[00:32] <DarkwingDuck> sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
[00:33] <akk> It's the famous California hissing duck! Call the Audubon Society!
[00:33] <DarkwingDuck> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[00:33] <DarkwingDuck> asxxxxxxccvvvbbmm,.'
[00:33] <DarkwingDuck> kubuntuguide.infodghkkkl;'
[00:35] <philipballew> ^ NICE!
[00:48] <DarkwingDuck> Dang it.
[00:48] <DarkwingDuck> Sorry, I should collect this and write a short book "When kids attack keyboards in chatrooms"
[00:51] <MarkDude> lol
[00:57] <akk> Or a twitter feed, @shitmykidstypeinirc
[01:04] <MarkDude> rofl
[01:04] <MarkDude> +1
[01:16]  * MarkDude really likes how even the kid must type Kubuntu- give em a chance to - and we will get a KDE guide
[01:16] <MarkDude> DarkwingDuck, will you punish your kid for using Gnome?
[01:16] <DarkwingDuck> Nope
[01:17] <DarkwingDuck> My wife used gnome till recently
[01:17] <MarkDude> :)
[01:17] <DarkwingDuck> Now if they start using opensuse... :P:P (Kidding)
[01:17] <DarkwingDuck> Although, If I get this Canonical job...
[01:30] <grantbow> gl with that
[01:33] <MarkDude> Is there a meeting tonight?
[01:39] <grantbow> yes
[02:04] <MarkDude> ty
[02:16] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11May22 edited
[02:25] <grantbow> scott-ian: just my opinion, but "What People Think About Unity" is a little bit too broad of a topic for the -us-ca meeting. We also have had problems in the past with last minute agenda edits so I ask that at least 24 hours warning is given so people can prepare for a useful, informed and fruitful discussion.
[02:28] <akk> I agree -- sounds like a fine discussion but why make it part of a meeting?
[02:28] <akk> Since it's not anything the team needs to (or could) act upon as a team.
[02:33] <grantbow> logs can be dug up if necessary but it seems fairly logical to me that last minute agenda edits are less than fair though I recognize there was an invitation to do so via email for this meeting
[02:34] <MarkDude> Yay Cali Team the wiki edit battleground
[02:34]  * MarkDude kids
[02:38] <grantbow> scott-ian: are you around?
[02:38] <scott-ian> Where would one discuse such a topic?
[02:39] <grantbow> how about right here right now outside the meting?
[02:39] <grantbow> short meetings are not a crime IMHO
[02:40] <grantbow> it's alwmost summer and people get busy
[02:40] <scott-ian> Ok, what do you think of Unity?  I soon decieded to use the Gnome Shell.
[02:40] <grantbow> or #ubuntu :-)
[02:40] <grantbow> I think it's a bold departure.
[02:41] <grantbow> as I haven't been able to run gnome shell yet I can't contrast them much yet
[02:41] <akk> I don't use unity -- seems super limited compared to what I want to do -- but then I don't use gnome either.
[02:42] <grantbow> so to use gnome shell you have to disable unity and vica versa I heard
[02:43] <akk> No, just log in differently. My husband switches back and forth.
[02:43] <grantbow> the problems I heard about were fixed? cool
[02:45] <scott-ian> I found that the Gnome Shell is good.  The only advantage I can think of for unity is that it uses compiz, which is considered a bad thing to some.  Any Other advantages?
[02:46] <akk> unity is a bit more flexible than gnome3, easier to customize and easier to do things like shut down. But they're really very similar. (So I'm told.)
[02:47] <scott-ian> I found Unity and the Gnome Shell are very diferent.  Unity is not very customizable, but Gnome Shell extentions provide great customizability.
[02:48] <akk> gnome2, or 3?
[02:48] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11May22 edited
[02:48] <scott-ian> Gnome 3.  Gnome 2 is great, but it has reached its end.
[02:49] <akk> okay, maybe the husband hasn't discovered these extensions you mention.
[02:50] <akk> It took him weeks even to figure out how to shut the machine down from gnome3 (turns out you have to hold the alt key while you mouse over the logout menu).
[02:51] <scott-ian> A Gnome Shell extention changes that. See http://blog.fpmurphy.com/ for details on that.
[02:51] <grantbow> uh, Unity is gnome 2.32 and gnome-shell runs on gnome 3? http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2011/03/03/gnome3-on-ubuntu/
[02:52]  * akk will stick with openbox
[02:53] <grantbow> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-common-gnome-3-issues-on-ubuntu-11-04-natty.html
[02:53] <grantbow> says "Note:- This will remove unity"
[02:54] <grantbow> I found these with a simple google for "natty gnome 3"
[02:55] <grantbow> there were also several relevant UDS sessions a few weeks back that are worthwhile if you are interested in these things. I can dig up URLs after the meeting if you like
[02:55] <akk> Turns out I was confused -- d has been doing his gnome3 testing on arch, says it works much better there than on natty.
