[00:04] <IdleOne> paultag: ping
[02:14] <maco> mhall119: wooo it works!
[02:17] <maco> mhall119: i'm not sure that hardcoding is actually doing anything to it though. it might be auto-sizing, because .set_size_request() doesn't appear in the gtk docs for scrolledwindow
[02:19] <maco> oh nvm. inherited
[02:20] <maco> mhall119: looks like that's for minimum size, so i guess you'd want to set it a size that'd fit on your netbook's itty bitty resolution, so then it can be bigger if it needs
[02:21] <maco> mhall119: thanks for figuring that out
[02:27] <Pendulum> maco: I miss you :(
[02:27] <maco> haha
[02:28] <Pendulum> but I am in a ridiculously large hotel room
[02:28] <maco> i just found a twitter account called @hipsterhacker and OMG that is so totally one of my exes
[02:28] <Pendulum> haha
[02:28] <maco> go read it!
[02:30] <mhall119> maco: awesome, I'll get it picking a reasonable min size depending on screen res, then propose it for merging
[03:50] <paultag> IdleOne: pong :) -- Got your PM, all set :)
[03:54] <IdleOne> :)
[05:24] <nigelb> maco: lol, that is a funny account
[06:35] <nigelb> AlanBell: Quality overdrive. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I hope I don't end up disappointed.
[06:37] <AlanBell> I actually don't doubt they can do the quality, it is the "no more rubbish" that will be harder
[06:37] <AlanBell> http://twitter.com/#!/humphreybc/status/72534000379506688 for those who lack context
[06:38] <Cheri703> heh
[06:44] <nigelb> AlanBell: heh
[06:53] <duanedeisgn> morning all
[06:56]  * vish *facepalm* : https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-users
[06:56] <vish> "… run Gnome 3 in Ubuntu, even though it is not officially supported."
[06:56] <vish> jcastro: ^
[07:04] <AlanBell> well it isn't
[07:04] <AlanBell> they might mean gnome-shell though
[07:05] <AlanBell> popular team though, they have 2 active members already
[07:19] <vish> yea, they might be thinking about Shell..  but Shell/Unity are just out Panels-with-bling ;p
[07:19] <vish> s/out//
[08:20] <dpm> morning all
[08:52] <nigelb> hey dpm, ara :)
[08:53] <dpm> hey nigelb :)
[08:54] <dholbach> good morning
[08:54] <nigelb> Good Morning dholbach
[08:54] <dpm> morgen dholbach
[08:56] <dholbach> hi nigelb, hey dpm
[08:56] <kim0> Morning fellows
[08:56] <kim0> dholbach: dpm nigelb  o/
[08:57] <dholbach> hey kim0
[08:57] <dpm> morning kim0
[08:57] <kim0> Happy new week :)
[09:12] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:15] <dpm> hey czajkowski
[09:15] <czajkowski> dpm: elo
[09:16] <kim0> czajkowski: hey o/
[09:17] <czajkowski> hows folks ?
[09:19] <nigelb> hello czajkowski :)
[09:19] <nigelb> My body chose to fall sick over the weekend, but thankfully not ubuflu, just got it from my colleague. :/
[12:36] <mhall119> morning
[12:55] <nigelb> Good morning mhall119 :)
[13:11] <cjohnston> mornin
[13:37] <cjohnston> mhall119: nigelb broke it again
[13:38] <nigelb> meh, YOU are broken. I need to file an MP for that :P
[13:38] <cjohnston> go ahead.. make sure in that MP you teach me django python and css
[13:41] <czajkowski> I'm breaking and finding errors all morning long
[13:41] <czajkowski> so annoying
[13:49] <mhall119> cjohnston: again?
[13:50] <cjohnston> I know, right.. he keeps breaking stuff
[13:50] <mhall119> czajkowski: you broken again?
[13:50] <czajkowski> mhall119: no I'm finding bugs on other peoples sites
[13:51] <mhall119> oh, that's okay then
[13:52] <cjohnston> no LD or summit bugs
[13:52] <cjohnston> :-P
[15:53] <nigelb>  oh boy, joey is back in action :D
[15:54] <joey> :-)
[16:11] <cjohnston> jcastro is starting in on it too nigelb and mhall119
[16:11] <nigelb> I noteiced
[16:11] <nigelb> *noticed
[16:11] <mhall119> starting in on what?
[16:11] <cjohnston> jcastro /j #ubuntu-website
[16:11] <cjohnston> mhall119: summit spam
[16:12] <mhall119> oh
[16:12] <nigelb> jcastro: what does bug 647131 mean?
