[01:07] <Ahmuck> silverarrow: ?
[01:07] <Ahmuck> silverarrow: have u tried decss?
[01:13] <silverarrow> hi
[01:13] <silverarrow> I fixed it
[01:13] <silverarrow> somehow the video output method got messed up
[01:14] <silverarrow> a setting in vlc
[01:14] <poltak> Mate, off-topic conversion. First warning
[01:15] <poltak> Conversation* damn, it's too early.
[01:39] <Ahmuck> poltak, cussing, not allowed, first warning
[02:17] <silverarrow> how does a network password sniffer work?
[02:18] <silverarrow> #ubuntu
[03:22] <Onions> I am downloading the new version of ubuntu
[03:23] <Onions> lubuntu*
[03:23] <Onions> can the monitor save the settings now?, i tried lxde in mint, and i had to manually set the resolution everytime
[03:24] <jmarsden> Onions: Try it and see; if X recognizes the resolution you want, the LXDE utilities should let you set it and keep it.
[03:25] <Onions> how long was it released? I just realized yesterday
[03:40] <jmarsden> he went away??
[05:28] <zen_monkey> nights, i've managed to install lubuntu on my pc
[05:28] <zen_monkey> and after first boot only thing i get is an error after starting bluetooth (wich machine does not have...)
[05:28] <zen_monkey> codec_read: codec 0 is not valid
[05:29] <zen_monkey> what may it mean?
[06:13] <bioterror> press ctrl + alt +f1
[06:13] <bioterror> you should see login
[06:20] <zen_monkey> bioterror, indeed but i want X to work :o
[06:21] <bioterror> then you should log in and look into /var/log/
[06:21] <bioterror> there's Xorg.0.log
[06:22] <zen_monkey> i've found the error on some places refering to something with alsa
[06:23] <bioterror> X11 has nothing to do with alsa
[06:23] <zen_monkey> anyway thanks for the clue... i'll come back tomorrow
[06:23] <zen_monkey> codec_read codec 0 is not valid 0x107e5370
[06:23] <zen_monkey> that's the exact text at boot, appears 4 times then it halts
[08:43] <michael_> I can't get gnome-do to start can anyone help please?
[08:44] <michael_> I just did a fresh install of lubuntu on my computer
[08:44] <bioterror> lubuntu and gnome...
[08:44] <michael_> well, i just like gnome-do
[08:44] <michael_> it works in peppermint which also runs lxde
[08:45] <bioterror> what does gnome-do then do?
[08:45] <michael_> it's an application launcher
[08:46] <poltak> Try synapse
[08:46] <poltak> There is a ppa, I'm pretty sure
[08:46] <poltak> much lighter, looks nicer, and same functionality
[08:46] <michael_> Nice
[08:47] <michael_> downloading right now
[08:47] <poltak> It's even got a default theme to make it look just like gnome-do if you are used to it
[08:48] <michael_> hmm pretty nice
[08:48] <michael_> thanks
[08:48] <michael_> i think i'll just use this now
[08:49] <michael_> you dont happen to know anything about a gtx 260 causing problems in lubuntu do you?
[08:50] <michael_> whenever i update the graphics card driver, the resolution makes text way too small for me to read
[08:51] <poltak> try different driver
[08:52] <michael_> I've tried going to system tools->additional drivers and also tried downloading the driver from synaptic, both have caused the same problem
[08:52] <michael_> so i had to reinstall and now i'm just not using any driver for the graphics card
[08:53] <michael_> i also went on the nvidia site and tried downloading the driver directly from the site, but it is a .run file and it doesn't seem to do anything when I execute it
[08:53] <michael_> I just right clicked and checked the execute box and tried to run it
[08:53] <poltak> hmm, have you gone to the ubuntu forums? They are very helpfull generally
[08:54] <poltak> I really do not know how to help you here, I'm sorry. I'm sure someone else here would though
[08:55] <michael_> it's cool
[08:55] <michael_> thanks
[08:56] <michael_> i did notice that i didn't have that problem in xfce though
[08:57] <poltak> Just reinstall Windows 7. It's generally pretty good out-of-the-box support for drivers
[08:58] <michael_> haha I actually tried to install that on one of my partitions today
[08:58] <michael_> unfortunately it seems like windows 7 would need to be the first os installed on a paricular hd
[08:59] <michael_> for it to boot
[08:59] <michael_> in any case it came up with an error messege when i tried to install it
[09:58] <Luffy> Hello, can someone tell me how to add this channel to XChat?
[09:59] <bioterror> do you mean autojoin
[09:59] <bioterror> or what
[09:59] <bioterror> /server chat.freenode.net
[09:59] <bioterror> /join #lubuntu
[10:00] <Luffy> I'm new to XChat. This is what I see.
[10:00] <Luffy> How to add this channel to Xchat list?
[10:01] <bioterror> http://xchat.org/faq/#q23
[10:01] <Luffy> It says  Looking up newserver * Unknown host. Maybe you misspelled it?
[10:02] <Luffy> When I add the link above to Xchat list?
[10:03] <bioterror> bigger boys told me not the give advices that requires terminal, so I'm not familiar with XChat and I cannot help with that
[10:03] <bioterror> maybe we have here someone who is graphical irc client specialist
[10:03] <bioterror> ircII EPIC4 and 5 I know like my own pockets, I also know something about irssi and I'm current using weechat
[10:04] <Luffy> Because XChat came with Lubuntu. So I just use it.
[10:05] <Luffy> Is weechat still in beta?
[10:06] <bioterror> not that I know
[10:06] <bioterror> I'm using dev tree
[10:06] <Luffy> Are u using it on Lubuntu?
[10:07] <bioterror> I hardly irc locally
[10:11] <szczur> Luffy, click on XChat > Network List
[10:11] <szczur> then you will get a window that looks like the on on the left on this image http://szczur.ath.cx/sshots/xchat/2.png
[10:11] <szczur> select freenode and click Edit
[10:13] <szczur> then set Autoconnect on startup and choose the channels you want to autojoin wrting it in comma separated list. For example #lubuntu,#lubuntu-offtopic
[10:17] <Luffy> @<szczur> are you talking to me?
[10:17] <meetingology> Luffy: Error: "<szczur>" is not a valid command.
[10:17] <szczur> yes :)
[10:17] <Luffy> Are u using XChat?
[10:18] <szczur> take a look at http://szczur.ath.cx/sshots/xchat/2.png
[10:18] <szczur> yes
[10:19] <Luffy> I got it to work on XChat.
[10:20] <Luffy> I didn't use Network Freenode. I use Ubuntu. In Favorite Channel. I put Lubuntu. So I'm here.
[10:22] <szczur> :)
[10:22] <Luffy> Can you tell me why both Freenode and Ubuntu has the 8001 at the end?
[10:22] <szczur> this is the port nomber that client communicate through with server
[10:23] <szczur> like 80 for http server, 22 for ssh etc.
[10:24] <Luffy> some network don't have the number at the end?
[10:24] <szczur> then they conect by default port which is 6667
[10:25] <Luffy> Last question, If I want to manual add the netword to the XChat. How do I know the port?
[10:27] <szczur> You can got the info from server webpage (if there's one) or something like this. most of the servers listen on 6667
[10:29] <Luffy> If it use 6667, I don't need to add the number at the end, right?
