[02:41] <snap-l> I wish I had a bluetooth-controlled IR emitter in my living room
[02:41] <snap-l> so I wouldn't have to get up to turn the stereo off.
[02:42] <snap-l> <- lazy.
[04:11] <snap-l> Getting some T-Storms here
[04:36] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/hhef3/in_which_zed_encounters_a_small_snag_with_fossil/ <- why do I feel like Hg is a great way to occasionally lose your work?
[04:43] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/hhef3/in_which_zed_encounters_a_small_snag_with_fossil/c1vg3nh <- Heh
[12:15] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:23] <rick_h__> morning
[12:24] <rick_h__> ugh, here comes a case of the mondays
[12:37] <brousch> messed up my back doing yardwork. i hate meatspace
[12:37] <rick_h__> yea, busted butt to try to get lawn done before the rain
[12:37] <rick_h__> after doing basement cleaning/reorg
[12:37] <rick_h__> and paying for it this morning for sure
[12:46] <snap-l> ugh
[12:46] <snap-l> lelectrician is here early
[12:47] <snap-l> so going to power down
[13:04] <greg-g>  lots of ugh this morning
[13:05] <rick_h__> heh, definitely
[13:14] <_stink_> so if i'm in a manic state of happiness i should keep it to myself?
[13:15] <rick_h__> _stink_: hah, naw, need to raise the rest of us up
[13:15] <rick_h__> do share :P
[13:17] <brousch> he's such a tease
[13:18] <_stink_> oh, i'm not.  that was strictly hypothetical :P
[13:19] <rick_h__> crap, now you got our hopes all up for some sunshine and crushed us more
[13:19] <brousch> as long as one person was happy, i was ok with the world. now i'm gonna jump off a bridge
[13:20] <_stink_> yeah, i have that effect on people
[13:31] <brousch> man, joplin got flattened
[14:32] <snap-l> That was fun
[14:32] <rick_h__> party!
[14:32] <rick_h__> I think we need a coffee run
[14:33] <snap-l> Heh
[14:35] <snap-l> The electrician was early. Threw off the entire morning
[14:36] <snap-l> Was supposed to be here at 8am. Was here at 7:40am
[14:37] <greg-g> in the morning, 20 minutes *is* a huge deal. that can make or break a mood
[14:38] <snap-l> http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm310/apettit7/52111/Rapture.jpg
[14:38] <snap-l> Oh, I got a headbutt to the lips this morning instead of a kiss from JoDee
[14:39] <greg-g> that's an odd electrician
[14:39] <snap-l> I meant JoDee wasn't in a very happy mood
[14:39] <snap-l> She was already being rushed for 8am, and 7:40am was too much
[14:40]  * greg-g nods
[14:54] <rick_h__> see, no if _stink_ has been all sharing the happy, he could have helped fix this, now it's more ugh
[14:54] <rick_h__> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/firefox-5-beta-lands-right-on-schedule/12906
[14:54] <snap-l> Ok, it's all his fault is it?
[14:54] <rick_h__> FF5, here we go FF turns into chrome
[14:54] <rick_h__> (which is all good except now we have a FF extension to worry about ugh)
[14:55] <snap-l> Heh
[15:11] <rick_h__> http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-prepping-10-more-cities-lte
[15:11] <rick_h__> some michigan love
[15:16] <snap-l> Yay
[15:16]  * rick_h__ checks ohio for 4g coverage
[15:16] <snap-l> I am downloading Lady Gaga's latest album, only becasue a) It's .99 on Amazon, and b) I think I still have a $1 credit at Amazon for a MP3 purchase.
[15:17] <rick_h__> mmmm, 4g could be cool for covering pyohio and OLF
[15:17] <rick_h__> could probably stream some ustream, etc
[15:18] <snap-l> That would be cool
[15:18] <rick_h__> yea, we're still thinking of getting a table for OLF right?
[15:18] <rick_h__> I've not heard about that stuff opening up yet
[15:18] <snap-l> Wow, people are tearing into Amazon because this album isn't downloading for them
[15:19] <snap-l> http://www.amazon.com/Born-This-Way-digital-booklet/product-reviews/B0051QIGP4/ref=cm_cr_pr_hist_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar
[15:19] <snap-l> rick_h__: YEah, that's what I was thinking
[15:19] <snap-l> I'm a little worried about PyOhio. Haven't heard a peep
[15:19] <snap-l> re: registration / hotel / etc.
[15:19] <snap-l> Just request for talks.
