[03:35] ok, finally found the email and voted === yofel_ is now known as yofel [06:27] morning [06:42] mornin [06:43] how can it be morning? [06:44] that's backwards even for me [06:44] unless you are in India [06:44] or somethign [06:44] lol [06:44] It's later than that: it's morning in Europe already (albeit early). Something about Daylight Savings Time [06:44] did you move to India without saying? [06:44] lol [06:44] PERSIA!!!!!!!!!!! [06:44] nawww [06:45] {{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}} [06:45] persia: hows life? [06:45] so nice to see you here [06:45] and know you survived the earthquake and all [06:45] DarkwingDuck, Fairly boring (which is a nice change). For you? [06:46] persia: things are looking up. have a second interview this week sometime [06:46] valorie, Well, one more sense down. 3 to go? [06:46] DarkwingDuck, Oh, nice! [06:46] persia: ypu, the canonical qa position [06:46] lol [06:47] qa community position [06:47] cool, DarkwingDuck! [06:47] Oh. Interesting. [06:47] I did see a nice photo of you and Harald, Persia [06:47] the Men in Black [06:47] Jono liked the first interview so i get a second one [06:48] would be excellent to get more Kub. people in Canonical [06:48] aye [06:56] heh [06:56] it's 7:56 here :P [06:57] :-) [06:57] I was just kidding around with DarkwingDuck [06:57] good $timeofday to you [06:57] :-) [06:57] :) [07:35] May I have my daily rant? [07:36] only if you pass out candy first [07:36] * valorie missed the jussi party at UDS [07:36] * jussi passes candy *and* cookies [07:36] wooooooooooooooooo [07:37] rant away! [07:37] anyway, so, my unuseful, crazy rant is that Kmail sucks. its slow, ugly and frustrating. [07:37] I soooo agree [07:37] jussi: which version? [07:37] not to mention annoying and unuserfriendly [07:38] I can't wait for a successful rollout of 2 [07:38] used to be GREAT [07:38] the BEST [07:38] Kontact [07:38] Version 4.4.10 [07:38] ah, the old one [07:38] have to agree in certain degree [07:39] I am this || close to finding out which ppa the new one is in and trying it on my production machine... [07:39] i want the new one [07:39] I have soooo much old mail, I think it will choke [07:40] I'm so unproductive with email that I can use development builds of Kmail without any worries (as long as it doesn't eat them entirely) [07:40] I have gmail and just use it on the web [07:40] after kmail stopped sending mail [07:40] it would get it find [07:40] fine [07:41] valorie: I think my Kmail holds some 40 000 mails or more, haven't choked yet [07:41] initial download was slow, ofcourse [07:41] I have 4 gmail/google accounts - you can only log into 3 at a time. so Im screwed with that... [07:41] (unless I use a client) [07:42] I think I have twice that [07:42] maybe I should learn how to zip some of that up [07:43] I should learn to read my mails [07:43] there is only so much time in a day [07:44] I could spend all day on just email [07:44] that [07:44] that's not productive [07:45] ok, where is the ppa with new kontact in it... [07:46] ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental [07:46] does kmail2 work with imap yet? [07:46] wfm [07:47] I don't use it much though [07:47] im tired of kmail [07:48] was thinking mozilla [07:49] !ppa [07:49] A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. [07:49] I've been using thunderbird for years now, does all I need [07:50] and it actually quits when I close it.. [07:50] yeah? [07:51] well, bbl [07:51] !kppa is Kubuntu has several different PPA's for those who want to test or upgrade to the latest version. More information on the available Kubuntu PPA's can be found here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs [07:51] I'll remember that, jussi [07:51] !kppa [07:51] Kubuntu has several different PPA's for those who want to test or upgrade to the latest version. More information on the available Kubuntu PPA's can be found here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs [07:51] :) [07:52] * yofel hugs jussi and vanishes [07:53] yofel: before you vanish, is kontact going to head to beta or backports soonish ? [07:53] and is it going to Oneiric? [07:55] not sure, afaik it should be released sometime soon, so oneiric probably, or backports together with 4.7 when it's out [07:55] when is 4.7 due to drop? [07:56] http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.7_Release_Schedule [08:00] hrm, so it seems it should have gone beta already... therefore it should head to the beta repo, no? [08:00] shadeslayer: get on it! :D [08:02] DarkwingDuck: how it would not work with imap? [08:02] Tm_T: last i checked it freaked out [08:03] hmmm, can't remember it doing