[10:30] <szczur> that's true i think :)
[10:30] <poltak> You will, sorry Luffy
[10:32] <szczur> for example FDF.net don't have nombers at the end and after connecting to it you can read "Connecting to irc.fdfnet.net (207.145.6.5) port 6667..."
[10:33] <poltak> Yes, that is correct. Put the numbers there
[10:33] <szczur> poltak, you don't have to put numbers if the server communicate on 6667
[10:35] <Luffy> So if I want to add FDF.net to my XChat, I put irc.fdfnet.net   in the server for New Network?
[10:36] <szczur> you click on Add then you choose new name for the network. For example FDF
[10:36] <poltak> szczur: please get yourself educated before claiming something as fact
[10:37] <szczur> poltak, /conect irc.fdfnet.net
[10:37] <szczur> /connect
[10:37] <szczur> you don't have to specify port
[10:37] <szczur> by default it willl fallback to 6667
[10:38] <Luffy> szczur is right. I just tried it.
[10:38] <Luffy> No need to put 6667 at the end.
[10:38] <poltak> szczur: get over yourself
[10:39] <szczur> Luffy, then you will see the newserver/6667 on the top of edit window. Click this line once and put server address there
[10:40] <Luffy> The XChat is kinda confusing.
[10:41] <Luffy> At first, I thought the Networks is support to put the irc.fdfnet.net. After that I figured it just the name. have to click on Edit to put  real Network
[10:42] <szczur> Network list contants only "profiles"
[10:42] <szczur> each network can have different configurations
[10:42] <Luffy> Yes. now I know. First time use
[10:43] <Luffy> IF someone ask me how to add new server to XChat, I will tell them.
[10:46] <Luffy> Are you using Chromium?
[10:46] <szczur> nope, i didn't like it from the start and nothing changed since then :)
[10:47] <szczur> Firefox FTW :>
[10:47] <Luffy> Yup. I'm trying to figure out how to install Flash on Chromium.
[10:48] <Luffy> Don't know why it came with Lubuntu?
[10:50] <szczur> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[10:50] <szczur> and then sudo cp /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins/
[10:51] <szczur> but first try without this cp command
[10:52] <Luffy> No cp?
[10:53] <szczur> tfirst try without it
[10:53] <szczur> if it won't work do the cp line
[10:56] <Luffy> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[10:56] <Luffy>   ndiswrapper-common libdmraid1.0.0.rc16 archdetect-deb python-pyicu
[10:56] <Luffy> Should I remove it?
[10:56] <szczur> sudo apt-get autoremove < this command will get rid of them
[10:58] <Luffy> Question, from now on if it says No longer required. I can remove it, right?
[11:08] <Luffy> It works.
[11:08] <Luffy> Thank you.
[11:09] <szczur> cool :)
[11:09] <Luffy> I have to use the cp.
[11:10] <Luffy> What is cp for?
[11:10] <szczur> this is the copy comman
[11:10] <szczur> d
[11:33] <ogex> hello, howto restore evolution mail backup to sylpheed ?
[12:17] <head_victim> ogex: mail, contacts or both? Or other filters?
[12:18] <ogex> both
[12:18] <ogex> but mail more important
[12:18] <head_victim> Apparently evolution just uses mbox which you can just open in sylpheed
[12:20] <ogex> head_victim, i only have evolution backup (tar.gz)
[12:20] <ogex> so ?
[12:23] <head_victim> So what they're saying is you can select all the mail items in evolution then right click and "save as" and it should save the files to an mbox format which you can just import into slypheed
[12:23] <head_victim> http://www.stchman.com/export_evolution.html is where I was getting the information
[12:35] <MrChrisDruif> Does anybody know the ActionName for ToggleMaximized for Windows?
[12:56] <ogex> ah, evolution to much bug
[12:56] <ogex> i only have tar.gz file, now i cant restore to evolution on other PC
[13:17] <MrChrisDruif> Does anybody know how to add a desktop row in OpenBox?
[13:21] <szczur> MrChrisDruif, the one where you see all desktops and switch, add or remove them?
[13:21] <szczur> try this <menu id="client-list-menu"/>
[13:22] <MrChrisDruif> In lubuntu-rc.xml ?
[13:22] <szczur> in menu.xml
[13:23] <szczur> arrgeez, my bad, i'm using pure openbox without lxpanel and etc
[13:24] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[13:24] <szczur> did you mean somethign like this? > http://szczur.ath.cx/menu.png
[13:24] <bioterror> pure openbox <3
[13:25] <MrChrisDruif> I'm trying to add a desktop row, so like now I've got 3 desktops in 1 row, but know I want 6 desktops in 2 rows (so total of 6 desktops)
[13:26] <szczur> aaah :P
[13:26] <szczur> now i understand
[13:26] <bioterror> no rows
[13:26] <bioterror> only one line in lxpanel?
[13:26] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[13:27] <MrChrisDruif> But whether lxpanel shows 2 rows or just one I don't care, as long as I can get to all those desktops
[13:27] <bioterror> just add them :D
[13:27] <bioterror> in preferences or what was it
[13:28] <bioterror> was it openboxconfigurator
[13:28] <bioterror> it will tweak your lubuntu-rc.xml
[13:28] <MrChrisDruif> It only lets me add more desktops...has no option for more rows
[13:28] <bioterror> and I said you cant get more rows
[13:30] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror; Why are there options to go up or down to an other desktop?
[13:32] <MrChrisDruif> Default short is C-Up and C-Down
[13:32] <szczur> MrChrisDruif, http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:FAQ#How_do_I_put_my_desktops_into_a_grid_layout_instead_of_a_single_row.3F
[13:32] <szczur> so it depends on pager/panel
[13:33] <szczur> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/572298
[13:34] <MrChrisDruif> So I'd need to change my pager in order to get it working?
[13:35] <bioterror> yes
[13:35] <bioterror> try FVWM2, it has many rows ;)
[13:38] <MrChrisDruif> I what language is lxpanel written?
[13:39] <bioterror> most of the LX-stuff is writtein in C++, if I remember right
[13:42] <rajatanpacelana> Masih gw...
[14:03] <jgratero> General question... How do I lock screen in Lubuntu?
[14:03] <jgratero> tried ctrl+alt+l like in ubuntu, but nothing
[14:05] <poltak> ctrl+alt+f1
[14:05] <jgratero> thanks
[14:06] <MrChrisDruif> poltak; that doesn't lock it
[14:06] <MrChrisDruif> You go to tty1 then
[14:06] <szczur> jgratero, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ#I%20want%20to%20bind%20key%20to%20lock%20my%20screen,%20how%20do%20I%20do%20it?
[14:06] <MrChrisDruif> You have to add it in your lubuntu-rc.xml
[14:06] <jgratero> thanks
[14:06] <poltak> try it yourself, hero. It says enter username etc
[14:07] <poltak> wait, what's tty1?
[14:07] <szczur> uhm, because it goes to the virtual terminal?
[14:07] <MrChrisDruif> poltak; That isn't the same as locking ;)
[14:07] <MrChrisDruif> BRB
[14:08] <poltak> argh it is locking, whatever
[14:08] <poltak> it does the same thing
[14:08] <szczur> nope, because you can press Ctrl+Alt+F7 and you have your screen back
[14:08] <szczur> without entering any password
[14:09] <poltak> Yeah, well I'm pretty sure everyone else at school is not going to realise how to do that, are they?