[02:56] <akk> He did install the natty version briefly, but couldn't get it to do much and gave up on it.
[02:56] <akk> So maybe they don't coexist.
[02:56] <grantbow> 5 minute warning
[02:57] <scott-ian> I'm running it on Ubuntu.  It will work with Unity in 6 months though!
[02:57] <jdeslip> Hello All :)
[02:57] <icarus81> Hello
[02:58] <jdeslip> Should be a short meeting tonight :)
[03:00] <aaditya> Evenin', California.
[03:00] <aaditya> How's everyone doing tonight?
[03:00] <jdeslip> Pretty good
[03:01] <icarus81> alright slow weekend
[03:01] <jdeslip> OK, let's get started on the meeting
[03:01] <jdeslip> ------------------ Meeting Start --------------------
[03:01] <jdeslip> Raise your hand if you around for the meeting.
[03:01] <jdeslip> Currently we have no agenda items
[03:01] <aaditya> o/
[03:01] <grantbow> o/
[03:02] <akk> o/
[03:02] <icarus81> o/
[03:02] <jdeslip> OK - lets start with announcements.  Anyone have any?
[03:03] <jdeslip> We (pliea2) got a shipment of Natty CDs and they being spread throughout the state.  If you haven't heard about that that, please check out the email list.
[03:03] <jdeslip> You can request some for a good cause of your choice.
[03:04] <jdeslip> Any other announcements from anyone?
[03:05] <MarkDude> \o
[03:05] <grantbow> http://uds.ubuntu.com/ was fun
[03:05] <MarkDude> Maker Faire effin rocked
[03:06] <jdeslip> In case anyone is new or lurking, I want to remind them of the ongoing Ubuntu-hour events around the state: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours
[03:06] <jdeslip> MarkDude: Glad to hear it.
[03:06] <aaditya> Maker Faire +1
[03:06]  * jdeslip wanted to see the Android ADK stuff
[03:07] <aaditya> That would have been nice. I wonder why Google didn't have much of it at Maker Faire.
[03:07] <jdeslip> OK, so if there are no more announcements.  Does anyone want to bring anything else up?
[03:07] <jdeslip> aaditya: I thought Google had a whole booth of it there?
[03:08] <jdeslip> at least I saw lots of picks
[03:08] <grantbow> Google I/O was interesting too from the videos I had time to watch
[03:08] <MarkDude> Jono has a loud music show upcoming next month with the new drummer
[03:08] <aaditya> They did, but didn't have much to show off there, as compared to what they had at Google I/O - e.g. a 20'x16' labyrinth powered by ADK.
[03:09] <jdeslip> OK. If there are no other agenda items etc... let's call this to a close.  (Record?)
[03:09] <MarkDude> June 17th https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=188586747853015
[03:09] <grantbow> sounds like no more pressing or relevant team business
[03:09]  * MarkDude has nuthin'
[03:10] <jdeslip> Summer is pretty quiet - we will have some more stuff to plan shortly.
[03:10] <jdeslip> ------------------------------  Meeting Ends -----------------------
[03:10] <jdeslip> Thanks for coming by all.
[03:10] <aaditya> Awesome.
[03:10] <akk> I was surprised (though shouldn't have been) that Maker Faire wasn't a great place to learn tech details of anything.
[03:10] <MarkDude> The Google setup was rather meager jdeslip
[03:10] <grantbow> Thanks jdeslip
[03:10] <aaditya> akk: my thoughts exactly!
[03:11] <akk> More stand around going "whoa, that's ... big" at things from a distance.
[03:11] <jdeslip> MarkDude: ah, that is too bad.  I am going to get set on the ADK soon..
[03:11] <akk> Whenever I tried to get close to anything and find out more about it, I gave up, too much noise and crowding.
[03:11] <aaditya> Maybe I was overexpecting, however.
[03:11]  * MarkDude saw much of it as - make mental not to check these people out online
[03:11] <MarkDude> note
[03:11] <jdeslip> Were than any Linux/Ubuntu related booths there?
[03:11] <akk> yeah, to find out anything you really have to check online later
[03:11] <aaditya> My hopes were high at the battleship arena.
[03:12]  * MarkDude got covered in mentos/diet coke- that made it worth it
[03:12] <akk> I wanted to see that, but it was a 2-hr wait 'til the next show.
[03:12] <akk> I was surprised how many empty stages there were with nothing going on for hours.
[03:12] <akk> (same with the mentos one)
[03:12] <MarkDude> The battleship thing was dead- I think they were broken during the day
[03:12] <aaditya> It ended with no explosions, and the game was a draw after random shipping nailing each other and then resurfacing.
[03:12] <grantbow> mentos guys were there again? nice!
[03:12] <MarkDude> You could not tell which ships were on which side
[03:13] <MarkDude> like lack of flags was not helpful
[03:13] <MarkDude> They needed flamethrowers
[03:13] <aaditya> ...yes, and couldn't even spot the neutral target ship most of the time.