[15:20] <rick_h__> hmmm, yea I should email them shortly. I see some sponsorses listed and a category called "media sponsors"
[15:20] <rick_h__> but don't see a price category for that
[15:20] <rick_h__> vs OSS/.org
[15:48] <rick_h__> why do they keep trying to mess up a good thing? http://techcrunch.com/2011/05/23/kobo-introduces-new-touchscreen-e-reader-drops-original-model-to-99/
[15:49] <rick_h__> I do not want to touch my e-reader kthx
[16:40] <snap-l> Thanks, Amazon for completely fucking me.
[16:41] <snap-l> .amz file only downloaded a handful of the tracks
[16:41] <rick_h__> joining the angry crowd?
[16:41] <snap-l> Yes, but rather than passive-aggressive in the review section, I'm going to do something about it
[16:47] <snap-l> Apparently they're having growing problems with the cloud downloads
[17:12] <snap-l> miro changed their landing page
[17:12] <snap-l> looks like it now has ads
[17:12] <rick_h__> and another service grows up
[17:14] <snap-l> Yep
[17:17] <snap-l> Might have to dust off piddlepodder if it gets too obtrusive. ;)
[17:18] <snap-l> Who keeps changing the damn internet on me.
[17:18] <snap-l> STOP IT!
[17:18] <rick_h__> yea, tell me about it
[17:19] <snap-l> I'm going to start up a twitter account called 2010 Linux User. ;)
[17:20] <snap-l> https://identi.ca/notice/74271560
[17:34] <wolfger> what's got snap-l's goat today?
[17:37] <snap-l> Amazon MP3 store screwed up
[17:40] <wolfger> inconcievable!
[17:43] <wolfger> You were trying to download the new Lady Gaga album for 99 cents, weren't you?
[17:43] <wolfger> I know that's what I'm doing when I get home...
[18:41] <jrwren> rick_h__: recommend an AMI for use on EC2 with LAMP
[18:41] <rick_h__> one that's lamp prepped?
[18:41] <rick_h__> or just want to run a lamp server?
[18:41] <rick_h__> I'd just do an ubuntu micro ami to start out and setup from there
[18:41] <rick_h__> I don't know of any with lamp pre-installed/config
[18:42] <jrwren> taht is waht I said, but these guys spun their wheels for an hour or two thinking there was some AMI out there that would save them from teh apt-get install libapache2-php5...
[18:42] <jrwren> thanks.
[18:42] <rick_h__> it's like two commands to setup php on ubuntu :/
[18:43] <rick_h__> sudo apt-get install apache2 mysql-server mysql-client phpmyadmin libapache2-mod-php5
[18:44] <rick_h__> oh, missed php5-mysql
[18:44] <rick_h__> haven't done a php server in a while
[18:44] <brousch> does server version allow to install it at install time?
[18:44] <brousch> a little check box
[18:45] <rick_h__> well an AMI is pre-setup and doens't go through the install process
[18:45] <rick_h__> so you don't hit that on an EC2 box
[18:45] <brousch> ah
[18:45] <rick_h__> I'm sure someone has an AMI with that prepped up, but doesn't seem worth the time
[18:45] <krondor> wouldn't you just build out an instance how you like then save it off as an ami for other ones if you don't like typing apt-get install foo
[18:45] <rick_h__> well what you should do is script that
[18:46] <rick_h__> so that when you want to setup a new box, you'd run the script
[18:46] <jrwren> you could, but if you are only building one EC2 instance, you need not.
[18:46] <rick_h__> and be able to spin up new instances, etc
[18:46] <greg-g> man I hate slurpers
[18:46] <rick_h__> slurpers?
[18:46] <rick_h__> blog slurping?
[18:46] <greg-g> people who slurp their can of soda constantly
[18:46] <jrwren> lol.
[18:46] <rick_h__> oh, lol
[18:46] <rick_h__> didn't see that coming
[18:46] <jrwren> what if it is coffee or tea?
[18:46] <rick_h__> greg-g: bring them an empty glass
[18:47] <greg-g> all slurping is annoying, unless you are trying to drink something really hot, then it is only acceptable the first 2 times, after that, wait, or blow on it
[18:47] <rick_h__> quoteth greg-g: "after that...blow on it"
[18:47] <jrwren> greg-g: slurp rules! I agree on these slurp rules.  post 'em to the ubuntu loco wiki
[18:47] <brousch> quote of the day
[18:48] <greg-g> glad my misery is funny
[18:48] <greg-g> :P
[18:49] <rick_h__> come on, smiling helps make people less annoying
[18:49] <rick_h__> that and shooting them...but we're a bit far away for the second option
[18:50] <greg-g> we're closer than you think
[18:51] <snap-l> I think there was an old usenet command called slurp
[18:52] <snap-l> so I had to re-read that to get the gist. :)
[18:59] <wolfger> greg-g: what about 7-11 Slurpees?