[14:09] <poltak> So in effect (note I said in effect), it is the SAME as locking
[14:09] <poltak> *rolls eyes*
[14:09] <szczur> but still it's not locking the screen
[14:10] <szczur> What if you have many linux users in home? And they do know how to change terminals?
[14:10] <poltak> okay, in THAT case then you are correct
[14:10] <poltak> in 99% of other cases I AM correct
[14:11] <jgratero> I think szczur suggestion is what I'm looking for
[14:11] <poltak> jgratero: heh, whatever
[14:11] <jgratero> but thanks to all!
[14:12] <poltak> jgratero: if you don't want to be a brainless nincumpoop, just try what I said first
[14:12] <poltak> just try it and maybe make up your OWN mind on this issue
[14:12] <poltak> if it doesn't work for you, fine. sobeit
[14:24] <jgratero> I'll do that
[14:30] <Onionhead> hi
[14:31] <Onionhead> i am trying to install lubuntu and i am having some problems
[14:31] <KM0201> and those problems are...?
[14:31] <Onionhead> well, i downloaded the cd from the torrent
[14:31] <Onionhead> i cheked the md5, and everithing went fine
[14:32] <Onionhead> i put the disk in the computer, but i cant start the live mode
[14:32] <Onionhead> it just stop at the command line
[14:32] <KM0201> Onionhead: whnen it drops to console, does it say something like "busybox"
[14:32] <Onionhead> if i choose to install, instead of booting the live sesion
[14:32] <Onionhead> it crashes halfway through
[14:33] <Onionhead> nope, it only says desktop$desktop:
[14:33] <Onionhead> or something similar
[14:33] <KM0201> but above the prompt, there's nothin that says "busybox"?
[14:33] <Onionhead> I havent noticed, right now i have burned the cd a second time
[14:34] <Onionhead> i am in the install menu
[14:34] <KM0201> ok...
[14:34] <KM0201> well, couple things...
[14:34] <Onionhead> ok
[14:34] <KM0201> 1.  burn the ISO SLOW... i know the md5 checks out fine, etc.. but believe it or not, this can have an effect on the quality of burn... I never burn mine above 4x.
[14:34] <KM0201> second..
[14:35] <bioterror> KM0201, you seem to have lots of time
[14:35] <KM0201> if it continues to be a problem, download the "Alternate Install CD"... it's a totally text based installer
[14:35] <KM0201> bioterror: ? what do you mean by that
[14:35] <bioterror> 4x takes so long
[14:35] <bioterror> 15mins
[14:35] <Onionhead> I have 512 ram, i guess the graphical installer should work
[14:35] <KM0201> doesn't take long... 5-6min.
[14:36] <Onionhead> right?
[14:36] <KM0201> Onionhead: *should* and *does* are obviously very different
[14:36] <Onionhead> :P
[14:36] <Onionhead> ok, lets see how it goes this round
[14:36] <Onionhead> it says that the installer has failed
[14:37] <KM0201> ..
[14:37] <Onionhead> i will try to start the live session again
[14:37] <KM0201> Onionhead: have you ahd other versions of linux on this machine before, or is windows currently on it?
[14:37] <Onionhead> it used to have ubuntu 10.04
[14:38] <Onionhead> i formated the disk with parted magic
[14:38] <KM0201> ok
[14:38] <Onionhead> cause i thought that was causing the problem
[14:38] <KM0201> not really sure why that would be.. but.. ok
[14:38] <Onionhead> (the installer crashes, when it is trying to format the hd)
[14:39] <Onionhead> (so, i though it could have been a bug in gparted)
[14:40] <KM0201> Onionhead: also, assuming it has a wired connection that is recognized, you might wanna try the "Minimal" install...    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[14:40] <Onionhead> i am at the command prompt, it doesnt says bussy bux
[14:40] <Onionhead> ok, give me a sec
[14:40] <KM0201> ok.. thast fine.
[14:41] <Onionhead> it says that it is starting ntp, and blue tooth
[14:41] <Onionhead> and then it says something about sudo
[14:41] <Onionhead> and thats all}
[14:41] <bioterror> install mini.iso
[14:42] <bioterror> and manually lubuntu-desktop
[14:42] <KM0201> yeah, i'd use the mini iso as well.
[14:42] <Onionhead> ok, i will give it a try
[14:42] <bioterror> !mini | Onionhead
[14:43] <bioterror> we can then wonder your xorg.0.log
[14:43] <Onionhead> the problem is that my internet connection is not the greatest
[14:43] <bioterror> if you have no quota for the used bw, we have time
[14:43] <KM0201> no kidding, i burn cd's at 4x, i havec all day
[14:44] <Onionhead> and which burner do you recomend?
[14:44] <bioterror> im heading to my kids day clubs spring party or something :D
[14:44] <KM0201> Onionhead: you could also try the alternate install cd... it would probably work as well...
[14:44] <bioterror> they are all the same at the end
[14:44] <Onionhead> I only have a desktop (the one i am trying to fix) and a netbook
[14:44] <KM0201> yeah,
[14:45] <Onionhead> i am usin my mothers computer (with vista) to burn the cds
[14:45] <KM0201> i see
[14:45] <Onionhead> with img burn
[14:45] <bioterror> most of them just have different layout, same libs beneath
[14:46] <Onionhead> i will download the alt cd, and will let you know when it is ready
[14:46] <Onionhead> thanks
[14:46] <KM0201> ok, gl
[14:46] <bioterror> its small
[14:46] <KM0201> well, the alternate cd, is the same as the normal cd.
[14:46] <bioterror> hmmm
[14:47] <Onionhead> this is the first time i have been having problems with a linux install (so far i have only used graphical installers)
[14:47] <bioterror> we all have our first times
[14:47] <KM0201> Onionhead: if you're experienced w/ graphical installers, the alt cd/minimal iso, will probably not be that difficult for you
[14:48] <bioterror> actually with mini you get easily the latest packages :D
[14:48] <KM0201> true..
[14:49] <KM0201> but it takes longer..
[14:49] <Onionhead> is it similar to debian netinstall?
[14:49] <KM0201> Onionhead: very.
[14:49] <bioterror> yes
[14:50] <KM0201> only thing is, i don't recall it giving you a choice in what to download.. it just downloads everything for Ubuntu
[14:51] <Onionhead> ok, this is weird
[14:51] <bioterror> just the core
[14:51] <Onionhead> i have just booted a mint live cd, with lxde
[14:51] <Onionhead> and it says that i only have 256 ram, but i actually have 512
[14:52] <Onionhead> (and where can i get the minimal cd?)
[14:52] <KM0201> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[14:52] <KM0201> follow the instructions to add Lxde
[14:52] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends
[14:53] <KM0201> whast the "no-install-recommends" mean?.. the codecs, etc+
[14:53] <Onionhead> ok
[14:53] <KM0201> if so, i'd leave that off, but thats me.
[14:54] <Onionhead> I am already downloading
[14:54] <bioterror> its stuff that apt-get recommends
[14:54] <Onionhead> do you think that the ram may be the problem?