[16:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 647131 in summit "Don't depend on a room being declared "plenary"" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/647131
[16:12] <mhall119> I'm still not checking my LP bug emails
[16:12] <mhall119> nigelb: if you don't have a plenary room defined for a summit, the whole thing blows up
[16:12] <cjohnston> kaboom
[16:12] <mhall119> some code in render.py assumes that there will be at least one
[16:12] <nigelb> mhall119: but that's because you've defined a slot called plenary.
[16:12] <nigelb> (or, isn't it?)
[16:12] <mhall119> nigelb: i think even without that
[16:13] <nigelb> ah.
[16:13] <nigelb> I'll look into this.  I need to dive into render.py anyway.
[16:13] <cjohnston> its like nigelb testing in production... it goes kaboom
[16:13] <nigelb> hey.
[16:13] <nigelb> I have my own test instance now.
[16:13] <nigelb> Although its not public.
[16:13] <mhall119> cjohnston: no, that's like jcastro making minor changes to display fields in production
[16:13] <cjohnston> lol
[16:13] <jcastro> die
[16:13] <JFo> lol
[16:13] <nigelb> Daviey and I make sure summit doesn't break when we test.
[16:13] <mhall119> you know you loveme
[16:14] <nigelb> what was it that jorge did that broke it for us? Change room title?
[16:14] <mhall119> yeah
[16:14] <jcastro> I changed the LABEL!
[16:14] <cjohnston> ya know, for someone who is filing summit bugs, i dont think he should be being mean to the summit devs :-P
[16:14] <jcastro> not the title!
[16:14] <mhall119> title == label
[16:14] <cjohnston> !fail
[16:14] <ubot2> Factoid 'fail' not found
[16:14] <cjohnston> see, even ubot2 !fail's
[16:15] <mhall119> someone really should define a factoid for that
[16:15] <jcastro> considering we went from "never working" to what we had last UDS I won't complain
[16:15] <jcastro> I used to just whine that we should switch to sched.org
[16:15] <cjohnston> jussi: ^
[16:15] <jcastro> but no longer
[16:15] <nigelb> jcastro: yes, hot fixing it was fun.
[16:15] <jcastro> cjohnston made me a believer!
[16:15] <nigelb> hehe :D
[16:15] <mhall119> lol
[16:15] <nigelb> The summit session at UDS was /very/ productive.
[16:15] <cjohnston> too productive
[16:16] <nigelb> yeah.  None of the action items are assigned.
[16:16] <mhall119> HoF session was my favorite, cause i didn't get any action items
[16:16] <cjohnston> jcastro, tell joey that he needs me in person in August
[16:16] <cjohnston> mhall119: I did :-(
[16:16] <mhall119> lol
[16:16] <nigelb> :D
[16:16]  * nigelb escaped too.
[16:16] <jcastro> cjohnston: is there a linaro summit or something?
[16:16] <cjohnston> I got the easy one tho.. tell me when your done and ill make it happen
[16:16] <nigelb> cjohnston: lol, no. I'm better. File bugs during the day, I'll fix it in my day time :P
[16:16] <cjohnston> jcastro, yes
[16:17] <mhall119> cjohnston: you and nigelb should just form an LLC consulting company that Linaro can contract out to
[16:17] <nigelb> +++
[16:17] <cjohnston> lol
[16:17] <joey> there's a change jcastro that linaro may want to use summit at the Linaro Rally in August (we're not going to Dublin)
[16:17] <cjohnston> Summit, LLC
[16:17] <nigelb> cjohnston: Lets do it? ;)
[16:17] <cjohnston> lol
[16:17] <nigelb> cjohnston: I have some work for you if you're interested in joining me :p
[16:17] <cjohnston> uhhh
[16:17] <daker> and cjohnston is FW some of his actions to me ツ
[16:18] <mhall119> nigelb: you're doing it wrong, cjohnston is supposed to outsource to India, not you to the US
[16:18] <cjohnston> daker: I am not.. I asked your assistance
[16:18] <cjohnston> mhall119: +1
[16:18] <nigelb> mhall119: I'm breaking the sterotype :P
[16:18] <mhall119> nigelb: then you do it cheaper than him, and he gets layed off
[16:18] <nigelb> hahaha
[16:18] <mhall119> laid off
[16:18] <daker> cjohnston, hhh
[16:18] <mhall119> my english major wife would slap me if she saw that
[16:19] <nigelb> I could tell her to look at that :P
[16:19] <mhall119> she's out this morning, so I'm safe
[16:19] <cjohnston> daker: you will not find ANY action items on what I asked your help on.. only the fact the nigelb broke it
[16:19] <nigelb> mhall119:  she just popped in on IRC
[16:19] <mhall119> doh!
[16:19] <mhall119> damn you Android!
[16:19] <cjohnston> mhall119: you forget I have her #.. I will copy paste + txt to her
[16:19] <mhall119> cjohnston: I'll deny it, everbody knows you lie
[16:20] <cjohnston> Wait.. does she have a real phone and you don't mhall119 ?