[19:00] <greg-g> do not slurp a slurpee
[19:00] <wolfger> but... it's in the name!
[19:01] <wolfger> it's practically required by definition
[19:01] <wolfger> they're not called Sipees
[19:01] <wolfger> :-p
[19:04] <greg-g> wolfger: yeah, well.... seatbelts are not called safety restraint devices because they're unsafe!  :P
[19:04] <rick_h__> oh crap, boom goes the Monday
[19:04] <rick_h__> greg-g: with the beat down
[19:05] <greg-g> take note, this is the greg you get if you slurp in his presence
[19:05] <brousch> terrifying
[19:05] <wolfger> Seatbelts are called seatbelts. Because they are belts. Attached to your seat.
[19:06] <greg-g> erm, I meant safety belt, which they are also called
[19:06] <wolfger> the sign on the dashboard does not say "fasten your safety belt" :-p
[19:07]  * wolfger suddenly gets a desire to find a way to slurp over IRC....
[19:07] <jrwren> slurp is a nntp binary downloader right?  so you can snag 0-day movies from the usetnets.
[19:09] <rick_h__> http://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-a-safety-belt-works
[19:10] <rick_h__> http://www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/SafetyBelt/OPIPT_FinalRpt_07-17-03.html
[19:10] <greg-g> rick_h__++
[19:11] <rick_h__> http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safety-security/safety-belt/index.htm?printer=true
[19:11] <rick_h__> ok, I'm done then
[19:11] <wolfger> "Shoulder belt (lap)"???
[19:11] <wolfger> They need Human Anatomy 101
[19:12] <wolfger> the shoulder is not located in or near the lap
[19:12] <rick_h__> just saying, that the dot.gov, nhtsa ...seem like some reasonable places to get 'terminology' from
[19:14] <wolfger> :-p
[19:14] <wolfger> 2carpros is a lousy place, though (apparantly)
[19:15] <rick_h__> well that one came up first, but yea...I figured I'd better get more authoratative before I got feedback
[19:15] <rick_h__> was originally looking for a sign that said safety belt
[19:15] <rick_h__> but most signs are just pictures of belts locking
[19:15] <wolfger> what a timely discussion, since this weekend is the start of The Semi-annual Seatbelt Law Enforcement Week
[19:15] <rick_h__> greg-g: is sneaky like that
[19:16] <wolfger> one of 2 (arguably 3) weeks per year that law enforcement really cares if you wear it or not
[19:17] <rick_h__> well, I think that I've got a few friends that would disagree
[19:17] <rick_h__> though I admit mostly they were stopped for reason X and the SB got added on for good measure
[19:17] <greg-g> oops, I didn't *really* mean to get this conversation going ;)
[19:17] <wolfger> exactly
[19:17] <rick_h__> but I'd hardly say 'really cares' only occurs during that limited time
[19:18] <brousch> greg-g: you troll, you pay the consequences
[19:18] <rick_h__> I've missed them all so far, and I'm running out of steam...
[19:18] <greg-g> brousch: touche
[19:18] <krondor> http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-123-1593_3504-256620--,00.html
[19:18] <wolfger> and for my part, I've been pulled over twice for reason x while not wearing a belt, and not been ticketed for non-compliance with the belt... Just lucky I guess.
[19:19]  * greg-g grumbles of the mighigan.gov urls
[19:19] <krondor> michgan seatbelt rate is > 95% you can't get 5 percent of people to do anything, seems like a waste to focus so heavily on the last few percent right..
[19:19] <wolfger> but there's only 2 or 3 weeks a year where they will actually pull people over specifically to issue seatbelt tickets
[19:19] <rick_h__> meh, we've got crap like national donut day
[19:19] <wolfger> the rest of the time, there's some other reason, and they pile on
[19:19] <rick_h__> nothing wrong with a little theme events once in a while
[19:19] <brousch> we do? when is that?!
[19:19] <rick_h__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Doughnut_Day
[19:20] <greg-g> lol
[19:20] <wolfger> brousch: there's a "
[19:20] <rick_h__> (I just threw that out there, but you just know it had to exist)
[19:20] <krondor> I thought that was the point of fat tuesday
[19:20] <wolfger> "National X Day" for virtually any X you can come up with
[19:20] <rick_h__> krondor: no, that's specific to the puncki thing right?
