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| * skaet waves | 15:57 | |
| bjf | o/ | 15:57 |
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| * charlie-tca waves | 15:58 | |
| skaet | hi bjf, charlie-tca | 15:58 |
| charlie-tca | Good morning, skaet | 15:58 |
| skaet | looks like its about that time | 16:00 |
| skaet | not sure if we have quorum or not | 16:00 |
| hggdh | morning all | 16:00 |
| skaet | morning hggdh :) | 16:01 |
| skaet | #startmeeting | 16:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is skaet. | 16:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:01 |
| skaet | SRU/LTS bi-weekly synch meeting. | 16:01 |
| skaet | Reminder, please follow the convention of using ".." on a separate line when you've finished typing. Also, If someone wants to comment on the last point, please "o/", so we know to wait. | 16:01 |
| brendand | morning everyone | 16:01 |
| skaet | Karmic Koala (9.10) final announce is pending last kernel being published. | 16:02 |
| skaet | Hardy Heron Desktop (8.04) is waiting for signal as well. | 16:02 |
| skaet | Dapper Drake (6.06) Server will end of life in June 2011. | 16:02 |
| skaet | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases | 16:02 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases | 16:02 |
| skaet | 10.04.3 - July 14-> July 21 - moving it out a week to balance better around Alpha 2. | 16:02 |
| skaet | .. | 16:03 |
| skaet | bjf, sconklin when will the last kernel's be ready for publishing for Karmic and Hardy? | 16:03 |
| sconklin | As soon as they are tested and cert and qa and the archive admins sign off. The stable kernel team is finished with them | 16:04 |
| skaet | sconklin, thanks. | 16:04 |
| bjf | skaet, as per the email thread on this, this is not the last hardy kernel | 16:05 |
| skaet | bjf, ok, will go back through my inbox carefully, catching up right now after a week off. | 16:05 |
| skaet | [TOPIC] Kernel SRU status - sconklin, bjf | 16:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Kernel SRU status - sconklin, bjf | 16:06 |
| sconklin | pretty much already been covered. everything is done for the last cycle | 16:06 |
| sconklin | We're about to start another one. | 16:06 |
| sconklin | The dates we're working toward are in the canonical kernel team calendar. When the master calender has dates, we'll work to them | 16:07 |
| sconklin | sorry, ubuntu kernel calendar | 16:08 |
| sconklin | .. | 16:09 |
| brendand | o/ | 16:09 |
| skaet | brendand, go ahead | 16:09 |
| brendand | does this commence the new 3 week cadence? | 16:10 |
| sconklin | yes | 16:10 |
| brendand | and is the new bug process going to be used? | 16:10 |
| sconklin | "new bug process" == what? | 16:10 |
| * JFo is curious | 16:10 | |
| sconklin | oh, you mean workflow tools | 16:11 |
| sconklin | yes | 16:11 |
| brendand | sorry, maybe wrong words. i mean the new SRU workflow | 16:11 |
| sconklin | yes. | 16:11 |
| brendand | and lastly, where is the ubuntu kernel calendar, for future reference? | 16:11 |
| sconklin | looking for the url | 16:12 |
| bjf | i'll find it | 16:12 |
| skaet | sconklin, any concerns about 10.04.3 moving out a week? | 16:13 |
| sconklin | skaet: first I heard about it. Is it in a calendar? probably not a problem but I didn't know we had a master schedule for the next cycle yet | 16:14 |
| skaet | sconklin, will be getting the master calendar up this week. Just wanted to check with SRU kernel team before putting it up. | 16:15 |
| skaet | and let others here following this have a chance to flag issues too ;) | 16:15 |
| sconklin | I didn't know where it was scheduled originally even, so don;t know whether a week will make a difference | 16:15 |
| skaet | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | 16:16 |
| sconklin | but I doubt it will be a problem | 16:16 |
| bjf | brendand, skaet, external url for the ubuntu kernel calendar: https://www.google.com/calendar/hosted/canonical.com/embed?src=50d02kfdekgcjdcpc970hh83f0@group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/Los_Angeles&gsessionid=cp7W8N-DOwo48j_37lbwjg | 16:16 |
| skaet | thanks bjf | 16:16 |
| skaet | any other questions for the Kernel team? | 16:16 |
| brendand | bjf - thanks | 16:16 |
| skaet | [TOPIC] HW certification - ara | 16:17 |
| MootBot | New Topic: HW certification - ara | 16:17 |
| ara | o/ | 16:17 |
| ara | brendand will be presenting for the HW certification team from this meeting on | 16:17 |
| ara | brendand, ? | 16:17 |
| brendand | == Hardware Certification SRU Update == | 16:17 |
| brendand | Certification testing completed for Lucid with 90/105 systems and tracking bug updated. Missing systems are due to lab issues. | 16:17 |
| brendand | http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/sru-testing/current/lucid-proposed.html | 16:17 |
| brendand | Maverick testing in progress. 74/119 systems tested. No regressions found so far. | 16:17 |
| brendand | http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/sru-testing/current/maverick-proposed.html | 16:17 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/sru-testing/current/lucid-proposed.html | 16:17 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/sru-testing/current/maverick-proposed.html | 16:17 |
| brendand | Natty testing in progress. 51/90 systems tested. No regressions found so far. | 16:17 |
| brendand | http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/sru-testing/current/natty-proposed.html | 16:17 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/sru-testing/current/natty-proposed.html | 16:17 |
| brendand | ... | 16:18 |
| skaet | welcome brendand :) | 16:18 |
| skaet | what is the outlook on the final testing of Karmic and Hardy kernels? | 16:19 |
| brendand | skaet - we aren't testing Karmic or Hardy | 16:19 |
| skaet | brendand, we're at a bit of an impass then. | 16:20 |
| bjf | o/ | 16:20 |
| skaet | final kernels have been published, and waiting for cert and qa to weigh in so we can announce EOL. | 16:20 |
| skaet | bjf go ahead | 16:20 |
| sconklin | o/ | 16:21 |
| bjf | i think we need someone from the QA team, but I think they were going to test this week | 16:21 |
| sconklin | brad first | 16:21 |
| ara | o/ | 16:21 |
| ara | :) | 16:21 |
| bjf | .. | 16:21 |
| sconklin | two things. | 16:21 |
| skaet | jibel, hggdh, ^^ ?? | 16:21 |
| skaet | go ahead sconklin | 16:21 |
| sconklin | First, slipping .3 a week actually lines up nicely with our schedule | 16:21 |
| sconklin | second, this is not a final Lucid kernel. We need to stop writing that | 16:22 |
| sconklin | sorry, Hardy | 16:22 |
