| === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter | ||
| robert_ancell | RAOF, some X questions. a) Does the X server have any system for setting the default configuration? b) Debian seems to have /etc/default/keyboard, but I think that's not standard, it does have four environment variables - are they standard? c) Is this file even used to set up X at all in the current setup? | 01:41 |
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| RAOF | robert_ancell: What do you mean by ¨default configuration¨? | 01:42 |
| RAOF | Ah. Keyboard layout setup? | 01:43 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, default keyboard configuration - does X do anything special when these aren't specified explicitly in Xorg.conf | 01:43 |
| RAOF | I don't believe so. | 01:44 |
| RAOF | I *think* that it inherits it from the kernel VT. | 01:45 |
| RAOF | Itś also possible that gdm is reading it from somewhere else; I don't believe that it's reading from /etc/default/keyboard, though. | 01:47 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, GDM doesn't care, because it uses gnome-session which sets the layout to what you've configured | 01:48 |
| TheMuso | Oh yay, the mountain of email after coming back from a week off. The only part I don't like about taking time off. :) | 01:48 |
| RAOF | robert_ancell: Hm. Have you checked out /etc/gdm/Init/Default? That appears to extract the XKB* environment variables and then set the X keymap from them. | 01:50 |
| RAOF | Oh, no. I'm misinterpreting that grep | 01:51 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, that just does completely weird stuff. I can't work out what it's doing | 01:53 |
| RAOF | From the comments and code it looks like it's trying to port the XKB configuration from GDM's X server to the server itś spawning for the session. | 01:54 |
| RAOF | robert_ancell: Bah! Of course, the keyboard layout information hangs off the /dev/input/event? node as udev properties. I knew that! | 02:07 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, so what does that mean... | 02:08 |
| RAOF | X gets the default configuration from the udev properties. | 02:11 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, and that is overridden if config is set in XOrg.conf? | 02:13 |
| RAOF | Yes. Xorg.conf always wins. | 02:14 |
| RAOF | Or, now, itś udev → /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/* → /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/* → /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 02:15 |
| RAOF | Hm. deadkeys suck :) | 02:15 |
| TheMuso | Yay for people opening a new bug to ask for an older bug to be re-opened... | 02:21 |
| RAOF | The inevitable side-effect of having terminal bug states. | 02:22 |
| * TheMuso is continually disappointed by motherboard manufacturers not filling in all of the dmi fields for their boards. | 02:32 | |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu.com/611649/ | 02:40 |
| RAOF | TheMuso: To Be Filled In By OEM is a *prolific* hardware vendor :) | 02:41 |
| RAOF | robert_ancell: Youǘe been VT switching? | 02:42 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, maybe | 02:42 |
| RAOF | I think I may have seen a patch for this problem… | 02:43 |
| RAOF | Oh, no. That VT switch thing is probably a subsequent error. | 02:44 |
| TheMuso | heh, I have seen ASUS and ASRock be inconsistant with their data so far. | 02:44 |
| RAOF | robert_ancell: How often/when is that happening, and can you get a proper backtrace? | 02:45 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, I just triggered it running Unity though lightdm | 02:45 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, haven't tried to keep triggering, what do I need to do to get a nice backtrace | 02:46 |
| RAOF | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing | 02:47 |
| RAOF | Particularly the remote gdb bit. | 02:48 |
| * TheMuso sighs. | 04:02 | |
| TheMuso | Yay for bugs where people report broken sound yet they have actually gone ahead and built newer pieces of the sound stack, breaking everything. :S | 04:02 |
| lifeless | foot-gun ftw | 04:02 |
| TheMuso | Yup. | 04:03 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, I just can't get X to drop a core file, I've enabled apport, set ulimit -c unlimited, and looked in the current dir, /var/crash and /etc/X11 but it just doesn't seem to want to make one | 04:06 |
| lifeless | is it crashing? | 04:07 |
| robert_ancell | yup | 04:07 |
| robert_ancell | Do I need to set NoTrapSignals as well? | 04:07 |
| robert_ancell | How does apport normally detect crashes? | 04:07 |
| lifeless | I think you need to, yes | 04:08 |
| RAOF | The apport integration patch is a little bit hit and miss. | 04:32 |
| pitti | Good morning | 05:29 |
| pitti | robert_ancell, RAOF: I think cjwatson went through some efforts to have /etc/default/keyboard be the authoritative source for both console-setup and X.org | 05:30 |
| RAOF | pitti: Yes, it is. | 05:30 |
| pitti | I'm not sure how it affects the X server, though | 05:30 |
| RAOF | X reads the udev properties that get set up. | 05:31 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: apport crashes> when a process dumps core, the kernel calls it through /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern | 05:31 |
| RAOF | I knew this, in a past life. I just needed reminding of it :) | 05:31 |
| pitti | RAOF: ah, right | 05:31 |
| pitti | so did I | 05:31 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, oh, if I set NoTrapSignals, the whole display systems seems to lock up, I guess when X catches a segfault there is a chance for cleanup? | 05:32 |
| pitti | brb | 05:33 |
| RAOF | robert_ancell: There is, yes. That's why apport doesn't necessarily catch it; X does some unwinding, and then our apport patch causes it to (mostly/sometimes) re-raise the SEGV. | 05:33 |
| RAOF | robert_ancell: I just attach gdb to X and be done with it; that always works :) | 05:34 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, ok, i'll try that | 05:34 |
| TheMuso | Morning pitti. | 05:39 |
| pitti | hey TheMuso | 05:39 |
| * TheMuso wonders how hardware enablement guys keep their sanity... | 05:41 | |
| TheMuso | I'm currently catching up on email, and doing audio bug triage, and keep running into users who have filed bugs about a chipset that has been shown to be buggy, although it took 11.04/2.6.38 kernel to make it show up... | 05:43 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, course, it doesn't occur once I connect gdb... | 05:50 |
| RAOF | Heh. | 05:50 |
| RAOF | It's not just blocked waiting for you to respond to a signal? | 05:51 |
| robert_ancell | nope | 05:58 |
| RAOF | Oh, well. Yay heisenbug. | 06:04 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 07:17 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson, had a nice weekend? | 07:17 |
| chrisccoulson | hi pitti. yeah, my weekend wasn't too bad thanks. did you have a nice weekend too? | 07:18 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: oh yes; spent all Sunday with gardening work, and Saturday with some more unpacking boxes, and calling family and friends | 07:19 |
| TheMuso | Hey chrisccoulson. | 07:19 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - sounds like you had quite a busy weekend ;) | 07:20 |
| chrisccoulson | hi TheMuso, how are you? | 07:20 |
| TheMuso | chrisccoulson: Not too bad thanks, spent just about all my work day today working on bug triaging, based on what I received in email. | 07:22 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, i need to spend some time bug triaging too ;) | 07:23 |
| didrocks | good morning | 07:49 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks, ca va? | 07:51 |
| didrocks | pitti: guten morgen. I'm fine, thanks, and you? how was your week-end? | 07:52 |
| pitti | didrocks: lots of work in the garden and unpacking boxes, feeling my muscles :) so, pretty good | 07:53 |
| didrocks | nice in some way ;) | 07:54 |
| Sweetshark | G'Morning all! | 07:58 |
| pitti | hey Sweetshark, guten Morgen! wie gehts/ | 07:59 |
| pitti | ? | 07:59 |
| pitti | server reboot after upgrade to squeeze, brb | 07:59 |
| jasoncwarner | morning everyone | 07:59 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: the workitem show only up in the burndown, if targeted against ubuntu and named desktop-o-*, right? | 08:00 |
| pitti | hey jasoncwarner | 08:02 |
| didrocks | hey Sweetshark, jasoncwarner | 08:03 |
| jasoncwarner | morning didrocks | 08:05 |
| jasoncwarner | how was weekend,everyone? Very raining here | 08:06 |
| cdbs | good morning jasoncwarner , didrocks , how are ya all? | 08:06 |
