[00:03] <coldpizza72i> how can i find my graphics card installed
[00:04] <Sysi> lspci | grep VGA
[00:11] <charlie-tca> use the grub menu, recovery menu, fsck from the menu or root, whichever is available
[00:27] <coldpizza72i> i just installed xubuntu on a drive but cant find the drive in my bios to fix the boot sequence.....is that because my bios will only show bootable drives? do i have to put a live cd up again and make it bootable?
[00:28] <Soupermanito> coldpizza72i, bios wont care about that
[00:29] <coldpizza72i> Soupermanito: any idea why the drive wont show up?
[00:30] <Soupermanito> it should, unless you are talking about partitions
[00:31] <coldpizza72i> Soupermanito: only my new sata drive and dvd drive show
[00:31] <Soupermanito> and you have another drive?
[00:31] <coldpizza72i> yep
[00:31] <Soupermanito> mmm, ide?
[00:32] <coldpizza72i> yea
[00:32] <Soupermanito> on the same ide cable that the dvd?
[00:32] <coldpizza72i> Soupermanito: not sure... its a mess back there
[00:33] <Soupermanito> XD ok, check that if its on the same cable, that your HDD its jumpered to be MASTER and the DVD to SLAVE
[00:36] <coldpizza72i> uhh
[00:37] <Soupermanito> :) yes, thats a bit of a problem ifyou don't know what you are doing
[00:37] <Soupermanito> anyway, it should appear on your BIOS
[00:38] <Soupermanito> if you installed grub correctly it would not matter because grub should have installed on the first hard drive anyway
[00:39] <coldpizza72i> Soupermanito: ohh well when i start my computer i jest get
[00:39] <coldpizza72i> GRUB _
[00:39] <coldpizza72i> and the underscore blinks
[00:40] <Soupermanito> oh, and you just installed xubuntu?
[00:40] <coldpizza72i> yea
[00:41] <Soupermanito> weeeelll you could try to reinstall it and be sure about what grub does, i mean to install in on /dev/sda
[00:41] <Soupermanito> tho Sysi KM0201 they could give some opinion here
[00:46] <coldpizza72i> Soupermanito: if i install windows instead im going to run into the same problem with the boot sequence right?
[00:46] <Soupermanito> it should yes, but its a shame
[00:46] <Soupermanito> :(
[00:47] <Soupermanito> fidling whit grub can be quite bothering
[00:47] <igna_> Hi, I am trying to connect wirelessly my xubuntu 10.04 with my laptop w7 to share files and printer, Can anybody help me?
[00:47] <Soupermanito> igna_, sure thing
[00:47] <igna_> Lets go.
[00:48] <coldpizza72i> Soupermanito: ill try to fix grub... let me put the live cd back in
[00:48] <Soupermanito> igna_, :) wait a moment please
[00:51] <igna_> I have installed samba like the manual says, and probed and ad-hoc connections starting in xubuntu(wireless net open named fifi). The w7 shows me that i am connected to fifi, but cant find the pc , neither xubuntu
[00:53] <KM0201> Soupermanito: opinion on what
[00:53] <coldpizza72i> ok so my first hard drive i literally just plugged in and havent done anything with it.... my 3rd hard drive is what im trying to install the os on
[00:54] <Soupermanito> yes coldpizza72i but grub needs to be on the first drive
[00:54] <KM0201> Soupermanito: not necessarily
[00:54] <KM0201> it just needs to be on the first boot device.
[00:54] <KM0201> could be a usb, or an internal drive, floppy, etc
[00:54] <coldpizza72i> Soupermanito: so my current config is a problem?....theres no way around that?
[00:55] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: what exactly is your issue?
[00:55] <Soupermanito> yeah, well he cant put his 3rd drive as first boot, thatas why om saying he needs to install grub on the first drive his boot will look on
[00:55] <coldpizza72i> grub KM0201
[00:55] <KM0201> ok.. why can't you put your third drive to boot first?
[00:55] <coldpizza72i> it doesnt show up in the boot sequence
[00:56] <KM0201> IDE or sata?(are the other drives IDE or sata?)
[00:56] <coldpizza72i> wait
[00:56] <coldpizza72i> its ide
[00:56] <KM0201> all 3?
[00:57] <coldpizza72i> no the other 2 are sata
[00:57] <KM0201> ok.
[00:57] <Soupermanito> igna_, you have installed a graphic handler of samba? i like pyNeighborhood myself
[00:57] <coldpizza72i> i cant remember what my dvd drive is
[00:57] <KM0201> .. probably sata would be my guess..
[00:57] <Soupermanito> probably IDE be my guess
[00:58] <igna_> Firestarter helps?
[00:58] <coldpizza72i> KM0201: i think its sata but im unsure....how can i check without openeing
[00:58] <KM0201> Soupermanito: meh.. depends on the age of the PC.
[00:58] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: do you have x-ray vision?
[00:58] <coldpizza72i> fine ill open
[00:58] <KM0201> :)
[00:59] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: while you're in there....
[00:59] <Soupermanito> igna_, have you edited your smb.conf so its workgrup is the same that the windows network?
[00:59] <KM0201> check the IDE disk drive, and see where the jumper is set on the drive.. you'll want it set to "Cable Select"
[00:59] <Soupermanito> D: CABLE SELECT!
[00:59] <coldpizza72i> its sata KM0201
[01:00] <KM0201> Soupermanito: ?
[01:00] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: ok, did you check the IDE drive .. and make sure the jumper is on cable select?
[01:01] <coldpizza72i> i just turned off my pc 1 sec
[01:01] <igna_> No, where can I find it? I am installing pyNeighborhook
[01:01] <KM0201> k
[01:01] <KM0201> Soupermanito: just curious.. why the cable select comment?
[01:02] <Soupermanito> because IDE's cable selects cables are so weird i haven't ever seen one working, you need to put it on master, or slave, not select, it would only work if the cable is seted up to select it self the slave or master condition
[01:02] <KM0201> i've never had an issue w/ cable select... used it many, many, MANY times
[01:03] <Soupermanito> igna_, sudo mousepad /etc/samba/smb.conf
[01:04] <coldpizza72i> KM0201: is the jumper config the same on all drives... or do i have to pull it out and look at the diagram
[01:05] <Soupermanito> pull it out
[01:05] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: unfortunately, you'll probably have to pull it out and look, unless you can contort your head/case to see the diagram.. (or if you know the drive model, you can google it)
[01:05] <Soupermanito> or look in the internets for the model
[01:05] <igna_> Soupermanito, WORKGROUP in both computer
[01:05]  * Soupermanito higfives KM0201 for hivemind!
[01:05] <coldpizza72i> KM0201: its on cable select
[01:05] <Soupermanito> :) great now it should work igna_
[01:05] <Soupermanito> :D
[01:06] <KM0201> ok...
[01:06] <KM0201> try booting the PC (leave the side of the case off for a minute.
[01:06] <KM0201> and go into the BIOS>
[01:06] <Soupermanito> coldpizza72i, if you like me more than KM0201 put it on master!
[01:06] <KM0201> yeah, putting it on Master.. i mean, can't hurt, but i don't think its gonna change anything.
[01:07] <KM0201> i'll gladly eat shoeleather if i'm wrong
[01:07] <Soupermanito> mmm shoeleather soup
[01:07] <igna_> Soupermanito, I will try
[01:07]  * KM0201 asks someone to pass the salt
[01:08] <coldpizza72i> KM0201: k ill change it and boot
[01:13] <Soupermanito> :( i dislike when people leave whitout telling if it worked or not, its like all the work one does here means nothing
[01:14] <KM0201> that is very anoying
[01:14] <KM0201> brb
[01:15] <coldpizza72i> KM0201: its in the bios boot sequence!
[01:17] <coldpizza72i> now with grub the way i had it im getting error 21....should i reinstall the os or just try to fix grub in the live cd
[01:17] <Soupermanito> i recomend reinstalling, will be easier, and probably faster
[01:17] <Soupermanito> :)
[01:18] <Soupermanito> if you had information to recover or settings and such then the other option would be better, but its a fresh install
[01:18] <KM0201> probably.
