[09:55] <gggs> do you guys keep your window buttons on the left or right? I'm playing with xfce and finding myself going to the wrong side
[10:17] <head_victim> gggs: in what program?
[10:18] <head_victim> Or the panel?
[10:18] <gggs> head_victim: window title-bars, where they moved close/min/max to the left side
[10:19] <head_victim> Oh, I don't have any versions of Ubuntu with that modification yet. My most up to day computer uses LXDE, the other computer sits on LTS releases
[10:20] <gggs> Really? I'm running 10.04LTS
[10:21] <head_victim> Yeah my window bars are on the right still
[10:21] <head_victim> I don't recall changing that?
[10:21] <head_victim> (although it's possible I have at some stage)
[10:25] <gggs> afaik it annoyed a number of people, I'm surprised you haven't heard of it. I thought it was nice, I think it makes slightly more sense from UI philosophy standpoint
[10:26] <head_victim> Oh I've heard of it
[10:26] <head_victim> But I don't have any versions that do it. LXDE has never had it set up that way
[10:26] <head_victim> Yeah the UI argument is actually quite solid.
[10:29] <gggs> LXDE sounds nice, what's it like VS gnome/xfce?
[10:32] <gggs> yea I figure the control buttons on the left mean they don't move when a window is resized, although with Apple's UI guidelines as they are I'd like to know their own reasons
[10:34] <head_victim> It's very light on resources, I use it for all P4 and older computers.
[10:42] <sagaci> head_victim: ping
[10:45] <head_victim> sagaci: hey there you are
[10:46] <sagaci> head_victim: just a pinch under 150,000 strings to go
[10:47] <head_victim> I see you've been doing a fair few
[10:51] <sagaci> nearly up to 10% of the whole lot
[10:53] <head_victim> I created a monster!
[10:56] <sagaci> and about 0.6% away from 60% complete
[10:57] <head_victim> Evening bejames 
[10:57] <head_victim> sagaci: nice work, I wish I'd done half as much
[14:31] <gggs> what does everyone here do with old PC's? I have like, 3 or 4 lying around the house that are too slow &/ too noisy &/ inefficient to use
[14:31] <head_victim> gggs: how old?
[14:33] <head_victim> If they're P4 era I'd stick Lubuntu on them and find someone to donate them to.
[14:33] <gggs> well, there's a P3 500, a p2 200 (!), and an XP2500+ based desktop not doing much
[14:33] <head_victim> The P3 might still run Lubuntu ok
[14:33] <sagaci> I have a p4 around, 2GiB ram
[14:33] <head_victim> That's what I'm using now.
[14:33] <gggs> head_victim: you're still using a p3?
[14:33] <head_victim> P4 with 2GB ram
[14:34] <gggs> a friend of mine is buying a new PC, he's giving me his old(er) quad-core 2.33GHz; I have more processing power than I know what to do with already
[14:35] <head_victim> Nice friend.
[14:35] <head_victim> My "main" pc is a quad core 2.4 with 10gb ram.
[14:35] <gggs> yea, you should see what he's replacing it with though, phew
[14:36] <head_victim> Hah yeah, I want to replace my old P4 with a low power consuming i3
[14:36] <head_victim> The quad core still does everything I need it to and more
[14:37] <head_victim> The worst part about my main pc is the 8800GT video card and it is still fine for my needs really.
[14:37] <gggs> it just seems like a waste to throw away a perfectly good PC, I'd put a Linux/Windows on it & give-away-to-good-home, but that usually means providing long-term support
[14:37] <head_victim> Nah just point them to Ubuntu-AU or donate it anonymously through a local charity.
[14:38] <sagaci> PENTIUM 4
[14:38] <sagaci> feel the power!
[14:38] <sagaci> head_victim: are you building
[14:38] <head_victim> sagaci: building what?
[14:40] <sagaci> your i3 replacement
[14:40] <gggs> most of my close friends are in IT & have no use for it either, can't see what a charity would use it for
[14:40] <head_victim> Oh yeah, I haven't ever actually bought a prebuilt computer.