that to me [08:03] but I use dimap [08:04] DarkwingDuck: hows your packaging training going? [08:20] jussi: on hold till these interviews are over. [08:20] DarkwingDuck: fair enough. [08:21] jussi: I really want and need this job LOL [08:21] DarkwingDuck: good luck!! [08:22] jussi: Thanks mate [08:29] Whoot, found yet another feature I LOVE about yakuake [08:29] split windows [08:30] kubotu: I voted [08:30] no? Maybe? [08:30] !vote [08:30] Sorry, I don't know anything about vote [08:30] One of these days I'll figure out how to use kubotu [08:30] kubotu: help [08:30] help topics: 10 core modules: auth, basics, config, filters, httputil, irclog, remote, unicode, userdata, wordlist; 55 plugins: alias, autoop, autorejoin, bans, bar, botsnack, chanserv, debug, dns, eightball, excuse, factoids, googlefight, greet, hangman, host, insult, iplookup, karma, keywords, lart, lastfm, map, markov, modes, nickrecover, nickserv, note, poll, q, quote, reaction, remind, ri, roshambo, rot, rss, salut, script, [08:30] search, sed, seen, shiritori, spotify, time, topic, translator, tumblr, twitter, uno, urban, usermodes, wheeloffortune, wserver, youtube; 31 plugins ignored: use help ignored plugins to see why; 1 plugin failed to load: use help failed plugins to see why (help for more info) [08:31] awww [08:36] DarkwingDuck: -- === a1 is now known as al [10:08] DarkwingDuck: you need to order an i voted button [10:08] kubotu: order i voted button for DarkwingDuck [10:08] * kubotu hands DarkwingDuck a blue "I Voted" button with an annoyed rick on it. [10:08] Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati [10:08] now you have got two of them [10:09] kubotu: order i voted button for valorie [10:09] * kubotu hands valorie a blue "I Voted" button with an annoyed rick on it. [10:09] Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati [10:09] yay! [10:13] valorie: go to bed [10:13] in a minute! [10:14] and you should talk, my dear hypocrite [10:14] lol [10:14] apachelogger: son, that was rude [10:15] valorie: it is 11:15, I am supposed to be up! [10:15] Tm_T: depends on the POV [10:15] we should implement XPs way of dealing with overtime: no overtime [10:18] he knows me well, I stay up too late [10:18] but am soon going to bed [10:21] niters [10:45] hello [10:46] I’m coding web page for phonon that designed sheytan. http://ryrych.pl/null/phonon/ [10:46] apachelogger ^^ [10:46] could you tell me please what do you wish to have in text boxes? [10:58] phew [10:58] insanely hot in Graz today [10:58] ryrych: aloha [10:58] The User Base is the home for Phonon users and enthusiasts. It provides high quality information for end users on how to use Phonon. [10:58] The Tech Base is the primary place for high quality technical information about Phonon targeted at 3rd party developers. [10:58] apachelogger: hey [10:59] If you are interested in joining the Phonon community and help making awesome things happen, the Community wiki is your place to start. [10:59] ryrych, sheytan: looks most awesome already :D [11:01] apachelogger yeah :D [11:01] now put it on phonon.kde.org and share the news :D [11:11] apachelogger: ah, please give me the links to these pages: userbase, etc :) [11:11] ryrych: userbase.kde.org - techbase.kde.org - community.kde.org [11:12] sheytan: first I need to find out who controls that site ^^ [11:15] A guy on -power-users just posted a link to a Marlin screenshot, (http://imagebin.org/154596), which seems to be just a gtk dolphin clone. There was one thing though that I liked, which is the "open with" thing on the right. any way we can get that in dolphin? [11:16] design fail [11:17] jussi: entirely possible, question is if peter wants it in dolphin at all [11:17] bugs.kde.org is your friend ^^ [11:17] apachelogger: I thought it would be more a dolphine plugin, no? [11:18] jussi: that implies that there is a plugin system for adding stuff ot the info panel [11:18] oh? [11:19] which is not there and IMHO does not have sufficient use case [11:20] ok [11:23] sheytan: found sysadmin, stuff is moving :D [11:24] apachelogger: is Phonon opensource or more specifically Free software? [11:24] if the latter, sheytan used GNU logo and wrote about OS [11:24] for some fanboys it is deadly sin :D [11:28] * apachelogger notes that he also did not like that :P [11:28] if you say open source, then use the OSI logo rather than GNU, of course the OSI logo does not go well with the site color wise [11:30] ryrych: so, to answer your question it is free software :) [11:30] by the definition of free software it is also open source though, so... *shrug* [11:31] apachelogger: so, can i leave the gnu logo or should i use osi? [11:32] stay