[03:13] <jyo> So they had a battleship thing this year instead of battlebots?
[03:13] <MarkDude> It should have had a flag
[03:14] <MarkDude> they should have had a balsa wood ship at the end- that would have made it worth it
[03:14] <aaditya> MarkDude: they could have painted the ships red/blue.
[03:14] <MarkDude> It WAS more exciting for a bit - when a kid above us got nailed in the head with a 1/4 steel ball
[03:15] <jdeslip> hopefully not in the eye
[03:15] <akk> Shot by one of the ships?
[03:15] <grantbow> drama near MarkDude? never
[03:15] <aaditya> I also didn't understand why most of the ships were floating on the corner opposite to where the target was located.
[03:15] <aaditya> jdeslip: we all had protective glasses, so eyes were safe.
[03:15] <MarkDude> grantbow, lol
[03:16] <eps> So, it was all fun and games, then?
[03:16]  * MarkDude was hella tempted to get in the water- and be Godzilla - and attack the city
[03:16] <akk> haha
[03:16] <MarkDude> rawr
[03:16] <aaditya> MarkDude: should have done that with the penguin suit on.
[03:16] <akk> That would've rocked.
[03:17] <akk> TUXZILLA!
[03:17] <grantbow> like he needs encouragement
[03:17] <MarkDude> No doubt- Noelle had her flip- and my Tux WAS actually in the jeep
[03:17] <akk> I was impressed how many people were in renfaire-type costume. Didn't expect that.
[03:18] <akk> "It's like ren faire ... with flamethrowers!"
[03:18] <MarkDude> lol
[03:18] <aaditya> They could have installed the plasma welding gun on a ship...
[03:19] <MarkDude> and quite a bit of bustier and other steampunk gear- and roughly 1/2 the people had goggles of some sort
[03:19] <MarkDude> The plasma welder was cool
[03:19] <akk> I wish they'd had a section kinda like the "dot org pavilion" at oscon for random little electronics/computer/arduino projects.
[03:20] <aaditya> yeah, electronics was what I was hoping to see there the most.
[03:20] <aaditya> TechShop was bleh.
[03:20] <akk> There were some of those projects, but mostly in the kiddie hall where it was hard to find them.
[03:20] <akk> and impossible to get close to anything
[03:20] <MarkDude> We can get some of them for East Bay Maker Faire
[03:21] <akk> I couldn't even get in to TechShop -- stood at the door for a while and couldn't get past the crowds.
[03:21]  * MarkDude will let people know when it will be
[03:21] <MarkDude> techshop was ok
[03:21] <MarkDude> they had 3d printers
[03:21] <aaditya> They've been showing off 3D printers for years now.
[03:21] <MarkDude> and wooden ties
[03:21] <MarkDude> :P
[03:21] <akk> I expected to see a lot more 3d printer type stuff.
[03:21]  * MarkDude did want more robots
[03:21] <eps> Wooden ties? Like on railroad tracks?
[03:22] <grantbow> akk: there are three at noisebridge.net in operation if you want to use one
[03:22] <MarkDude> eps, like wearable
[03:22] <MarkDude> as in suit and tie
[03:22] <eps> I bet someone's making ties out of bamboo these days.
[03:23] <akk> I have a bamboo towel (xmas present, and it's really nice)
[03:23] <akk> It's very soft, oddly enough.
[03:23] <akk> And super dense.
[03:23] <eps> Technically it's a grass.
[03:24] <MarkDude> bamboo towel?
[03:24] <MarkDude> cool
[03:25] <akk> I think it's from here: http://www.bamboomoon.net/
[03:28] <akk> I was also hoping I'd find out about lots of amazing maker groups in the south bay that I could join
[03:28] <akk> but even the groups who were recruiting ("come take our classes!") never said where they were, so you just have to take a flyer and google later
[03:30] <akk> grantbow: d is currently installing gnome3 on his natty machine, will report soon whether unity gets removed.
[03:30] <akk> but it didn't *say* it was going to remove it
[03:42] <akk> grantbow: Looks like you're right -- after installing and rebooting, the login fails and dumps into a terminal (because autologin to unity failed).
[03:53] <MarkDude> https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=328804572620
[03:54] <MarkDude> Pi day awesomeness in 2015
[21:03] <nhaines> pleia2: thanks!  http://ubuntuone.com/p/v8S/
[21:04] <pleia2> nhaines: yay! :)
[21:04] <nhaines> Count looks good too.
[21:55] <MarkDude> Is Apple a religion? Maybe >>>http://www.sun-sentinel.com/features/religion/faith-and-values/sfl-fv-blog-apple,0,5968854.story
[21:56] <MarkDude> Mri scans of Mac folks- this makes me think I need to continue with my Linux *is* a cult talks
[23:48]  * DarkwingDuck waves