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akkIt's the famous California hissing duck! Call the Audubon Society!00:33
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philipballew^ NICE!00:35
DarkwingDuckDang it.00:48
DarkwingDuckSorry, I should collect this and write a short book "When kids attack keyboards in chatrooms"00:48
MarkDudelol00:51
akkOr a twitter feed, @shitmykidstypeinirc00:57
MarkDuderofl01:04
MarkDude+101:04
* MarkDude really likes how even the kid must type Kubuntu- give em a chance to - and we will get a KDE guide01:16
MarkDudeDarkwingDuck, will you punish your kid for using Gnome?01:16
DarkwingDuckNope01:16
DarkwingDuckMy wife used gnome till recently01:17
MarkDude:)01:17
DarkwingDuckNow if they start using opensuse... :P:P (Kidding)01:17
DarkwingDuckAlthough, If I get this Canonical job...01:17
grantbowgl with that01:30
MarkDudeIs there a meeting tonight?01:33
grantbowyes01:39
MarkDudety02:04
Eurekawiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11May22 edited02:16
grantbowscott-ian: just my opinion, but "What People Think About Unity" is a little bit too broad of a topic for the -us-ca meeting. We also have had problems in the past with last minute agenda edits so I ask that at least 24 hours warning is given so people can prepare for a useful, informed and fruitful discussion.02:25
akkI agree -- sounds like a fine discussion but why make it part of a meeting?02:28
akkSince it's not anything the team needs to (or could) act upon as a team.02:28
grantbowlogs can be dug up if necessary but it seems fairly logical to me that last minute agenda edits are less than fair though I recognize there was an invitation to do so via email for this meeting02:33
MarkDudeYay Cali Team the wiki edit battleground02:34
* MarkDude kids02:34
grantbowscott-ian: are you around?02:38
scott-ianWhere would one discuse such a topic?02:38
grantbowhow about right here right now outside the meting?02:39
grantbowshort meetings are not a crime IMHO02:39
grantbowit's alwmost summer and people get busy02:40
scott-ianOk, what do you think of Unity?  I soon decieded to use the Gnome Shell.02:40
grantbowor #ubuntu :-)02:40
grantbowI think it's a bold departure.02:40
grantbowas I haven't been able to run gnome shell yet I can't contrast them much yet02:41
akkI don't use unity -- seems super limited compared to what I want to do -- but then I don't use gnome either.02:41
grantbowso to use gnome shell you have to disable unity and vica versa I heard02:42
akkNo, just log in differently. My husband switches back and forth.02:43
grantbowthe problems I heard about were fixed? cool02:43
scott-ianI found that the Gnome Shell is good.  The only advantage I can think of for unity is that it uses compiz, which is considered a bad thing to some.  Any Other advantages?02:45
akkunity is a bit more flexible than gnome3, easier to customize and easier to do things like shut down. But they're really very similar. (So I'm told.)02:46
scott-ianI found Unity and the Gnome Shell are very diferent.  Unity is not very customizable, but Gnome Shell extentions provide great customizability.02:47
akkgnome2, or 3?02:48
Eurekawiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11May22 edited02:48
scott-ianGnome 3.  Gnome 2 is great, but it has reached its end.02:48
akkokay, maybe the husband hasn't discovered these extensions you mention.02:49
akkIt took him weeks even to figure out how to shut the machine down from gnome3 (turns out you have to hold the alt key while you mouse over the logout menu).02:50
scott-ianA Gnome Shell extention changes that. See http://blog.fpmurphy.com/ for details on that.02:51
grantbowuh, Unity is gnome 2.32 and gnome-shell runs on gnome 3? http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2011/03/03/gnome3-on-ubuntu/02:51
* akk will stick with openbox02:52
grantbowhttp://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-common-gnome-3-issues-on-ubuntu-11-04-natty.html02:53
grantbowsays "Note:- This will remove unity"02:53
grantbowI found these with a simple google for "natty gnome 3"02:54
grantbowthere were also several relevant UDS sessions a few weeks back that are worthwhile if you are interested in these things. I can dig up URLs after the meeting if you like02:55
