[03:09] <Guest8231> hello, folks, i have a strange issue with my laptop Xubuntu 11.04. after a few hours of working i drop out of session and some radeon problem is on screen, of course i can't make a screenshot of it. and also laptop gets very hot. i've been on maverick gnome for a year, and never had such problems.
[03:10] <Guest8231> can it be 2.6.38-8 issue?
[03:10] <bin_bash> can you write down the error?
[03:10] <Unit193> Guest8231: Or check syslog/other logs?
[03:11] <Guest8231> bin_bash well, probably i will have it in few hours again and make a photo of it.
[03:11] <Guest8231> Unit193, how?
[03:11] <bin_bash> cd /var/logs/
[03:12] <bin_bash> then type
[03:12] <bin_bash> ls
[03:12] <bin_bash> and check out
[03:12] <bin_bash> xorg.0.log
[03:12] <Guest8231> cd /var/logs
[03:12] <Guest8231> bash: cd: /var/logs: No such file or directory
[03:12] <Unit193> /var/log/
[03:12] <bin_bash> ok
[03:12] <bin_bash> cd /var/log/
[03:15] <Guest8231> opened in gedit and i'm not sure it's here
[03:18] <Guest8231> bin_bash, ok, when it happens again, i'll take a photo and come back here and post it on imagebin
[03:19] <bin_bash> k
[03:20] <Guest8231> one last quest. i recently installed 2.6.39 rc4 and wireless stopped working. now it's ok, i returned to 2.6.38 and brcm80211 is used. will it be fixed in new kernel releases?
[04:54] <jmfurlott> I just did a fresh install of 11.04 and for some reason I can't get the power manager to come up
[04:54] <jmfurlott> for my laptop battery. the icon is non existent
[06:39] <nas> hi
[06:45] <nas> problem with parole media player
[07:55] <risd> hi all,..
[07:55] <risd> i want to change the network proxy on my xubuntu, how can i do that?
[08:06] <lemraish> risd, i'm not an advanced xfce user, so i suggest that u change ur proxy settigns in a preferred browser. w8 until somebody else can respond ur question.
[08:07] <Cuchulainn> just this side of installing xubuntu (been an ubuntu user for a year)...where is the quick guide to help me transition?
[08:07] <Cuchulainn> just about to install xubuntu..sorry the first part of that question got lost..
[08:09] <Cuchulainn> to recap: me=gnome user about to try xfce...resources?
[08:09] <lemraish> Cuchulainn, u wanna install xubuntu, right? what exactly is the difficulty?
[08:10] <Cuchulainn> lemraish, no difficulty...am gnome user, tried kde, and want to transition to xfce, on accounta gnome unity move in natty...just looking for the resource or two that will help make said transition smoother, as opposed to not?
[08:11] <Cuchulainn> lemraish, isntalling xubuntu right now, almost finished..
[08:12] <Sysi> xfce is so simple you shouldn't have much problems
[08:13] <Cuchulainn> Sysi, thanks...that's what i'm hoping...i found kde nice looking, but i will admit that the change was a little frustrating at first..
[08:13] <Sysi> much options - it can be about anything
[08:14] <Cuchulainn> Sysi, sounds like you know it...about ten mins left, then i'm sure that i'll have ??s..just trying to have it all queued up by then..
[08:16] <Cuchulainn> Sysi, a little off topic...you ever had to produce much documentation?
[08:17] <Sysi> i've done quite little docs, i now would need to write short guide "from ubuntu to fedora"
[08:17] <lemraish> Cuchulainn, if u have questions, just get here and people will try to help ya. don't worry. i recently transfered to maverick myself. it's ok. and i'm even surprised with some things here, which were not present in gnome.
[08:18] <Sysi> yeah, like window manager settings
[08:18] <lemraish> from* maverick
[08:18] <Sysi> and hotkey settings
[08:18] <lemraish> and configurable notifications ))
[08:19] <lemraish> and not working emerald O:-)
[08:19] <Cuchulainn> Sysi, well i'm producing (perish the thought) microsoft docs, for work, and am having trouble documenting the winkey...i have a graphic, but for ease of entry want to turn it into font...
[08:19] <Sysi> !emerald | lemraish
[08:20] <lemraish> thx, Sysi )))
[08:20] <Cuchulainn> but emerald was cool...still using it for mav..
[08:21] <Sysi> it wasn't bad, compiz settings were
[08:21] <Cuchulainn> compiz is broken in natty...for sure
[08:21] <Sysi> bugsy
[08:21] <lemraish> well, i was stupid enough to remove maverick after xubuntu natty installation ))
[08:22] <lemraish> Cuchulainn, exactly. i still can't get compiz working with xfwm
[08:22] <Sysi> it has never worked with xfwm, use it's decorator plugin
[08:22] <lemraish> Sysi, u mean gtk-window-decorator?
[08:22] <Cuchulainn> lemraish, almost made that same mistake...but fortunately have a netbook to use as testbed..
[08:23] <Sysi> lemraish: no, compiz-window-decorator-plugin
[08:24] <Sysi> i don't know how to use it but it's used with unity
[08:24] <Sysi> fiddle with ccsm
[08:24] <lemraish> Sysi, oh. :-O and i also should use it with --replace under ccsm's window decoration section?
[08:25] <Sysi> no idea
[08:25] <lemraish> Sysi, i'll explore this now, thanks :-)
[08:26] <Cuchulainn> Sysi,  it is, but beware, you can really hose it if not careful...i only know cause i inadvertantly broke it so hard it had to be reinstalled..