[01:19] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: i'd reinstall, do the "advanced" partition tool, and target grub at your IDE drive... then set the IDE as first, and you should be good.
[01:19] <coldpizza72i> KM0201: k
[01:20] <Soupermanito> yes ide drives usually have a name like /dev/hd*   while sata have like /dev/sd*
[01:21] <KM0201> yup
[01:21] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: just pay attention, and make sure grub goes to hd... or this will all be for naught, cuz it will probably default to sda
[01:22] <KM0201> Soupermanito: well, you were right on that one.. i've never had an issue w/ Cable Select.. glad it was that simple though
[01:23] <Soupermanito> I have never used cable select unless it comes like that and its just one drive, but even then i set it up to master and the dvd/cd to slave
[01:23] <coldpizza72i> all my drives are sd...
[01:23] <coldpizza72i> i know which is which tho
[01:24] <coldpizza72i> i can just erase and use the entire disk KM0201 right?
[01:25] <coldpizza72i> its not at this step i use the (advanced) specify partitions manually
[01:25] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: no... i would do the advanced, and set the partition up manually
[01:25] <KM0201> that way you can make absolute sure, that grub goes onto the IDE drive
[01:26] <coldpizza72i> how should i set up the partitions KM0201
[01:26] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: well.. how i do it (there's obviously varying opinion on this)...
[01:27] <KM0201> partition 1.. Primary, Beginning, Size (2-3x your physical ram.. 1gig of ram, 3gigs)... use as Swap area
[01:27] <KM0201> after that....
[01:28] <KM0201> on the free space again, Primary, Beginning, Size (whatever the max is), use as: ext4, mount point :   /
[01:28] <KM0201> then at the bottom, make sure the "boot loader" is going to be installed to your IDE drive...
[01:28] <KM0201> if that all checks out, click install now.
[01:30] <coldpizza72i> KM0201: theres no bootloader options yet
[01:30] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: its at the bottom of the "advanced partition tool"
[01:30] <KM0201> the very bottom.
[01:30] <KM0201> you'll have to see it before you click Install now.
[01:32] <coldpizza72i> KM0201: it just says [New Partition Table] [Add...] [Change...] [Delete] [Revert]
[01:32] <KM0201> ok, do you see your "HD" drive there?
[01:33] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: at the very bottom, you should see a "drop down bar".. that says "Boot loader options"
[01:33] <coldpizza72i> all my harddrive names start with sd
[01:34] <KM0201> ok... thats a little weird, do you see all 3 of them?
[01:35] <coldpizza72i> yes
[01:35] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: can you distinguish which one is the "IDE" drive?
[01:35] <coldpizza72i> yes KM0201
[01:36] <KM0201> ok, does it have any current partitions on it?
[01:36] <coldpizza72i> the ones i just added
[01:36] <KM0201> ok, and what did you add, swap and /  ?
[01:36] <lemraish> hej, folks, has anybody here experienced the bug with "don't show this message again" network managers notifications? a workaround?
[01:36] <coldpizza72i> KM0201: yes
[01:36] <KM0201> ok.
[01:36] <KM0201> now, below the "drives" on the bottom left i think, it should say "Boot loader options"
[01:36] <KM0201> do you see that?
[01:37] <coldpizza72i> nope
[01:37] <KM0201> that doesn't make sense
[01:37] <KM0201> you've got 3 drives, and no option to choose which drive you're installing to?
[01:37] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: what version of xubuntu are you installing?
[01:38] <coldpizza72i> hmm
[01:38] <coldpizza72i> im in the prepare partitions screen
[01:38] <KM0201> right...
[01:38] <lemraish> anybody?
[01:38] <Soupermanito> coldpizza72i, do your box has internet?
[01:39] <Soupermanito> lemraish, nope
[01:39] <coldpizza72i> yea
[01:39] <KM0201> sorry lemraish no clue
[01:39] <Soupermanito> take a screenshot and imagebin it
[01:39] <Soupermanito> !imagebin
[01:39] <KM0201> agree... cuz it should be there
[01:39] <KM0201> Soupermanito: i'm not imaigining things, right?.. :)
[01:40] <Soupermanito> :P yes, yes you are, actually no but i don't really know how the installer for 11.04 looks like
[01:40] <KM0201> Soupermanito: just like the insaller for 10.10.. :)
[01:40] <Soupermanito> and, i have never installed 10.10
[01:40] <Soupermanito> hence the problem KM0201
[01:41] <KM0201> Soupermanito: thats why i'm curious if he's using the 10.04 or maybe even 9.10 installer, cuz i don't think that option to select where the boot loader goes, came until 10.10.
[01:41] <KM0201> i'll be back in just a sec
[01:41] <lemraish> Soupermanito, i will have to disconnect my wifi to do this and get off from irc client :-) instead, that's the screenshot from posted on ubuntu forums http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/1268/notificationse.png
[01:41] <Soupermanito> igna_, does it worked?
[01:41] <Soupermanito> i cant see imageshacks
[01:42] <lemraish> ok, then a sec
[01:42] <Soupermanito> i always get this http://imageshack.us/img/blocked_login.jpg
[01:42] <coldpizza72i> Soupermanito: what can you see
[01:43] <Soupermanito> !imagebin
[01:43] <Soupermanito> or anyother image hosting site
[01:43] <lemraish> ok
[01:44] <KM0201> lemraish: thats weird.. never saw anything like that
[01:44] <KM0201> lemraish: but its something to do w/ notification area, or maybe indicator applet.. and you need to find what is alerting you, and turn it off, (or turn it "down" to not be so sensitive about notifying you)
[01:44] <coldpizza72i> http://imagebin.org/154422
[01:45] <coldpizza72i> there it is
[01:45] <coldpizza72i> is not *
[01:46] <Soupermanito> coldpizza72i, you installin 10.04?
[01:47] <coldpizza72i> i dont know
[01:47] <coldpizza72i> is that the newest?
[01:47] <Soupermanito> nope the newest is 11.04
[01:47] <coldpizza72i> why do you ask 10.04?
[01:48] <Soupermanito> because the installer for 10.04 looks like yours, and the one for 11.04 should look differently
[01:49] <coldpizza72i> yea its not the newest one
[01:49] <Soupermanito> i remark the SHOULD
[01:49] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: because that option onj where to install the bootloader, was not present in 10.04
[01:49] <coldpizza72i> im not sure the number
[01:49] <coldpizza72i> ohhh
[01:49] <Soupermanito> :P
[01:49] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: close the installer
[01:49] <KM0201> and open a terminal
[01:49] <KM0201> and type "lsb_release -a" (make sure there's a space after release)
[01:50] <KM0201> i bet you're usin 10.04, maybe even 9.10
[01:51] <lemraish> Soupermanito, http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05222011-044626am.php
[01:52] <coldpizza72i> 9.10
[01:52] <lemraish> Soupermanito, sometimes it even exceeds the screen
[01:53] <Soupermanito> coldpizza72i, thats old, 2 yeas old
[01:53] <coldpizza72i> it was new when i burned it lol
[01:53] <Soupermanito> XD
[01:53] <Soupermanito> get a new iso :P
[01:53] <coldpizza72i> i dont know if i can find another disk let me see
[01:54] <Soupermanito> coldpizza72i, do you have a pendrive?
[01:54] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: seriously, thats gonna be end of life very shortly (if its not already) grab an 11.04 ISO
[01:55] <coldpizza72i> yea how big do i need
[01:55] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: 1gig should be fine.
[01:55] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: can that machine boot USB?
[01:55] <coldpizza72i> probably its relatively new
[01:55] <KM0201> if it can, then this is a simple matter
[01:56] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: relatively new, and you shoved an IDE drive in there?  :).. seriously, yeah, download the xubuntu 11.04 ISO.. then we'll get you some instructions to upt it on USB>
[01:56] <KM0201> then boot the USB, just like you would a cd, and install
[01:56] <KM0201> are you using windows now?