akkTurns out I was confused -- d has been doing his gnome3 testing on arch, says it works much better there than on natty.02:55
akkHe did install the natty version briefly, but couldn't get it to do much and gave up on it.02:56
akkSo maybe they don't coexist.02:56
grantbow5 minute warning02:56
scott-ianI'm running it on Ubuntu.  It will work with Unity in 6 months though!02:57
jdeslipHello All :)02:57
icarus81Hello02:57
jdeslipShould be a short meeting tonight :)02:58
aadityaEvenin', California.03:00
aadityaHow's everyone doing tonight?03:00
jdeslipPretty good03:00
icarus81alright slow weekend03:01
jdeslipOK, let's get started on the meeting03:01
jdeslip------------------ Meeting Start --------------------03:01
jdeslipRaise your hand if you around for the meeting.03:01
jdeslipCurrently we have no agenda items03:01
aadityao/03:01
grantbowo/03:01
akko/03:02
icarus81o/03:02
jdeslipOK - lets start with announcements.  Anyone have any?03:02
jdeslipWe (pliea2) got a shipment of Natty CDs and they being spread throughout the state.  If you haven't heard about that that, please check out the email list.03:03
jdeslipYou can request some for a good cause of your choice.03:03
jdeslipAny other announcements from anyone?03:04
MarkDude\o03:05
grantbowhttp://uds.ubuntu.com/ was fun03:05
MarkDudeMaker Faire effin rocked03:05
jdeslipIn case anyone is new or lurking, I want to remind them of the ongoing Ubuntu-hour events around the state: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours03:06
jdeslipMarkDude: Glad to hear it.03:06
aadityaMaker Faire +103:06
* jdeslip wanted to see the Android ADK stuff03:06
aadityaThat would have been nice. I wonder why Google didn't have much of it at Maker Faire.03:07
jdeslipOK, so if there are no more announcements.  Does anyone want to bring anything else up?03:07
jdeslipaaditya: I thought Google had a whole booth of it there?03:07
jdeslipat least I saw lots of picks03:08
grantbowGoogle I/O was interesting too from the videos I had time to watch03:08
MarkDudeJono has a loud music show upcoming next month with the new drummer03:08
aadityaThey did, but didn't have much to show off there, as compared to what they had at Google I/O - e.g. a 20'x16' labyrinth powered by ADK.03:08
jdeslipOK. If there are no other agenda items etc... let's call this to a close.  (Record?)03:09
MarkDudeJune 17th https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=18858674785301503:09
grantbowsounds like no more pressing or relevant team business03:09
* MarkDude has nuthin'03:09
jdeslipSummer is pretty quiet - we will have some more stuff to plan shortly.03:10
jdeslip------------------------------  Meeting Ends -----------------------03:10
jdeslipThanks for coming by all.03:10
aadityaAwesome.03:10
akkI was surprised (though shouldn't have been) that Maker Faire wasn't a great place to learn tech details of anything.03:10
MarkDudeThe Google setup was rather meager jdeslip03:10
grantbowThanks jdeslip03:10
aadityaakk: my thoughts exactly!03:10
akkMore stand around going "whoa, that's ... big" at things from a distance.03:11
jdeslipMarkDude: ah, that is too bad.  I am going to get set on the ADK soon..03:11
akkWhenever I tried to get close to anything and find out more about it, I gave up, too much noise and crowding.03:11
aadityaMaybe I was overexpecting, however.03:11
* MarkDude saw much of it as - make mental not to check these people out online03:11
MarkDudenote03:11
jdeslipWere than any Linux/Ubuntu related booths there?03:11
akkyeah, to find out anything you really have to check online later03:11
aadityaMy hopes were high at the battleship arena.03:11
* MarkDude got covered in mentos/diet coke- that made it worth it03:12
akkI wanted to see that, but it was a 2-hr wait 'til the next show.03:12
akkI was surprised how many empty stages there were with nothing going on for hours.03:12
akk(same with the mentos one)03:12
MarkDudeThe battleship thing was dead- I think they were broken during the day03:12
aadityaIt ended with no explosions, and the game was a draw after random shipping nailing each other and then resurfacing.03:12
grantbowmentos guys were there again? nice!03:12
MarkDudeYou could not tell which ships were on which side03:12
MarkDudelike lack of flags was not helpful03:13
MarkDudeThey needed flamethrowers03:13