[14:54] <bioterror> no
[14:55] <bioterror> if ram is problem, usually computer does not boot
[14:55] <Onionhead> but the live cd should detect the 512, right?
[14:55] <KM0201> yup
[14:55] <Onionhead> ah, ok
[14:56] <Onionhead> yesterday i was having some problems with my video card, so i disarmed the computer, maybe I did something and that is why it is only detecting half of it
[14:56] <phillw> the --no-install-recommends prevents uneeded packages being installed.
[14:56] <KM0201> ic
[14:57] <Onionhead> just 20 more seconds
[14:57] <Onionhead> thanks in advance
[14:57] <Onionhead> :D
[14:58] <Onionhead> done, i dont have any cds at home, i will go the supermarke, give me a sec
[15:00] <bioterror> atleast he buys cd-rs
[15:00] <bioterror> i remember that one guy who refused to buy them
[15:08] <Onionhead> haha, i cant boot from a flash drive, so...
[15:08] <Onionhead> give me a sec i am going to burn the cd
[15:10] <KM0201> bioterror: thats kinda silly, but... i guess.
[15:13] <Onionhead> ok, i am at the command prompt now
[15:14] <KM0201> just hit enter
[15:15] <KM0201> then after that, seelect command line install, and follow along.
[15:15] <Onionhead> ok
[15:16] <Onionhead> ok, it is downloading some tuff
[15:16] <Onionhead> i just chose the keyboard and my nationality
[15:16] <KM0201> yeah...
[15:18] <Onionhead> btw, what is the difference between apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade?
[15:18] <KM0201> apt-get upgrade, runs system upgrades...
[15:19] <KM0201> dist-upgrade, will upgrade a distribution (if you've set up your sources properly).
[15:19] <KM0201> in otherwords, upgrade, will giv eyou all the "Natty" upgrades.
[15:19] <KM0201> dist-upgrade, i fyou set up your sources(and it was available) would upgrade you to 11.10
[15:20] <Onionhead> ic
[15:20] <Onionhead> so, with ubuntu based stuff it is better to use upgrade
[15:20] <KM0201> it depends on what you're doing
[15:20] <Onionhead> well, for regular updates
[15:20] <KM0201> if you don't change your source list, dist-upgrade isn't going to do anything
[15:21] <KM0201> it'll just go through and say "no updates"
[15:21] <Onionhead> ok
[15:21] <Onionhead> i am at the partition part
[15:21] <KM0201> ok.
[15:22] <KM0201> do you set up your partitions some specific way, or do you jsut "use whole disk" or whatever it says
[15:22] <Onionhead> i made three partitions with parted magic
[15:22] <Onionhead> one for / one for swap and one for /home
[15:22] <KM0201> ok.
[15:22] <Onionhead> should i choose manual then?
[15:23] <KM0201> probably, that can be problematic "precreating" your partitions like that... /swap and /home are probably ok, but i would delete and recreate /
[15:23] <WiZ> you can just choose manual and ask it to format the partitions
[15:23] <WiZ> should work okay
[15:24] <KM0201> they're formatted anyway, he formatted the whole disk.
[15:24] <KM0201> i see what you're saying though
[15:24] <KM0201> that should work also.
[15:24] <WiZ> yes but it doesn't hurt and usually works :P
[15:24] <KM0201> it "almost always" works.. :)
[15:25] <Onionhead> ok, done :P
[15:25] <Onionhead> i chose manual and selected the mounting points
[15:25] <WiZ> the only time manual doesnt work is when the choices are wrong lol
[15:25] <WiZ> cool
[15:25] <KM0201> ok
[15:25] <WiZ> that should work fine
[15:25] <Onionhead> now it is dowloading some other stuff
[15:25] <Onionhead> thanks
[15:25] <WiZ> mnt points /, /home and swap
[15:26] <Onionhead> yeah
[15:26] <KM0201> i've never used the minimal cd, just the live cd's and alt. cds
[15:26] <KM0201> on the minimal cd, will it automaticallky install Gnome? or will it just install a command line OS, and then he can install lubuntu?
[15:26] <WiZ> any specific reason to use minimal?
[15:26] <KM0201> WiZ: live cd won't boot properly
[15:26] <WiZ> just command line
[15:26] <KM0201> oh ok, thats good, so you don't end up w/ a ton of crap
[15:27] <Onionhead> WiZ, the live cd was not working for me
[15:27] <WiZ> won't boot? - how much RAM?
[15:27] <Onionhead> 512
[15:27] <Onionhead> WiZ, it used to have ubuntu 10.04
[15:27] <KM0201> phillw: what exactly are those "unneeded" packages from that "no-install-recommends" keeps from being installed?
[15:27] <WiZ> when you say not working, what do you mean?
[15:27] <Onionhead> it didnt load the live session
[15:27] <Onionhead> and the "install" session, kept crashing
[15:28] <WiZ> ahhh it took you to a prompt?
[15:28] <KM0201> WiZ: my guess is, cuz the mint live cd worked, it was either a bad burn, or something else, but the minimal cd is more fun.
[15:28] <KM0201> lol
[15:28] <Onionhead> the live session? yeah
[15:28] <WiZ> if that happens next time try typing sudo startx
[15:28] <WiZ> :)
[15:28] <Onionhead> KM0201, but the mint cd didnt detect the 512 ram, i dont know what to think about it
[15:28] <KM0201> true..
[15:29] <KM0201> WiZ: i think he did try that.. or at least i thought i saw it mentioned
[15:29] <Onionhead> hehe, ok
[15:29] <WiZ> didn't detect RAM? what makes you say that??
[15:29] <Onionhead> KM0201, i tried , but it says it didnt knew what X was, or something
[15:29] <KM0201> right.
[15:30] <Onionhead> WiZ, i have 512 ram split in two different card (excude my english), but it only detected 256
[15:30] <Onionhead> yesterda it was detecting the whole 512, so I dont know that to think
[15:31] <pacsipd> hi
[15:31] <WiZ> Onionhead - just suppose your ram came lose or something then the mint cd would detect 256 and the lubuntu live cd would take you to a prompt
[15:32] <WiZ> so it seems you may have a hardware issue as that is exactly what is happenning?
[15:32] <Onionhead> WiZ, yeah
[15:32] <KM0201> lubuntu live cd should have booted fine w/ 256mb of ram
[15:32] <Onionhead> but Km, recommended me to try the minicd, and so far it was worked
[15:32] <WiZ> I would check that bios is detecting 512
[15:33] <Onionhead> it has*
[15:33] <Onionhead> ok, i will give it a try later on
[15:33] <WiZ> KM0201 - not all machines will boot with 256 - I have a couple here that won't
[15:33] <KM0201> weird.
[15:34] <WiZ> they boot but don't start x
[15:34] <WiZ> but a sudo startx then works
[15:34] <WiZ> once installed though lubuntu works fine
[15:35] <WiZ> just the live version can be iffy - specially if you don't already have a swap partition
[15:35] <Onionhead> ok :D, I should wait then
[15:35] <WiZ> I would check bios if I was you Onionhead
[15:35] <WiZ> see if it reports 256 or 512
[15:36] <Onionhead> yeah, i will wait till this install, and then i will check the bios and inside the computer
[15:36] <WiZ> cool
[15:36] <Onionhead> at least today is my free day at the uni
[15:36] <WiZ> if you are at a prompt you can also type free
[15:36] <KM0201> Onionhead: i don't know if you caught this link earlier, but once the minimal install is done, just follow these instructionsj to install lubuntu   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[15:37] <Onionhead> yeah, KM0201 you send it to me, thanks
[15:37] <KM0201> oh ok.