with gnu [11:34] ryrych: if you send me a zip/tar/whatever I can push it to our repository now [11:34] or if you by any chance have KDE commit access you could do that too I suppose :) [11:34] sheytan, ryrych: apachelogger: btw, very cool looking site [11:35] apachelogger: basically it is finished :) [11:35] ryrych: ok, send it to sitter@kde.org and I'll get it uploaded [11:35] server part is also ready, so I suppose we only need to switch the DNS record around :) [11:36] * sheytan & ryrych rock! [11:36] indeed [11:36] sheytan++ [11:36] ryrych++ [11:36] what about me? [11:36] I’m glad that I could add my 0.3$ :D [11:38] Tm_T: isn't my continous love enough, mom? [11:39] * apachelogger is very jumpy as he is waiting for ryrych's mail ^^ [11:39] hehe [11:42] apachelogger: check your inbox :D [11:44] apachelogger: you can blog about it, so it will be on planetkde. That way everybody will know about it :D [11:45] yeah, thought the same thing 5 minutes ago :P [11:46] debfx: hi [11:47] debfx: I am about to merge your request 328 into Qt Creator [11:47] danimo: hi [11:48] debfx: let me guess: before that patch you had some funny script in the Creator package to achieve the same? [11:48] (or patch) [11:49] cool :) [11:49] yeah I moved the icons around [11:49] debfx: the only thing that annoyed me a bit was that this patch adds new folders [11:49] debfx: then again, given qmake it's the simplest way [11:50] danimo: I tried to leave the icons where they are but haven't found a good way to achieve that with qmake [11:54] sheytan, ryrych: http://phonon.kde.org/ (depending on your DNS server it might not yet be populated to the new address) [11:55] apachelogger: I’ve sent you a small fix :D [11:56] sheytan: btw, perhaps we should change the icons for the 3 wikis (having a caucasian male for all three seems a bit odd IMHO) [11:56] debfx: I think yours is also the first contribution to be reviewed via the the new codereview system :) [11:57] apachelogger that's the fix ryrych is talking about [11:58] ah [11:58] * apachelogger waits a bit then ^^ [11:58] danimo: heh, where is it? I only see the merge request on gitorious [11:59] debfx: I haven't closed it yet [11:59] apachelogger: I will send subsequent ‘patches’ to your e-mail when I notice them, ok? [11:59] ryrych: sure, great :) [11:59] debfx: and it takes the usual 60 mins to show up on gitorious [11:59] apachelogger: fine, so bye for now! [12:00] ryanakca: thank you, see you :) [12:01] debfx: just closed the merge request [12:01] how do i see replays to me fron identi.ca web? [12:07] danimo: thanks :) [12:07] is the review system publicly accessible? [12:16] sheytan: I am bloggin, yet I Should be learing, thanks very much :P [12:18] apachelogger you're welcome :) [12:37] debfx: no, not yet [12:37] debfx: but it will [12:37] debfx: we'll blog about it shortly [12:48] somehow I get to put a lot more blog posts into the wdp category than ever before [12:48] supposedly a good sign [13:17] hi [13:18] kaleo: Welcome. [13:18] thank you [13:18] Everyone: kaleo works on unity-2d and will likely want to get some changes done on our Qt packages to help minimize the amount of space it takes on the Ubuntu CD. [13:19] Would we expect that to be a similar modularisation to that we were discussing for Mobile? [13:20] My guess is related, but not the same. [13:21] kaleo: Even if you don't end up being the one doing the packaging changes, you're still welcome to hang out. [13:21] agateau can tell you we don't bite. [13:22] ScottK: thanks :) [14:15] afiestas: does kamoso have a website or anything that announces new versions? [14:17] debfx: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/23/gerrit-joined-the-qt-creator-project/ [14:17] debfx: your change should also be in the public repo now [14:55] debfx: yes, lemme get the link [14:56] debfx: and for some reason ...i didn't notice qt-gstreamer was in universe altho i'm sure i checked it during the MIR and i saw it was in main :S [15:01] debfx: i got the tar from http://kde.mirror.aussiehq.net.au/stable/kamoso/2.0/src/ [15:02] that's all that afiestas gave me ^_^ [15:02] danimo: aha, interesting [15:02] next qt creator needs a desktop file :) [15:03] shadeslayer: yeah I've found that too but I was looking for an actual website :) [15:05] debfx: all i could find was the page on kde-apps [15:06] So, I'd like to install Kubuntu on a netbook from a debootstrap environment. As a result, I won't be running the regular installer. Do I need to do anything special to get the Netbook interface, or just install the kubuntu-desktop task and let it notice the lack of pixels? [15:06] afiestas: the kamoso 2.0.1 tarball doesn't have a