| sconklin | There is no final desktop kernel | 16:22 |
| sconklin | we continue to produce kernels until server goes out of support | 16:23 |
| sconklin | .. | 16:23 |
| skaet | sconklin, you had me worried about the lucid ;) noted about hardy- I'll be a bit more careful. | 16:23 |
| sconklin | lucid's time will come ;-) | 16:23 |
| skaet | ara, go ahead | 16:24 |
| ara | thanks | 16:24 |
| ara | in the hw cert team we are never testing karmic or hardy. so you guys should only wait on QA for those two | 16:24 |
| ara | .. | 16:25 |
| skaet | hmm... | 16:25 |
| skaet | I'm going to need to go do some homework then. | 16:26 |
| skaet | will follow up on email list if warranted. | 16:26 |
| skaet | anyone around from QA? | 16:26 |
| hggdh | yes | 16:27 |
| hggdh | skaet: ^ | 16:27 |
| skaet | :) | 16:27 |
| hggdh | we will get it done | 16:28 |
| skaet | hggdh, cool. you ready to give a status today, or will jibel be doing it? | 16:28 |
| hggdh | skaet: I am not prepared for it, I would rather have jibel doing it (if you do not mind) | 16:29 |
| skaet | no worries. | 16:29 |
| skaet | any other questions for brendand ? | 16:29 |
| skaet | [TOPIC] QA status - jibel | 16:29 |
| MootBot | New Topic: QA status - jibel | 16:29 |
| * skaet looks around for jibel? | 16:30 | |
| skaet | [TOPIC] OEM priorities - vanhoof | 16:30 |
| MootBot | New Topic: OEM priorities - vanhoof | 16:30 |
| vanhoof | skaet: nothing pressing for the next cycle | 16:31 |
| skaet | thanks vanhoof. | 16:31 |
| skaet | is martin s. around? | 16:31 |
| skaet | ok, | 16:32 |
| skaet | pitti has a conflict - but no red flags from him. | 16:32 |
| skaet | support has flagged two bugs to the individual teams | 16:32 |
| skaet | TOPIC] New business, last chance for general questions? - all | 16:33 |
| skaet | [TOPIC] New business, etc... | 16:33 |
| MootBot | New Topic: New business, etc... | 16:33 |
| hggdh | skaet: for the record, hardy kernel was approved by QA last week | 16:34 |
| skaet | thanks hggdh, appreciate the update. :) | 16:34 |
| * skaet looks around | 16:34 | |
| hggdh | and we will start with Maverick this week (oldest pending kernel) | 16:34 |
| * hggdh is done now ;-) | 16:35 | |
| skaet | hggdh, could you look at Karmic so we can formally EOL it? | 16:35 |
| hggdh | skaet: certainly | 16:35 |
| skaet | thanks! | 16:35 |
| skaet | #endmeeting | 16:35 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:35. | 16:35 |
| ara | thanks skaet | 16:36 |
| skaet | thanks sconklin, bjf, ara, brendand, hggdh | 16:36 |
| brendand | thanks skaet | 16:36 |
| hggdh | thank you, skaet | 16:36 |
| hggdh | skaet: I do not see any karmic kernel in http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/reports/sru-report.html | 16:37 |
| skaet | hggdh, lets take this up with sconklin and bjf in the #ubuntu-kernel channel. | 16:39 |
| hggdh | skaet: roger wilco | 16:40 |
| skaet | :) | 16:40 |
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| jdstrand | o/ | 18:01 |
| jjohansen | \o | 18:02 |
| jdstrand | shall we get started? | 18:02 |
| micahg | o/ | 18:03 |
| kees | \o | 18:03 |
| sbeattie | o/ | 18:03 |
| jdstrand | hi everyone! :) | 18:03 |
| jdstrand | #startmeeting | 18:03 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 12:03. The chair is jdstrand. | 18:03 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 18:03 |
| jdstrand | The meeting agenda can be found at: | 18:03 |
| jdstrand | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting | 18:03 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting | 18:03 |
| jdstrand | [TOPIC] Review of any previous action items | 18:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review of any previous action items | 18:03 |
| jdstrand | blueprints should be (mostly) together now and our release status page up to date: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric | 18:03 |
| jdstrand | our blueprints for this release of course fell out of our UDS discussions | 18:04 |
| kees | oh good, I see the workitem tracker has been reset | 18:04 |
| jdstrand | kees: yes! I had a feeling it would happen today :) | 18:04 |
| jdstrand | I think kees and I need to still do some light review, but by and large the work items should be all set | 18:04 |
| jdstrand | I don't think there is a lot to spec out, beyond dbus/apparmor | 18:05 |
| jdstrand | [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report | 18:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly stand-up report | 18:05 |
| jdstrand | I'll go first | 18:05 |
| jdstrand | I'm in the happy place this week (yea) | 18:05 |
| jdstrand | I have a dbus-glib update I am getting back into. some my testing for that will help me define the test cases for the dbus/apparmor bp, which I hope to start looking at again this week. depending on what pops up, it is at least theoretically possible for me to pick up another update | 18:06 |
| jdstrand | other than a few administrative things that don't I don't need to waste time here with, I think that is it from me | 18:07 |
| jdstrand | kees: you're up | 18:07 |
| kees | okay, I'm on triage. I've at least got exim4 to do, and the hardy kernel announcement | 18:07 |
| kees | after that, I'm trying to grind out all the graph data work items, since those should fall quickly if I can just get u-c-t to behave. | 18:08 |
| jdstrand | \o/ | 18:08 |
| kees | I've got some oneiric kernel work to do too (nx-emu rebase) | 18:08 |
| * jdstrand hugs kees | 18:08 | |
| kees | :) | 18:08 |
| * kees hugs jdstrand | 18:08 | |
| kees | I'll probably have some MIR work sprinkled around too. we'll see. :) | 18:09 |
| kees | that's it from me. mdeslaur is up. | 18:09 |
| jdstrand | mdeslaur: is on holiday today | 18:09 |
| jdstrand | s/:/ | 18:09 |
| jdstrand | s:// | 18:09 |
| jdstrand | hah | 18:09 |
| jdstrand | sbeattie: you're up. I can't get my regex right | 18:09 |
| kees | dur | 18:09 |
| kees | heh | 18:09 |
| * sbeattie waits for the regexs to finish. | 18:10 | |
| jdstrand | s/:// | 18:10 |
| jdstrand | :P | 18:10 |
| sbeattie | I'm on community this week, after triaging last week. | 18:10 |
| sbeattie | I have an apr update in the pipe, though I'm now trying to track down why the lucid arm build failed in a testcase. | 18:10 |
| sbeattie | (hooray for the vagaries of chroot builds) | 18:11 |
| sbeattie | after that, I want to start poking at my apparmor work items for this cycle. | 18:12 |
| sbeattie | I also have some post uds administrivia to complete. | 18:12 |
| jdstrand | interesting. I would guess that if it was armel, it wouldn't be chroot specific, but I've not looked at it at all | 18:12 |