[15:38] <KM0201> i'm still curious what that "no-install-recommends" means
[15:38] <Onionhead> 33% :D
[15:38] <KM0201> phillw: said it "doesn't install unecessary stuff" but what exactly does it consider "unecessary"
[15:38] <WiZ> recomended stuff but not actual dependencies
[15:39] <Onionhead> WiZ, free show the total ammount of ram, right?
[15:39] <KM0201> free -m
[15:39] <WiZ> among other things, yes Onionhead
[15:39] <Onionhead> ok
[15:39] <Onionhead> i have learned a lot of cool stuff since i have been using linux, i guess thats what keeps me going
[15:40] <Onionhead> 83% and it is downloading some other stuff
[15:40] <WiZ> km http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html#s-depends
[15:41] <KM0201> Onionhead: is it still installing the OS, or is it now installing lubuntu-desktop?
[15:41] <WiZ> KM0201 that explains recommends
[15:41] <Onionhead> my first distro was fedora, but i didnt knew how to do anithyng and i quited, i tried againg when lucid linx was released
[15:41] <Onionhead> it is still installing the distro
[15:41] <WiZ> Package A recommends Package B, if the package maintainer judges that most users would not want A without also having the functionality provided by B.
[15:41] <Onionhead> (slow connexion)
[15:42] <KM0201> Onionhead: fedora is pretty solid actually.. if i was gonna use a RH spin, i'd use Fedora
[15:42] <KM0201> i much prefer debian
[15:42] <Onionhead> yeah, but you need to learn a lot of stuff before using it properly
[15:43] <KM0201> WiZ: just reading that, i think i would want the "recommended" installs
[15:43] <tarikt> is there a way to show trash can, computer, etc...on desktop in lubuntu 10.10
[15:44] <KM0201> tarikt: it's a pain, i tried.
[15:44] <KM0201> and it doesn't work that well
[15:44] <KM0201> the trashcan, it doesn't "change" when you have trash in the can.
[15:44] <KM0201> it just sits there as a useless icon
[15:44] <Onionhead> when i was in highschool, most of the computers had slackware, so at least i knew how to move around the desktop
[15:44] <KM0201> ya
[15:45] <tarikt> thanks ;)
[15:45] <Onionhead> and a couple of years ago most of the computers at the uni had ubuntu, but they changed it to xp, for some reason
[15:46] <Onionhead> and now they are full or viruses :S
[15:46] <KM0201> that would seem kinda dumb, if you've already implemented Ubuntu, just stick w/ it
[15:46] <Onionhead> yeah
[15:46] <KM0201> the money you save in software licenses alone would be worth it
[15:47] <Onionhead> the people from It made a big fuss about it, but no one really cared
[15:47] <KM0201> Onionhead: what did free -m show anyway?
[15:47] <Onionhead> i am not at the command prompt yet
[15:47] <Onionhead> it is still downloading some stuff
[15:48] <Onionhead> just five more minutes
[15:48] <KM0201> oh ok
[15:49] <KM0201> does anyone know why my default browser would be set to Firefox, and all apps open links in Firefox, except Xchat.
[15:51] <KM0201> actually, wait.. pidgin is opening in chrome also.
[15:58] <KM0201> wel here's the answer to that question... :)  follow "step 2" under "Other"   http://xchatdata.net/Using/Browser  for debian systems
[15:59] <KM0201> brb
[16:01] <Onionhead> WiZ, i just created an user, and now it is dowloading some other stuff
[16:01] <Onionhead> i guess i am almost done
[16:01] <Onionhead> :D
[16:02] <WiZ> cool
[16:03] <Onionhead> what should i do, if the bios doesnt detect the 512 ram?
[16:03] <Onionhead> check inside the computer or what?
[16:03] <WiZ> yes - check that the ram sticks are seated correctly
[16:04] <Onionhead> ok
[16:19] <Octatron> Also try the stick in different slots, sometimes that works
[16:27] <Onionhead> ok
[16:30] <Onionhead> is it safe to keep your /home directory when changing distros?
[16:31] <WiZ> it is not unsafe
[16:35] <Onionhead> it seems it got stuck
[16:36] <WiZ> stuck?
[16:36] <Onionhead> the installer
[16:36] <WiZ> what does free -m show?
[16:37] <Onionhead> i chose no auto updates and it is supposed to be downloading something, but it doesnt move
[16:37] <Onionhead> i am not done yet
[16:39] <Onionhead> would it be safe to reconnect the router?
[16:39] <Octatron> Onionhead: perhaps also run a live linux disc and run "memcheck" just to make sure all your ram is clean
[16:39] <Onionhead> i cant load my homepage in firefox, in this computer
[16:47] <Octatron> rebooting a router is always a good idea :)
[17:14] <silverarrow> hi
[17:14] <silverarrow> is M player suppose to play youtube videos?
[17:15] <silverarrow> or able to, are probably better choice of words
[17:16] <silverarrow> any lubuntu guys still breathing after the last updates?
[17:16] <silverarrow> in respirators?
[17:20] <silverarrow> lubuntu runs fine now
[17:22] <KM0201> silverarrow: no, mplayer doesn't play youtube videos
[17:22] <silverarrow> thanks
[17:22] <KM0201> and yes, this mornings updates went fine for me
[17:23] <silverarrow> good to hear
[17:23] <bioterror> KM0201, my apt-get is configured by default no suggestions and recommends ;)
[17:23] <bioterror> less is more!
[17:23] <silverarrow> I installed a fairly large hard drive on an ancient laptop, and it seems to work fine
[17:24] <silverarrow> like upgrade from 10GB to 350GB
[17:25] <silverarrow> hard drives used to be really small
[17:25] <silverarrow> now they are 1TB, for notebooks
[17:26] <silverarrow> I have a suspicion hard drives go slow after a couple of years
[17:26] <bioterror> really?
[17:26] <bioterror> you think SSD's becomes slow? :D
[17:26] <silverarrow> yeah, at least a bit
[17:26] <silverarrow> no not ssd
[17:26] <silverarrow> sata
[17:26] <silverarrow> or IDE
[17:27] <bioterror> those are becoming obsolete
[17:27] <silverarrow> hmm, Sata is pretty common in new computers still
[17:28] <silverarrow> do you know if ss drives are longlasting?
[17:28] <bioterror> all the time they are getting better
[17:28] <silverarrow> I mean, formatting, writing and rewriting the hard drive every now and then, and it's flash based?
[17:29] <silverarrow> BIOS are flash, and last, but how often if ever is it upgraded?