| didrocks | jasoncwarner: cdbs: I'm fine here, thanks! Long week-end of 3 days, sunny again like the past 2 months :) | 08:07 |
| cdbs | didrocks: Tomorrow's the SRU, still no accept | 08:07 |
| didrocks | cdbs: I'm afraid I can't parse that? | 08:08 |
| cdbs | didrocks: And, Unity guys aren't around yet | 08:08 |
| cdbs | didrocks: I'm talking about the code for the quicklist crasher | 08:08 |
| cdbs | its bugging UpdateManager on Oneiric (as of now) might affect others as well | 08:08 |
| didrocks | cdbs: yeah, they didn't merge anything yet. Have you provided an example program to make it crash btw? | 08:09 |
| cdbs | didrocks: yes, its attached to the bug | 08:09 |
| didrocks | for natty if you want it to be in the SRU | 08:09 |
| didrocks | nice, thanks, I didn't look at it, you should bug them to do their merging | 08:09 |
| * cdbs learns some poking techniques | 08:11 | |
| Sweetshark | pitti: the workitem show only up in the burndown, if targeted against ubuntu and named desktop-o-*, right? (repost because of pitti sneakily vanishing after greeting) | 08:11 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: targetted against ubuntu and assigned to someone in our team | 08:12 |
| pitti | the naming is largely irrelevant | 08:12 |
| pitti | erm, targetted to oneiric in particular | 08:12 |
| didrocks | hum, interesting, gnome-session dep on gnome-shell in debian | 08:30 |
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| didrocks | hey seb128! | 09:08 |
| seb128 | hey didrocks ;-) | 09:08 |
| seb128 | hello desktopers | 09:08 |
| didrocks | how are you? | 09:08 |
| seb128 | I'm fine thanks, how are you? had a nice weekend? | 09:09 |
| didrocks | yeah, very sunny, long walks in city/parks… took some fresh air. Was excellent! | 09:09 |
| seb128 | great | 09:10 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128, ca va? | 09:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, hey, ca va bien! et toi ? | 09:11 |
| pitti | seb128: je suis bien, merci! | 09:12 |
| pitti | seb128: FYI, gnome-icon-theme "only" grew by 0.4 MB after fixing it, so right now it's not a major issue | 09:12 |
| seb128 | nice | 09:12 |
| pitti | seb128: it ballooned to 25 MB because the new .deb installed the icon cache | 09:12 |
| pitti | s/installed/shipped/ | 09:12 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 09:13 |
| didrocks | icon cache == png from svg or another cache? | 09:13 |
| seb128 | great that is was only a bug ;-) | 09:13 |
| pitti | didrocks: /usr/share/icons/gnome/icon-theme.cache | 09:13 |
| seb128 | didrocks, the mmap of the icons in theme | 09:13 |
| pitti | I think it's only for category/size lookup and uncompressing PNG | 09:13 |
| didrocks | oh right, the mmap, thanks! | 09:13 |
| pitti | not svg | 09:13 |
| pitti | erk, libgnome-keyring 3.0.2. causes an nm-applet segfault; I didn't notice that at first :/ | 09:14 |
| * pitti debugs | 09:14 | |
| didrocks | seb128: small questions on mimetype: do you regularly refresh desktop-files-utils defaults.list base on gnome-session's one? (and also, how do you determine if you use the alias x- or the canonical name?) | 09:31 |
| didrocks | the desktop spec isn't very verbose about that point | 09:31 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no, I mostly ignore what debian does in gnome-session for those | 09:33 |
| seb128 | didrocks, what canonical name? | 09:33 |
| didrocks | like audio/x-flac (alias) and audio/flac (canonical name) | 09:34 |
| didrocks | I don't see a pattern, both are sometimes define, sometimes only one, and so… | 09:34 |
| seb128 | well the defaults.list should use whatever the application .desktop list | 09:34 |
| seb128 | but I don't know the specifics either, I though it was the same than for desktop keys | 09:35 |
| seb128 | i.e x- for non official ones | 09:35 |
| didrocks | i would have think that, but sometimes both are defined, that's weird… | 09:35 |
| seb128 | well maybe that's for compatability when it switched to the official type | 09:36 |
| seb128 | to not break applications still defining the x- variant | 09:36 |
| didrocks | yeah probably, was thinking as the spec uses the terms "alias", it would have been done at a higher level (gio or whatever) | 09:36 |
| seb128 | yeah, I don't know either | 09:37 |
| didrocks | no worry thanks seb128 :) | 09:37 |
| didrocks | I'll add to desktop-file-utils the one which can be relevant from gnome-session to us | 09:38 |
| seb128 | ok | 09:38 |
| htorque | hello everyone! i got a question: is gdm no longer supposed to take /etc/gdm/custom.conf into account? | 09:40 |
| tjaalton | how can I restore the unity panel back on top of the windows, after a ffox crash it remains below them | 09:41 |
| tjaalton | side panel | 09:42 |
| seb128 | hey htorque | 09:43 |
| seb128 | htorque, what version? | 09:43 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, compiz --replace? | 09:43 |
| htorque | seb128, 2.32.1-0ubuntu3 in natty | 09:43 |
| seb128 | htorque, no reason it shouldn't work | 09:44 |
| tjaalton | seb128: probably would work, though it would resize all my terminals | 09:44 |
| tjaalton | +also | 09:44 |
| didrocks | seb128: forgot to bzr push desktop-file-utils ? | 09:44 |
| seb128 | ups | 09:45 |
| seb128 | didrocks, let me check | 09:45 |
| seb128 | it has been a while | 09:45 |
| htorque | seb128, :-/ it says 'DefaultSession=unity-2d' but it always starts what was chosen last time, will try different sessions instead of unity-2d | 09:45 |
| seb128 | htorque, do you have a session in .dmrc? | 09:45 |
| seb128 | htorque, well "default" is what is used when you never selected a session | 09:46 |
| htorque | oh | 09:46 |
| seb128 | otherwise it will use what you picked | 09:46 |
| didrocks | (if you never changed your session, yeah) | 09:46 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no, I cleaned my checkouts since, just commit whatever is in the archive to the vcs, sorry | 09:47 |
| didrocks | seb128: no worry :) let me see what changed then | 09:47 |
| seb128 | but it's not me who did the recent upload | 09:48 |
| seb128 | it's mvo who sponsored something | 09:48 |
| htorque | seb128, yes, i have a session defined in ~/.dmrc - has it always worked this way? | 09:48 |
| seb128 | htorque, yes | 09:48 |
| mvo | hm? | 09:48 |
| didrocks | hey mvo | 09:49 |
| mvo | hey didrocks and seb128 | 09:49 |
| seb128 | hey mvo ;-) | 09:49 |
| mvo | what package are we talking about? | 09:49 |
| didrocks | yeah novody checked, you just missed the debcommit -r ; bzr push, but the next upload is not there | 09:49 |
| mvo | aha, desktop-file-utils? | 09:49 |
| didrocks | let me readd that | 09:49 |
| htorque | seb128, wow, then i'm sorry for interrupting - i always thought whatever you set with gdmsetup becomes the new (default) session | 09:50 |
| didrocks | it's the default session if you changed anything at the user level | 09:51 |
| htorque | didrocks, yeah, that was a misinterpretation on my end :) | 09:51 |
| seb128 | htorque, no worry | 09:52 |
| htorque | seb128, didrocks: thanks for your time :) | 09:52 |
| didrocks | yw :) | 09:52 |
| rodrigo_ | hi | 09:58 |
| didrocks | hey rodrigo_ | 10:01 |
| pitti | hey rodrigo_, good morning | 10:04 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: FYI, I finally got g-p-m to build | 10:04 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, ah, cool, why wasn't it building? | 10:05 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: missing dh-autoreconf (for your "drop control-center dependency" patch), and wrong libnotify b-dep | 10:05 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, ah, ok | 10:05 |
| pitti | oh, and libappindicator3-dev was also missing | 10:05 |
| seb128 | great, versions is less than 2 pages of updates to do | 10:20 |
| pitti | I guess panel etc. are still blocked by unity gtk3 migratin? | 10:21 |
| didrocks | panel? | 10:23 |
| seb128 | yes | 10:23 |
| seb128 | gnome-applets gnome-panel gnome-menus | 10:24 |
| seb128 | didrocks, to update those we need to update the indicators to gtk3 | 10:24 |
| seb128 | which also mean updating the unity panel service to gtk3 | 10:24 |
| didrocks | right | 10:24 |
| didrocks | so first, indicators | 10:24 |
| seb128 | pitti, there is a note on the etherpad about that | 10:24 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, vino has a merge request from jbicha ready | 10:25 |
| seb128 | cf versions | 10:26 |
| seb128 | if you want to review and sponsor it | 10:26 |
| seb128 | didrocks, btw mterry assigned you the accountsservice mir review if you didn't notice | 10:26 |
| didrocks | seb128: I noticed, I try to get a day full of gnome-session first :) | 10:27 |