[01:56] <Soupermanito> lemraish, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1750183
[01:56] <coldpizza72i> the HD is not realively new lol the machine is though
[01:56] <Soupermanito> :( it seems thats a problem, forst time i hear about it tho
[01:56] <coldpizza72i> no mac
[01:56] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: just kidding :)  thats how i learned linux to actually.. (old hard drive, new machine)
[01:57] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: ewwwwww.. macs are a pain in the freakin rear to create USB's
[01:57] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: do you have access to windows of any kind?
[01:57] <coldpizza72i> nope
[01:57] <KM0201> hmm
[01:57] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: so the machine your'e dual booting, its a Mac?
[01:57] <lemraish> Soupermanito, thanks a lot. )
[01:58] <KM0201> cuz dual booting a mac, i believe is a little different than dual booting w/ windows
[01:58] <coldpizza72i> im on my laptop no dual boot
[01:58] <Soupermanito> lemraish, ask in #xfce
[01:58] <Soupermanito> they might know
[01:58] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: ok, what OS is on those other two hard drives ? (or ar they just data drives?)
[01:58] <KM0201> bin_bash: u around?
[01:59] <coldpizza72i> 1 is literally brand new the other is linux that i never boot into i think
[01:59] <Soupermanito> KM0201, unetbootin works on mac's
[01:59] <KM0201> Soupermanito: does it?
[01:59] <KM0201> well heck, then thats a winner winner chicken dinner
[01:59] <Soupermanito> yep
[01:59] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[02:00] <KM0201> go there and download the one for Mac... and start it, point it at your thumb drive, then tell it you want 11.04.. it'll do everything for you.
[02:00] <KM0201> (download, install, etc..)
[02:00] <bin_bash> yeah
[02:00] <lemraish> Soupermanito, thanks, i'll try, but i heard somewhere it's just an ubuntu issue.
[02:00] <bin_bash> shwta sup
[02:00] <bin_bash> i went to cook some watwr
[02:01] <KM0201> bin_bash: lol, i was gonna tell you this mactard needed help creating a USB.. but i guess mac's can create USB's now, you just can't boot them on Mac's..lol
[02:01] <bin_bash> yeah
[02:01] <bin_bash> duh
[02:01] <Soupermanito> well... never heard about it and it affects the xfce-notifyd so... ask anyway lemraish
[02:01] <KM0201> that is some epic fail there.. :)
[02:01] <bin_bash> you can boot it on a mac
[02:01] <bin_bash> but it's annoying
[02:01] <bin_bash> and i dont
[02:02] <KM0201> be a way to save cd's though
[02:02] <bin_bash> yeah but like
[02:02] <bin_bash> it doesn't always work
[02:02] <bin_bash> and i'd have to install rEFIt
[02:02] <bin_bash> and fuck that
[02:02] <coldpizza72i> i wish i downloaded that at school...would of took like 10sec
[02:02] <Soupermanito> XD
[02:03] <KM0201> bin_bash: ahem.. (you're in an ubuntu channel now..lol)
[02:03] <bin_bash> oh
[02:03] <bin_bash> whoops
[02:03] <KM0201> you'll have to forgive her.. she's a little rough around the edges
[02:03] <bin_bash> i get caught up
[02:03] <bin_bash> ^
[02:03] <Soupermanito> bin_bash, mind your tongue
[02:04] <bin_bash> I apolgize
[02:04] <Soupermanito> ;)
[02:04] <bin_bash> KM0201 and I are on another network too
[02:04] <bin_bash> and I didn't realize I was in here
[02:04] <KM0201> it should be noted, km0201 doesn't swear on the other network either... i think i'm the only one
[02:04] <KM0201> lol
[02:04] <bin_bash> wait
[02:04] <bin_bash> there's one other
[02:05] <bin_bash> he's just too diplomatic
[02:05] <bin_bash> I'm like the evil side
[02:05] <bin_bash> and he's the nice "now now let's all get along" side
[02:06] <KM0201> lol.. if you only knew.
[02:06] <bin_bash> if only i knew what
[02:06] <owen1> tar -zcvf tmp/output.tar.gz input/ only works as root. with regular user i see 'tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors'. ls -l shows: drwxr-xr-x 2 user1 user1.  any clues?
[02:07] <KM0201> I'm far from the "nice, now now, lets get along" side...lol
[02:08] <Soupermanito> only root has r, you dont owen1
[02:08] <Soupermanito> o thats read
[02:08] <Soupermanito> no idea
[02:11] <lemraish> btw, how do i install themes? i've .tar.gz theme file?
[02:12] <lemraish> just unpack and copy to .themes folder?
[02:16] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: is everything going OK
[02:18] <coldpizza72i> KM0201: 3minutes until download finishes
[02:18] <KM0201> ok.
[02:19] <Soupermanito> D: gods thats fast
[02:19] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: the nice thing about this also.. assuming the machine is connected to the internet/connection recognized, you can set it to download updates/multimedia crap, during install, so when you're installed, you'll be up to date, and have flash, etc.. installed
[02:22] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: also, just in case you're curious... 9.10 is now end of life, which means its no longer supported w/ updates, etc.. so you'd have been wasting your time.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[02:26] <coldpizza72i> rebooting...
[02:27] <KM0201> \o/oot
[02:28] <coldpizza72i> the usb was a success...
[02:28] <KM0201> well thats good.
[02:28] <Soupermanito> :D
[02:28] <KM0201> go ahead and start the installer again.. and when you get to the partition stage, choose "Something Else"... and you'll get a similar window like you had with the other insaller
[02:28] <KM0201> make sure you set it to download updates, an dinstall multimedia "restricted, non free" stuff
[02:29] <KM0201> otherwise, you'll just do it later
[02:29] <KM0201> lol
[02:30] <coldpizza72i> this is interesting.....my "third drive" aka sdc is now called sda
[02:30] <KM0201> hmm
[02:30] <KM0201> are you sure?
[02:31] <coldpizza72i> yep
[02:31] <Soupermanito> coldpizza72i, well you do made it your first boot
[02:32] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: ok, make your partitions like i described above... and at the bottom, you should see "boot loader options".. make sure it goes to sda
[02:32] <KM0201> Soupermanito: but wonder why (if thats the case) 9.10 installer picked it up as sdc
[02:32] <coldpizza72i> sda or sda2?
[02:33] <KM0201> huh?
[02:33] <KM0201> oh, SDA
[02:33] <KM0201> you want it on the root partition, of the drive.
[02:33] <coldpizza72i> just checkin
[02:33] <KM0201> np
[02:33] <KM0201> did yous et your partitions up the same way?
[02:33] <Soupermanito> KM0201, no idea, it hapened to me a few times, if i change the boot order the naming changes on ubu
[02:34] <coldpizza72i> yea
[02:34] <KM0201> weird.
[02:34] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: did you set it to download updates, etc..?
[02:34] <coldpizza72i> mhm
[02:34] <KM0201> ok..
[02:34] <KM0201> the rest is pretty much easy peasy then
[02:44] <coldpizza72i> great success. thanks everyone
[02:46] <KM0201> woot!
[02:46] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: i can't believe that freaking jumper caused that hassle
[02:46] <KM0201> lol
[02:47] <coldpizza72i> yea i dont get it iether
[02:47] <KM0201> Soupermanito: gets credit for that one.. i didn't think it would matter
[03:14] <Soupermanito> anyone on here has xfce4-panel version 4.8.3 ?
[03:14] <Soupermanito> how do you set panels to be on top or on botom using 4.8.3?
[03:15] <KM0201> umm.
[03:15] <KM0201> i thought you right click the panel, choose "panels"... then there was like panel 1, panel 2, etc.. and you chose its orientation
[03:15] <KM0201> or maybe that changed.. actually, now that i think about it, it did.