[14:41] <head_victim> gggs: if Lubuntu or whatever runs ok on it just call a couple of locals see if they want it. If not try and find a computer recycling place
[14:41] <head_victim> sagaci: looking at an i3 2100T cpu and just use the integrated video and whack in a fanless PSU
[14:41] <head_victim> Still waiting on work to pay me my money they owe
[14:41] <gggs> head_victim: thanks, I'll look into it
[14:42] <head_victim> gggs: no worries, hope you find a good home
[14:43] <gggs> yea either that or I'll find 3 or 4 novel fish tanks
[14:44] <gggs> boat anchors, speed humps, makeshift snow-sleds
[14:45] <head_victim> Put them on your front footpath, someone will take them
[14:46] <sagaci> head_victim: at LCA, what were the main things people were asking about... obviously I couldn't be there but were there recurring questions throughout the day
[14:46] <gggs> hey that gives me an idea, I wonder if I could fit them in my recycling wheelie bin
[14:47] <head_victim> sagaci: "what are you going to see next"
[14:47] <head_victim> gggs: dremel helps
[14:48] <sagaci> head_victim: err, what do you mean?
[14:49] <gggs> head_victim: perfect!
[14:52] <head_victim> sagaci: That's the first question everyone asked. Sorry it was an attempt at humour
[14:55] <gggs> head_victim: don't worry man, I thought it was funny
[14:55] <head_victim> sagaci: so what context were you referring to Ubuntu-AU, linux in general ?
[14:56] <sagaci> still don't get the joke... anyway, obviously most people would have known about ubuntu, so were they interested about the team itself?
[14:56] <head_victim> Most people don't know the team exists
[14:56] <head_victim> A lot of people using Ubuntu and a lot of people using Macs.
[14:58] <sagaci> yeah, a bunch of people were wearing natty narwhal t-shirts, more than I envisioned
[14:59] <head_victim> Yeah either they didn't know or weren't overly interested. That being said there were a bunch of us that caught up and it helped us get some HUMBUG contacts (the local linux user group in Brisbane)
[15:09] <sagaci> head_victim: well, 21 million users to go, in Australia
[15:10] <head_victim> Heh indeed
[15:10] <head_victim> We'll get there ;)
[15:11] <sagaci> so those posters at LCA in those photos you have on the wiki... you've told me before, but so you're saying you printed them off yourself?
[15:11] <head_victim> Yep, can be used by the team as they're laminated. It's just the postage costs that's the killer.
[15:13] <sagaci> postage for what
[15:13] <head_victim> If others around the country want to reuse them
[15:16] <sagaci> head_victim: how many did you get done
[15:18] <head_victim> 2 of the ones like the business card, one huge one not quite as big, one other ubuntu logo one and another software freedom one.
[15:21] <sagaci> so i'd be better off just getting them done myself, for personal use and if I ever hold an ubuntu hour
[15:23] <head_victim> Yeah they're not too expensive if you shop around, I left it too late and just went to officeworks
[15:24] <head_victim> The business card ones are on the wiki the rest I got off spreadubuntu.com
[15:24] <sagaci> you take in a design and they have it in a jiffy?
[15:34] <gorilla> sagaci: yes, pretty much.
[15:34] <sagaci> $30-50 laminated, roughly?
[15:36] <gorilla> sagaci: no idea.. I have had some instant business cards from officeworks.
[15:38] <sagaci> I want to get something a bit bigger
[15:38] <sagaci> at least a decent poster size
[15:38] <sagaci> this cup of tea is awesome, btw
[15:39] <head_victim> SOrry had a washing machine malfunction
[15:39] <gorilla> head_victim: oh no!
[15:39] <head_victim> sagaci: http://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/content/copying-and-printing;jsessionid=%28J2EE5996400%29ID1331206351DB01459218520694532575End;saplb_*=%28J2EE5996400%295996451?siteAware=true#largeformatfullprinting for prices
[15:40] <head_victim> Oh wow, my apologies, that is a LONG link
[15:40] <head_victim> Add about 50% for laminating
[15:40] <sagaci> well what's polyester
[15:41] <sagaci> ty for the link
[15:41] <head_victim> Not sure TBH, I was in quite a rush I didn't look into it much
[15:42] <head_victim> I have a much better quality contact for business cards though, I would not recommend officeworks for them.
[15:42] <head_victim> Evening Octatron 
[15:42] <head_victim> http://www.quickcolourprint.com.au/index.php they did the team business cards
[15:42] <head_victim> They came out alright
[15:43] <head_victim> Or if price is the only factor then there is always vistaprint.com.au but don't expect much from them except cheapness
[15:43] <gorilla> head_victim: ditto.. but i was in a hurry and our usual supplier isn't set up for rush jobs.