[16:20] <nigelb> mhall119: we'll copy irclogs.ubuntu.com :P
[16:20] <cjohnston> +1
[16:20] <mhall119> cjohnston: I told you, I'm buying one...
[16:20] <nigelb> Real phones make calls and send messages. Anything else is not a phone.
[16:20] <mhall119> nigelb: dang, forgot about the lods
[16:20] <nigelb> cjohnston, mhall119 ^^
[16:20] <nigelb> mhall119: hah.
[16:21] <mhall119> logs
[16:21] <mhall119> that's it, I'm going back to bed until Tuesday
[16:21] <JFo> lol
[16:21] <cjohnston> lol
[16:21] <cjohnston> JFo seems to be quite enjoying our conversation
[16:21] <nigelb> If I clean up render.py, I think I can get any developer job.
[16:21] <nigelb> JFo: :)
[16:21] <JFo> :)
[16:21] <cjohnston> Except you will insource it to me
[16:22] <nigelb> heh
[16:22] <nigelb> cjohnston: Right now, I'm doing some contract work for a guy in Switzerland who is backed by investers in the UK.
[16:22] <mhall119> nigelb: no, once you've been tainted by render.py, everbody will be afraid you've picked up bad habits
[16:23] <cjohnston> lol
[16:23] <nigelb> mhall119: well, after working with Daviey at UDS, everyone knows I've been tainted :P
[16:23] <mhall119> that's true
[16:23] <nigelb> but for the record, we did *NOT* break summit.  Unlike jcastro :P
[16:23] <cjohnston> Daviey doesn't even seem to be here to defend himself
[16:23] <JFo> d'oh!
[16:24] <jcastro> lies!
[16:24] <cjohnston> nigelb, you pushed code into production that didnt work!
[16:24] <mhall119> he did?
[16:24] <cjohnston> with the help of Daviey
[16:24] <nigelb> cjohnston: It was reviewed and merged.
[16:25] <cjohnston> you still wrote it
[16:25] <nigelb> It went *through* the process, not outside of it.
[16:25] <mhall119> so it's the reviewer's fault
[16:25] <mhall119> who did the review? check launchpad!
[16:25] <nigelb> Anyway, time to finish off that LP patch.
[16:25] <cjohnston> must be Daviey
[16:26] <cjohnston> now he is trying to break LP, which will break EVERYTHING else... he is just going for the mothership of all sites!
[16:26] <cjohnston> One line of code and break everything in existance
[16:26] <nigelb> cjohnston: coming from the guy who submitted 6 LP patches.
[16:26] <cjohnston> I didn't break ANYTHING
[16:26] <cjohnston> and IIRC it was 7
[16:26] <nigelb> see?
[16:26] <nigelb> You are twice more likely to break something on LP.
[16:27] <cjohnston> mine are all beautiful pieces of code
[16:27] <cjohnston> your trying to change functionality
[16:27] <nigelb> cjohnston: I'm *fixing* broken functionality.
[16:27] <cjohnston> it works, how's that broken
[16:28] <nigelb> Its a broken implementation. Blueprints havent had any love since 2006 or something.
[16:28] <cjohnston> they have had love in the last 6 months
[16:28] <mhall119> I'm pretty sure it was never loved, just tolerated
[16:28] <nigelb> mhall119: Exactly.
[16:28] <nigelb> cjohnston: Now stop talking and go fix summit :D
[16:29] <cjohnston> I'm waiting on you to send me my check
[16:29] <nigelb> cjohnston: for?
[16:30] <cjohnston> 11.15.44 < nigelb> cjohnston: I have some work for you if you're interested in joining me :p
[16:30] <nigelb> cjohnston: No work, no cheque.
[16:30] <cjohnston> I require 50% up front
[16:30] <mhall119> also they'll hold you pay for like 60 days over there
[16:31] <mhall119> 50% of $0.00?
[16:31] <cjohnston> shaddup mhall119
[16:35] <JFo> LOL
[16:35] <JFo> yeah, I laughed that loud
[16:35] <nigelb> heh
[16:36] <mhall119> at least we've given JFo an entertaining Monday
[16:36] <JFo> yeah, I needed it :-/
[16:38] <mhall119> fun times in kernel land?
[16:38] <JFo> depends on your definition... and if you are a Sadist. ;)
[16:41] <jcastro> jono: can you accept my U1 plan so it shows up on the burndown?