| jdstrand | (just armel that is) | 18:12 |
| * jdstrand also has post uds administrivia | 18:13 | |
| sbeattie | jdstrand: the testcase that failed had to do with mutexs, so I'm suspecting that its a difference between kernels | 18:13 |
| jdstrand | ah | 18:13 |
| jdstrand | fun | 18:13 |
| sbeattie | yeah. and by yeah, I mean no. | 18:14 |
| sbeattie | I think that's it for me. | 18:14 |
| jdstrand | hehe | 18:14 |
| jdstrand | micahg: you're up! | 18:14 |
| micahg | so, I have that thunderbird regression with the empty menubar to publish today | 18:14 |
| micahg | mozilla has announced some of there plans for release schedules | 18:15 |
| micahg | 3.5 is EOL (doesn't afffect us, just seamonkey will need to go to 2.1.x) | 18:15 |
| micahg | 3.6 will have updates for the moment | 18:15 |
| micahg | 4's security update will be 5, so we'll have to upgrade natty on june 21 | 18:15 |
| nxvl | are we still talking about TB? | 18:16 |
| micahg | nxvl: no, sorry, Firefox | 18:16 |
| nxvl | i assumed :D | 18:16 |
| micahg | Thunderbird will stay on 3.1.x for the moment | 18:16 |
| micahg | natty will be our test migration case | 18:16 |
| micahg | I'll be drafting a page to track what we need to do before the upgrade | 18:17 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson has done some awesome work to make these transitions smoother WRT language updates | 18:17 |
| micahg | we'll review at the rally how the natty upgrade went and plan the other migrations (firefox for lucid/maverick and thunderbird in stable) | 18:18 |
| micahg | so, after drafting the initial plan, I want to try to get the pending webkit updates out | 18:19 |
| micahg | and I'm expecting a chromium update either this week or early next week | 18:20 |
| micahg | that's it for me | 18:20 |
| jdstrand | micahg: sounds great. thanks! | 18:20 |
| jdstrand | [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions | 18:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Miscellaneous and Questions | 18:20 |
| jdstrand | jjohansen: I'll probably be talking to you later in the week re libapparmor for dbus (all I need is the api call and it to return something based on the env, like we discussed) | 18:22 |
| jdstrand | other than that, I don't have anything to add | 18:22 |
| jjohansen | jdstrand: okay, sounds good | 18:22 |
| jdstrand | does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss? | 18:22 |
| jdstrand | going once... | 18:23 |
| jdstrand | going twice... | 18:24 |
| jdstrand | thanks everyone! :) | 18:24 |
| jdstrand | #endmeeting | 18:24 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 12:24. | 18:24 |
| kees | thanks jdstrand! | 18:24 |
| sbeattie | jdstrand: thanks! | 18:24 |
| micahg | thanks jdstrand | 18:25 |
| jdstrand | you bet! :) | 18:25 |
| Laney | DMB? | 20:01 |
| * stgraber waves | 20:01 | |
| * Laney rings a bell | 20:01 | |
| * bdrung_ waves. | 20:01 | |
| Laney | hiya | 20:01 |
| stgraber | I was just checking my calendar to make sure I didn't have timezone conversion issue again ;) | 20:02 |
| psusi | o/ | 20:02 |
| Laney | google now reminds me via SMS :-) | 20:02 |
| Laney | persia: maco cody-somerville | 20:02 |
| persia | o/ | 20:02 |
| maco | hello | 20:02 |
| stgraber | wow, we almost have everyone around this time! | 20:03 |
| Laney | who wants to chair? | 20:03 |
| Laney | (we should start deciding at the end of the meeting) | 20:04 |
| persia | #startmeeting | 20:04 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 14:04. The chair is persia. | 20:04 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 20:04 |
| persia | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda | 20:04 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda | 20:04 |
| persia | [TOPIC] Review progress of probationary period of Marco Rodrigues | 20:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review progress of probationary period of Marco Rodrigues | 20:05 |
| persia | cody-somerville, ? | 20:05 |
| Laney | don't think he is here, and this has been on the agenda for /months/ now | 20:05 |
| persia | We should have done it last time: he was there then. | 20:05 |
| persia | Right. | 20:06 |
| Laney | We're waiting for a report. | 20:06 |
| persia | [TOPIC] PerPackageUploader Application for John Rigby | 20:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: PerPackageUploader Application for John Rigby | 20:06 |
| persia | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnRigby/DeveloperApplication-LinaroLinuxAndUBoot | 20:06 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnRigby/DeveloperApplication-LinaroLinuxAndUBoot | 20:06 |
| persia | jcrigby, How are you today? | 20:06 |
| jcrigby | yes for once:) | 20:06 |
| ScottK | On the kmos issue, I think it's a bit unfair to leave it there where people who are interested in the topic never know when it's going to come up. | 20:06 |
| ScottK | I wish you all would pick a meeting when you're going to deal with it and get it over with. | 20:07 |
| Laney | We should take it to mail and bring it back when it's ready. | 20:07 |
| Laney | I agree | 20:07 |
| cody-somerville | Apologies about the kmos situation. +1 for Laney and ScottK's suggestion. | 20:07 |
| persia | [AGREED] Remove Review progress of probationary period of Marco Rodrigues from the agenda until there is planned discussion | 20:07 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: Remove Review progress of probationary period of Marco Rodrigues from the agenda until there is planned discussion | 20:07 |
| persia | jcrigby, Thanks for coming today. | 20:07 |
| jcrigby | glad to be here | 20:09 |
| persia | jcrigby, Are you involved in Ubuntu in any way beyond the packages you mention? | 20:10 |
| jcrigby | not really no | 20:10 |
| hrw | hi | 20:10 |
| hrw | do we have quorum today? | 20:10 |
| bdrung_ | yes | 20:10 |
| maco | yes | 20:11 |
| persia | jcrigby, What do you find most difficult about packaging best practices? | 20:11 |
| jcrigby | remembering the incantations | 20:11 |
| Laney | jcrigby: (after persia's question[s]) Can you briefly explain the major freezes in the Ubuntu development cycle and how they affect your packages? | 20:12 |
| jcrigby | Laney, I am obviously unprepared for that one | 20:12 |
| bdrung_ | jcrigby: why do we have special linaro packages in addition to the normal package (e.g. u-boot and u-boot-linaro)? | 20:12 |
| jcrigby | Linaro is on its own schedule | 20:12 |
| maco | oh, good to know | 20:13 |
| jcrigby | bdrung_, actually u-boot-linaro is the only u-boot now days | 20:13 |
| jcrigby | ubuntu uses u-boot-linaro | 20:13 |