| seb128 | didrocks, yeah, no hurry ;-) | 10:27 |
| didrocks | the good news is that the diff will be less than before, but reviewing and ensuring everything will be fine is quite long with all the changes | 10:27 |
| seb128 | yeah, I can imagine | 10:28 |
| seb128 | so I'm wondering if it would be acceptable to "break" gnome-panel in oneiric | 10:29 |
| didrocks | break, like right now, before alpha1? | 10:29 |
| seb128 | i.e to go for the gtk3 version which will mean breaking indicators use in gnome-panel until they are ported | 10:29 |
| didrocks | if we want the new gnome-panel, I'm afraid the indicator port will be long, so maybe that worthes it, isn't it? | 10:30 |
| pitti | seb128: don't call it "break" -- call it "increase the motivation to port indicators" | 10:30 |
| didrocks | heh :) | 10:30 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ah, ok | 10:30 |
| seb128 | didrocks, why would it be long? we got the stack ready previous cycle and this to build without deprecation | 10:31 |
| seb128 | those | 10:31 |
| seb128 | it should be trivial for those not using ido | 10:31 |
| seb128 | kenvandine is working on that and got it almost ported | 10:31 |
| seb128 | but I might be overlooking something? | 10:32 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, bug #786899 | 10:32 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 786899 in gnome-settings-daemon "package gnome-settings-daemon 2.32.1-0ubuntu13.1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/gnome-control-center/keybindings/50-accessibility.xml', which is also in package gnome-control-center-data 1:3.0.1.1-1ubuntu1~natty1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/786899 | 10:32 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok, taking it | 10:33 |
| didrocks | seb128: there is still some patches waiting for gtk, isn't it? I don't remember if I merged them or not | 10:33 |
| didrocks | for soundmenu IIRC | 10:34 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I think there is one needed yes, I will check with kenvandine when he's online | 10:34 |
| didrocks | seb128: I think I ported it in gtk2, but better to check, right | 10:34 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, it might not need anything but it's worth checking it's not a missing replaces or something, could be a downgrade issue from the ppa to natty (downgrades are not supported but some people try anyway and run into issue)à | 10:35 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, yes, seems like a missing replace indeed | 10:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks, pitti, rodrigo_: ok, I will start on gnome-panel in the ubuntu-desktop ppa to see how it goes and port one or two indicators | 10:35 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, no need to upload for it, just get the fix in the vcs, thanks ;-) | 10:36 |
| didrocks | nice :) | 10:36 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok, cool, should we also upload gnome-menus before you upload panel? | 10:36 |
| pitti | I finally bent {lib,}gnome-keyring to my will, uploading now | 10:36 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, you can upload in the gnome3 ppa with an oneiric target | 10:37 |
| seb128 | pitti, \o/ | 10:37 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, let's try with the ppa first | 10:37 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok | 10:37 |
| pitti | seb128: libgk-k will be in Debian NEW, so that'll take a few days; not that urgent though, I presume? | 10:37 |
| seb128 | pitti, what is NEW in there? | 10:37 |
| seb128 | it's a minor revision update? | 10:38 |
| pitti | seb128: Debian added a -dbg for the library | 10:38 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 10:38 |
| seb128 | no, no hurry | 10:38 |
| seb128 | but you can just dput as 0build1 if you want | 10:38 |
| seb128 | so it will be synced when it's NEWed | 10:38 |
| pitti | ah, sure | 10:39 |
| pitti | seb128: -panel/-applets jbicha's PPA are not useful merges already? | 10:40 |
| seb128 | pitti, they are likely useful, I plan to start from them | 10:40 |
| seb128 | did I say I hate autotools? totem fails to build with no obvious error in the log and it builds fine there. I bet it miss a build-depends but not sure which one | 10:42 |
| didrocks | seb128: you hate autotools because you never tried cmake :p | 10:43 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 10:43 |
| lifeless | didrocks: its possible to hate multiple build-tools ;) | 10:45 |
| didrocks | lifeless: heh :) | 10:47 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128, how are you? | 10:48 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson, I'm fine, what about you? had a nice w.e? | 10:48 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, good thanks, although i did a bit of work to make up for having another national holiday today ;) | 10:49 |
| seb128 | you have another holiday today? | 10:49 |
| seb128 | you are making those up right? | 10:49 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, it's another holiday here today | 10:50 |
| seb128 | lying! | 10:50 |
| pitti | another royal couple to get wed? | 10:51 |
| chrisccoulson | lol, i hope not ;) | 10:51 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_holidays_in_the_United_Kingdom says you are lying | 10:52 |
| seb128 | next monday is one though | 10:52 |
| didrocks | gord is there today, so yeah, stop lying :) | 10:52 |
| didrocks | hey chrisccoulson! | 10:52 |
| seb128 | njpatel as well | 10:52 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 10:53 |
| chrisccoulson | it's next monday ;) | 10:53 |
| chrisccoulson | good job i did some work already! | 10:53 |
| chrisccoulson | stupid calendar ;) | 10:53 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/LivingintheUK/DG_073741 | 10:53 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 10:53 |
| seb128 | right | 10:53 |
| njpatel | Hello | 10:53 |
| chrisccoulson | i can't believe i got that wrong! | 10:53 |
| njpatel | holiday next Monday | 10:53 |
| njpatel | yes | 10:53 |
| seb128 | hey njpatel, no worry, chrisccoulson tried to sneak off work pretenting it was a uk bank holiday | 10:53 |
| chrisccoulson | that's what happens when i never leave the house ;) | 10:53 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: nice try! :-) | 10:53 |
| njpatel | if United win the champions league on sat, I might still be drunk | 10:53 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 10:54 |
| pitti | RAOF: you are the approver of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-xorg-stakeholders-request, are you aware of this? | 10:54 |
| didrocks | njpatel: and during this time, other people works on promoting ubuntu and french events. We see the priorities! :-) | 10:54 |
| gord | hey - if chrisccoulson says its a bank holiday - i'm not gonna argue - extra day of sleep would be welcome ;) | 10:54 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 10:54 |
| chrisccoulson | i feel like that too ;) | 10:54 |
| RAOF | pitti: Hm, no I wasn't! Thanks. | 10:55 |
| * RAOF wonders why he's the approver of that. | 10:55 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, the ubuntu french party is at the wrong time, you are competing with RG... | 10:56 |
| seb128 | I was pondering coming until I realized that | 10:56 |
| didrocks | seb128: come on, don't try to get a slacking excuse! :p | 10:56 |
| rodrigo_ | ok, I'm reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/oneiric/vino/vino-3.0.2/+merge/61885 | 10:56 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, thanks | 10:57 |
| didrocks | seb128: so, this "thing" I saw on TV yesterday was RG? | 10:57 |
| seb128 | you have a tv now?! ;-) | 10:57 |
| didrocks | for watching nolife, sure :-) | 10:58 |
| seb128 | but dunno, the TV is able to display several things | 10:58 |
| didrocks | and big bang theory, mostely :) | 10:58 |
| seb128 | but you might have crossed it yes, it started yesterday ;-) | 10:58 |
| pitti | cyphermox: I left some comments in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-desktop-network-enhancements, setting back to drafting FYI | 10:58 |
| pitti | RAOF: I think it makes sense of X.org folks cross-checking each other's blueprints; you'd rather have a different approach? | 10:59 |
| pitti | RAOF: you can hand over approver to me if you prefer | 10:59 |
| didrocks | seb128: that should be it, they were shouting and seemed to feel pain :-) | 11:00 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you just don't understand sport | 11:00 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: are you still working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-libreoffice-packaging ? (it's still in state "new") | 11:01 |