[03:17] <Soupermanito> well it did im trying to introduce someone to xfce and he wants to set the panels down and i cant tell him how because he is on 4.8.3 and im on 4.6.3
[03:17] <KM0201> hmm
[03:18] <KM0201> can he drag/drop it?
[03:19] <Soupermanito> he did that XD
[03:19] <KM0201> hmm
[03:19] <KM0201> Soupermanito: i think gnome... its hold Ctrl+Drag/Drop
[03:19] <KM0201> tell him to try that
[03:19] <Soupermanito> thats quite not intuitive
[03:20] <Soupermanito> he did it already, dragging
[03:20] <KM0201> oh..lol
[03:20]  * KM0201 scores
[03:50] <EricBlade> could someone explain to me exactly why braile support is included in the default installation? really?
[03:53] <EricBlade> i mean, i udnerstand needing accessibility, but that can't possibly be on the list of "most common things requested"
[03:55] <Soupermanito> why not?
[03:57] <EricBlade> well it can't be enabled before the entire system is installed, and it has to be configured via editing config files, as far as i can tell, so .. why waste a hundred megs for speech and braile support, when probably less than 0.5% of your users are blind?
[03:57] <buff27> that sounds fair enough to me
[03:59] <EricBlade> i thought i'd try xubuntu on my netbook, because kubuntu and even netbook specific releases are really ridiculously monstrous for the application.  so far, it works great, except for one piece of software that is completely locking the computer up .. but i'm going thru deleting allt he junk i don't need .. and there's still a lot of it :D
[04:01] <Soupermanito> :P
[04:01] <Soupermanito> you could try the L flavour then
[04:01] <EricBlade> remove braile, speech synthesis, CUPS, and Foomatic: save 550mb
[04:01] <Guest4431> guys, can there be transparency for some not all active windows? or compiz only?
[04:04] <EricBlade> yay more free space than any other distro so far
[04:04] <EricBlade> and i've got a full compiler set, which i didn't get in any of the others!
[04:05] <Soupermanito> Guest4431, if you enable composition you will have transparencies, no compiz needed
[04:05] <Guest4431> Soupermanito, but not for active windows :)
[04:07] <Guest4431> may be is there way to edit some config files for enabling it for some custom active windows?
[04:09] <Soupermanito> no idea
[04:10] <Guest4431> ok, thank ya
[04:19] <EricBlade> ok, so, if i let my new xubuntu install sit around doing nothing long enough
[04:19] <EricBlade> sometime after the matrix screensaver comes up
[04:20] <EricBlade> it will switch to what appears to be a 3D block-text screensaver, with the machine's name, arch, and time/date on it
[04:20] <EricBlade> and then it freezes the whole machine
[04:20] <Soupermanito> thats bad
[04:21] <EricBlade> any thoughts on what i might look at ?
[04:21] <Soupermanito> you should check your video drivers
[04:21] <buff27> turn off the screen saver :P
[04:22] <Soupermanito> EricBlade, check the screensavers, try one for one to figure out which one is causing the crash, i gues is one whit 3D opengl
[04:24] <EricBlade> i suppose this means i shouldn't remove the "tools for debugging Intel graphics driver" package huh?
[04:26] <Soupermanito> XD
[04:38] <Guest4431> hm, strange emerald doesn't work in my xfce. i enter'd emerald --replace in ccsm windows decorations settings, but emerald doesn't load anyway. any ideas?
[04:39] <rww> !emerald
[04:40] <Guest4431> ubottu, like what? xfwm4 doesn't work with compiz
[04:40] <rww> as I understand it, it works even less in 11.04 than in previous releases, thanks to the new major version of Compiz.
[04:40] <Guest4431> lol
[04:41] <Guest4431> rww, ok, can i force compiz to work with xfwm4?
[04:41] <rww> no idea, sorry
[04:41] <Guest4431> ok
[04:41] <Soupermanito> Guest4431, yes, yes you can!
[04:42] <Guest4431> Soupermanito, :-) how?
[04:42] <Soupermanito> do you have installed compiz correct?
[04:42] <Guest4431> mm, nope. what's that? i only have ccsm
[04:42] <Guest4431> and compiz button
[04:43] <Soupermanito> well open a terminal and write compiz --help
[04:43] <Guest4431> ok
[04:44] <Soupermanito> if you get a lot of options you have compiz installed
[04:44] <Soupermanito> then you simply alt-f2 and write compiz --replace
[04:45] <Guest4431> oops
[04:45] <Guest4431> logged out
[04:45] <Soupermanito> oh
[04:45] <Soupermanito> whats the last you read?
[04:45] <Guest4431> open compiz --help
[04:45] <Guest4431> :-=
[04:45] <Guest4431> )
[04:45] <Guest4431> opened
[04:45] <Queops> Hey guys, I'm jusing xubuntu with win7, how can I hide these system reserved and filesystem icons on my desktop?
[04:46] <Guest4431> queops, open up menu, settings manager
[04:46] <Queops> With/ hiding all the pendrives etc.
[04:46] <Guest4431> then desktop and there display
[04:46] <Guest4431> desktop*
[04:46] <Queops> Ye
[04:47] <Guest4431> there's icons tab
[04:47] <Queops> Filesystem checkbox?
[04:47] <Guest4431> yup
[04:47] <Queops> Hmm actually that was the linux partition, seems the windows ones are removeable devices, bugger
[04:47] <Soupermanito> Guest4431, now do alt-f2 and write compiz --replace and execute
[04:48] <Guest4431> Soupermanito, already tried, it leaves me windows without titlebar
[04:49] <Queops> oi oi
[04:49] <Queops> I had that today
[04:49] <Queops> I ended up reinstalling Xubuntu
[04:49] <Guest4431> Soupermanity, which options in compiz --help could i use to preserve xfwm4, compiz --replace then what?
[04:50] <Queops> Windows with no titlebar, smudged to the top left
[04:50] <Soupermanito> Guest4431, thats because you have your windows borders unchecked on ccsm
[04:50] <Guest4431> mmm
[04:51] <Guest4431> i'll see now
[04:53] <Guest4431> mm, nope, windows decoration checkbox is enabled.
[04:54] <Soupermanito> Guest4431, if you run compiz simply?
[04:55] <Guest4431> yup. i press alt+f2 then compiz --replace
[04:55] <Soupermanito> no
[04:55] <Soupermanito> whitout replace, just compiz
[04:56] <Guest4431> aaa
[04:56] <Guest4431> a sec
[04:57] <Guest4431> nothing happens )))
[04:57] <Soupermanito> oh sheet
[04:58] <Soupermanito> so if you now run xfwm4 you get your borders back, correct?
[04:58] <feyd> all of a sudden, I can't drag and move any of my desktop icons
[04:58] <Guest4431> Soupermanito, yes ))
[04:58] <Guest4431> but without compiz, of course
[04:59] <Guest4431> wait. may be i should disable xfce compositing before compiz command?
[04:59] <Guest4431> nope
[04:59] <Guest4431> doesn't make it, too
[05:01] <Soupermanito> Guest4431, do you have installed the compiz-decorator-gtk?
[05:02] <Guest4431> no such package
[05:02] <Soupermanito> mmm
[05:03] <Soupermanito> its called libdecoration0 now
[05:03] <Soupermanito> XD
[05:03] <Guest4431> :-D
[05:04] <Guest4431> yup, this one is installed already
[05:04] <Soupermanito> oh, it should work then
[05:04] <Soupermanito> :(
[05:04] <Soupermanito> tried installing the fusion-icon?
[05:04] <Guest4431> yup, installed already
[05:05] <Guest4431> may be use indirect rendering?
[05:05] <Soupermanito> can't you choose ther your windows decorator?
[05:05] <Guest4431> i can
[05:06] <Soupermanito> and?