| Laney | Are these packages not subject to the Ubuntu release schedule? | 20:13 |
| hrw | maco: we (Linaro) release ~month after Ubuntu | 20:13 |
| jcrigby | Laney, for this oneiric Linaro is releasing monthly | 20:14 |
| hrw | maco: but recently we switched most of teams to monthly releases | 20:14 |
| bdrung_ | jcrigby: what does u-boot-linaro contain in comparison to upstream u-boot? | 20:14 |
| jcrigby | Laney, and for releases after ff we will release via a ppa to avoid sru issues | 20:14 |
| persia | I believe the packages *should* be subject to the release schedule, as there are images that depend upon them shipped as part of the release. | 20:14 |
| maco | jcrigby: was that ff = feature freeze or final freeze? | 20:15 |
| jcrigby | maco final | 20:15 |
| jcrigby | we can do ffe's for feature freeze | 20:15 |
| persia | jcrigby, What considerations do you make when requesting an FFe? | 20:16 |
| jcrigby | at that point I only allow bug fixes that are must haves for the release | 20:16 |
| jcrigby | no new "nice" features | 20:17 |
| persia | Do you maintain separate for-ubuntu and linaro-next trees for this? | 20:17 |
| * cody-somerville has to jet; will write e-mail to DMB when I get back. | 20:17 | |
| Laney | see you | 20:17 |
| jcrigby | persia, I keep -next git trees but those do not have packaging bits in them | 20:17 |
| jcrigby | persia, they are for board enablement folks | 20:18 |
| persia | That makes sense. | 20:18 |
| jcrigby | on the kernel side I actually do keep a work in progress (wip) tree that does have the packaging in it | 20:19 |
| jcrigby | that is for people that are willing to build there own packaged kernel | 20:19 |
| jcrigby | and I have tried to help people that want to do that but lack the knowledge | 20:19 |
| jcrigby | I have also helped the linaro landing teams with their packagig | 20:20 |
| jcrigby | since they are usually enablement people not packaging people | 20:20 |
| persia | Anyone else with more questions? | 20:21 |
| Laney | nope | 20:21 |
| stgraber | nope | 20:21 |
| maco | nope | 20:21 |
| geser | nope | 20:22 |
| bdrung_ | nope | 20:22 |
| persia | [VOTE] Approve John Rigby (jcrigby) for PerPackage Upload rights to u-boot-linaro and linux-linaro-* | 20:22 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Approve John Rigby (jcrigby) for PerPackage Upload rights to u-boot-linaro and linux-linaro-*. | 20:22 |
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| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 20:22 |
| Laney | +0 | 20:23 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from Laney. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0 | 20:23 |
| stgraber | +0 | 20:23 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from stgraber. 0 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 0 | 20:23 |
| geser | +1 | 20:25 |
| MootBot | +1 received from geser. 1 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 20:25 |
| maco | +1 given slangasek's testimonial and an understanding of FF, i'm ok with him | 20:25 |
| MootBot | +1 received from maco. 2 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 20:25 |
| bdrung_ | +1 | 20:25 |
| MootBot | +1 received from bdrung_. 3 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 20:25 |
| persia | +1 | 20:25 |
| MootBot | +1 received from persia. 4 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 20:25 |
| persia | [ENDVOTE] | 20:25 |
| MootBot | Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 2 abstained. Total: 4 | 20:25 |
| persia | jcrigby, Congratulations. | 20:26 |
| stgraber | jcrigby: congrats! | 20:26 |
| jcrigby | thanks | 20:26 |
| Laney | :-) | 20:26 |
| persia | [TOPIC] Contributing Developer application for Phillip Susi | 20:27 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Contributing Developer application for Phillip Susi | 20:27 |
| persia | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhillipSusi/DeveloperApplication | 20:27 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhillipSusi/DeveloperApplication | 20:27 |
| persia | psusi, Thanks for coming today. | 20:27 |
| persia | Or,maybe next time. | 20:29 |
| maco | psusi: care to introduce? | 20:29 |
| maco | brad figg i guess? | 20:30 |
| persia | [TOPIC] PerPackage Uploader application for Brad Figg | 20:31 |
| MootBot | New Topic: PerPackage Uploader application for Brad Figg | 20:31 |
| persia | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BradFigg/DeveloperApplication | 20:31 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BradFigg/DeveloperApplication | 20:31 |
| JFo | yay bjf! | 20:31 |
| persia | bjf, Thanks for coming today | 20:31 |
| bjf | np | 20:31 |
| Laney | Isn't there a kernel package set? | 20:32 |
| stgraber | there's | 20:32 |
| persia | You ask for upload rights to the linux-* packages. Do you want that, or did you mean to apply to be part of the kernel uploaders team? | 20:32 |
| maco | i think this was clarified on email as "kernel package set" | 20:32 |
| persia | I thought so, just wanted to be clear. | 20:33 |
| stgraber | http://paste.ubuntu.com/612008/ | 20:33 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://paste.ubuntu.com/612008/ | 20:33 |
| persia | [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel-uploaders | 20:33 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel-uploaders | 20:33 |
| bjf | I'm Brad Figg. I've been an Ubuntu contributor since joining Canonical two years ago. I am a member of the Kernel Team. | 20:33 |
| bjf | I've been a linux developer/user for many years. | 20:33 |
| maco | "I was just trying to be clear what I was asking for, if there is a kernel package set then that is what I'm going for." <-- what brad said when Laney asked | 20:33 |
| bjf | I am currently working on the stable kernel maintenance. I've been doing stable kernel maintenance for two dev cycles and am schedule to continue doing same for another two cycles. | 20:34 |
| bjf | I'm applying for upload rights for the linux kernel packages. | 20:34 |
| bjf | I'm proud of the stable work that I've done, we've made some significant changes to the | 20:34 |
| bjf | stable maintenance process. | 20:34 |
| bjf | ~ | 20:34 |
| bjf | i'm good at cut/paste if that is a requirement :-) | 20:34 |
| sconklin | fwiw I've been signing Brad's packages (sponsoring his uploads) for six months, and he's fully capable | 20:34 |
| Laney | Can you explain how a stable kernel update is typically QAd? | 20:35 |
| Laney | Also, does the kernel team work with Debian's at all? ;-) | 20:36 |
| bjf | laney, it's a multi-step process, are you familiar with the kernel cadence that we've gone to? | 20:36 |