| seb128 | but I will follow njpatel's at getting drunk saturday if manchester wins ;-) | 11:01 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: it should be in "drafting" while you are working on the spec, then flip it to "pending approval" once you are done and want the approver to review | 11:01 |
| didrocks | seb128: I think it's rather sport which doesn't understand me :-) | 11:01 |
| RAOF | pitti: I'm not *entirely* clear as to the role of the approver. However, that blueprint matches my memories of the session, and contain appropriate work items, so I've approved it. | 11:01 |
| pitti | RAOF: ok, thanks | 11:02 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: I will have finished all blueprint work by tommorrow meeting time. | 11:05 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: it looks good to me; I just reordered the WIs a bit for chronological milestones, and also droped the redundant [bjoern-m] tags (as you are already the default assignee) | 11:06 |
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| pitti | Sweetshark: ah, good; leaving at drafting then, thanks | 11:06 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - are we able to push the firefox update in natty-proposed this week without getting verification for bug 783856 and bug 783997? i picked those from upstream, and i have no way of contacting the reporters of those to get them to test it | 11:13 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 783856 in globalmenu-extension/1.0 "Thunderbird 3.1.10 Crash Report [@ uGlobalMenuBar::~uGlobalMenuBar ]" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/783856 | 11:13 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 783997 in globalmenu-extension/1.0 "Firefox 4.0.1 Crash Report [@ uGlobalMenuBar::ShouldParentStayVisible ] " [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/783997 | 11:13 |
| chrisccoulson | bug 783790 has been verified to work, and that one is one of the most frequent firefox crashers across all linux users | 11:13 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 783790 in globalmenu-extension/1.0 "Firefox 4 crashes when opening Selenium IDE window" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/783790 | 11:13 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: should be fine, yes; after 7 days | 11:14 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - cool, thanks | 11:14 |
| rodrigo_ | hey chrisccoulson | 11:19 |
| chrisccoulson | hi rodrigo_, how are you? | 11:19 |
| rodrigo_ | chrisccoulson, just pushed your fix for the g-s-d convert file to git | 11:19 |
| chrisccoulson | rodrigo_, cool, thanks | 11:20 |
| rodrigo_ | chrisccoulson, it was indeed a leftover from a previous commit | 11:20 |
| njpatel | seb128, woohoo, I want pictures of drunk you! | 11:27 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 11:27 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: are you still working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-mozilla-rapid-release-maintenance? | 11:28 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: i. e. should it go to 'drafting' or 'review'? | 11:28 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i've finished creating WI's for it now | 11:28 |
| chrisccoulson | (ie, i pretty much know what i'm doing with that one now) | 11:29 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: ok, want me to review then? | 11:29 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - sure, if you don't mind :) | 11:29 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: do you have some idea which of the WIs should be handled first, i. e. for alpha-2? or want me to go through and sort them? | 11:29 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - also, i sent an e-mail out to ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-motu last week asking for help from people who care about any particular packages on that list | 11:30 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i'm not sure which ones to do for a2 yet | 11:30 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: actually, pretty much all of them seem fine by beta-1 | 11:30 |
| chrisccoulson | cool, thanks | 11:31 |
| pitti | I don't immediately see ones which are a blocker for other features/work, do you? | 11:31 |
| pitti | perhaps "Figure out how to support mozvoikko, enigmail and lightning (binary extensions)" | 11:31 |
| * pitti moves that to a2 | 11:32 | |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, i'm not sure what to do about that. i know we have people using mozvoikko, but i don't know how we can support it | 11:33 |
| chrisccoulson | i thought about reimplementing it in javascript and using jsctypes this weekend | 11:33 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't think it would be that hard | 11:34 |
| pitti | jasoncwarner: you are the drafter for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-default-apps, are you ok with this or want someone else to do that? (I wasn't in the session, so I shouldn't do it) | 11:36 |
| cjwatson | what's happening with the libnotify transition? it collides a bit with some other transitions in progress, but I don't know what can be done to progress it (which packages require non-trivial source uploads and which just no-change rebuilds, etc.) | 11:42 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, we did try to actively work on doing a transition for it yet | 11:48 |
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| seb128 | we figured it would be easier to just let things sort over time and do a push to clean remaining ones later | 11:48 |
| cjwatson | mm, but it's causing awkward build failures I don't know how to deal with | 11:48 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, does it create any issue, i.e should it be actively sorted? | 11:48 |
| cjwatson | that are blocking other things | 11:48 |
| cjwatson | some of the interfaces seem to have changed - different numbers of arguments to notify_notification_new, e.g. | 11:49 |
| seb128 | they broke some apis but the changes should be trivial | 11:49 |
| seb128 | right | 11:49 |
| cjwatson | a post about how to deal with it would be welcome | 11:49 |
| cjwatson | I'm happy then to work on unblocking the stuff that affects me | 11:49 |
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| seb128 | cjwatson, I can do that but I'm happy to deal with build issues that are blocking you as well if you give the list | 11:50 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, basically they dropped the option to link the notification to a status icon and widget so the argument got dropped from the notify_notification_new() call and they dropped the function corresponding to those action as well | 11:55 |
| cjwatson | seb128: linuxdcpp balsa openfetion are the ones I recall seeing so far | 11:56 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, so trivial "porting guide" is to drop the last argument from the new call and any call to function that deals with widget or status icon | 11:58 |
| cjwatson | seb128: hmm, I see that libnotify4-dev has now been NBSed though, so I wonder if it's worth retrying linuxdcpp and openfetion | 11:58 |
| seb128 | the result is that notifications will be displayed to the standard location | 11:58 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, right, we came back to the old name to be in sync with what debian is doing (they decided to just transition rather than having both versions) | 11:59 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, do you want me to deal with linuxdcpp balsa openfetion | 11:59 |
| seb128 | ? | 11:59 |
| seb128 | let me have a look to balsa to start just to see what the issue is | 12:00 |
| cjwatson | if you could deal with balsa, I'll retry the others and see if they just work now that libnotify4-dev is gone | 12:00 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:00 |
| seb128 | looking at balsa now | 12:00 |
| didrocks | seb128: what's your pick on dropping the failsafe session and just using gnome classic (no effect) for that? | 12:08 |
| seb128 | works for me | 12:08 |
| didrocks | thanks :) | 12:09 |
| seb128 | lunch, brb | 12:09 |
| seb128 | yw | 12:09 |
| didrocks | enjoy | 12:09 |
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| cjwatson | seb128: linuxdcpp looks OK now | 12:43 |
| chrisccoulson | b'ah, xchat crashes without me realizing | 12:59 |
| chrisccoulson | **crashed | 12:59 |
| pedro_ | good day all | 13:08 |
| pitti | hey pedro_, how are you? | 13:15 |