po/ dir [15:06] persia: should just notice the lack of pixels [15:07] persia: if not, then you can pick between desktop & netbook interface (my netbook is highe res than my 15" laptop) in System Settings -> Workspace [15:07] I'd argue that you have a small laptop and a large netbook, but then I generally believe functionality beats form :) Thanks. [15:08] hehe, but the 13 and 15 inch laptops (1280x800) can compile things in about 1/10 the time the 1336x768 netbook can [15:08] debfx: 2.0.2 on its way [15:08] brb === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [15:30] JontheEchidna: if I say muon 3 times in front of a mirror, will a cow appear? [15:30] wow, everybody pings me the exact moment I wake up and start responding to pings that came throughout the night :P [15:31] \o [15:31] JontheEchidna: it is not supposed to make that sound, you leave the brakes on [15:32] hehe [15:32] but I like that sound :'( [15:32] :D [15:34] debfx: it exists -- in the installer generator :( [15:34] debfx: but we can add it, sure [15:35] debfx: I added loads of stuff to make creator's make install more FDO compliant [15:35] debfx: but it wasn't picked up for a long time [15:35] debfx: and bit-rotted [15:38] JontheEchidna: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-NOltWYsJw [15:38] the youtubez makes you see awesome without having to digg through billions of files with other awsome [15:40] apachelogger: about persia's question, shouldn't Plasma automagically detect that the screen resolution is netbookish and ask user if he want's Netbook interface? [15:40] ask the user anything := fail [15:41] No more VHDL [15:41] I think that should only happen if the user has not previously expressed a preference. I'd be rather annoyed if I started getting different interfaces depending on whether I had a monitor attached. [15:41] my head might just explode [15:41] Hmm, true [15:42] kubotu: medal for Quintasan [15:42] persia: I do not think that is the case, unless you turn off the the netbook screen [15:42] Quintasan: sneaky [15:42] apachelogger, Some hardware does that automatically when you attach an external screen. [15:42] apachelogger: how does one get button from kubotu? [15:43] kubotu: order i voted button for Quintasan [15:43] * kubotu hands Quintasan a blue "I Voted" button with an annoyed rick on it. [15:43] Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati [15:43] :O [15:43] persia: I am not saying it isn't a valid concern, just that it should not happen ;) [15:44] Oh, I agree it should not happen. [15:44] persia: do you know it happens? [15:44] oh i should vote for the council [15:44] because I believe we pull some copy magic to actually make plasma-netbook permanent no matter what the screen dimension is [15:44] though settings will be foobared [15:44] I know that some hardware defaults to turning off the local screen when a remote screen is attached. Such hardware tends to be less expensive than hardware that can drive two screens, so tends to end up in certain classes of equipment. [15:45] shadeslayer: make sure to rank me first and Quintasan last [15:45] Quintasan isn't on the list [15:45] Sometimes such hardware can be forced to behave properly with useful free drivers and shared system RAM, but not all hardware has such drivers. [15:46] apachelogger: I thought we wanted more non-developers on KC so I did not apply :) [15:46] done [15:46] Quintasan: hence I told shadeslayer to rank you last :P [15:46] I voted... [15:46] kubotu: order i voted botton for jussi [15:46] * kubotu slides i voted botton down the bar to jussi [15:46] oh [15:46] typoz [15:46] jussi: late ping :P [15:46] kubotu: order i voted button for jussi [15:46] * kubotu hands jussi a blue "I Voted" button with an annoyed rick on it. [15:46] Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati [15:46] kubotu: order i voted button for shadeslayer [15:46] * kubotu hands shadeslayer a blue "I Voted" button with an annoyed rick on it. [15:46] Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati [15:47] ooh [15:47] Quintasan: Im on mobile, but will ping soon. [15:47] jussi: Could not poke you earlier since school = tests = if you take out your phone and teacher sees it == confiscated [15:48] Quintasan: there's no blink in debian [15:48] /me goes looking for code [15:48] today really is typo day [15:49] or I had too much coffee [15:49] Quintasan: seprate repo tho ... [15:49] shadeslayer: I told you, what did you read it as? [15:49] Quintasan: you said that blink was packaged in debian [15:49] I said it was packaged in THEIR Debian repository [15:49] ah [15:50] PROTIP: everyone can host Debian repository [15:50] i just read that as