| Laney | somewhat | 20:36 |
| * bdrung_ isn't. | 20:36 | |
| persia | Please share | 20:36 |
| bjf | laney, yes, we discuss things regularly with the debian kernel folks | 20:36 |
| bjf | persia, will do :-) | 20:36 |
| persia | (especially as ogasawara credits you with bringing order to it) | 20:37 |
| sconklin | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/StableReleaseCadence | 20:37 |
| bjf | currently, we are moving to a three week cadence | 20:37 |
| sconklin | excuse me pasting links | 20:37 |
| bjf | week 1, we prepare kernels and upload packages (upload to the kernel team ppa) | 20:37 |
| bjf | week 2, we require verification of LP bugs that have been fixed via the uploaded kernel | 20:38 |
| bjf | any bugs that fail verification or are not verified, the corresponding commits are reverted and new packages are uploaded | 20:38 |
| bjf | week 3, the QA and Certification teams take over, and run their tests. | 20:38 |
| Laney | when does the upload to -proposed happen? what kind of interaction is there with the Ubuntu SRU team? | 20:39 |
| maco | bjf: ever had any problems where the reverts after week 2 caused regressions, maybe due to side-effects/interactions between patches & disappearing patches? | 20:39 |
| bjf | the QA tests are composed of: qbench, tbench tiobench, security tests (crafted by the security team) and some ltp lite tests | 20:39 |
| Laney | (and regular SRU verification) | 20:40 |
| bjf | laney, generally we just ping them to pocket-copy, we are changing this as well to use an LP bug for workflow, maybe sconklin can post a url for that as well :-) | 20:40 |
| sconklin | looking | 20:41 |
| persia | bjf, pocket-copy to where? | 20:41 |
| bjf | maco, yes, same proceedure, we revert the commit, roll a new package and upload | 20:41 |
| bjf | persia, from our ppa to -proposed | 20:41 |
| bjf | maco, once the new package has been uploaded, qa and cert testing starts again | 20:41 |
| bjf | maco, this could go on for some time, however, it hasn't in the last two dev cycles | 20:42 |
| * Laney is done with questions | 20:42 | |
| bjf | laney, maco, bdrung_ persia the purpose of moving to this cadence is predictability | 20:42 |
| maco | bjf: thanks, thats the bit i was unsure about :) | 20:43 |
| bjf | it was very difficult in the past to be able to give some indication of when a patch was going to get out | 20:43 |
| * sconklin is unable to get launchpad qastaging to do anything other than time out | 20:43 | |
| sconklin | that's where our example bug is | 20:43 |
| bjf | as it is now, worst case (baring reversions) is 6 weeks from when a patch is accepted until it hits -updates | 20:43 |
| bdrung_ | bjf: some packagers feel that it's hard to get their changes into the kernel due to all the rules. are there plans to change that? | 20:44 |
| bjf | bdrung_, no changes to the rules, we are actually quite flexible (our opinion) and will discuss changes with anyone | 20:44 |
| bjf | bdrung_, however, stability is crucial | 20:45 |
| sconklin | here's one that doesn't have the team assignments made, but you can see how we track workflow tasks https://bugs.qastaging.launchpad.net/kernel-sru-workflow/verification-testing/+bug/718866 | 20:45 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 718866 in unity-2d "[panel] Indicator list is hardcoded" [Medium,Fix released] | 20:45 |
| bjf | sconklin, thanks | 20:45 |
| persia | bjf: In your application, you seem to have skipped one of my favourite bits: What single thing in Ubuntu do you think should most be improved? | 20:45 |
| bdrung_ | bjf: i was thinking about changes for the development version (currently oneiric). | 20:46 |
| bjf | persia, thinking about it | 20:46 |
| bjf | bdrung_, well, we certainly prefer that we get any changes from upstream or that the changes we take are heading upstream, we are not a test kernel for everyone's crack | 20:47 |
| bjf | bdrung_, the larger the community, the more conservative we need to be | 20:47 |
| bdrung_ | bjf: i can remember that i once want to push a fix from lirc into the kernel. it took me ages to do that. | 20:48 |
| bjf | bdrung_, we are already put out the most recent upstream kernel of any distro (i mean we track the upstream kernel the closest) | 20:48 |
| bjf | bdrung_, were your changes going upstream? | 20:48 |
| bdrung_ | bjf: it was a backported upstream patch | 20:49 |
| bjf | bdrung_, ok, i don't know the specifics, but that usually fits within our rules, it can depend on the complexity of the backport though | 20:49 |
| bdrung_ | i found it: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/0.8.6-0ubuntu4.1 | 20:50 |
| bjf | bdrung_, our rules are not much difference than those of upstream stable maint. | 20:50 |
| bdrung_ | the process for the kernel felt very bureaucratic | 20:50 |
| bjf | bdrung_, it can be, but again, stability and no-regressions are what we are striving for | 20:51 |
| sconklin | This is team policy and not Brad's. If upstream won't take it, it's very unlikely we will. | 20:52 |
| bjf | persia, i still don't really know how to answer your question, there are specific parts of the distro that i'd like to see changed/influenced (like the switch to unity) | 20:52 |
| maco | persia: that's the part i always want to skip too | 20:53 |
| bjf | persia, i also think UDS could be better in certain ways | 20:53 |
| persia | bjf, Well, I'd encourage you to think about it. We know we aren't perfect, but unless we can identify what is wrong, it's hard to improve. | 20:54 |
| bjf | persia, remember, i'm kind of an old fart, i like my desktop the way that it was, this new fangled stuff takes some getting used to :-) | 20:54 |
| persia | On a related note, what do you feel is your weakest skill in developing for Ubuntu? | 20:54 |
| bjf | and i'm resisting | 20:54 |
| bjf | my first thoughts would be in interaction with the community, but i've been told that i'm not as bad as i think | 20:55 |
| bdrung_ | bjf, sconklin: ok | 20:55 |
| bjf | to me, this is mostly a job and not my life | 20:56 |
| bdrung_ | bjf: re unity - all the gnome-panel lovers could unity and maintain gnome-panel. then a user can decide between unity, gnome3, and ubuntu classic (gnome-panel) | 20:57 |
| bjf | bdrung_, agreed | 20:58 |
| persia | geser, stgraber, any questions? | 20:58 |
| stgraber | nope | 20:58 |
| geser | nope | 20:59 |
| persia | [VOTE] Approve Brad Figg (bjf) as an Ubuntu Kernel Uploader | 20:59 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Approve Brad Figg (bjf) as an Ubuntu Kernel Uploader. | 20:59 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 20:59 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 20:59 |