| pedro_ | hello pitti!, I'm good, thanks. what about you? | 13:15 |
| pedro_ | chrisccoulson, xchat is crashing for me on Spanish, guess you're not using that locale :-P | 13:16 |
| pedro_ | it only works on English | 13:16 |
| chrisccoulson | pedro_, i'm not using spanish ;) | 13:16 |
| pedro_ | :-P | 13:16 |
| pitti | pedro_: I'm great, thanks! weekend was nice | 13:16 |
| seb128 | hey pedro_ | 13:16 |
| pedro_ | bonjour seb128! | 13:17 |
| rodrigo_ | hey pedro_ | 13:20 |
| pedro_ | hola rodrigo_, is xchat-gnome working fine for you? | 13:21 |
| seb128 | pedro_, do you use natty or oneiric? | 13:21 |
| rodrigo_ | pedro_, yes, but in English | 13:21 |
| pedro_ | seb128, Natty, looks like it's due to the translation, i blame dpm | 13:23 |
| dpm | pedro_, you should be using xchat-gnome instead of xchat, I blame you! :P | 13:24 |
| pedro_ | dpm, oh it's xchat-gnome :-P | 13:24 |
| pedro_ | i'm not so mean with the gnome project | 13:24 |
| pedro_ | dpm, bug 785740 | 13:26 |
| dpm | pedro_, ok, looking... | 13:26 |
| pedro_ | cri cri cri | 13:26 |
| pedro_ | no bot? | 13:26 |
| seb128 | pedro_, you broke the bot?! | 13:27 |
| dpm | pedro_, wrong bug # | 13:27 |
| pedro_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat-gnome/+bug/785740 | 13:28 |
| ubot2 | pedro_: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x8b9a52c> bug 785740 not found | 13:28 |
| pedro_ | seb128, wasn't me i swear! | 13:28 |
| seb128 | is the bug non public? | 13:29 |
| pedro_ | yeah it was waiting to be retraced, got a backtrace though so i make it public now | 13:32 |
| * rodrigo_ lunch | 13:35 | |
| didrocks | I think I remember that the one breaking the bot has to replace it manually :-) | 13:36 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i notice you're working on desktop-o-firefox-translations-in-launchpad. do you need the entire list of firefox language packs for that? | 13:40 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: for the dependency? | 13:40 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I thought about checking the package repo for firefox-locale-XX at langpack build time | 13:40 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah (if we need the dependency for >= 11.10) | 13:41 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: my intention was to make this check not version specific | 13:41 |
| pitti | i. e. once we backport this to lucid, it should just work | 13:41 |
| pitti | "if firefox-locale-XX exists, add it as a recommends to language-pack-XX" | 13:42 |
| pitti | is what I thought? | 13:42 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i think that makes sense | 13:42 |
| chrisccoulson | for lucid though, the firefox-locale-XX packages won't exist when you build the language packs will they? (if you build them in the langpack PPA) | 13:43 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: not right now, yes; only once they are in -updates | 13:43 |
| chrisccoulson | note, i've started staging lucid/maverick/natty in here now: https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next | 13:43 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I can also (temporarily?) switch that check to include -proposed, too | 13:43 |
| pitti | <jedi wave>edge is not the hostname you are looking for</jedi wave> | 13:44 |
| bigon | pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cdbs/+bug/745828 << do you think this could be backported to natty? | 13:53 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 745828 in cdbs "python-module.mk incorectly call dh_python2 with unexisting --prefix parameter" [High,Fix released] | 13:53 |
| pitti | bigon: yes, it only changes a code path which is definitively broken right now, so safe for SRU | 13:54 |
| pitti | do we need it for anything? | 13:55 |
| bigon | backporting of some packages | 13:55 |
| pitti | ah, right | 13:56 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: would you mind doing https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/po2xpi/fix-update-data/+merge/60688 ? should be quick | 13:56 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: otherwise the PPA packages will break the SRU fix again | 13:57 |
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| chrisccoulson | pitti, sure, no problem | 13:57 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - ok, done | 13:59 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: cheers | 13:59 |
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| pitti | chrisccoulson: hm, lintian complains about | 14:17 |
| pitti | lintian error: W: language-pack-es-base: jar-not-in-usr-share usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions/langpack-es-CL@firefox.mozilla.org/chrome/es-CL.jar | 14:17 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I guess that's for Debian policy, and we actually do want it in /usr/share? (for lucid/maverick) | 14:17 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - the issue is that /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions can contain binary files too, so you can't move the whole folder to /usr/share, and there isn't really anywhere else in /usr/share to put them | 14:19 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: ok, so this lintian check is just bogus then at least for our purposes | 14:20 |
| chrisccoulson | i think the firefox package used to be carved up between /usr/lib and /usr/share a long, long time ago, but it's been in /usr/lib/ ever since i started | 14:20 |
| chrisccoulson | and i just override the lintian warnings for those | 14:20 |
| * pitti filters it out in the test suite theen | 14:22 | |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: I'm in favor or dropping https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=598118 from now as we will revisit with compiz the screensaver experience, any thought on that? (I don't know with the GNOME3 world, but I don't find any gui to change /apps/gnome-power-manager/lock/suspend for instance) | 14:55 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 598118 in gnome-session "Screensaver lock-on-suspend policy inconsistent with gnome-power-manager" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 14:55 |
| didrocks | I know that locking the screen was on robert's plate with lightdm | 14:56 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, i think we still need that until we've figured out what we're doing with screen locking | 15:01 |
| seb128 | need what? | 15:02 |
| didrocks | seb128: the screen locking policy, see my message above | 15:03 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: where is the ui to change g-w-m screen locking policy? | 15:03 |
| didrocks | g-p-m* | 15:04 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ok, I just restarted my session so I didn't see it but doesn't seem like anything I would useful to comment on ;-) | 15:04 |
| seb128 | so ignore my question ;-) | 15:04 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, there isn't one. the issue was that gnome-session and gnome-power-manager had different ideas about whether to lock the screen | 15:04 |
| chrisccoulson | there shouldn't be a UI for configuring the g-p-m setting (ie, assume that the screen should always be locked on suspend) | 15:05 |
| didrocks | seb128: I think you can have interesting input for it: 15:55:50 didrocks | chrisccoulson: I'm in favor or dropping https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=598118 from now as we will revisit with compiz the screensaver experience, any thought on that? (I don't know with the GNOME3 world, but I don't find any gui to change /apps/gnome-power-manager/lock/suspend for instance) | 15:05 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 598118 in gnome-session "Screensaver lock-on-suspend policy inconsistent with gnome-power-manager" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 15:05 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: but, gnome-screensaver option is confusing then | 15:05 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, the gnome-screensaver options is about locking when the screensaver activates | 15:06 |
| chrisccoulson | disabling that shouldn't also switch off lock-on-suspend | 15:06 |
| chrisccoulson | which was the original issue :) | 15:06 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: right, but then, what happens if it suspends while the screensaver is active, it's locked :) | 15:06 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that's fine | 15:07 |
| didrocks | the thing is that if robert is changing that in lightdm, not sure we need this patch in gnome-session | 15:07 |