[19:20] <krondor> yes the superior donut
[19:20] <rick_h__> anyway, that's my point. It's like a company saying it's "quality week"
[19:20] <brousch> oh man, national donut day is coming up soon
[19:21] <brousch> first friday of ju ne
[19:21] <rick_h__> all entities setup themes
[19:21] <krondor> yeah but they also pump ad money into click it or ticket campaigns.. that's the waste I guess or 'seatbelt enforcement zones' rather then doing the normal police work.  I bet there's OT opportunities too
[19:21]  * krondor wears his seatbelt always, but is annoyed anyway
[19:22] <wolfger> what I want to know is, how do they determine there was "a dip" in seatbelt use?
[19:23] <rick_h__> krondor: true, but it's also a general reminder and somewhat friendly face of public law enforcement
[19:23] <brousch> they could look at accidents
[19:23] <rick_h__> "hey, we're looking out for you, we're protecting"...
[19:23] <wolfger> I think what they really mean is "more people who dislike seatbelts got into accidents last year than the year before"
[19:23] <rick_h__> hah, this coderwall thing is brilliant
[19:23] <rick_h__> " During our beta we can only handle so many new accounts (due to API throttle limits and all). The current demand has us a little backlogged. Your expected wait time is currently 5 days in this queue. We'll email you as soon as your wall is ready."
[19:23] <brousch> june 3, national donut day 2011, is on my calendar now. thanks rick_h__
[19:23] <rick_h__> "Cut in line and get your wall within the next 2 hours by clicking  or tweeting your page"
[19:23] <wolfger> also, if that's how they record seatbelt use, it's all a lie anyway
[19:24] <rick_h__> so doesn't auto tweet, but encourages me to do so, or else wait 5 days in the queue
[19:24] <wolfger> I'm 0 for 3 on wearing seatbelts in accidents, but 3 for 3 according to police reports
[19:24] <wolfger> because, I'd be stupid to admit to breaking the law now, wouldn't I?
[19:25] <rick_h__> wait, you've had 3 accidents/
[19:25] <rick_h__> ?
[19:25] <brousch> so you're a liar and a seatbelt non-cnformist? i don't know which is worse
[19:25] <rick_h__> even my sucky driver wife has only had 1
[19:25] <rick_h__> he's an accident prone crazy person is what it sounds like
[19:25] <wolfger> Well, more than that. I've had 3 since the law went into effect
[19:25]  * brousch files that quote from rick_h__ away for future use
[19:25] <rick_h__> WHAT?!
[19:26] <wolfger> Of those 3, I was a passenger in one.
[19:26] <rick_h__> ok, thanks. I've lost all interest in this discussion because it's not even intelligent any more, back to work
[19:28] <wolfger> I'm wondering which part made the discussion unintelligent... the part where rick_h__ assumed I was a sucky driver without knowing if I was even behind the wheel (much less at-fault), or the part where.... well, I'm not sure
[19:28] <brousch> have any of you used gnome3 shell?
[19:29] <wolfger> thanks, greg-g.... see what trouble you cause? :-)
[19:31] <wolfger> Time to flee work.  Have a good non-slurp-filled day.
[19:33] <snap-l> brousch: Not recently.
[19:59] <jcastro> ""Unity" which is the most un-unix-like GUI I've ever seen."
[19:59] <jcastro> WOO HOO!
[20:39] <jrwren> i don't even know what a "unix-like GUI" means. I've read some of the UNIX and POSIX spec. I don't recall anything about GUI in there.
[20:39] <jrwren> if there was anything about GUI in there, it was xlib.
[20:39] <jrwren> unity is definitely built on xlib :)
[22:08] <snap-l> jrwren: You know what un-unix-like means in this instance?
[22:08] <snap-l> jrwren: It means that the poster doesn't think it meets whatever lofty UNIX plateau they think GNOME / KDE achieved.
[22:09] <snap-l> I wonder what they think of the Macintosh GUI, since that's UNIX-based. ;)
[22:15] <jrwren> exactly, but said poster is a fool :)
[22:15] <jrwren> or at least very ignornat.
[22:15] <jrwren> pardon my spelling
[22:15] <snap-l> Not absolving, just acknowledging. ;)
[22:16] <jrwren> agreed
[22:16] <snap-l> Personally, the only UNIX gui looks a little something like this:
[22:16] <snap-l> $
[22:25] <krondor> s/\$/#/ until sudo that was