[17:29] <KM0201> sata is still pretty common, id on't think SSD is gonna realy catch on, until the price comes down (except on higher end rigs)... IDE is almost non-existant on new PC's nowdays
[17:30] <bioterror> 512GB is 1100e :D
[17:30] <silverarrow> yes, only old laptops that need a replacment
[17:30] <KM0201> silverarrow: well, or old PC's that need a replacement.. :)
[17:30] <silverarrow> lol
[17:30] <KM0201> my youngest sisters PC that I built about 10yrs ago, still has IDE devices
[17:30] <silverarrow> yeah, but it's nice to have an extra laptop in case
[17:30] <KM0201> it is in dire need of an upgrade though
[17:30] <silverarrow> lol
[17:31] <silverarrow> and the hard drive is still all right?
[17:31] <KM0201> yeah, its fine
[17:31] <bioterror> KM0201, http://geeksect.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/laptop-pizza-box.jpg does your sisters laptop look like this? :D
[17:31] <silverarrow> I keep getting new hard drives, SATA and ide
[17:31] <KM0201> actually, only thing i've ever replaced in that PC.. about 3mo ago, I replaced the power supply, cuz i could tell it was going kaput (random restarts, loud like crazy, etc..)
[17:32] <KM0201> bioterror: lol, its a pC, not a laptop
[17:32] <silverarrow> lol,  cool laptop
[17:32] <silverarrow> maybe it's the laptop 2,5" that goes bad
[17:32] <KM0201> i guess thats onje way to deal w/ a cracked laptop case
[17:33] <KM0201> silverarrow: naa, i think its all about quality of components.
[17:33] <KM0201> i don't build cheap crap...
[17:33] <silverarrow> I just buy computers, and get annoyed
[17:33] <KM0201> my acer laptop.. the original Hard drive was an 80gig Western Digital, it still works (have it in a closet), but i upgraded to a 160gig Hitatchi, probably... 4yrs ago?.. it's fine.
[17:33] <silverarrow> fujitus is bad
[17:34] <silverarrow> hp is pretty good
[17:34] <KM0201> i've not bought a PC in so long (other than a laptop and netbook) in so long... at least 15yrs.
[17:34] <silverarrow> lenovo I'm not shore
[17:34] <silverarrow> macs last
[17:34] <KM0201> last pc i bought was a 400mhz Compaq
[17:34] <silverarrow> like 1999?
[17:35] <silverarrow> I didn't have a pc then
[17:35] <silverarrow> lol
[17:35] <silverarrow> at home at least
[17:35] <silverarrow> come to think of it I did,
[17:36] <silverarrow> my fathers old computer is still alive, and in use 1994, but upgraded
[17:36] <silverarrow> he has bought a new mac a few days ago, latest top model
[17:37] <silverarrow> it still has the original hard drive, but new ram and more usb ports
[17:38] <silverarrow> he is bragging about it to everybody
[17:45] <silverarrow> hi Kristian
[17:53] <kristian_> hi silverarrow etc
[18:04] <bioterror> Onionhead, how's going
[18:04] <Onionhead> WiZ, KM0201 i am back, some guy destoyed the internet cables with a truck
[18:04] <Onionhead> hi bioterror
[18:04] <KM0201> lol
[18:05] <KM0201> don't you love it
[18:05] <WiZ> wow
[18:05] <KM0201> so did it brick your install?
[18:05] <Onionhead> and I lost my connection for a while
[18:05] <Onionhead> i thought so
[18:05] <bioterror> :D
[18:05] <WiZ> how much ram does bios see?
[18:05] <Onionhead> but it doesnt seem so
[18:05] <KM0201> good
[18:05] <Onionhead> it is dowloading some stuff
[18:06] <WiZ> lol
[18:06] <Onionhead> it is not done yet
[18:06] <Onionhead> i wil, check as soon it is ready
[18:06] <KM0201> is it still installing the OS, or are you installing lubuntu on it now?
[18:06] <bioterror> KM0201, with no-recommends we are also minimizing chanches to fetch unwanted gnome packages ;)
[18:06] <KM0201> i guess.
[18:06] <Onionhead> still installing the os, because of that guy
[18:06] <KM0201> oh
[18:06] <WiZ> lol
[18:06] <Onionhead> ¬¬
[18:06] <Onionhead> haha
[18:07] <KM0201> wel,l you weren't down very long, so thats pretty good.
[18:07] <KM0201> you were only gone about an hour or so
[18:07] <KM0201> if that
[18:07] <Onionhead> it seemed as an eternity
[18:07] <Onionhead> at least i cleaned the house
[18:07] <KM0201> lol
[18:07] <KM0201> did you restart or did you just let it sit there not able to connect, then the connection came back on, and it just started downloading again?
[18:08] <Onionhead> the last thing i did was creating the user
[18:08] <Onionhead> yeah, it says that something has failed, and that i had to restart that step
[18:08] <KM0201> oh ok, well thats good.
[18:09] <Onionhead> those guys really think of everithing
[18:09] <KM0201> i'd probably start over.. but thast me.. :)
[18:09] <KM0201> yeah... they do a pretty good job.
[18:09] <Onionhead> I am not as pacient :P
[18:10] <Onionhead> I guess that I only need to install the grub and it will be done
[18:12] <KM0201> Onionhead: hopefully all goes well.
[18:12] <KM0201> i'm just not  so sure about interrupted installs (although admittedly, i've never had an issue w/ one)
[18:13] <Onionhead> well lets hope that linux gods have pity of me
[18:14] <Onionhead> should I install the grub in the default location?
[18:15] <smile4ever> Hi ;) I have a question ;)
[18:16] <smile4ever> about lxpanel :p
[18:16] <smile4ever> how do i change the color that appears when the window is flashing to get attention? :p
[18:16] <smile4ever> Default is blue. I would like to change it to red or something :)
[18:16] <smile4ever> help me please ;)
[18:16] <KM0201> Onionhead: yes
[18:19] <Onionhead> the bios is only detecting half the ram
[18:19] <Onionhead> and if i try to start the os, the monitor just start to blink. i Will check the ram then
[18:24] <KM0201> sounds like u got a hardware issue.. :(
[18:25] <KM0201> bad news, have to buy ram.. good news.. I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico.,
[18:31] <bioterror> I would suggest him to swap dimm's
[18:31] <bioterror> to check if the RAM slot is broken
[18:31] <KM0201> yup.
[18:31] <KM0201> or.. he could save money on his car insurance by switching to geico
[18:32] <bioterror> I could save money my taking features off from my car insurance :D
[18:32] <bioterror> I have towing and all stuff in it :D
[18:32] <KM0201> lol
[18:32] <bioterror> I get 40 euros / day when my car is out of use
[18:34] <silverarrow> KM0201, where do find ram then?
[18:34] <silverarrow> :- )
[18:34] <KM0201> silverarrow: if its that old... ebay. :)
[18:34] <bioterror> internet is full of RAM
[18:35] <silverarrow> how old?
[18:35] <KM0201> i upgraded an old compaq laptop from 256, to 1gig (max) for like 43..lol
[18:35] <silverarrow> ebay is great like that
[18:35] <KM0201> ram was new..
[18:35] <Unit193> bioterror: How do I download this RAM? ;)
[18:36] <KM0201> Unit193: duh... sudo apt-get install ram
[18:36] <silverarrow> lol
[18:36] <KM0201> if you've not added the PPA however, you'll have to compile from source
[18:37] <silverarrow> lubuntu runs pretty well in 512MB ram
[18:37] <KM0201> yup.