[16:42] <jono> jcastro, lets discuss it in our call later
[16:42] <jcastro> nod
[16:42] <jono> I am a bit busy right now
[16:42] <jono> sorry
[16:42] <jcastro> sure
[16:42] <jono> :-)
[16:44] <JFo> busy bacon
[16:44] <JFo> :-P
[16:45] <jono> JFo, seriously, life should slow down after UDS, not pick up
[16:45] <JFo> jono, I agree my friend :-/
[16:45] <cjohnston> +1
[16:45] <JFo> mine has taken a turn for the worse
[16:45] <JFo> well, that isn't entirely true
[16:45] <JFo> just well past busy these days
[16:46] <JFo> so likely won't be as jocund in here as I have been
[16:46] <cjohnston> I think I'm almost to the point where mine will slow down
[16:46] <JFo> mine us just getting started
[16:47] <Technoviking> Loving smuxi irc client/server setup. It is like the best of irssi and xchat.
[16:47]  * cjohnston goes to google
[16:54] <nigelb> jono: +1. Mine's picked up in a crazy crazy way.
[16:55] <nigelb> so much to do, so little time:(
[17:06] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[17:06] <dholbach> have a great rest of yours and see you tomorrow
[17:06]  * dholbach hugs you all
[17:08]  * czajkowski hugs Technoviking 
[17:09]  * dholbach hugs Technoviking too
[17:12]  * nigelb hugs Technoviking too :)
[17:14]  * JFo wonders why everyone is hugging Technoviking 
[17:14] <JFo> :)
[17:19] <nigelb> jono: http://www.flickr.com/photos/38687067@N05/5739833562/in/photostream
[17:19] <nigelb> JFo: ^^ you might like it too :p
[17:20] <jono> nigelb, LOL!
[17:20] <nigelb> jono: and one more http://www.flickr.com/photos/38687067@N05/5739833718/in/photostream
[17:20] <nigelb> so that's what people at Canonical think about :P
[17:21] <Technoviking> JFo: me too:)
[17:23] <JFo> Technoviking, :)
[17:25] <JFo> nigelb, where did that come from?
[17:25] <nigelb> JFo: Canonical summit pre-UDS.
[17:25] <JFo> hahahahaha
[17:25] <nigelb> JFo: I believe those were the ID cards ;)
[17:25] <JFo> aviator glasses eh?
[17:25]  * JFo is thinking of something
[17:25] <JFo> :-)
[17:25] <nigelb> haha
[17:27] <JFo> jono, we need to take some publicity photos of you when I get out to Cali. :-)
[17:27]  * JFo will bring the aviator glasses :)
[17:27] <nigelb> bwahaha
[17:28] <nigelb> JFo: I hope you publish it appropriately.
[17:28] <JFo> and I'll see if I can round up a bear skin rug
[17:28] <JFo> nigelb, :)
[17:28] <jono> JFo, lol
[17:28] <JFo> :-)
[17:35]  * Daviey reads scrollback
[17:35]  * Daviey hmmpfs
[17:35] <jcastro> Daviey: for the record I did not ridicule you at all!
[17:36] <jussi> !fail-#ubuntu-offtopic
[17:36] <ubot2> FATAL Error: Operation succeeded
[17:36] <jussi> jcastro: nigelb^^^
[17:36] <cjohnston> jussi: thats too hard
[17:36] <cjohnston> hey Daviey !
[17:36] <cjohnston> loooooool
[17:37] <nigelb> jussi: aha, thanks.
[17:37] <nigelb> Daviey: I'm on your side! :D
[17:37] <cjohnston> obviously
[17:38] <Daviey> jcastro, True :)
[17:38] <Daviey> echo nigelb >> ~/the.list
[17:58] <JFo> Daviey, I thought he was already there
[17:58] <JFo> right below my name :-)
[17:58] <czajkowski> awwww I'm so loving barack O'Bama right now
[17:58] <czajkowski> he's addressed the nation in irish :D
[17:59] <Daviey> JFo, Oh, you are mentioned more than once on THE LIST.
[17:59] <JFo> Daviey, :-)
[17:59] <Daviey> czajkowski, That wasn't for the Irish peoples benefit.
[17:59] <JFo> I wouldn't have it any other way
[17:59] <Daviey> That was for the people from the US, that 10 generations earlier had a tiny amount of Irish blood and therefore think they are entirely irish.  Worth 30 million votes IIRC.
[18:00] <czajkowski> http://www.rte.ie/live/
[18:00] <czajkowski> you cna listen in
[18:00] <czajkowski> he's giving a great speech
[18:01] <maco> Daviey: the famine wasn't 10 generations back
[18:03] <maco> Daviey: and also, mixing wasn't acceptable in the US until the last century. my grandmother's ancestry is all irish, and it was completely unacceptable that she married an italian 50 years ago
[18:03] <Daviey> maco, my point still stands
[18:03] <Daviey> This speech is for Irish Americans, not Irish Irish
[18:05] <czajkowski> Daviey: shrup and stop ruining my moment here
[18:05] <czajkowski> I'm liking him
[18:06] <maco> i dont know about the speech, im just disputing "tiny" because non-irish-with-irish marriage was pretty unacceptable until my parents' generation
[18:06] <Daviey> maco, I agree i exaggerated.