blink was IN the debian repo ... like official package and such [15:51] that is the ultimate target here I believe [15:51] Not happening, tumbleweed wouldn't like another strange python package without official maintainer :D [15:51] hehe [15:51] there you have it jussi [15:52] no blink for ya [15:52] Quintasan: even has some weird repo .. darcs [15:52] darcs is not weird [15:52] s/repo/rev. control system [15:52] just crap [15:52] apachelogger: i've never heard of it [15:52] apachelogger: Isn't that making it even worse? :D [15:52] Why "without official maintainer"? Would the people who already packaged it be willing to maintain it? [15:52] that is because you never read no nothing [15:52] dcars was very popular amongst certain kind of people [15:53] persia: if they were willing I think they would have already submitted it :) [15:53] shadeslayer: Contact upstream first, maybe they are too lazy or don't know how to do it [15:53] Quintasan, You presume that everyone understands the Debian social processes. [15:53] persia: See line above :) [15:53] considering they know how to package in such a way that they can build for multiple distros and multiple series I'd argue that they do have the knowledge [15:54] +1 [15:54] * Quintasan bets on "too lazy" [15:54] * apachelogger bets on "don't give a rats behind" [15:55] * apachelogger just got lost in what appears to be very old kde code [15:56] huh [15:57] apachelogger: apparetly TI is going to release video drivers in a couple of months now instead of weeks [15:57] ( for the pandaboard ) [15:57] * jussi just grumbles [15:57] does not compute [15:58] apachelogger: current natty video drivers for pandaboard are shot [15:58] they have a pvr driver for omap4 in their ppa, dont they? [15:58] don't work etc [15:58] apachelogger: doesn't work like the maverick one, loads of regressions etc [15:58] a couple of days back they wrote that the new drivers will be released in a couple of weeks [15:58] shadeslayer: "no blink for me" isnt acceptable. at least put it in a ppa for me... :D [15:59] now its a couple of months [15:59] jussi: oh i can do that [15:59] jussi: but first i'm going to contact upstream [15:59] shadeslayer: where? [15:59] apachelogger: where what? [15:59] shadeslayer: !! Excellent. [15:59] where they be announcing such things [16:00] on their google groups mailing list [16:00] one sec [16:01] apachelogger: http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/msg/9ddc308c20567247?dmode=source [16:02] or rather http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/msg/9ddc308c20567247? :P [16:04] oh [16:04] float on [16:04] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTAud5O7Qqk [16:06] you mean photon :P [16:06] apachelogger: btw did your welcome package arrive? [16:07] no, what package? [16:07] sooo... we have gone from 1 to 2 meego phones planned (link, in finnish: http://www.mobiiliblogi.com/2011/05/22/nokian-meego-puhelin-kehittajille-qwertylla-kuluttajille-ilman/ ) [16:07] anyway, Im off [16:07] jussi: LG is also making meego devices IIRC [16:07] apachelogger: gsoc welcome package [16:07] I got one last year [16:08] apachelogger: for this year ^_^ [16:08] so I'd be twice as welcome? [16:08] yes :D [16:08] that is a bit unfair perhaps [16:11] shadeslayer: are you going to https://desktopsummit.org/program? [16:12] c2tarun: maybe [16:12] apachelogger: whats a AGM? [16:12] GNOME and KDE AGMs [16:12] overlord meeting [16:13] anual general meeting [16:13] ah [16:13] overlord meeting seems so evil :P [16:13] i.e. the elite gnome foundation has their tedious sitdown and the kde e.v. too :P [16:13] * apachelogger shall hope to be member so he can get bored there too :D [16:13] got it [16:14] apachelogger: you could go wearing your pink hat and entertain everyone [16:14] :O [16:15] Quintasan: what happened? [16:15] apachelogger: you could go wearing your pink hat and entertain everyone [16:15] my kickass new bathing suit might be equally efficient [16:15] ah ... yes [16:15] apachelogger: probably [16:16] much like this one http://www.anthonyshaffer.co.uk/Pics/Screenplays/EvilSun15.JPG [16:17] also it has the advantage that I can drive out to the wannsee and go for a swim right after the AGM [16:17] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gro%C3%9Fer_Wannsee [16:19] apachelogger: what does one do if qdbus cannot handle return types of a dbus method call? [16:19] depends on what you want to do :P [16:20] apachelogger: http://api.syncevolution.org/#Session.GetDatabases [16:21] apachelogger: i have no idea what 's' and 'a(ssb)' are .... [16:22] better read some documentation then [16:22] (qdbusviewer should be able to print that) [16:24]