| maco | +1 | 20:59 |
| MootBot | +1 received from maco. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 20:59 |
| Laney | +1 // Strong testimonials, obviously good skills in designing the new cadence | 20:59 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Laney. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 20:59 |
| persia | +1 | 20:59 |
| MootBot | +1 received from persia. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 20:59 |
| bdrung_ | +1 | 20:59 |
| MootBot | +1 received from bdrung_. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 20:59 |
| stgraber | +1 | 20:59 |
| MootBot | +1 received from stgraber. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 20:59 |
| geser | +1 | 21:00 |
| MootBot | +1 received from geser. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6 | 21:00 |
| persia | [ENDVOTE] | 21:00 |
| MootBot | Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6 | 21:00 |
| bdrung_ | can we extend this meeting one hour to reduce the backlog? | 21:00 |
| persia | bjf, Congratulations! | 21:00 |
| * persia can stay | 21:00 | |
| ogasawara | \o/, congrats bjf | 21:00 |
| bjf | thanks! | 21:00 |
| sconklin | \o/ | 21:00 |
| bdrung_ | congrats | 21:00 |
| stgraber | not sure I can stay for another full hour, but at least for another ~30 minutes | 21:00 |
| * hrw can appear at 30-40 minutes from now. have to go now | 21:00 | |
| sconklin | less work for me! | 21:00 |
| persia | We need one more to stay quorate. | 21:01 |
| maco | guess i can stick around a bit longer | 21:01 |
| Laney | I've got to be on the water in 30 minutes, I'm afraid | 21:01 |
| * hrw -> out for now | 21:01 | |
| persia | No worries. It's a one-hour meeting. Extension is purely voluntary :) | 21:02 |
| persia | [TOPIC] PerPackageUploader application for Rosen Diankov | 21:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: PerPackageUploader application for Rosen Diankov | 21:02 |
| persia | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RosenDiankov/DeveloperApplication | 21:02 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RosenDiankov/DeveloperApplication | 21:02 |
| * geser has time to process some more | 21:02 | |
| stgraber | anyone knows his IRC nickname ? can't find it on either the wiki page or on LP | 21:03 |
| persia | Neither I. | 21:03 |
| persia | Rosen, are you here? | 21:03 |
| persia | OK. Moving on. | 21:04 |
| persia | [TOPIC] Review of Bazaar Package Set | 21:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review of Bazaar Package Set | 21:05 |
| persia | poolie, jelmer, do you have time to discuss this? | 21:05 |
| psusi | shoot, I had to run home to meet the cable guy, did I miss it again? | 21:05 |
| persia | psusi, You did, but we extended, so you're next. | 21:05 |
| psusi | whew... | 21:06 |
| persia | Any DMB members have comments on the Bazaar Package set they want in minutes? | 21:06 |
| bdrung_ | psusi: one question to think about: What do you like least in Ubuntu? | 21:07 |
| persia | [TOPIC] Contributing Developer application for Ricardo Salveti | 21:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Contributing Developer application for Ricardo Salveti | 21:07 |
| persia | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RicardoSalveti/UniverseContributorApplication | 21:07 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RicardoSalveti/UniverseContributorApplication | 21:07 |
| geser | persia: is there much to discuss about the bzr package set besides what packages belong there? | 21:07 |
| bdrung_ | persia: a Bazaar package set sounds plausable | 21:07 |
| persia | Sorry. I was too fast. | 21:07 |
| persia | [TOPIC] Review of Bazaar Package Set | 21:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review of Bazaar Package Set | 21:08 |
| persia | geser, I don't think so, really. | 21:08 |
| persia | bdrung_, Do you suggest we should just do it, as we have two PPUs who have the same set? | 21:08 |
| stgraber | IIRC the DMB was the one asking for the set when reviewing jelmer's application. List looks good to me (quite similar to an "apt-cache search bzr" and matches rights we've already given to these applying for bzr upload rights) | 21:08 |
| maco | persia: i'm in favour of it | 21:08 |
| stgraber | +1 | 21:09 |
| persia | OK. | 21:09 |
| stgraber | they are quite likely to ask for the same packages to be added to their respective PPU lists, so it's best to create a package set for it | 21:09 |
| geser | +1 for a bzr package set based on the bzr ppu right from jelmer and poolie | 21:09 |
| persia | [VOTE] Create a Bazaar Package Set and migrate poolie and jelmer to membership in an associated group. | 21:09 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Create a Bazaar Package Set and migrate poolie and jelmer to membership in an associated group.. | 21:09 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 21:09 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 21:09 |
| stgraber | +1 | 21:09 |
| MootBot | +1 received from stgraber. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 21:09 |
| persia | +1 : makes our lives easier, really | 21:09 |
| MootBot | +1 received from persia. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 21:09 |
| geser | +1 | 21:09 |
| MootBot | +1 received from geser. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 21:09 |
| bdrung_ | +1 | 21:10 |
| MootBot | +1 received from bdrung_. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 21:10 |
| maco | +1 | 21:10 |
| MootBot | +1 received from maco. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 21:10 |
| persia | [ENDVOTE] | 21:10 |
| MootBot | Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5 | 21:10 |
| persia | That was easy :) | 21:10 |
| persia | [TOPIC] Contributing Developer application for Ricardo Salveti | 21:10 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Contributing Developer application for Ricardo Salveti | 21:10 |
| persia | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RicardoSalveti/UniverseContributorApplication | 21:11 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RicardoSalveti/UniverseContributorApplication | 21:11 |
| persia | rsalveti, Thanks for being here today | 21:11 |
| bdrung_ | this seems to be a good way. let the people get PPU right and create a set if two people have the same package in their list | 21:11 |
| persia | Indeed. | 21:11 |
| stgraber | yep | 21:11 |
| geser | persia: can you please add the bzr packages to the minutes? to have them documented somewhere easy to find again later | 21:12 |