[15:43] <head_victim> I have some personal ones through vista print, they're useful instead of writing down numbers and emails but wouldn't use them in a business setting I don't think
[15:44] <Octatron> Evening head_victim, whats new in the jungle?
[15:44] <head_victim> Octatron: I just woke up half the neighbourhood with my washing machine
[15:45] <Octatron> nice :P
[15:45] <Octatron> I just finished birthday shopping for the other half, gets harder each year
[15:46] <head_victim> Octatron: doesn't it?
[15:49] <Octatron> yeah, sometimes you just think here, have some cash happy birthday 
[15:52] <Octatron> At least I have converted her to Ubuntu good and proper :P
[16:03] <head_victim> I'm still working on my wife, she distrusts anything that's "free"
[16:03] <head_victim> Despite her not wanting to pay for Windows
[16:16] <Octatron> What about all the other stuff you have to buy for Windows?
[16:16] <sagaci> office
[16:16] <Octatron> Antivirus
[16:16] <sagaci> I can get by on libreoffice but I prefer office 2010
[16:16] <sagaci> I use MSE on win 7
[16:17] <sagaci> just use common sense
[16:18] <Octatron> Then there's the fear issue of licensing and having more than one pc
[16:19] <sagaci> yeahp, no decent cli environment, upgrading system/applications can be painful
[16:22] <Octatron> I think it all comes down too lack of good computer training in schools and in workplaces
[16:22] <Octatron> People say they are computer illiterate like it's a badge of honor or something..
[16:26] <head_victim> It's more that windows is too ingrained so it's what they use at school. uni and work so why not at home to?
[16:27] <Octatron> Yeah, alot of people aren't even aware that Apple Mac exists where I live let alone Linux..
[16:28] <Octatron> I'm currently trying to write up a 3 page decision sheet listing the pro's and con's of each general platform.  So they can choose what's best for them.
[16:29] <sagaci> Octatron: ... linux, that hacker program you install on windows that brings up a black box with a blinking cursor?
[16:32] <Octatron> I get mixed responses to Ubuntu with customers, some I've vetted to check it meets their needs swear by it and tell their friends, others miss windows and hate change.  It's hard to work out what a person will do before you offer it too them.
[16:37] <Octatron> head_victim: show your other half XBMC on ubuntu hooked up to the tv with an eeepc remote and wireless logitech keyboard, that's how I convinced my gal :P once they see their movies & tv shows come up so nice and ordered with a polished interface it's hard to go back.
[16:41] <head_victim> Nah we don't watch lots of tv
[16:42] <head_victim> The only thing she does outside of web browsing is play a game that has a native linux version - urban terror.
[16:43] <head_victim> She does some very minor photo editing as well but nothing that couldn't be done in one of 100 programs.
[16:43] <head_victim> Crop, rotate and you're done'
[16:44] <Octatron> Have you tried UT2004? runs great on Ubuntu and pretty cheap at EB esp with low gravity mods switched on
[16:44] <head_victim> Nah she's happy with urban terror.
[16:45] <head_victim> It's free and has native linux, mac and windows clients.
[16:46] <Octatron> must be interesting when you pair are on opposing teams
[16:46] <head_victim> We're a little too competitive I think
[16:48] <Octatron> Medal of Honor was fun in a multiplay, Id shoot a mate of mine and he'd hold onto a grenade.. then you see it .. ah shh..BOOM
[16:51] <Octatron> then there's those moments you see each other at the same time, your on a balcony and he has a bazooka.. good times..
[16:53] <head_victim> I like the fact that in urban terror it doesn't matter how long you've been playing you all have the same weapon set
[16:55] <Octatron> Well that's good, no cheaters trying to ruin the game
[16:58] <Octatron> One personal favorite of mine is using the helicopters on Battlefield Vietnam to swoop down and hit the enemy with the windscreen.. funny!
[17:00] <Octatron> head_victim: I might hit the hay, btw I've got some content to make a page on how to add ical to calendars on different email accounts what do I have to do to make me own little area to test out a page?
[17:02] <head_victim> Octatron: firstly make sure you can't just link to another page that exists online. If it's unique information maybe a sub-page of /Meetings ?