[18:38] <silverarrow> it's weird how these old laptops keep on going
[18:38] <silverarrow> new ones brake down after a few years
[18:38] <KM0201> yup, that compaq laptoop i mentioned above, is a 900mhz
[18:38] <silverarrow> they are a bit heavy though, the old ones
[18:38] <KM0201> i bought it used, w/o an OS.
[18:38] <KM0201> doesn't even have internal wireless.
[18:38] <KM0201> lol
[18:38] <silverarrow> then 1GB pc133 sodimm is worth it
[18:39] <KM0201> yup.
[18:39] <KM0201> and it really wasn't expensive anyway.
[18:39] <silverarrow> they didn't back then I suppose
[18:39] <KM0201> i thnk the total, w/ shipping... was liek 55 bucks.. wasn't expensive to push it to 1gig
[18:39] <silverarrow> the good wireless adaptors are external
[18:39] <KM0201> yeah, i use it for a very specific purpose (it isn't drug around the house).... so i just ran ethernet cable to it from the router.
[18:40] <KM0201> i had a 100ft of it here just waiting to be cut/crimped
[18:40] <KM0201> now, i have 70ft..lol
[18:41] <silverarrow> I have used my old second hand laptop as an extra work station, and in a crisis,
[18:41] <KM0201> well, wha ti use it for, i only need it to be 1. reasonably compact (or moreso than a PC) 2. internet access 3. a spreadsheet app.
[18:41] <KM0201> i don't use it for anything else
[18:41] <KM0201> it's only got a 30gig hard drive
[18:46] <silverarrow> 30GB is enough
[18:46] <KM0201> yup
[18:47] <KM0201> i sometimes use it to stream music to... which it also works pretty good for
[18:56] <Ahmuck> it's sudo aptitude install sdram
[18:56] <silverarrow> i use my old laptop for anything online, and word processor
[18:57] <silverarrow> I don't play games or anything like that, so I don't miss much from my regular computer
[18:57] <KM0201> ya.. my "other" old laptop (its pushing about 6-7yrs i think)... is my everydayer... :)
[18:57] <KM0201> then my PC, is if i really need to do real work
[18:58] <silverarrow> I have found it's mostly picture editing and play aoround with graphics that are consuming cpu and ram
[18:58] <silverarrow> and Totemplayer
[18:58] <silverarrow> major ram eater
[18:58] <silverarrow> and cpu
[18:59] <KM0201> yeah, totem is a hog.. Parole is awesome
[19:01] <silverarrow> totem is great can handle everything, but needs a new model
[19:01] <Ahmuck> vlc
[19:02] <silverarrow> parole is new to me
[19:02] <silverarrow> VLC has been my favorite for years
[19:02] <KM0201> Ahmuck: vlc had a bunch of probs
[19:02] <KM0201> this past new version
[19:02] <KM0201> there's several bugs on it
[19:02] <silverarrow> the vlc guys usually fix it don't they?
[19:05] <KM0201> silverarrow: i dunno, i been trackig this last bug... haven't seen it fixed yet
[19:05] <silverarrow> I see
[19:06] <silverarrow> maybe it is fixed in the next version, I think it's out soon
[19:06] <KM0201> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/743323
[19:06] <silverarrow> I have VLC 1.1.9
[19:07] <KM0201> i'll try it and see.. i thinkj it was 1.1.7 that had all the issues
[19:08] <silverarrow> I shall check out Parole
[19:09] <KM0201> parole is slick
[19:09] <silverarrow> I'm not that aware of the bugs though, as long as things work fairly well
[19:09] <KM0201> hmm, vlc seems to work great now.
[19:09] <silverarrow> can be found in package manager?
[19:10] <KM0201> silverarrow: 1.1.9 is in the package manager now, thus why youv'e not had the issue.
[19:10] <KM0201> the previous version, you'd startit, it would immediately cause an almost toal system lockup due to memory leaks.
[19:10] <silverarrow> yes, and I installed vlc yesterday lol
[19:10] <KM0201> yeah, thast why you didn't see the prob... :)
[19:10] <KM0201> lucky you.
[19:10] <silverarrow> lol
[19:10] <KM0201> i just reinstalled it and its working fine
[19:12] <silverarrow> well, I need coffee and chocolate, so I  shall have to brave a bit of rain
[19:12] <KM0201> lol
[19:12] <silverarrow> see you later
[19:12] <KM0201> be safe. :)
[19:12] <silverarrow> you too
[19:12] <silverarrow> :- )
[20:19] <Onions> the instalation is complete
[20:19] <Onions> thanks to all the people who helped me
[20:19] <Onions> At the end of the day, the ram was loose and the was the cause of all the problems
[20:21] <silverarrow> good you found a solution
[22:15] <Guest82765> Anyone got problems with transmission?
[22:15] <Guest82765> mine locked up
[22:16] <Guest82765> Couldn't open "/home/michael/.config/transmission/lock": Permission denied
[22:16] <Guest82765> Any help would be appreciated
[22:18] <bioterror> quit transmission if it's open
[22:19] <bioterror> and give some sudo rm -rf /home/michael/.config/transmission/lock
[22:19] <KM0201> why on earth would someone run transmission as root?.. that is scary
[22:20] <Guest82765> i have hfs file systems that I cannot access unless root
[22:20] <Guest82765> or so it seems
[22:20] <bioterror> when root wants pr0n it will be fetched with higher priority and with full bandwith!
[22:20] <Guest82765> hahaha
[22:21] <bioterror> is hfs+ support that horrible?
[22:21] <KM0201> Guest82765: i dunno, that seems like an incredibly reckless thing to be doing... but.. it's your system, i don't care
[22:21] <Guest82765> Im not sure how to access my hfs drives any other way
[22:21] <Guest82765> i converted from mac
[22:22] <bioterror> oh no
[22:22] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HFS_Plus#Linux
[22:22] <Guest82765> indeed
[22:23] <bioterror> apple :/
[22:24] <bioterror> Guest82765, if possible, try go backup that hfs+ drive and format it with a better filesystem ;)
[22:24] <KM0201> couldn't you just save whatever torrents you're downloading, onto your linux system?... i dunno.
[22:24] <Guest82765> sorry I"m a noob but what does sudo -rf actually do?
[22:24]  * KM0201 goes to open firefox and surf the internet as root
[22:24] <bioterror> Guest82765, remove that file with root permissions
[22:24] <bioterror> KM0201, hope you find site that will run some code
[22:25] <KM0201> you'd think even a mac user would know that wasn't such a good idea.. don't macs have "Root" accounts?
[22:26] <bioterror> it's like ubuntu
[22:26] <bioterror> os x has sudo
[22:26] <bioterror> no root by default
[22:26] <bioterror> you can sudo bash, or sudo su
[22:28] <Guest82765> what's the worst that could happen while running transmission as root?
[22:28] <Guest82765> other than the problem i had today, it hasn't bothered me
[22:28] <KM0201> you shouldn't run any program connected to the internet, as root.
[22:29] <symetrik> naw, you should. and you should give me your ip too <3
[22:29] <KM0201> ..
[22:29] <bioterror> give me your ip-address and user account!
[22:29] <KM0201> why not just come out and ask him for his credit card number?
[22:30] <bioterror> visa electron will be fine too
[22:30] <KM0201> it's less hassle.