[18:08] <cjohnston> hes trying to get reelection points
[18:09] <czajkowski> are ye watching it ?
[18:09] <cjohnston> ya
[18:09] <Daviey> czajkowski, When our country was in deep despair, we needed supplies, so the Irish sent us millions of shamrocks.
[18:10] <JFo> snerk
[18:10] <czajkowski> obama is a great speaker
[18:10] <JFo> czajkowski, I did like when he said "So you could say there's always been some Green in with the Red White and Blue." :)
[18:11] <cjohnston> czajkowski: obama may be a great reader.. take away his prompters and he is lost
[18:11] <maco> cjohnston: that just means he doesn't do impromptu
[18:11] <maco> doesn't change that he's *speaking*
[18:11] <JFo> Daviey, I'm Irish-American, though diluted a bit. and I still don't care much for him.
[18:11] <czajkowski> JFo: me too :D
[18:11] <JFo> :)
[18:11] <Daviey> i agree maco... being a good orator is more important than writing the speech.
[18:12] <Daviey> JFo, You just haven't listened enough to this speech
[18:12] <JFo> Daviey, naturally
[18:12] <maco> Daviey: its possible he wrote the speech too, its just hard to pull it from your head on the fly without pre-planning, notes, etc
[18:12] <Daviey> Turn it up, remember your irish roots, and vote Obama.
[18:12] <JFo> Daviey, not likely
[18:12] <JFo> :)
[18:13] <maco> Riddell once asked me why americans associate bagpipes with death
[18:13]  * Daviey wonders if you'd feel ripped off getting a really good seat, front row - then finding that he is facing the other direction.
[18:13] <JFo> I'd vote for Terry Bradshaw before re-electing Obama
[18:13] <JFo> :)
[18:13] <Daviey> Those people behind him must be really annoyed.
[18:13] <JFo> I love how half of them are hving to be woken up to clap ;)
[18:13] <czajkowski> they couldnt do this last week with the Queen
[18:13] <maco> apparently the answer is because the only jobs available to the irish 100 years ago were firefighter and police, so they died a lot and bagpipes became common at firefighter/police funerals what with them being mostly irish immigrants, so now the bagpipes are used at *all* firefighter/police funerals
[18:14] <JFo> maco, do you know why bagpipers march?
[18:14] <JFo> to get away from that awful noise ;)
[18:14] <maco> oh i love pipers!
[18:14] <nigelb> JFo: lol
[18:14] <JFo> me too, and I loooove jokes about them
[18:14] <czajkowski> heh they just cancelled the Angelus for this speach
[18:15]  * JanC wonders why people think only Ireland & Scotland have bagpipes  ;)
[18:16] <JFo> JanC, because no one ever cares to fact-find anything anymore :-/
[18:16] <JFo> it is sad really
[18:17] <maco> same reason people think flutes are all horizontal?
[18:18] <JFo> indeed
[18:18]  * JFo always wanted to learn the bagpipes... my neighbors however... 
[18:19] <czajkowski> JFo: dont you live in the stix
[18:19] <JFo> no, I live in the township area.
[18:19] <JFo> Pete lives in the stix
[18:19] <JFo> :)
[18:19] <JFo> and I am certain that he doesn't want me to learn is his yard either ;)
[18:19] <JanC> not all bagpipes are "great warpipes" or the like  ;-)
[18:20] <JFo> JanC, I know. The set I had was smallpipes
[18:20] <nigelb> JFo: jono's new house! :p
[18:20] <JFo> just never could find a good practice place
[18:20] <JFo> nigelb, heh
[18:20] <nigelb> neighbours probably listen to his drums anyway :p
[18:20] <JFo> nah, they are here at my house until he has a place for them :-)
[18:21] <JFo> or do you mean jono's?
[18:22] <Daviey> Obama has made me so proud to be 26% Irish.
[18:22] <JFo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZclddLcOYYA
[18:23] <Daviey> Hmm.. He hasn't yet held a baby?  He is missing a trick there.
[18:24] <czajkowski> Daviey: he held 2 today
[18:24] <czajkowski> in moneygal
[18:24] <Daviey> oh, ok
[18:28] <czajkowski> oh dear gods
[18:28] <czajkowski> her voice
[18:28] <czajkowski> nasal!!!
[18:41]  * JFo kicks remote host in the naughty bits
[18:42] <nigelbabu> cjohnston, maco, JFo: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/05/23/vacation.in.america/index.html
[18:44] <JFo> yep
[18:45] <nigelbabu> JFo: wait, you technically work for a British company ;)
[18:46] <JFo> nigelbabu, true, but I work for the US version of it
[18:46] <JFo> so the technicality doesn't go very far
[18:46] <JFo> I actually work for Canonical USA
[18:46] <nigelbabu> Ah!