[05:06] <Guest4431> but no effect. i'll try now again
[05:07] <feyd> I did a clean format of xubuntu, but randomly starting with this latest restart, I'm completely unable to move any desktop icons
[05:10] <Guest4431> no effect. or i have effects enabled, but without xfwm, or i have xfwm with it's own compositing... vicious circle
[05:16] <Guest4431> feyd, did u do anything before restart?
[05:16] <Soupermanito> sorry Guest4431 XD i broke stuff trying to find out how to help you
[05:17] <Guest4431> Soupermanito, u mean logged out? don't brake anything -)
[05:17] <Soupermanito> XD ihad to log out because i lost control of the keyboard focus so i couldnt restart the xfwm4
[05:18] <Soupermanito> so i killed x from a tty
[05:18] <feyd> Guest4431: nope, nothing's changed. I encountered the same issues after upgrading from 10.10 with no provocation, formatted to fix it, which it did, then it just happened again
[05:18] <Guest4431> Soupermanito, sorry -)
[05:18] <Soupermanito> not a problem it was me trying metacity XD
[05:18] <feyd> Guest4431: haven't done anything, clicking + dragging just shows the rectangle selection like the icons arent there, but they do get selected on click and click+drag
[05:20] <Guest4431> Soupermanito, i tried metacity, too, but it doesn't work with effects, too. can only run it standalone. )))
[05:20] <Soupermanito> i have enables composition on xfce and then enabled compiz and it works
[05:23] <Guest4431> Soupermanito, mmm, ok, how exactly did u enable compiz after?
[05:23] <Guest4431> feyd, so u can't see ur icons?
[05:23] <Soupermanito> just write compiz on the alt-f2 launcher
[05:25] <Guest4431> Soupermanito, no effect again. ok, i'll try to do smth else
[05:25] <Guest4431> a sec
[05:26] <feyd> Guest4431: I see them fine, visually everything is the same
[05:26] <feyd> Guest4431: when I just click them, that's fine too
[05:27] <feyd> Guest4431: it's when I click on one and drag it to move it that it is unresponsive
[05:29] <Guest4431> hm, strange. so u can't drag them
[05:31] <feyd> not at all
[05:32] <feyd> worked fine just yesterday, it's ridiculous
[05:32] <feyd> the way it seems is that it would be common, since i'm not doing anything different
[05:32] <feyd> i find nothing though
[05:33] <buff27> I just love xubuntu
[05:33] <Guest4431> hm, well, unfortunately i don't know answer fot this, but stay on channel and ask one more time in 30 mins if nobody responds, feyd.
[05:33] <Soupermanito> feyd, because its a weird problem
[05:33] <Soupermanito> try reloging in
[05:35] <feyd> Soupermanito: tried last few times it happened with no luck (before the format), so I'll try it again, certainly won't do any harm
[05:40] <Soupermanito> feyd,
[05:40] <Soupermanito> you there?
[05:41] <feyd> Soupermanito: yes, I'm here
[05:42] <feyd> Soupermanito: going to re-login unless you need me for something right now
[05:42] <Soupermanito> go to ~/.config/xfce4/desktop  and check that you have writing access
[05:42] <feyd> Access: read & write
[05:43] <feyd> I can rename items on the desktop
[05:43] <feyd> and cut/paste/move items off it
[05:43] <feyd> just can't move the icons themselves, so bizarre
[05:43] <feyd> brb, restart
[05:45] <feyd> Soupermanito: no luck
[05:45] <Soupermanito> :(
[05:46] <feyd> indeed
[05:46] <Soupermanito> no idea, so weird, ask on #xfce , dont hope for a quick answer
[05:47] <feyd> will do, thanks for the help
[09:48] <bios__> anyone there_
[09:48] <bios__> ?
[09:50] <Sysi> ask question about xubuntu and idling people maybe ansver it after a moment
[09:52] <bios__> ok: In ubuntu you can move windows to the borders of your screen and then they can be maximized over the full screen or the half screen depending to which side. Is there any way to do something like this in xubuntu as well, e.g. due to a plugin
[09:52] <bios__> ?
[09:54] <Sysi> you can get it by running compiz, but you may get problems too
[09:55] <bios__> which kind of problems, it there any other way?
[09:55] <Sysi> you can loose your windoww borders (temporarily) and you need to fiddle a bit with compiz settings
[09:56] <Sysi> but you can try, install compiz and compizconfig-settings-manager
[09:57] <bios__> ok thanks : P I will have a look on it later on
[09:57] <bios__> cya
[10:10] <atanka> hi folks... i am having a small issue with pidgin on my xubuntu natty installation. I'd like to change the icon in the notification area, as i am using tint2 instead of xfce panel. Problem is described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10836066 (although i did not create this thread)
[10:11] <atanka> I tried it the hard way and just remove the icons from /usr/share/icons/... , but this did not work, pidgin then had no icon at all
[10:11] <atanka> question is, how can i get back to the "old" pidgin icon, which indicates that new messages arrived?
[10:33] <bin_bash> atanka, what do you mean
[10:33] <bin_bash> oh i see
[10:34] <bin_bash> just change your icon theme
[10:34] <atanka> where do i do that? in pidgin preferences i just can change the status icon theme, but that does not sound like the correct one?!
[10:35] <bin_bash> no go to settings > Appearance > Icons
[10:38] <atanka> ah ok
[10:38] <atanka> but that will change other icons as well
[10:53] <Arpad2> hello
[10:53] <Arpad2> how to run xfce4-cpufreq plugin?
[10:55] <bin_bash> is there an easy way to change the username that's displayed?
[10:55] <bin_bash> wihtout changing every path everywhere
[10:55] <bin_bash> or no
[10:57] <Sysi> new user
[10:58] <bin_bash> meh
[11:20] <EricBlade> hmm.  my wifi is -extremely- poor in xubuntu compared to my prior installs
[11:25] <Sysi> atheros?
[11:28] <Sysi> this worked for me: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=115173
[11:39] <jozefk> well you were right. kubuntu is ugly if you compare it with xubuntu. and it even works better for me. the xubuntu
[11:40] <jozefk> brb
[11:41] <EricBlade> Sysi: hmm. that doesn't seem to be the symptoms .. i can't auto-connect to anything, and it only works reliably after a cold boot
[11:44] <Sysi> well what card do you have? browse it from output of 'lspci' if you don't know
[11:44] <sagarchalise> hi I cannot ping to my router with a static ip ethernet interface plz help
[11:50] <EricBlade> Sysi: it's an ath5k
[11:53] <psycho_oreos> its basically atheros, ath5k = atheros wireless driver under linux (for non 802.11N capable chipsets nor are connected via USB)
[11:57] <jozefk> is there some dir with wallpapers in xfce just like in gnome and kde?
[14:05] <zylinder> hiya
[14:06] <zylinder> could someone please help me with something?
[14:07] <jozefk> maybe. if we know the problem
[14:07] <zylinder> I'm not the experienced when it comes to xubuntu and I spent the last two days reading about the busybox-bug
[14:07] <zylinder> unfortunately none of the answer provided so far have helped me
[14:07] <zylinder> I installed Xubuntu ~4 days ago
[14:07] <jozefk> anybody knows if it is possible to have gtalk voice chat working in xubuntu?
[14:08] <zylinder> and when I started my notebook on Friday it wouldn't boot properly
[14:08] <zylinder> it just sent me to the busybox ...and that is pretty much my problem
[14:08] <zylinder> :)
[14:09] <jozefk> what is that busybox? why xubuntu stopped booting?
[14:10] <zylinder> I don't kow much about buy box, it's a simple shell
[14:10] <zylinder> and afaik pops up whenever some important drivers couldn't be loaded
[14:10] <zylinder> not sure if that is all there is to it
[14:11] <zylinder> I searched through the forums a bit and people seemed to have that problem in 2008 :(
[14:12] <zylinder> some of them fixed the busyboy problem by adding or deleting stuff from the menu.lst
[14:12] <zylinder> whoops *busybox
[14:13] <TheSheep> jozefk: works for me
[14:14] <TheSheep> zylinder: can you boot in the recovery mode?