| persia | geser, The list? Sure. | 21:12 |
| persia | Well, maybe not. We'll come back. | 21:12 |
| persia | [TOPIC] Contributing Developer application for Phillip Susi | 21:12 |
| geser | persia: or the wildcards (e.g. bzr-*) | 21:12 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Contributing Developer application for Phillip Susi | 21:12 |
| persia | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhillipSusi/DeveloperApplication | 21:13 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhillipSusi/DeveloperApplication | 21:13 |
| * hrw back in 3 | 21:13 | |
| maco | did psusi come back? | 21:13 |
| psusi | yes | 21:13 |
| persia | psusi, Glad you could make it (even a bit late). | 21:13 |
| stgraber | yeah! ;) | 21:13 |
| maco | oh hello | 21:13 |
| psusi | woohoo, finally ;) | 21:14 |
| persia | psusi, So, now that you've had some time to think, what do you like least in Ubuntu? | 21:14 |
| psusi | I've not really been able to come up with an answer to that really... I dislike bugs | 21:14 |
| persia | Do you think we could do a better job to squash bugs somehow? | 21:15 |
| psusi | other than more manpower? | 21:15 |
| bdrung_ | psusi: how to get more manpower into this area and how to use the manpower more efficiently | 21:16 |
| bdrung_ | ? | 21:16 |
| persia | If you think that's the solution, I'll ask how you think we can attract the necessary resources :) | 21:16 |
| persia | (if you have another solution, please share) | 21:16 |
| geser | psusi: picking up the question from your application page: did you think about maintaining e2defrag in Debian? | 21:17 |
| psusi | I think the system is pretty efficient | 21:17 |
| psusi | especially these days with UDS | 21:18 |
| bdrung_ | psusi: are you happy about the sponsoring? | 21:18 |
| psusi | err, UDD | 21:18 |
| psusi | yea... UDD sponsorship has become very smooth lately, especially with the patch pilot program | 21:18 |
| bdrung_ | great to hear that | 21:18 |
| maco | any parts of the bug triage/squash process that you think are particularly in need of change? | 21:18 |
| psusi | I'm not a debian user so that would make becoming a DD a bit tricky I think | 21:19 |
| maco | psusi: i'm not either, but i'm going through the DM process *duck* | 21:19 |
| bdrung_ | psusi: you don't have to be a debian user. you don't even need to be a DD for maintaining a package in debian. | 21:19 |
| maco | (DM is like PPU) | 21:20 |
| psusi | I may end up doing that eventually, but I figured I'd start with motu | 21:20 |
| bdrung_ | psusi: it's easier to start with DM if you really care about a specific package (especially if it's new) | 21:20 |
| persia | Anyone with further questions for psusi? | 21:22 |
| bdrung_ | no | 21:22 |
| psusi | actually I guess one thing that bothers me is bugs that sit around for years and grow stale and ignored | 21:22 |
| stgraber | persia: I'm ready to vote | 21:23 |
| persia | [VOTE] Approve Phillip Susi (psusi) as a Contributing Developer | 21:24 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Approve Phillip Susi (psusi) as a Contributing Developer. | 21:24 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 21:24 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 21:24 |
| bdrung_ | +1 | 21:24 |
| MootBot | +1 received from bdrung_. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 21:24 |
| maco | +1 | 21:24 |
| MootBot | +1 received from maco. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 21:24 |
| geser | +1 | 21:24 |
| MootBot | +1 received from geser. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 21:24 |
| persia | +1 : Your work goes well beyond the usual measurement of significant and sustained | 21:24 |
| MootBot | +1 received from persia. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 21:24 |
| stgraber | +1 | 21:24 |
| MootBot | +1 received from stgraber. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 21:24 |
| persia | [ENDVOTE] | 21:24 |
| MootBot | Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5 | 21:24 |
| persia | psusi, Congratulations ! | 21:24 |
| psusi | woohoo! finally ;) | 21:24 |
| stgraber | psusi: congrats! | 21:25 |
| bdrung_ | persia: especially sustained | 21:25 |
| persia | stgraber, You said you might have to go? | 21:25 |
| stgraber | how many more do we have ? | 21:25 |
| persia | bdrung_, Yeah. I remember psusi being around when I was still lurking. | 21:25 |
| persia | stgraber, 2 noshows and 2 outstanding. | 21:26 |
| hrw | /me ? | 21:26 |
| * bdrung_ is still here. | 21:26 | |
| stgraber | ok, I can still continue for a while | 21:26 |
| persia | [TOPIC] Contributing Developer Application for Marcin Juszkiewicz | 21:27 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Contributing Developer Application for Marcin Juszkiewicz | 21:27 |
| persia | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarcinJuszkiewicz/DeveloperApplication-PPU | 21:27 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarcinJuszkiewicz/DeveloperApplication-PPU | 21:27 |
| persia | hrw, Yes, you :) | 21:27 |
| hrw | persia: PPU finally | 21:27 |
| persia | [TOPIC] PerPackageUploader Application for Marcin Juszkiewicz | 21:28 |
| MootBot | New Topic: PerPackageUploader Application for Marcin Juszkiewicz | 21:28 |
| persia | Apologies: it's just after sunrise here. | 21:28 |
| hrw | no problem | 21:28 |
| hrw | I got universe contributor last time | 21:28 |
| hrw | I maintain cross toolchain for armel and armhf architectures | 21:28 |
| bdrung_ | hi hrw | 21:29 |
| hrw | armel is present in Debian and Ubuntu, armhf is on a way to Debian and also may be added into Ubuntu. At Linaro we want armhf to e present in both distributions | 21:29 |
| persia | I've seen a few complaints about our documentation in the past few days. Anyone up for trying to dredge through it and submit a new draft? | 21:29 |
| geser | what "flavour" of ARM is armhf? | 21:30 |
| persia | OK. I'll table that for later. | 21:30 |
| hrw | geser: armv7, hardfloat | 21:30 |
| hrw | geser: no neon by default due to tegra2 | 21:31 |
| ScottK | How runtime Neon detection working for Qt currently? | 21:31 |
| hrw | ScottK: have to admit that I lost track on this - spent most time in toolchain | 21:32 |
| ScottK | OK. | 21:32 |
| bdrung_ | hrw: the packages you request upload rights for doesn't seem to exist | 21:33 |
| hrw | bdrung_: armhf ones are same as armel ones - did not get yet uploaded | 21:34 |
| hrw | bdrung_: the only difference is s/armel/armhf/ in changelog and regenerataion of control file | 21:34 |
| * persia recommended this list to hrw in OOB discussions, as the other packages were expected to be uploaded fairly soon, and our board isn't so fast. | 21:34 | |