[18:57] <maco> nigelbabu: a DD asked whether id be at debconf and i told him we don't get as much holiday time as europeans. he said he's french so more vacation than most of europe to start, plus works for the french government so even more than that, so he wont tell me how much time that is to avoid making me jealous :P
[18:58] <nigelbabu> maco: haha, according to that article, it should be aleast 8 weeks ;)
[19:00] <mhall119> maco: might be easier to ask how many days a year he has to work
[19:00] <maco> nigelbabu: that article said 4 is the EU requirement
[19:00] <nigelbabu> mhall119: lol
[19:01] <maco> i get 3 weeks for a combination of vacation and illness
[19:03] <nigelbabu> omg
[19:03] <nigelbabu> I'm on the planet
[19:03] <nigelbabu> on the launchpad blog
[19:04] <czajkowski> I now want a queen cake
[19:04] <czajkowski> with icing
[19:04] <cjohnston> me too
[19:05]  * nigelbabu ^5 cjohnston :)
[19:05] <cjohnston> :-)
[19:41] <doctormo> cjohnston: Hey, you needed my help?
[19:41] <cjohnston>  hey there.. was wondering if you could give me a little assistance on a couple of images
[19:41] <cjohnston> PM?
[19:41] <doctormo> cjohnston: Yes,
[19:43] <doctormo> cjohnston: No PM received yet.
[20:07] <JFo> jcastro, just saw the call for help template... me likey
[20:07] <jcastro> I know right
[20:07] <jcastro> we should have that for more projects
[20:08] <nigelb> JFo: help template?
[20:10] <JFo> nigelb, or response rather in bugsquad iirc
[20:10] <nigelb> JFo: Ah! Good idea.
[20:10] <JFo> yeah unde Unity/Filing bugs :)
[20:11] <JFo> under*
[20:29] <jcastro> cjohnston: if someone wanted the CSS and stuff for the ubuntu familiy of websites they would get them .... ?
[20:29] <jcastro> the design blog seems to have all the logos and stuff
[20:30] <AlanBell> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-website-community/ubuntu-website/light-base-theme
[20:30] <jcastro> thank you!
[20:30] <cjohnston> what he siad..
[20:30] <cjohnston> jcastro: the css on there is a little out dated tho
[20:30] <cjohnston> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-website-community/ubuntu-website/light-django-theme has better css
[20:31] <AlanBell> there are other variants of that for stuff like django/wordpress etc
[20:31] <mhall119> jcastro: there's the community-maintained css and html, and then there's also some canonical-maintained css/html
[20:42] <doctormo> It's a very useful branch, we should keep a few of our other brandings branched like that.
[20:44] <jcastro> mhall119: a loco would use the community branch right?
[20:52] <mhall119> jcastro: yes
[20:54] <jcastro> JFo: do you have a "hide comment" option at the bottom of bug report comments?
[20:55] <czajkowski> jono: you about ?
[20:55] <JFo> jcastro, I hope I do... lemme check
[20:56] <JFo> jcastro, I don't see one... are you seeing one?
[20:56] <jcastro> JFo: ok so I got confused, does that remove the comment for everyone? or just hide it for yourself?
[20:56] <jcastro> I see one
[20:56] <JFo> !
[20:56] <jcastro> I thought it was basically a "hide this person's comment"
[20:56] <JFo> I hope that it hides it for everyone
[20:56] <jcastro> but it appears to hide the comment from the entire bug report
[20:57] <JFo> that is what I asked for :)
[20:57] <JFo> no it was a desire to remove cruft
[20:57] <JFo> what server are you using?
[20:57] <JFo> so I can test apples with apples
[20:57] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/769812
[20:57] <JFo> give me an example bug
[20:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 769812 in linux "X120e crashes randomly (wireless?)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:57] <jcastro> is the exact bug
[20:57] <jcastro> I happen to be on
[20:58] <JFo> do you have greasemonkey scripts enabled?
[20:58] <jcastro> I don't think I do
[20:59] <jcastro> I get it on both browsers
[20:59] <JFo> hmmm
[20:59] <jcastro> so it's not a script
[20:59] <JFo> odd that I don't see it
[20:59] <jcastro> JFo: so are we supposed to make a judgement call if we see a junk comment or ?
[21:00] <jcastro> I feel like I was given power with no explanation, heh
[21:00] <JFo> good question
[21:00] <JFo> I honestly don't know
[21:00] <jcastro> nor me
[21:00] <JFo> I'm excited though as this is something I have been asking for since I got here :)
[21:01] <jcastro> do you have the option?
[21:01] <JFo> not that I can see
[21:01] <jcastro> ok weird
[21:01] <jcastro> why would I have it and not you?