[14:14] <TheSheep> zylinder: can you boot older kernel?
[14:15] <zylinder> no
[14:15] <zylinder> when I boot in recovery mode
[14:15] <zylinder> it sends me to the busybox
[14:15] <TheSheep> any message before that?
[14:15] <zylinder> and I don't have to option to boot an older kernel
[14:15] <TheSheep> anything relevant in dmesg?
[14:15] <zylinder> dmesg?
[14:16] <zylinder> sorry, as I said, I'm really a beginner
[14:16] <TheSheep> just type 'dmesg' in that busybox
[14:16] <zylinder> :)
[14:16] <TheSheep> and look at the last 2 or 3 lines
[14:16] <jozefk> I installed xubuntu today :)
[14:16] <zylinder> I cant really. The busy box comes right after I "left" GRUB
[14:16] <jozefk> TheSheep, how it is works?
[14:17] <TheSheep> jozefk: just works as advertised after installing the deb
[14:17] <zylinder> I had to reinstall Xubuntu in order to get everything to boot properly
[14:17] <TheSheep> zylinder: so it's fixed now?
[14:17] <jozefk> you mean I have to download the regular google talk app for linux x64 and install and that's it?
[14:18] <TheSheep> jozefk: not sure about app, I think it's a browser plugin
[14:18] <zylinder> Sheep: well, no. Not really. I reinstalld it twice now and am now a bit scared to reboot :)
[14:18] <zylinder> "Busybox V1.1.13 (Debian 1:1.1.3 -5ubuntu12) Bult-in shell (ash)
[14:18] <zylinder> Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands"
[14:18] <jozefk> browser plugin for voice chat?
[14:18] <TheSheep> zylinder: so it happens every time?
[14:18] <TheSheep> jozefk: yes
[14:18] <zylinder> That is the message I'm getting, just with v1.1.17 instead of 1.1.13
[14:18] <TheSheep> jozefk: on the google talk page
[14:18] <zylinder> Sheep: yes
[14:19] <TheSheep> zylinder: and the install finishes correctly?
[14:19] <zylinder> TheSheep: Yes, I even had the dvd do an integrity check and everyything
[14:19] <zylinder> TheSheep: It also happened quite randomly the first time aound
[14:20] <TheSheep> zylinder: so it doesn't happen every time, but randomly?
[14:20] <TheSheep> zylinder: you can't see any pattern?
[14:21] <zylinder> TheSheep: haha, yes and no. I installed Xubuntu, it was running fine for a few days. One day I turned it on and I found myself being sent to the BusyBox Shell
[14:21] <zylinder> TheSheep: After I tried fixing it, I decided to just reinstall
[14:21] <TheSheep> the busybox usually happens when it fails to mount the root partition
[14:21] <zylinder> TheSheep: But after the first reboot I was sent to the busybox again
[14:22] <zylinder> TheSheep: Do you reckon I should check my harddrive?
[14:22] <zylinder> Or is more likely to be a driver/software problem?
[14:22] <TheSheep> if it pops up randomly, it may be some hardware failure
[14:23] <TheSheep> but I can't really tell
[14:23] <TheSheep> you might want to check your disk
[14:23] <TheSheep> you can also make sure the uuids in /etc/fstab match the uuids you get by doing ls /dev/disk/by-uuid
[14:23] <zylinder> mh and what would be the easiest way to do that? ;)
[14:23] <TheSheep> although I can't imagine what might be changing the uuids
[14:23] <zylinder> erm okay, one second
[14:25] <TheSheep> do you have another system on that computer?
[14:25] <zylinder> mh one of them matches, the other one doesn't
[14:25] <zylinder> TheSheep: No
[14:26] <zylinder> TheSheep: Just sent you the prompts
[14:27] <TheSheep> I don't need them
[14:27] <TheSheep> anyways, you might want to scan the disk for bad blocks
[14:28] <TheSheep> it takes some time, unfortunately
[14:28] <zylinder> but didn't u say that the UUIDs should match?
[14:28] <TheSheep> yes, so just look at them if they match
[14:28] <TheSheep> actually, I am being silly, your system booted this time, so of course they match
[14:29] <zylinder> but they dont, do they? only one of them matches the other
[14:29] <TheSheep> say, does that computer have raid?
[14:29] <zylinder> the other one is completely differnet
[14:29] <TheSheep> only one of them needs to match
[14:29] <TheSheep> the root one
[14:29] <zylinder> no, it's an old FujistuSiemens notebook
[14:29] <zylinder> ah alright
[14:29] <zylinder> How do I scan for bad blocks?
[14:30] <TheSheep> I can't think of anything else you might check now. If/when it happens again, boot a livecd and we can examine it then
[14:30] <TheSheep> http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2008/01/howto-check-disk-drive-for-errors-and.html
[14:31] <zylinder> cheers
[14:32] <TheSheep> it takes lots of time because ti has to try all spots on the disk, so it basically has to read everything
[14:34] <zylinder> mh I think I'll give it a shot, how long is "some time"? Are we talking 2-3 hours or 8-10?
[14:34] <zylinder> (bare in mind my harddrive is merely 80gb)
[14:36] <TheSheep> I can't really tell, I don't do it often and it depends a lot on the speed of your hard drive
[14:36] <TheSheep> I'd say 3-8 ;)
[14:36] <zylinder> TheSheep: alright, hehe
[14:36] <TheSheep> leave it overnight
[14:37] <zylinder> will do
[14:37] <zylinder> thank you very much
[14:37] <zylinder> oh - what do I do if there are any badblocks?
[14:37] <zylinder> threaten my hdd with a magnet?
[14:38] <TheSheep> zylinder: do the second command on that page
[14:39] <TheSheep> it will then try to move all the data from them to other places, and mark them as broken so that it won't use them again
[14:39] <zylinder> TheSheep: Will it do that automatically or do I have to type in something afterwards?
[14:40] <TheSheep> zylinder: just the second command from that web page
[14:40] <zylinder> TheSheep, alright, brilliant
[14:42] <zylinder> Thank you
[18:32] <adlight> i am arch user, now installing xubuntu in vbox. i like it very much
[18:34] <Unit193> adlight: Sweet! What are you looking to do with it? (I'm guesssing not change main os...)
[18:35] <adlight> no, i ke testing linux distros
[18:35] <adlight> I use arch with gnome 3 and open box now on both my computers
[18:36] <adlight> but i think xfce is very good desktop environment
[18:37] <Unit193> Did you also try Ubuntu/Unity, Kubuntu and Lubuntu? (Get some contrast)
[18:37] <adlight> :)
[18:37] <adlight> i am not a geek
[18:37] <Sysi> gnome3 works with other WM:s?
[18:37] <adlight> so i begun with ubuntu
[18:37] <Unit193> adlight: Doesn't mean you wouldn't have tried to use them
[18:38] <adlight> and after some years I got to arch
[18:38] <adlight> @ sysi : i think it does
[18:39] <adlight> i have tried ubuntu and all other flavours of it
[18:40] <adlight> @ sysi> it definetely works with openbox
[18:40] <adlight> I have them both on my computers
[18:40] <Sysi> hum
[18:40] <adlight> with others i did not tried yet
[18:40] <Sysi> would like to try it with xfwm..
[18:40] <Sysi> even if they made metacity better for it
[18:41] <Sysi> i'm still propably going with kde-netbook-plasma
[18:41] <Sysi> if i ever use that netbook anymore
[18:42] <adlight> I like kde very much
[18:43] <Unit193> Sysi: Have you tried Unity?
[18:44] <Sysi> nope
[18:44] <Sysi> afaik it's like gnome3 but more crashy and worse
[18:47] <Soupermanito> ok gparted the disks using hiren's boot cd and using the alternate installation cd
[18:55] <Soupermanito> is there a way to change the transparency of the label on the desktop icons?
