ?
[18:55] <nuvolari> :P
[18:55] <nuvolari> lo oom Kilos 
[18:56] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[18:56] <Kilos> hi guys
[18:56] <Symmetria> nuvolari GAH, musta been a faulty batch of disks in one of the sans 
[18:57] <Symmetria> we just blew 3 x 2TB disks in the same san within 40 minutes of each other
[18:57] <Kilos> got ians modem here so he can get help with kubuntu alongside installation
[18:57] <Symmetria> thank god I have a copy of almost everything on that san, so now its just a matter of synching the backup and then bringing it back up 
[18:57] <Symmetria> heh, dunno how outta sync the backup is though, its a 22 TB backup copy 
[18:59]  * nuvolari wipes away a tear
[18:59] <Kilos> hehe his pc rattles on an off like an old skedonk
[18:59] <nuvolari> that amount of disk space sounds beautiful
[18:59] <Kerbero> hehe
[19:00] <nuvolari> lol Kilos 
[19:00] <nuvolari> Kilos: but it's still working eh oom?
[19:00] <Kilos> so weird and its a sata drive as well
[19:00] <Kilos> yeah it works 
[19:02] <Kilos> is there a difference in install speeds with kubuntu and ubuntu
[19:02] <Kilos> kubuntu seems kinda slow with the install or am i imagining it
[19:04] <Kilos> still havent even got to where we wanna install it to
[19:06] <Kilos> im sure this gigabyte thing runs in reverse gear all the time
[19:13] <superfly> Kilos: i doubt there's much of a diference
[19:14] <superfly> Kilos: did you try using the alternate cd, it's got an old-style installer, but it works in more cases than the fancy GUI one
[19:23] <Kilos> using kubuntu but slow as mollasses and seems to not see 100g of partition somewhere
[19:24] <Kilos> can one actually install to /dev/sda5
[19:24] <Kilos> will it just at a link to the bootloader
[19:26] <Kilos> if only there wasnt xp and mavericki already here things would be simpler
[19:45] <Kilos> we trying to use sda5 with /root//boot /home partitions in in but i dunno whats gonna happen. we will see
[19:45] <Kilos> said the blind man
[19:53] <Symmetria> mirror.ac.za should be stable again in a coupla hours 
[19:53] <Symmetria> I'm just bringing certain things back into sync on diskspace5 and then will deactivate diskspace4 and swing everything onto there 
[19:54] <Symmetria> and then figure out what the hell is wrong with diskspace4 
[19:54] <Symmetria> probably only have 100gig or so that I need to sync 
[20:06] <superfly> Kilos: are you in the live CD?
[20:07] <Kilos> yip. we started again with my cd rom
[20:07] <Kilos> think his dvdrom faulty as well
[20:08] <superfly> OK, like I said earlier, the Alternate CD's installer is not pretty, but usually works better than the Live CD's installer
[20:09] <Kilos> will try that if we dont win now ty. cdrom faster than his dvdrom
[20:09] <superfly> ok, cool
[20:10] <Symmetria> heh, thank god for bandwidth
[20:10] <Symmetria> I am using 1.2gigabit/second fixing mirror.ac.za LOL
[20:11] <Kilos> eish Symmetria 
[20:12] <Morganvd> Symmetria: your not with IS are you
[20:12] <Symmetria> Morganvd no, IS doesnt have that kinda spare bandwidth :) we do 
[20:12] <Morganvd> no im asking as it seems all the uncapped accoutns they ttrying to cache the repos
[20:12] <Morganvd> and they breakin git
[20:12] <Symmetria> *HRM* they are caching the ubuntu repos?
[20:13] <Morganvd> yeah
[20:13] <Symmetria> thats kinda... messed up since its all local
[20:13] <Symmetria> I can speak to someone in the morning about that if you want
[20:13] <Morganvd> i keep getting stupid file hash missmatch
[20:13] <Symmetria> email me a reminder please, aa@tenet.ac.za
[20:13] <Morganvd> but if i plug in my 3g same repo no problme
[20:13] <Symmetria> which repo are you using btw? 
[20:14] <Morganvd> za.archive
[20:14] <Symmetria> they will automatically cache almost anything international, za.archive though should not be cached 
[20:14] <Morganvd> but once its broken package
[20:14] <Morganvd> it does not matter where i try download it from DSL
[20:14] <Symmetria> email me a reminder and I'll take it up with them
[20:14] <Morganvd> dont have your mail addy
[20:14] <Symmetria> its senseless them caching mirror.ac.za since mirror.ac.za = via peering with them and there is more capacity than god there
[20:14] <Symmetria> aa@tenet.ac.za :)
[20:15] <superfly> Morganvd, Symmetria: yeah, I had the same a few weeks ago
[20:15] <Morganvd> i tried talking to lantic about it 
[20:15] <Morganvd> but they useless
[20:15] <superfly> one of their transparent proxies are caching things
[20:15] <Morganvd> im thining of switching to gamco
[20:15] <Symmetria> heh, I will take it up with IS tomorrow 
[20:15] <Symmetria> shouldnt be a huge issue to get resolved 
[20:15] <Morganvd> mine was stand IDE
[20:16] <Morganvd> stani*
[20:16] <superfly> mine was perl-modules
[20:16] <Symmetria> right now my major concern is getting mirror.ac.za back stable again, and this stupid sync is taking forever
[20:16] <Morganvd> one package prev to that was perl-module
[20:16] <Symmetria> but heh, not really suprised its taking a while, 11 terabytes, 10+ million files to check 
[20:16] <superfly> I asked in #ubuntu-devel and they gave me another link to try... cause even if I went to de.archive or us.archive, I'd get the same corrupted file
[20:17] <Morganvd> i even get it off siax
[20:17] <Morganvd> it seems the package gets cached
[20:18] <Morganvd> so it keeps pulling of the prixy no matter where you pull it from
[20:18] <Symmetria> Morganvd you might wanna try ftp'ing the file down and seeing what comes down
[20:18] <Symmetria> or if you can, set apt-get to use ftp rather than http
[20:18] <Symmetria> they wont trans-proxy ftp 
[20:20] <Morganvd> thanks will try that
[20:20] <Morganvd> i just plugged in my 3G and it pulled down no problem 
[20:20] <Symmetria> wow, chelsea fired their manager LOL
[20:20] <Morganvd> freaking stupid though
[20:54] <Kilos> superfly, kubuntu in. I go off now so we can put modem in on his pc and get updates
[20:55] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[20:55] <superfly> Kilos: cool
[20:55] <Kilos> and warm
[20:55] <superfly> night night
[20:55] <Kilos> thanks for the help superfly \
[20:57] <superfly> nnnp
[20:57] <superfly> *np
[21:28] <Kilos> superfly, where do we find the terminal please
[21:28] <superfly> Kilos: it's called Konsole
[21:29] <superfly> whne you open the menu, just type in "Konsole" and it'll find it
[21:29]  * superfly heads off to bed
[21:29] <Kilos> um what and where is the menu superfly 
[21:29] <Kilos> sorry
[21:30] <superfly> the blue K on the bottom left
[21:32] <Kilos> ty . have a good sleep
[23:25] <Symmetria> ok mirror.ac.za all back online
[23:45] <Kerbero> well done