aaditya...yes, and couldn't even spot the neutral target ship most of the time.03:13
jyoSo they had a battleship thing this year instead of battlebots?03:13
MarkDudeIt should have had a flag03:13
MarkDudethey should have had a balsa wood ship at the end- that would have made it worth it03:14
aadityaMarkDude: they could have painted the ships red/blue.03:14
MarkDudeIt WAS more exciting for a bit - when a kid above us got nailed in the head with a 1/4 steel ball03:14
jdesliphopefully not in the eye03:15
akkShot by one of the ships?03:15
grantbowdrama near MarkDude? never03:15
aadityaI also didn't understand why most of the ships were floating on the corner opposite to where the target was located.03:15
aadityajdeslip: we all had protective glasses, so eyes were safe.03:15
MarkDudegrantbow, lol03:15
epsSo, it was all fun and games, then?03:16
* MarkDude was hella tempted to get in the water- and be Godzilla - and attack the city03:16
akkhaha03:16
MarkDuderawr03:16
aadityaMarkDude: should have done that with the penguin suit on.03:16
akkThat would've rocked.03:16
akkTUXZILLA!03:17
grantbowlike he needs encouragement03:17
MarkDudeNo doubt- Noelle had her flip- and my Tux WAS actually in the jeep03:17
akkI was impressed how many people were in renfaire-type costume. Didn't expect that.03:17
akk"It's like ren faire ... with flamethrowers!"03:18
MarkDudelol03:18
aadityaThey could have installed the plasma welding gun on a ship...03:18
MarkDudeand quite a bit of bustier and other steampunk gear- and roughly 1/2 the people had goggles of some sort03:19
MarkDudeThe plasma welder was cool03:19
akkI wish they'd had a section kinda like the "dot org pavilion" at oscon for random little electronics/computer/arduino projects.03:19
aadityayeah, electronics was what I was hoping to see there the most.03:20
aadityaTechShop was bleh.03:20
akkThere were some of those projects, but mostly in the kiddie hall where it was hard to find them.03:20
akkand impossible to get close to anything03:20
MarkDudeWe can get some of them for East Bay Maker Faire03:20
akkI couldn't even get in to TechShop -- stood at the door for a while and couldn't get past the crowds.03:21
* MarkDude will let people know when it will be03:21
MarkDudetechshop was ok03:21
MarkDudethey had 3d printers03:21
aadityaThey've been showing off 3D printers for years now.03:21
MarkDudeand wooden ties03:21
MarkDude:P03:21
akkI expected to see a lot more 3d printer type stuff.03:21
* MarkDude did want more robots03:21
epsWooden ties? Like on railroad tracks?03:21
grantbowakk: there are three at noisebridge.net in operation if you want to use one03:22
MarkDudeeps, like wearable03:22
MarkDudeas in suit and tie03:22
epsI bet someone's making ties out of bamboo these days.03:22
akkI have a bamboo towel (xmas present, and it's really nice)03:23
akkIt's very soft, oddly enough.03:23
akkAnd super dense.03:23
epsTechnically it's a grass.03:23
MarkDudebamboo towel?03:24
MarkDudecool03:24
akkI think it's from here: http://www.bamboomoon.net/03:25
akkI was also hoping I'd find out about lots of amazing maker groups in the south bay that I could join03:28
akkbut even the groups who were recruiting ("come take our classes!") never said where they were, so you just have to take a flyer and google later03:28
akkgrantbow: d is currently installing gnome3 on his natty machine, will report soon whether unity gets removed.03:30
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akkbut it didn't *say* it was going to remove it03:30
akkgrantbow: Looks like you're right -- after installing and rebooting, the login fails and dumps into a terminal (because autologin to unity failed).03:42
MarkDudehttps://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=32880457262003:53
MarkDudePi day awesomeness in 201503:54
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nhainespleia2: thanks!  http://ubuntuone.com/p/v8S/21:03
pleia2nhaines: yay! :)21:04
nhainesCount looks good too.21:04
MarkDudeIs Apple a religion? Maybe >>>http://www.sun-sentinel.com/features/religion/faith-and-values/sfl-fv-blog-apple,0,5968854.story21:55
MarkDudeMri scans of Mac folks- this makes me think I need to continue with my Linux *is* a cult talks21:56
* DarkwingDuck waves23:48

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