[19:05] <Soupermanito> yes there is
[19:05] <Soupermanito> thank you Soupermanito
[19:05] <Soupermanito> your welcome Soupermanito
[19:22] <dan_l> Hi.
[19:22] <dan_l> Can anyone confirm or deny that gparted would be present on an xubuntu 11.04 live disk?
[19:23] <TheSheep> dan_l: it should be there
[19:24] <Soupermanito> it should
[19:24] <dan_l> TheSheep:  excellent.  I'm trying to talk a friend through dual booting xp/xubuntu.  Trouble is, he can't shrink the part from within windows
[19:24] <Soupermanito> OK! i have successfully installed xubuntu 11.04 on my sisters computer!
[19:25] <dan_l> Soupermanito:  did you install a bunch of packages to spy on her?  Because that's what I'd do.  I kid.
[19:25] <Soupermanito> :P
[19:25] <TheSheep> if you start exchanging ideas about it, I'm going to get pissed
[19:26] <dan_l> I'm kidding.
[19:26] <dan_l> Seriously.
[19:31] <Unit193> I know it's on beta2 (Should download a new ISO...)
[19:36] <Soupermanito> :D everything works out of the box!
[19:56] <Soupermanito> XD
[19:56] <Soupermanito> so i kinda unpluged my box and conected my sister's new install
[20:05] <mbn_18> Hi, I used Make Startup Disk on xubuntu live image to create a bootable USB ( 11.04 ). but its just not boot. Any idea how to debug this?
[20:07] <TheSheep> mbn_18: make sure your computer has enabled booting from usb
[20:07] <TheSheep> mbn_18: in bios settings
[20:08] <mbn_18> TheSheep: did, tried on two computer ( new I7 & a 3 year HP pavilion )
[20:08] <mbn_18> tried fd-usb / hd-usb + the other veriation
[20:09] <mbn_18> I run apt-get update before I tried the process. maybe this broke it?
[20:10] <TheSheep> I doubt it
[20:11] <Soupermanito> NOT COOL
[20:11] <Soupermanito> i've installed cheese
[20:12] <Soupermanito> it crashed every time i go to the options
[20:16] <Cube``> how can i change which window manager i want to use?
[20:16] <Soupermanito> usually whit --replace
[20:17] <Cube``> ?
[20:17] <Soupermanito> for example alt-f2 compiz --replace
[20:17] <Soupermanito> will make compiz your wm
[20:18] <Soupermanito> or metacity --replace
[20:18] <Soupermanito> or xfwm4 --replace
[20:22] <Soupermanito> sup KM0201
[20:22] <Soupermanito> i have installed xubu 11.04 on my sisters netbook
[20:22] <KM0201> Soupermanito: yo.
[20:23] <Soupermanito> and if i install cheese to see the webcam, its too dark and then if i try to co to File or any other menu, the whole X fails and i have to relogin
[20:24] <KM0201> hmm
[20:24] <KM0201> i don't know a whole lot about webcams.
[20:24] <KM0201> have never really messed w/ em
[20:24] <Soupermanito> now im doing the updates so... dont wanna try stuff
[20:24] <Soupermanito> Sysi, you there?
[20:25] <KM0201> my mom just called me w/ the most hilarious computer question ever....she calls says she's trying to access some site, and it says "missing plugin"... if she'd have stopped there, all would have been great, then she says "I've checked, and everything is plugged in properly"
[20:25] <Soupermanito> hehe
[20:26] <Soupermanito> thats nothing
[20:26] <Soupermanito> i've been on houses of people who called because they couldnt connect to the internets
[20:26] <Soupermanito> they didnt even had contracted an ISP
[20:27] <Cube``> Soupermanito: but i want that chnage to be permanent
[20:27] <Soupermanito> Cube``, if you use --replace it usually is
[20:27] <KM0201> lol
[20:27] <jozefk> lol KM0201
[20:28] <moontiger> hi guys
[20:28] <KM0201> jozefk: i played the good son, and simply chuckled, and told her how to install the plugin
[20:28] <Cube``> Soupermanito: so u just type that in the termin4l?
[20:28] <moontiger> how can i install xubuntu without writing a bootloader?
[20:29] <Soupermanito> Cube``, no alt-f2
[20:29] <Soupermanito> moontiger, what?
[20:29] <Cube``> Soupermanito: ut will be be like that if i reboot?
[20:29] <moontiger> Soupermanito, i want to install xubuntu but i dont want it to write a boot loader
[20:29] <Sysi> moontiger: installer should have option to install grub to start of root partition instead of mbr
[20:30] <Soupermanito> Cube``, it should
[20:30] <moontiger> hmmmmmm is there no option to "dont install boot loader" ?
[20:30] <Sysi> that's basically same thing
[20:30] <Cube``> Soupermanito: so for xmonad i type what?
[20:30] <Sysi> you have grub from other distro already?
[20:30] <moontiger> Sysi, yes
[20:31] <Sysi> then the option i suggested should work
[20:31] <Sysi> with alternate disk you maybe can skip installing it completely
[20:31] <moontiger> Sysi, but having another boot loader on the xubuntu partition wont screw things up?
[20:31] <Soupermanito> also doing update-grub should add other systems to ones grub
[20:31] <moontiger> ahhhhh the alternate ... i will investigate
[20:31] <moontiger> thnx
[20:31] <moontiger> Soupermanito, but i may want to remove xubuntu and that would be a problem if i did that
[20:32] <Soupermanito> Cube``, well go to a terminal and write up xmonad --help and see if it says --replace as option
[20:32] <Sysi> xmonad needs plugin for that
[20:33] <Soupermanito> oh, no idea what xmonad is
[20:33] <Sysi> killall xfwm4 && xmonad & maybe works
[20:33] <Sysi> tiling wm written in haskell
[20:34] <Soupermanito> repeat: oh, no idea what xmonad is
[20:35] <jozefk> moontiger when you come back: backup your MBR and restore after installation :D
[20:35] <Cube``> Soupermanito: repeat: tiling wm written in haskell :D
[20:35] <Soupermanito> XD i  still have no idea what that means
[20:36] <Cube``> its if you actually wanna get stuff done on your pc
[20:43] <Soupermanito> ok installing libre office XD
[20:49] <Soupermanito> OK WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?
[20:49] <Soupermanito> X keeps crashing
[20:50] <Soupermanito> now whit parole
[20:50] <Soupermanito> first whit cheese
[20:50] <Soupermanito> this is wrong
[20:50] <Soupermanito> really wrong
[20:51] <Soupermanito> worst part is that i cant really get a dump by running the app from a console, becuse the whole x session will crash
[20:53] <jozefk> Soupermanito, what's going on with you? :))
[20:53] <Soupermanito> i just installed 11.04 on a notebook
[20:54] <Soupermanito> and every time i open a program that uses video, it crashes the whole x
[20:54] <jozefk> i installed 11.04 on notebook today. x64. didn't try to play any video yet. let me try
[20:55] <Sysi> Soupermanito: see xorg log
[20:55] <Sysi> hidden in your home folder iirc
[20:55] <jozefk> works fine here Soupermanito
[20:55] <jozefk> no crash no nothing
[20:55] <David-A> Soupermanito: e.g. ~/.xsession-errors or /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:56] <Soupermanito> reading
[20:57] <David-A> Soupermanito: have you activated proprietary graphics driver? (sometimes they are better, sometimes not)
[20:58] <jozefk> my graphic is ATi and yes prop. driver is active
[20:59] <Soupermanito> i tryed but there are none at jockey
[20:59] <Soupermanito> will try installing from synaptic
[21:00] <David-A> Soupermanito: i have ati radeon hd4200 integrated on motherboard, and the proprietary driver didnt work well, i use the opensource one.
[21:00] <Soupermanito> !pastebin
[21:02] <Soupermanito> http://paste.ubuntu.com/611558/
[21:02] <jozefk> David-A, are all ATIs on notebooks integrated on MoBo?