| bdrung_ | hrw: i fail to find the armel ones, e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.6-armel-cross | 21:34 |
| hrw | bdrung_: 4.6 was not in natty - I have version working with sid and oneiric | 21:35 |
| hrw | bdrung_: let me give git url | 21:35 |
| geser | hrw: are the *-armel-* and *-armhf-* different source packages? | 21:36 |
| * ScottK would like to recommend hrw for his photography skills as he took the Kubuntu group photo at UDS. ;-) | 21:36 | |
| hrw | http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/hrw/cross-toolchain-packaging.git;a=summary is linaro tree | 21:36 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/hrw/cross-toolchain-packaging.git;a=summary is linaro tree | 21:36 |
| hrw | geser: yes, they are separate but share 100% | 21:36 |
| geser | hrw: isn't it possible to build both from the same source package or is there any reason for the duplication? | 21:37 |
| hrw | geser: I am in a middle of creating one source for armel/armhf of each component and merging gcc-4.[456]-*-cros into one source or source package | 21:37 |
| hrw | geser: during uds-n we decided to have cross toolchain source per arch | 21:37 |
| hrw | geser: as Debian ones would do 11 arch builds and what if 9th fail after 30h of building? | 21:38 |
| maco | ouch | 21:38 |
| bdrung_ | build time is a strong argument for separate packages | 21:38 |
| hrw | in Ubuntu we handle 1 arch now (m,n) and now will have 2 (oneiric) | 21:39 |
| hrw | Debian can have more of them. | 21:39 |
| geser | hrw: Debian has 11 arm flavours? | 21:39 |
| bdrung_ | hrw: you are talking a lot about debian. will you try to upload the packages into debian first? | 21:39 |
| hrw | geser: no, but emdebian team wants to replace their semi-auto built packages with mine | 21:40 |
| hrw | bdrung_: once will get all patches landed in Debian yes | 21:40 |
| hrw | bdrung_: merging all required changes into ubuntu took me half of maverick cycle | 21:40 |
| hrw | bdrung_: my source packages works no changes under debian and ubuntu | 21:41 |
| hrw | I have check on 'lsb_release -d' to take care of details | 21:41 |
| hrw | also handle linaro toolchain backport ppa with same sources but thats a bit other story | 21:42 |
| bdrung_ | hrw: do you know dpkg-vendor? | 21:42 |
| hrw | bdrung_: no, but will check it | 21:42 |
| hrw | bdrung_: trick with lsb_release I took from gcc packaging | 21:42 |
| hrw | during maverick I did cleanup of gcc/binutils packaging which ended in few thousand of lines dropped | 21:43 |
| bdrung_ | it's the preferred way to check the vendor (instead of lsb_release). advantage: no additional build dependency | 21:43 |
| hrw | bdrung_: ok, gcc packaging has to work under dapper so maybe thats why | 21:44 |
| bdrung_ | hrw: yes, dpkg-vendor isn't that old | 21:44 |
| * micahg thought dpkg-dev was needed for dpkg-vendor | 21:45 | |
| hrw | yep. 2009 according to manpage | 21:45 |
| hrw | micahg: I already bdepend on dpkg-dev | 21:45 |
| hrw | micahg: and you are right - dpkg-vendor is dpkg-dev | 21:45 |
| bdrung_ | micahg: build-essential depends on dpkg-dev | 21:46 |
| bdrung_ | so you get it for free (on compile time) | 21:46 |
| tumbleweed | a versioned dependancy on it may be needed | 21:47 |
| hrw | dpkg-dev (>= 1.15.3.1) is what I need already | 21:47 |
| hrw | due to components needs (binutils, linux, gcc, eglibc) | 21:47 |
| persia | So, while it's interesting to discuss ways of aligning packages between distributions, are there more questions to prepare to vote on hrw's application? | 21:47 |
| hrw | ;) | 21:48 |
| micahg | bdrung_: ah, that's what it was, a higher versioned build-dep was necessary :() | 21:48 |
| hrw | dpkg-vendor is 1.15.1 | 21:48 |
| hrw | and I already need 1.15.3.1 so yes - good thing to switch to | 21:49 |
| * bdrung_ is ready to vote | 21:49 | |
| * geser too | 21:49 | |
| * stgraber too | 21:50 | |
| persia | [VOTE] Approve Marcin Juszkiewicz for PPU upload of armel-cross-toolchain-base gcc-4.4-armel-cross gcc-4.5-armel-cross gcc-defaults-armel-cross and recommend addition of armhf and 4.6 packages as they become available | 21:50 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Approve Marcin Juszkiewicz for PPU upload of armel-cross-toolchain-base gcc-4.4-armel-cross gcc-4.5-armel-cross gcc-defaults-armel-cross and recommend addition of armhf and 4.6 packages as they become available. | 21:50 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 21:50 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 21:50 |
| maco | +1 | 21:51 |
| MootBot | +1 received from maco. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 21:51 |
| geser | +1 | 21:51 |
| MootBot | +1 received from geser. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 21:51 |
| stgraber | +1 | 21:51 |
| MootBot | +1 received from stgraber. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 21:51 |
| bdrung_ | +1 | 21:51 |
| MootBot | +1 received from bdrung_. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 21:51 |
| persia | +1 : hrw is definitely the driving force behind these packages, and fixes many other things in his quest to make them better | 21:51 |
| MootBot | +1 received from persia. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 21:51 |
| persia | [ENDVOTE] | 21:51 |
| MootBot | Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5 | 21:51 |
| persia | hrw Congratulations | 21:51 |
| hrw | thanks guys | 21:51 |
| * persia is out of time | 21:51 | |
| persia | Oh. | 21:51 |
| hrw | now I will give you a bit of time free from me and in some time will apply for motu | 21:51 |
| persia | [TOPIC] Chair for next meeting | 21:52 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Chair for next meeting | 21:52 |
| * persia claims repeats should be avoided | 21:52 | |
| hrw | to not interrupt ubuntu/arm (and others) with debdiffs fixing armel ftfbs' | 21:52 |
| bdrung_ | i don't know if i can attend the next meeting. therefore i am not a good candidate for the chair. | 21:53 |
| stgraber | I can do it | 21:53 |
| persia | [AGREED} stgraber will chair the next meeting | 21:53 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: [AGREED} stgraber will chair the next meeting | 21:53 |
| hrw | have a nice rest of day - 22:53 here and I promised my daughter to read a book before sleep | 21:53 |
| persia | #nedmeeting | 21:53 |
| persia | #endmeeting | 21:54 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 15:54. | 21:54 |
| persia | Thanks everyone for staying the extra hour. | 21:54 |
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