| chrisccoulson | the issue is that users were unchecking lock-on-screensaver and then being surprised that the screen no longer locked on suspend too | 15:07 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't know whether the way this works has changed in gnome 3, but we want to keep the current behaviour :) | 15:08 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: well, better first to check how it works on GNOME 3? | 15:08 |
| chrisccoulson | possibly ;) | 15:08 |
| didrocks | rather than rebasing first the patch, using gsettings… | 15:08 |
| didrocks | let me first look at the schema | 15:08 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't know how anything works in gnome 3 ;) | 15:09 |
| seb128 | check with rodrigo_ | 15:09 |
| seb128 | but yeah, what chrisccoulson said, we want the behaviour to still be what is happening now | 15:10 |
| didrocks | rodrigo_: ? I'm sure you are eager to speak about g-p-m and screen locking :) | 15:10 |
| didrocks | <key name="lock-use-screensaver" type="b"> | 15:10 |
| didrocks | <default>true</default> | 15:10 |
| didrocks | <_summary>Use gnome-screensaver lock setting</_summary> | 15:10 |
| seb128 | didrocks, if you are unsure drop it for now and put a work item on the gnome3 blueprint about sorting that | 15:11 |
| didrocks | in the g-p-m gsettings schema | 15:11 |
| didrocks | so it follows the gnome-screensaver setting right now | 15:11 |
| didrocks | but there are still the different keys if we set that to false | 15:11 |
| didrocks | I don't care either way, just that we should coordinate :-) | 15:12 |
| rodrigo_ | does anyone know of a package that uses dh_installgsettings? | 15:12 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, cdbs use it so any package using cdbs with gnome.mk? | 15:15 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ah, ok, so I don't need to add anything to debian/rules? | 15:16 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, if the package is using cdbs no | 15:16 |
| didrocks | seb128: that can be a sprint topic, at least, we know how it works in gnome3 now, I'll drop a note in the etherpad | 15:16 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok | 15:16 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ok | 15:16 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, btw vino failed to build | 15:16 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, oh? looking | 15:16 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, the autoreconf failed, you probably miss a build-depends on gnome-common or gtk-doc-tools or something | 15:17 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, do you want me to check in a pbuilder which build-depends is missing? | 15:19 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, please | 15:19 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, ok, running it | 15:19 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, although I should really set up a pbuilder myself | 15:19 |
| rodrigo_ | will do it later | 15:19 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto | 15:20 |
| seb128 | if you need documentation | 15:21 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, yes, I know, I already tried some time ago, but it took too much disk space, so removed it | 15:21 |
| rodrigo_ | but yes, will do it again | 15:21 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:21 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: hey, small question: why did you add debian/patches/81_restart_string_on_inhibit.patch in gnome-session to po_up/POTFILES.in as the file is already in POTFILES.in? (and so the modified string is already on launchpad if I'm correct) | 15:22 |
| rodrigo_ | hmm, for dh_installgsettings, do I need to Build-Depend on it? | 15:22 |
| rodrigo_ | ah, no, it's part of debhelper | 15:22 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, ok, vino needs a build-depends on gnome-common | 15:30 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok, fixing it now thanks | 15:31 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, yw | 15:31 |
| seb128 | didrocks, he's not feeling well and not around but I guess there is no real reason (I used to just drop the po-up dir when merging on debianà | 15:34 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, I think it's rather a mistake than anything else. it's still useful for the debian patch which doesn't patch the upstream POTFILES.in (and they merge the translation manually as they have no launchpad-like) | 15:35 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, seb128, hello :) | 15:35 |
| rodrigo_ | hi ricotz | 15:36 |
| seb128 | hey ricotz | 15:36 |
| njpatel | pitti, can i haz workitem status please? :) http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/u/njpatel.html | 15:36 |
| ricotz | is there a decision made yet wether gdm3 will be synced from debian? | 15:36 |
| ricotz | seb128, ^ | 15:37 |
| seb128 | synced? no way | 15:37 |
| seb128 | we have quite some diff, it requires a merge | 15:37 |
| ricotz | ok, what about the package name? | 15:37 |
| seb128 | if somebody wants to rename and merge it do it | 15:38 |
| ricotz | i uploaded accountsservice to the ppa and disabled a gdm3 patch to fit the ubuntu naming | 15:38 |
| seb128 | nobody in the team judged merging gdm was worth the effort | 15:38 |
| ricotz | no i actually wouldnt rename it | 15:38 |
| seb128 | is gdm3 in the ppa?! | 15:38 |
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| ricotz | using the actual approach of gdm in the ppa is fine to me | 15:39 |
| ricotz | seb128, yes | 15:39 |
| seb128 | the login manager should be something that is merged correctly, not a sync from debian | 15:39 |
| ricotz | seb128, ok, while keeping the current state, you might want to upload the modified accountsservice to oneiric | 15:40 |
| ricotz | https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3/+sourcepub/1740115/+listing-archive-extra | 15:40 |
| seb128 | we are on sync with debian and I would like to keep it this way, why do we need a patch? did you put the patch up to review somewhere? | 15:40 |
| ricotz | they introduced a patch to fit there gdm3 folder-naming-change | 15:41 |
| seb128 | hum, ok | 15:42 |
| seb128 | we should update the patch to check for the debian path first and then fallback to the standard one | 15:42 |
| seb128 | ricotz, thanks for pointing it | 15:44 |
| seb128 | pitti, is there any reason you dropped the beta1 target for the gnoime3 workitems? | 15:45 |
| seb128 | - Work items (oneiric-beta-1): | 15:45 |
| seb128 | + Work items: | 15:45 |
| ricotz | seb128, ok, disabling the patch should be fine for now | 15:45 |
| seb128 | ricotz, right, I will do that | 15:45 |
| ricotz | seb128, you could sponsor the package :P | 15:45 |
| seb128 | ricotz, do you have a merge request somewhere? | 15:46 |
| ricotz | hmm, no | 15:46 |
| seb128 | hum ok, I can grab it from the ppa I guess | 15:46 |
| seb128 | but it would be nice if you could try to get things back in the distro by following normal sponsoring workflows ;-) | 15:47 |
| ricotz | seb128, ok, i know :( | 15:47 |
| ricotz | seb128, oh, are you able to sponsor gnome-desktop3 in debian? | 15:48 |
| ricotz | i mean upload 3.0.1-2 | 15:48 |
| seb128 | not easily today, I need to fix my debian vm and update it but I can try to do later | 15:48 |
| seb128 | what did you change there? | 15:48 |
| ricotz | i added the introspection which is needed for gnome-shell-extensions | 15:49 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:49 |
| ricotz | seb128, i will ask there | 15:49 |
| seb128 | let's see if someone else does it first, it doesn't seem to be a priority and will need to go through NEW | 15:50 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:50 |
| Sweetshark | http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-Document-Foundation-announces-the-members-of-the-Engineering-Steering-Committee-td2975506.html <- yeaha! | 15:53 |
| micahg | Sweetshark: congrats! | 16:02 |
| Sweetshark | micahg: thanks ;) | 16:02 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, i am not sure about the libunique-dev (i.e. in vino) shouldnt this be libuniqe-3.0-dev? | 16:20 |
| ricotz | rodrigo__, ^ | 16:20 |
| ricotz | rodrigo__, also libappindicator3-dev | 16:21 |
| ricotz | bbl | 16:22 |
| didrocks | seb128: do you have a org.gnome.sesson gsettings schema installed? (I find references to it in gnome-session but no schema and I don't have an oneiric, even partially upgraded, box) | 16:22 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no | 16:22 |
| didrocks | org.gnome.desktop.session* | 16:22 |
| didrocks | hum… | 16:22 |