[21:01] <mhall119> jcastro: are you an LP beta tester?
[21:01] <JFo> not sure unless you are a member of a team that is beta testing it
[21:01] <jcastro> not afaict
[21:01] <JFo> I am an LP beta tester
[21:02] <jcastro> I am in the registry though
[21:02] <JFo> way too many teams I am a member of
[21:02] <JFo> ugh
[21:02] <jcastro> maybe it's not rolled out yet, maybe that's why there's no explanation
[21:02]  * jcastro will hold off
[21:02] <JFo> what do you mean in the registry?
[21:03] <jcastro> the registry team, it's like some superuser-esque team
[21:03] <JFo> oh, hmmm, that is possibly it
[21:03] <jcastro> so I can manage upstream project links, etc. across the board.
[21:03] <jono> czajkowski, hey
[21:03] <czajkowski> jono: free for a pm ?
[21:03] <jono> czajkowski, sure
[21:04] <czajkowski> spank goo
[21:04] <paultag> ...
[21:04] <JFo> jcastro, wow only 9 members of that team :)
[21:05] <JFo> I gots me some high powered friends ;)
[21:10]  * jcastro makes shifty eye movements
[21:10] <jcastro> JFo: I don't like the implementation
[21:10] <JFo> of?
[21:10] <jcastro> seems you would do it like stack, where people would just flag em as they see em
[21:10] <jcastro> and after a certain threshold it just autohides
[21:10] <jcastro> instead of one person making the determination
[21:10] <JFo> well, for 400 comment bugs that isn't feasible
[21:11] <jcastro> true, but like, if only X amount of people can flag then you don't scale
[21:11] <JFo> and if we have said that there is a bug supervisor for the package (like we plan to) I think we should trust that person, but also allow a way to uncheck the hide this box
[21:12] <JFo> I understand what you mean
[21:12] <JFo> but in some cases that is exactly what you want, say security for example
[21:13] <jcastro> right
[21:13] <JFo> so flexibility is key
[21:13] <JFo> I think the ACL work being done will help tremendously
[21:13] <jcastro> the problem is over the years people think that bug trackers are forums
[21:13] <JFo> well, I hope it will
[21:13] <jcastro> "if you disagree leave a comment!"
[21:14] <JFo> true
[21:14] <jcastro> we should just say "from now on all non-useful comments will be flagged and subsequently deleted."
[21:14] <jcastro> the tracker should be all work/engineering based things
[21:14] <JFo> well, the big reason I wanted/asked for it was spam
[21:14] <jcastro> but then we went and added "opinion"
[21:14] <jcastro> grrrrrrr.....
[21:14] <JFo> not just of the automated variety
[21:15] <JFo> yeah, I hate Opinion
[21:15] <JFo> there is no place for it
[21:15] <JFo> were you in the discussion around changing those?
[21:15]  * JFo digs up the BP
[21:16] <JFo> jcastro, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/other-o-bug-lifecycle
[21:16] <JFo> we discussed the usefulness, or lack thereof of the bug states
[21:16] <JFo> some really great stuff possible from the conversation
[21:17] <jcastro> it should be like this
[21:17] <jcastro> "flag this comment as:"
[21:17] <jcastro> * spam
[21:17] <jcastro> * doesn't help debug the problem
[21:17] <jcastro> * discussion that belongs on a mailing list or forum
[21:17] <jcastro> and that's it.
[21:17] <JFo> and based on that either delete or just hide and respond appropriately
[21:18] <jcastro> or perhaps "* this is a me too!" which then deletes the comment but increments the "affects me"
[21:18] <JFo> we could even add auto responses to the e-mail they receive
[21:18] <JFo> I like that idea as well
[21:18] <JFo> in fact, that is where tons of bug spam comes from
[21:18] <JFo> the me too's
[21:18] <jcastro> right
[21:18] <JFo> at least for me thatis
[21:18] <jcastro> yeah
[21:18] <jcastro> could automate it too
[21:18] <JFo> yep
[21:19] <JFo> would make my life much more bearable
[21:19] <jcastro> sends you a mail "you put the words "me too" or "+1" in a bug report, we deleted it, here's some instructions on blah blah"
[21:19] <JFo> I've given up thinking it will get 'easy' ;-)
[21:19] <JFo> yep
[21:20] <JFo> so dude, get in on that conversation I linked you the blueprint for.
[21:20] <JFo> I think you will find the chat enlightening
[21:20] <JFo> LP team was way on board
[21:21] <jcastro> nod
[21:21] <JFo> as a matter of fact, I know where you can get the audio :-)
[21:21] <doctormo> jcastro just walked into my computer lab... a different one. heh.