[22:30] <kPa> You can pm me a SSN while you're at it.
[22:31] <bioterror> could gksudo be smarter with file permissions ;)
[22:31] <bioterror> but I cant think any worse case scenarios about running transmission as root
[22:31] <bioterror> except that what happened
[22:31] <bioterror> web browsers and irc clients are another thing
[22:32] <bioterror> it wasnt long time ago when that compiz url was circling around irc
[22:34] <Guest82765> I will try gksudo
[22:34] <KM0201> ..
[22:34] <bioterror> Guest82765, please backup your hfs+ filesystem to usb drive or anything, and format it
[22:35] <KM0201> Guest82765: gksudo is just as risky as sudo... not sure why you think that changes anything..
[22:36] <Guest82765> Yeah I thought about backing everything up and putting it on a better filesystem but nine partitions are on hfs+ and only the one I'm using is on ext4, which makes up 20gb
[22:37] <Guest82765> and I have no other empty partitions/drives
[22:37] <KM0201> you have 9 partitions on hfs?
[22:37] <Guest82765> out of my 4 drives
[22:38] <Guest82765> I'm not sure gparted let's me make more than 4 partitions per drive anyway
[22:38] <bioterror> hrrrhhh
[22:38] <bioterror> lots of HFS+
[22:39] <Guest82765> lol yes
[22:39] <Guest82765> this is true
[22:39] <bioterror> I still entertain myself rememberhing that they got Case Sensitive filesystem (HFS+) on OS X 10.4
[22:39] <bioterror> and that was around 2006 or something
[22:39] <Guest82765> Yeah, they still have that
[22:40] <bioterror> -h
[22:40] <bioterror> it was horrible to use OS X 10.3 as a FreeBSD/Linux user
[22:40] <bioterror> but ofcourse there was option to use UFS as a FS
[22:41] <Guest82765> I'm sure it was limiting in comparison though there is macports
[22:42] <bioterror> !hfsplus
[22:43] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/hfsplus
[22:46] <Guest82765> I did disable journaling using the disk utility though I am not sure how to check that it is actually disabled
[22:47] <Guest82765> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=314743
[22:48] <Guest82765> used that method but I had to keep repairing via fsck.hfsplus evertime on reboot
[22:48] <Guest82765> sometimes without success
[22:49] <bioterror> hate to say this but ntfs > hfs+ ;)
[22:49] <Guest82765> in terms of compatiblity with linux?
[22:49] <Guest82765> I thought performace and stability was still <hfs+
[23:30] <JackyAlcine> psst. does Lubuntu follow FreeDesktop standards? or at least try to?
[23:31] <GTRsdk> probably? I am not sure...
[23:31] <JackyAlcine> Hey GTRsdk lol :D
[23:41] <Guest82765> actually I still have a problem with downloading via transmission to my ext4 fs
[23:41] <Guest82765> says Error:Permission denied
[23:41] <Guest82765> help anyone?
[23:41] <GTRsdk> Guest82765, where are you saving the file to?
[23:41] <Guest82765> my download folder
[23:42] <Guest82765> on the same partition as my os
[23:42] <Guest82765> ~/Downloads
[23:43] <Guest82765> /home/michael/Downloads
[23:44] <GTRsdk> Guest82765, and you have full permissions, right?
[23:44] <Guest82765> how do I enable full permissions?
[23:45] <Guest82765> it looks like i have permissions on root but read-only on group and other
[23:45] <GTRsdk> Guest82765, right click on your downloads folder and choose properties
[23:46] <Guest82765> tried it
[23:46] <Guest82765> didn't allow it
[23:46] <GTRsdk> Guest82765, is your account the only account on that computer?
[23:46] <Guest82765> : Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:46] <Guest82765> [ part 2 ]: Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:46] <Guest82765> (1961) The Trio Live From Chicago {Verve, 823 008-2; Digi RM By Dennis Drake}: Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:46] <Guest82765> 01 Oscar Peterson - I've Never Been In Love Before.flac.part: Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:46] <Guest82765> 03 Oscar Peterson - Chicago.flac.part: Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:46] <Guest82765> 04 Oscar Peterson - The Night We Called It A Day.flac.part: Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:46] <Guest82765> 06 Oscar Peterson - Whisper Not.flac.part: Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:46] <Guest82765> 07 Oscar Peterson - Billy Boy.flac.part: Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:46] <Guest82765> COVERart: Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:46] <Guest82765> Booklet-02a.jpg.part: Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:46] <Guest82765> Booklet-02b.jpg: Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:46] <Guest82765> CD-Labelprint.jpg: Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:46] <Guest82765> CD-Original Scan.jpg.part: Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:47] <Guest82765> (1962) Oscar Peterson Trio - West Side Story {1984 Verve}: Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:47] <Guest82765> 02. Somewhere.flac.part: Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:47] <Guest82765> 03. Jet Song.flac.part: Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:47] <Guest82765> 06. I Feel Pretty.flac.part: Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:47] <Guest82765> 07. Reprise.flac.part: Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:47] <Guest82765> (1962) Oscar Peterson Trio – Night Train (Verve Master Edition – 20-Bit Remaster): Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:47] <Guest82765> 02 Oscar Peterson Trio - C-Jam Blues.flac.part: Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:47] <Guest82765> 08 Oscar Peterson Trio - Things Ain't What They Used To Be.flac.part: Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:47] <Guest82765> 09 Oscar Peterson Trio - I Got It Bad (And That Ain't Good).flac.part: Error setting permissions: Operation not permitted
[23:47] <Guest82765> 10 Oscar Peterson Trio - Band Call.flac.part: Error setting p
[23:47] <Guest82765> on this partition, yes, it's the only account
[23:48] <JackyAlcine> !paste | Guest82765
[23:49] <JackyAlcine> And also, you're downloading a torrent or a file from Transmission?
[23:49] <Guest82765> yeah
[23:50] <JackyAlcine> Which one? A file or torrent?
[23:50] <Guest82765> torrent transmission
[23:50] <JackyAlcine> If it's a torrent, your firewall might be blocking it if you're using University internet.
[23:51] <JackyAlcine> Otherwise; the torrent might be messed up.
[23:51] <GTRsdk> Guest82765, Can you copy files to your Downloads folder?
[23:51] <Guest82765> fortunately, i dont have to deal with living at the school anymore
[23:51] <Guest82765> it seems like i might have fixed it
[23:51] <Guest82765> with chmod -R 777
[23:52] <hydrozii> hello, i can't get my computer to connect to my router wirelessly
[23:53] <Guest82765> yes, i am able to copy files to the Download folder
[23:53] <hydrozii> do i need drivers for my network card?
[23:53] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, which network card?
[23:54] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, on a laptop built in?
[23:54] <hydrozii> its on a laptop and an atheros
[23:54] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, which version of Lubuntu?
[23:54] <hydrozii> 11.04
[23:55] <GTRsdk> which model of atheros?
[23:55] <hydrozii> ATHEROS ARBXB63H 459339 4104A-ARBXB63H
[23:57] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, does the laptop detect the wireless signal?
[23:57] <hydrozii> no i don't think so
[23:58] <hydrozii> other laptops in the house connect to it fine though
[23:58] <hydrozii> a few months ago i connected to it fine with the same type of network card..
[23:59] <hydrozii> i was convinced that it broke and so i just bought another one