[21:04] <Soupermanito> Sysi, http://paste.ubuntu.com/611558/
[21:04] <Soupermanito> :(
[21:04] <David-A> jozefk: i dont know, probably most, maybe not all
[21:04] <jozefk> how to know which one is and which one is not?
[21:05] <Soupermanito> worst part is that the error happened when i tried to close the window
[21:05] <Sysi> Soupermanito: first try reboot, check if you should install propietary drivers
[21:05] <Soupermanito> will do, installin libreoffice
[21:05] <Soupermanito> k brb
[21:14] <Soupermanito> this is bad
[21:14] <Soupermanito> x keeps crashin
[21:14] <Soupermanito> i tried several kinds of video formats
[21:14] <Soupermanito> and they all crash x's
[21:14] <Sysi> what player/output
[21:15] <Sysi> your xorg log looked really bad btw
[21:15] <Soupermanito> tried parole
[21:15] <Soupermanito> and cheese
[21:16] <psyklown> it seems my session keeps saving without the option being selected. ideas how to remedy this?
[21:17] <Sysi> symlink ~/.cache/sessions to /dev/null
[21:18] <Soupermanito> uninstalled it already
[21:18] <Sysi> what graphics card/driver?
[21:18] <Soupermanito> the problem is, im playing a video, it works, i close the video window the whole X crashs
[21:19] <Soupermanito> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC] (rev 01)
[21:19] <Sysi> ugh, i guess that isn't good with drivers
[21:19] <Sysi> you could try gnome-mplayer and different outputs
[21:19] <Soupermanito> what do you mean by outputs?
[21:20] <Sysi> how do you produce video to the screen
[21:20] <Sysi> with what technology
[21:20] <Soupermanito> O_o
[21:20] <Sysi> gnome-mplayer has nice dropdown-menu to try different options
[21:21] <Sysi> graphics stuff is complicated, i know about that much
[21:21] <Soupermanito> the problem comes when trying to open options menus too
[21:22] <Soupermanito> the whole x crash
[21:22] <Sysi> you could google for solutions to dealing with that GPU
[21:25] <Soupermanito> im doing that
[21:37] <Soupermanito> GAAAAAAAAAAA
[21:37] <Soupermanito> im going to cry
[21:37] <Soupermanito> this is so so so obnoxious
[21:38] <Sysi> *patpat*
[21:39] <Soupermanito> D:
[21:39] <Soupermanito> now everithing crashes after 1second of video play
[21:44] <Soupermanito> what the, i dont have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:51] <David-A> Soupermanito: did you enable/disable proprietary driver? does it chash sooner with a hi res video and later with a low res video?
[21:52] <David-A> Soupermanito: sorry i missed youve left
[21:54] <Soupermanito> ok
[21:54] <Soupermanito> this is just bad
[21:54] <Soupermanito> simply and absolutely bad
[21:57] <Soupermanito> now i've lost sound
[21:57] <Soupermanito> this is really bad
[21:58] <jozefk> it seems your notebook doesn't like xubuntu
[21:58] <Soupermanito> it seems
[21:58] <Soupermanito> well that was a lost of time
[21:58] <jozefk> did u try other xfce distros?
[21:59] <jozefk> live distros
[21:59] <Soupermanito> will reinstall win xp again
[21:59] <Soupermanito> nah
[21:59] <Soupermanito> not worth it
[21:59] <jozefk> xp? lol
[21:59] <jozefk> try zenwalk 7 before xp
[21:59] <Soupermanito> thanks anyway
[21:59] <jozefk> it's live also
[21:59] <jozefk> xp is history
[21:59] <Soupermanito> i wont download another iso, it takes too much time
[22:00] <Soupermanito> xp is good enough for this computer
[22:00] <jozefk> zenwalk is worth or that time
[22:01] <jozefk> and if the pc is old there are other nice distros for old pc
[22:01] <jozefk> like bodhi for example
[22:01] <jozefk> wattos
[22:01] <jozefk> crunchbang
[22:01] <jozefk> etc.
[22:02] <Soupermanito> they will have the same issues whit this via video
[22:02] <Soupermanito> things will brake again
[22:02] <jozefk> whats your graphic card?
[22:02] <Soupermanito> im sorry, i dont want to erase this, but this computer is just not linux compatible
[22:02] <Soupermanito> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC] (rev 01)
[22:03] <jozefk> what's that?
[22:03] <Soupermanito> apparently i need to edit xorg.conf to add openchrome as the video driver but surprise! no xorg.conf on 11.04!
[22:03] <jozefk> no xorg.conf? then add it manually.
[22:04] <Soupermanito> added xorg.conf to /etc/X11 and added the driver and surprise! nothing happened! and i lost sound!
[22:04] <Soupermanito> just, too, much
[22:04] <jozefk> I would never go for XP on old computers. or for XP  at all, in general :)
[22:05] <Soupermanito> will install 7
[22:05] <Soupermanito> pro
[22:05] <Soupermanito> i hate doing that
[22:05] <jozefk> there are so many great linux distros...
[22:05] <Soupermanito> indeed
[22:05] <Soupermanito> this one is awesome
[22:05] <jozefk> win7 will work on that?
[22:05] <Soupermanito> but it won't work
[22:05] <Soupermanito> yes it originally came whit vista
[22:06] <Soupermanito> well see you later
[22:06] <jozefk> then why don't you dual boot win7 and linux?
[22:06] <jozefk> ...
[22:06] <jozefk> :)
[22:07] <Soupermanito> what did you said jozefk ?
[22:07] <Soupermanito> :) im on my box now
[22:07] <Soupermanito> XD
[22:08] <jozefk> I said: why don't you dual boot win7 and linux?
[22:08] <Soupermanito> because linux wont work
[22:08] <Soupermanito> aint you reading?
[22:08] <jozefk> xubuntu won't work
[22:08] <Soupermanito> its my sister computer, she aint so techy
[22:09] <jozefk> that's what I see
[22:09] <jozefk> there are hundreds of distros and DEs
[22:09] <Soupermanito> yes i know, but if stuff crashes...
[22:09] <Soupermanito> wait
[22:09] <Soupermanito> wait
[22:09] <Soupermanito> i can try 10.04
[22:11] <jozefk> I would not do that. I would try other distros. i'm 100% sure some would work.
[22:11] <Soupermanito> thats what im trying, other distros
[22:12] <jozefk> 10.04 is not other distro :)
[22:12] <Soupermanito> XD
[22:12] <Soupermanito> yes yes it is
[22:12] <David-A> Soupermanito: i missed you 20 mins ago and i wasnt clear about this: did you enable/disable proprietary driver? does it chash sooner with a hi res video and later with a low res video?
[22:12] <Soupermanito> it crashes all the time
[22:12] <Soupermanito> after 2 seconds of video
[22:13] <Soupermanito> or if i try to even place the mouse over - [] X  buttons
[22:13] <jozefk> if win7 can work on that laptop then gnome and kde can work also :)
[22:15] <David-A> tried enable or disable proprietary?
[22:15] <Soupermanito> yes
[22:16] <Soupermanito> created the xorg.conf file
[22:16] <Soupermanito> added driver openchrome, etc
[22:16] <Soupermanito> none worked
[22:19] <Soupermanito> i have just gived up
[22:19] <David-A> it wasnt stable enough to run menu>system>hardwaredrivers or synaptic?
[22:19] <Soupermanito> i did that
[22:19] <Soupermanito> the only problem was whit video playing and sound
[22:20] <bin_bash> what's the command to check the temps?
[22:22] <David-A> Soupermanito: so you could enable and disable proprietary with hardwaredrivers and playing video crashes x in both cases?
[22:24] <Soupermanito> yes
[22:25] <Soupermanito> i have already given up David-A, installing 7 whit the proper license because pirating is wrong
[22:25] <jozefk> :)
[22:58] <john_rambo> Trying to connect Dlink ADSL Router GLB 802 C via USB   ...... http://pastebin.com/ADQgksft  I am using another PC now ...ready to follow instructions
[23:05] <jozefk> :)))