[21:22] <czajkowski> http://www.recipe.com/images/cinnamon-churros-R136164-l.jpg
[21:22] <czajkowski> really want
[21:22] <czajkowski> and the white stuff you stick them in
[21:22] <czajkowski> like vanilla icing or something
[21:22] <doctormo> czajkowski: You make make those dead easy.
[21:22] <doctormo> can*
[21:22] <czajkowski> not from where I am right now
[21:23] <JFo> where were we when I was noshing on some of those? Dallas?
[21:23] <JFo> I think it was
[21:23] <JFo> so good.
[21:23] <JFo> hot AND soft at the same time
[21:23] <JFo> mmmmmm
[21:23] <czajkowski> yes
[21:24] <czajkowski> NEWARK airport is my fav airport
[21:24] <czajkowski> it has at least 2 of those shops
[21:24] <doctormo> cinemon mon cyne mon mon
[21:24] <czajkowski> plus a mac shop :D
[21:25] <paultag> was that english? :)
[21:25] <paultag> not the mac shop thing :)
[21:30] <czajkowski> I have some lovely friends really I do
[21:30] <czajkowski> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1416801/
[21:32] <paultag> czajkowski: that movie is about one of my best friend's uncles
[21:32] <paultag> czajkowski: it takes place in Cleveland Ohio (where I am now)
[21:34] <jcastro> jcastro_: hi how are you
[21:34] <jcastro_> jcastro: test test
[21:34] <czajkowski> surely 1 jcastro_ is more than enough :)
[21:34] <jcastro_> NEVER!
[21:34] <paultag> czajkowski: 1 too many, in fact
[21:39] <jcastro> test
[21:39] <jcastro> ok, all set. :)
[21:41] <jcastro> paultag: one more ping
[21:41] <jcastro> testing
[21:42] <JFo> tap tap tap
[21:42] <JFo> is this thing on?
[21:56] <paultag> jcastro: hey man
[21:56] <paultag> jcastro: ping pong pong ping
[21:57] <paultag> Wana see a man who knows how to graduate with style? I sure do -- http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/230783_1455600390287_1241640883_31458164_5891133_n.jpg
[21:57] <paultag> that is what's known as living the dream
[21:58]  * czajkowski high fives the loco council
[21:58] <czajkowski> we have teams submitting their re approvals ALREADY!!!
[21:58] <czajkowski> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/05/21/teams-up-for-re-approval-re-approvals-for-o-cycle/
[21:58] <czajkowski> 27 teams
[21:58] <czajkowski> :o
[21:58] <czajkowski> I'm a member of two of them!
[21:59] <czajkowski> FUN!
[21:59] <pleia2> paultag: congrats :)
[21:59] <czajkowski> paultag: still a wee bit broken today are you
[22:04] <nigelb> paultag: zomg, you graduated? Congrats!
[22:04] <nigelb> pleia2: You'er back!
[22:04] <pleia2> nigelb: nah, still on the wrong coast :)
[22:05] <nigelb> pleia2: ah, stopover :)
[22:05] <pleia2> yeah, boarding in a half hour or so
[22:05] <nigelb> woah, its 2:35. I should sleep.
[22:07] <jono> nigelb, go to bed! :-)
[22:08] <czajkowski> jono: I'll tell you this when I see you on here at 7am!
[22:08] <jono> czajkowski, ooooooh...busted!
[22:09] <jono> :-)
[22:09] <czajkowski> :)
[22:09] <czajkowski> I came to the UK with 2 suitcases
[22:09] <czajkowski> how do I have more than this already after 7 months
[22:09] <czajkowski> I've just donated to a local charity shop a rake of clothes and books so that should help
[22:09] <jono> hah
[22:10] <czajkowski> ends of things like creams are getting plastered on my face
[22:10] <czajkowski> face has never been so well groomed
[22:10] <czajkowski> mental note: with cream on ones face do not turn on skype video and scare your parents to death
[22:11] <pleia2> haha
[22:12] <czajkowski> <--- classy bird don't you know
[22:16] <nigelb> jono: okay okay /me heads to bed :)
[22:16] <nigelb> Night all!
[22:17] <paultag> pleia2: thanks!!
[22:17] <paultag> nigelb: thanks!!
[22:17] <paultag> czajkowski: yeah, I'm suppppper hungover
[22:17] <paultag> czajkowski: ^5 to the LC! :)
[22:17] <nigelb> paultag: when are you *not* hungover :P
[22:17] <paultag> nigelb: you make a good point
[22:17]  * nigelb heads to bed for real.
[22:17] <paultag> nigelb: n8!
[22:28] <nigelb> bah
[22:28] <nigelb> spam wakes me up
[22:55] <JFo> I've found that if I shut the machine down that doesn't happen ;-P
[23:27] <Technoviking> OK who gave cooties to Kenvandine:)
[23:30] <mhall119> not me
[23:30] <mhall119> but I'll be giving him MPs soon enough