| seb128 | gsettings-desktop-schemas: /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gnome.desktop.session.gschema.xml | 16:22 |
| seb128 | didrocks, that yes | 16:22 |
| seb128 | no org.gnome.session though | 16:22 |
| didrocks | ah :) | 16:22 |
| didrocks | ok, that's even, I'll check the dep is ok, but will add a patch to it to set the "ubuntu" session by default | 16:23 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you can install it on natty as well | 16:23 |
| didrocks | thanks ed1703 :) | 16:23 |
| didrocks | seb128: * | 16:23 |
| seb128 | yw | 16:23 |
| kinouchou | salut didrocks et seb128 | 16:29 |
| didrocks | hey kinouchou! | 16:29 |
| seb128 | lut kinouchou | 16:29 |
| rodrigo_ | ugh, inet is not working well today here | 16:46 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, did you get my question? | 16:46 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, hmm, not sure, what question? | 16:46 |
| rodrigo_ | ah, about vino | 16:47 |
| rodrigo_ | yes | 16:47 |
| ricotz | i looked at vino and libunique-dev -> libuniqe-3.0-dev? | 16:47 |
| ricotz | yes | 16:47 |
| ricotz | same for libappindicator | 16:47 |
| rodrigo_ | yes, looking | 16:47 |
| rodrigo_ | libunique is no longer used, so no need for libunique-3.0 | 16:48 |
| rodrigo_ | and yes, libappindicator one is wron | 16:48 |
| ricotz | ok, so you can drop this one | 16:49 |
| rodrigo_ | since the indicator patch is disabled, that's why it doesn't crash with GTK2/3 symbols error | 16:49 |
| ricotz | ah ok | 16:49 |
| rodrigo_ | but yes, changing it now | 16:49 |
| fta | mterry, ping (wrt deja-dup) | 16:52 |
| mterry | fta, hello! | 16:52 |
| fta | mterry, hi | 16:52 |
| fta | mterry, i'm exploring deja-dup to backup my main desktop. i want to use ssh (towards my serv-farm) | 16:53 |
| fta | mterry, but there's a weak link in between (my dsl link at home). what's the behavior of d-d wrt disconnections? | 16:54 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, fixed and uploaded | 16:55 |
| cjwatson | could somebody fix evolution-exchange? it's currently uninstallable, so ubuntu-desktop is uninstallable | 16:56 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, ^ | 16:56 |
| cyphermox | yes | 16:56 |
| mterry | fta, so if the network goes down, it will present an error. And try again later. It should resume where it left off. | 16:56 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, GNOME3 transition, it's taking some time | 16:56 |
| fta | mterry, even with encrypted backups? | 16:57 |
| mterry | fta, yeah, why would that matter? | 16:57 |
| fta | mterry, good question ;) i don't know how it's done but i can think of issues with resumes if stuff is encrypted in flight but is incomplete | 16:59 |
| fta | mterry, also, would be nice to have a "dry-run" feature in the "Files" settings | 17:00 |
| mterry | fta, the way it works is that everything gets chunked up, into say, 10MB chunks, then encrypted. So if it gets incomplete, you'll just not have done the latest chunk | 17:00 |
| mterry | fta, you mean, see how much space is included by the files settings? | 17:00 |
| fta | mterry, oh, ok. good | 17:00 |
| mterry | fta, baobab helps with that, but it would be nice to give a notice | 17:01 |
| fta | mterry, yep, optionally the list of dirs, or something like baobab | 17:01 |
| fta | mterry, .. but baobab doesn't know about the includes/excludes of d-d | 17:01 |
| fta | i don't want to send several TB over my dsl link, it will never complete | 17:02 |
| mterry | fta, we do an internal dry-run when backing up, but don't show it to user... | 17:02 |
| cjwatson | seb128: I know, but oneiric being uninstallable causes some problems so I want to make sure somebody is aware of them | 17:02 |
| cjwatson | I realise it can't be installable all the time - I didn't ask until it had been on the list for a while | 17:02 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, right, we are working on it | 17:02 |
| cyphermox | cjwatson: working on it now :) | 17:03 |
| cjwatson | thanks | 17:03 |
| seb128 | thanks for pointing it | 17:03 |
| cjwatson | (I'm working on live CD build stuff - falling back to working with natty at the moment for a stable base, but can't do that forever :-) ) | 17:03 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, is that the only issue currently? | 17:04 |
| cyphermox | cjwatson: any other things under ubuntu-desktop? | 17:04 |
| cjwatson | that was the only one blocking the ubuntu-desktop task when I tested earlier | 17:04 |
| cjwatson | totem is FTBFS too, but I assume somebody has mail about that and it doesn't seem to be breaking ubuntu-desktop at the moment | 17:05 |
| fta | mterry, last question, if a network error occurs during a backup, will it retry on the next week (or whatever the schedule is) or is it smarter? | 17:05 |
| cjwatson | ah, totem was just fixed, never mind that | 17:06 |
| mterry | fta, it will retry next time you login, or the next day if you don't logout | 17:06 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, right, I fixed that one today | 17:07 |
| fta | mterry, hm.. my backup will never complete then :( | 17:09 |
| mterry | fta, that flaky? | 17:10 |
| fta | mterry, oh yes. you have no idea :( | 17:10 |
| fta | mterry, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/flaky-adsl.png | 17:12 |
| mterry | fta, as a workaround, you could back up to a local folder and then get it to your ssh server somehow | 17:13 |
| fta | not sure i have enough disk space to do that :P | 17:14 |
| ricotz | seb128, you might be interested in this -- http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=ibus -- http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/i/ibus/ | 17:16 |
| seb128 | ricotz, thanks, I will wait for it to land in Debian, I'm just doing merges for now and we don't really need ibus on gtk3 yet | 17:17 |
| seb128 | having things before debian always risk to have a divergance in the binaries naming | 17:18 |
| ricotz | seb128, no problem, just wanted to point you there since this guy is member of the gnome3-team and uploaded it the ppa | 17:18 |
| seb128 | ok; thanks | 17:19 |
| ricotz | the packaging in the ppa is different though | 17:19 |
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| rickspencer3 | *sigh* | 17:28 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, hey | 17:28 |
| rickspencer3 | I just updated, and now gwibber is taking up one of my CPU cores, and firefox the other one :/ | 17:28 |
| didrocks | hey rickspencer3 | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | hiya didrocks | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | hi seb128 | 17:31 |
| chrisccoulson | hi rickspencer3 | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | hi chrisccoulson | 17:32 |
| chrisccoulson | how are you? | 17:33 |
| rickspencer3 | chrisccoulson, I am doing well, how about yourself? | 17:33 |
| rickspencer3 | firerfox seems to have finished doing whatever it was doing with my CPU core | 17:33 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, pretty good thanks. just getting ready to upgrade everyone to firefox 5 ;) | 17:33 |
| rickspencer3 | gwibber as well | 17:33 |
| rickspencer3 | I have my netbook back!! | 17:33 |
| pitti | seb128: beta target> oneiric-beta-1 is not a valid milestone, but the spec is already targetted to ubuntu-11.10-beta-1, so the default target for WIs is that already | 17:34 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, the codenames don't work this cycle? ok, makes sense, thanks | 17:35 |
| pitti | seb128: they never did | 17:35 |
| pitti | seb128: it's codename-alpha, but ubuntu-releasenumber-beta* | 17:35 |
| seb128 | oh right | 17:35 |
| chrisccoulson | that's caught me out before ;) | 17:35 |
| seb128 | I got confused | 17:35 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, hey, so you stopped pretending today is an holiday and went back to work? ;-) | 17:36 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - lol. yeah :) | 17:36 |
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| pitti | hm, none of my uploads to Debian today actually hit the archive, or is visible on ftp-master, or sent me any kind of mail | 17:40 |
| pitti | wonder what's wrong | 17:40 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's not only you at least but not sure what's going on there | 17:41 |
| bryce | debian upgraded alioth this weekend, could be fallout from that? | 17:50 |
| seb128 | bryce, it should not, alioth is a different infrastructure from the archive | 17:52 |
| pitti | and it's mostly back; svn committing works again, just websvn is still gone | 17:53 |
| Laney | pitti: dak broke | 18:07 |
| Laney | 23/05 11:18:43 <adsb> :-( looks like show-new died again without releasing unchecked.lock | 18:08 |
| pitti | Laney: jcristau also confirmed, thanks | 18:13 |
| Laney | ah ok | 18:13 |
| Laney | i idle in #debian-ftp for such news | 18:13 |
| hv | will there be an oneiric release/mile-stone/alpha/etc. with gtk3/gnome3 stuff soon? | 18:18 |
| didrocks | hv: the 2nd of June, as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | 18:19 |
| dobey | hv: depends on what you mean by "stuff" i guess; much is already in, so i guess alpha1 will have it | 18:19 |
| hv | dobey: well, I know I shouldn't be using oneiric, yet, but still... many things feel broken (probably a combination of my fault and unreleased ongoing packages). I was merely trying to see if I can/should live on the cutting edge a bit longer. | 18:22 |
| dobey | hv: well, stuff is broken. but that's what happens when you end up switching everything to an api incompatibile toolkit i guess :) | 18:24 |
| hv | sure, otherwise it wouldn't be fun ;-) | 18:24 |
| micahg | if anyone has a moment, bug 786417 could use sponsoring to unbreak natty->oneiric upgrades | 18:24 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 786417 in gnome-control-center "package gnome-control-center-data (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/gnome-control-center/keybindings/50-accessibility.xml', which is also in package gnome-settings-daemon 2.32.1-0ubuntu13.1" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/786417 | 18:24 |
| hv | micahg: but gnome-settings-daemon 3.0.1 is in, right? | 18:27 |
| hv | oops, I spoke too soon | 18:27 |
| hv | just to be sure, are theming, appmenu, and nautilus as desktop broken at the moment? | 18:31 |
| hv | or just something's wrong with my setup? | 18:33 |
| dobey | hv: theming and nautilus are definitely broken for me | 18:49 |
| dobey | ze background is a gl buffer blur | 18:50 |
| robbiew | whew...Oneiric is rrrrrough right now | 18:53 |
| robbiew | lol | 18:53 |
| stgraber | robbiew: believe me, it was a lot worse a few days ago ;) | 19:06 |
| didrocks | why people are complaining on #ubuntu-desktop. Not our fault :p | 19:07 |
| didrocks | (or maybe a little ;)) | 19:07 |
| stgraber | I'm not complaining ;) It works "fine" here (as long as I make sure I never close my session) | 19:09 |
| didrocks | stgraber: more trouble tomorrow, I'm remerging gnome-session and you don't want to look at the diff :) | 19:09 |
| stgraber | ouch | 19:10 |
| didrocks | ok, time for dinner, see you tomorrow! | 19:10 |
| robbiew | didrocks: heh...not complaining, just warning those who might be adventurous ;) | 19:11 |
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| === MacSlow|break is now known as MacSlow | ||
| mterry | pitti, can you do me a favor and add ~jklein to the canonical contributor agreement group? He signed it for the netbook-launcher-efl project | 19:59 |
| dobey | hrmm, java seems pretty broken on O | 21:09 |
| JFo | s/on O// | 21:10 |
| JFo | ;) | 21:10 |
| dobey | JFo: well yes, but the packages won't even configure on O | 21:10 |
| JFo | I see | 21:11 |
| dobey | hrmm, and can't seem to install python-qt4 either | 21:12 |
| dobey | ah got java "fixed" | 21:16 |
| dobey | the postinst stuff was needing /usr/lib/libnss3.so, but it seems to have been moved to /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ or whatever | 21:16 |
| dobey | symlink made the configure work | 21:16 |
| micahg | dobey: there's a better workaround in the LP bug for it, that one was fixed in oneiric, but I'm hitting another oe | 21:24 |
| dobey | micahg: fixed when? | 21:26 |
| micahg | dobey: last week | 21:27 |
| micahg | bug 779174 | 21:27 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 779174 in openjdk-6 "package ca-certificates-java 20110426 failed to install/upgrade: fix path to libnss3 for multiarch" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/779174 | 21:27 |
| dobey | micahg: then it's not fixed, because i only upgraded to O on this machine on friday, and there was no update for ca-certificates-java today | 21:28 |
| micahg | dobey: the update was for openjdk | 21:28 |
| dobey | micahg: how does that work if it depends on ca-certificates-java being configured before it can be installed? but either way, none of the updates as of today fixed it; i had to make the symlink to fix it | 21:29 |
| micahg | dobey: well, it's not affecting people upgrading anymore at least, you can ask doko if he wants to do a fix for people on oneiric already | 21:31 |
| dobey | well i'll add a comment on the bug | 21:33 |
| dobey | but even now that i got past that, i can't seem to install python-qt4 :( | 21:33 |
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| chmrr | cyphermox: broder suggested that I mention my networkmanager pony to you. Specifically, I understand there's a plan for per-SSID/BSSID firewall and proxy settings for 11.10 -- I'd love it if there were also a dropdown for "use this VPN when on this SSID" in there | 21:53 |
| dobey | huh, i wonder what broke logilab-common, since the version in the archive seems to fail unit tests here when i try to debuild it | 22:02 |
| JackyAlcine | How come nvidia-current isn't installed in Ubuntu by default? | 22:47 |
| charlie-tca | Ubuntu does not install any non-free software by default. Nvidia-current uses a proprietary driver | 22:51 |
| charlie-tca | Until intel and ati made their drivers open-source, we did not install them either | 22:52 |
| JackyAlcine | Hmm, so how is this going to be addressed in 11.10? Currently Unity uses Compiz (correct me if I'm wrong) and that needs (on some systems, nvidia-current). | 22:52 |
| JackyAlcine | Can there be a utility that asks the user if they'd like to install it? It'd save lives. | 22:52 |
| broder | there *is* such a utility | 22:52 |
| broder | and it runs at startup if there are any such drivers available | 22:53 |
| broder | it shows up as a little picture of a PCI board in the panel | 22:53 |
| micahg | it's called jockey :) | 22:53 |
| broder | that being said, the open-source nvidia drivers (nouveau) are also getting better, and as i understand it we're planning to try turning on their 3D support by default this cycle | 22:54 |
| JackyAlcine | broder and micahg: but even before you get to that; if you attempt to run Unity on the desktop, it'd fail and log you out. | 22:57 |
| charlie-tca | We should also have the fallback to 2d, not requiring the nvidia-current driver | 22:58 |
| JackyAlcine | charlie-tca, +1 | 22:58 |
| bcurtiswx | idk if it's more appropriate to ask in here or not, since desktop team maintains this package. I was asked to rebase seahorse, and I went ahead and did so, but since this is a new process I'm learning I am wondering if someone could look it over for me and let me know what i did wrong and how to correct it | 23:01 |
| bcurtiswx | https://code.launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx/ubuntu/oneiric/seahorse/3.0.0-1ubuntu1 | 23:01 |
| bcurtiswx | it built fine | 23:02 |
| broder | JackyAlcine: in 11.10 we *will* fall back to unity-2d if 3d support isn't there | 23:06 |
| broder | and even right now it shouldn't fail and log you out. it'll fail and drop you into gnome classic | 23:06 |
| JackyAlcine | Hmm. Well, if I can reproduce the occasion in a VM, I'll try to produce a bug report, broder | 23:08 |
| fta | mterry, d-d doesn't seem to do anything (ssh). no error, no nothing. i see a progress bar in the unity badge, stuck at 0% forever | 23:30 |
| lifeless | how do you re-hotplug a built in pointer (my touchpad) | 23:38 |
| Omega | broder: I was just about to say this, we do currently fall back. | 23:40 |
| mterry | fta, odd. file a bug? the bug form tells you how to get logs | 23:42 |
| fta | mterry, i just selected 1 dir, to test. when i click on backup now, i briefly see something, then nada, it sits there forever | 23:47 |
| mterry | fta, and you click on the launcher icon and it just says "preparing"? | 23:47 |
| fta | mterry, nope, it wobbles for a while, but nothing happens | 23:48 |
| mterry | fta, oh! you click the launcher icon and no window appears? that's very odd | 23:48 |
| fta | mterry, oneiric, in case it matters | 23:49 |
| mterry | fta, oh, maybe. that's a bit more cutting edge... I'll have to test again | 23:50 |
| RAOF | lifeless: How have you un-hotblugged it? :). You can probably get udevadm to twiddle the magical bits, though. | 23:55 |
| RAOF | lifeless: From the man page, I'd guess that “udevadm test $STUFF” would get you a udev event so that X re-hotplugs your touchpad. For sufficient values of STUFF. | 23:56 |
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