[08:26] <Sysi> i twice shortly tried compiz with 9.04 and back then emerald worked, with 11.04 i've heard in irc that it doesn't and unity uses compiz-plugin
[08:28] <Cuchulainn> ccsm works great through 10.10..
[08:30] <Sysi> IMO xfwm is best things in xfce, gnome got metacity as good just recently with gnome3, kwin has a bit more options
[08:31] <Cuchulainn> gnome3?..me=ignorant...do go on?
[08:32] <Sysi> ubuntu doesn't have it, for the firtst time ever ubuntu lacks the newest gnome
[08:33] <Sysi> http://gnome3.org/
[08:33] <Cuchulainn> mint then?...debian?
[08:34] <Sysi> fedora, arch
[08:34] <Sysi> debian sid maybe, dunno about mint
[08:34] <lemraish> Sysi, u know i would use xfwm compositing with pleasure, but it doesn't have transparency within _active_ window. that's why i would like to use compiz
[08:34] <Sysi> lemraish: alt+scroll on window title
[08:35] <lemraish> Sysi, will it be saved after reboot? ))
[08:36] <Sysi> i guess no
[08:36] <Sysi> for what window do you need that?
[08:36] <lemraish> Sysi, for a few apps ))
[08:36] <lemraish> i always used it on maverick with a dak gtk theme, it looked awesome
[08:37] <Cuchulainn> Sysi, tried to download fedora all day today, and apparently the server isnt up to snuff...i'll admit my connex. isn't the best, but everywhere else was recoverable..
[08:37] <lemraish> may be there's way to add transparency on constant basis through editing some configs?
[08:37] <Cuchulainn> Sysi, is Arch worth the effort?
[08:39] <Sysi> lemraish: you maybe could do something with devilspie
[08:39] <Sysi> i don't like arch very much
[08:39] <lemraish> Cuchulainn, it's worth if u have time ))
[08:40] <lemraish> Sysi, what's this?
[08:40] <Sysi> program for settings custom stuff to windows
[08:41] <Sysi> on arch, big effor to set it to defaults of every other distro and package manager had stupid command syntax, and i didn't like AUR
[08:42] <Cuchulainn> lemraish, if you say, i'll figger out how to make the time...thanks..
[08:43] <lemraish> Cuchulainn, but be ready for difficulties. )) thought arch is the most lightweight distro i've ever seen. btw, u could also try opensuse 11.4 it's a recent edition and still has gnome 2.32.
[08:44] <Cuchulainn> Sysi, gotta be at work soon, so thanks for the response..
[08:44] <Sysi> lemraish: it's not lighter than minimal ubuntu installation
[08:44] <Sysi> just easier to make/keep it light
[08:46] <lemraish> Sysi, well, i never tried this one :-) well, ubuntu was always lightweight for me.
[08:46] <lemraish> yup
[08:46] <Cuchulainn> lemraish, wasn't real thrilled with opensuse, not to contradict..looked nice, but outofthebox functionality was sh*t, from my limited experience,,,plus it seemed to run super slow...
[08:47] <Cuchulainn> but then again, i only ran it as VM...anyway...thanks all for the advice..
[08:47] <lemraish> Cuchulainn, the only thing slow in opensuse was always zypper - package manager. have a good time -)
[10:15] <jozefk> o/
[11:24] <jozefk> i don;t see serbian cyrillic keyboard. how can add that one?
[11:31] <jozefk> maybe like this http://www.gate2home.com/?language=sr lol
[11:46] <dvanstone> morning anyone awake
[11:50] <dvanstone> maybe   ...  come back later
[12:05] <Sysi> i wish people learned to ask
[12:24] <lemraish> folks, how do i apply a kernel patch? i downloaded a.bz2 file
[12:25] <Sysi> may i first ask what do you need it for, some driver?
[12:26] <jozefk> really why we don't have cyrillic keyboard in xfce?
[12:26] <lemraish> nope, just interest :-) except, i'm hoping that it will improve performance and solve my strange problem with dropping out of session after a few hours of work and reduce battery usage.
[12:28] <Sysi> jozefk: at least russian should be cyrillic
[12:28] <lemraish> and prevent my laptop to be hot so much. to be honest i think that 11.04 is not that stable yet. as maverick was, for example.
[12:28] <jozefk> yes but russian keyboard is different than serbian
[12:29] <jozefk> and some characters are also different
[12:29] <lemraish> jozefk, u do have it. install package xfce-goodies. it'll install keyboard applet for panel. there u can switch layout
[12:31] <jozefk> I can switch without applet. but I can't add serbian cyrillic coz it's not existing. actually this is first time I see serbian cyrillic is missing in linux distro. because usually ONLY cyrillic is available for serbian language
[12:31] <jozefk> since it's the official one now. latin was there before because of Croatia. which is separate country now...
[12:32] <jozefk> monetenegro's keyboard is what I can use if want to type serbian latin
[12:32] <lemraish> u can add a layout in settings manager -> keyboard -> layout tab
[12:32] <lemraish> it must be there
[12:32] <Sysi> jozefk: croatia layout doesn't work?
[12:32] <jozefk> I added but latin only. there is no cyrillic for serbian
[12:32] <lemraish> i see it available
[12:32] <Sysi> lemraish: please write complete words
[12:32] <lemraish> aaahh
[12:32] <jozefk> croatia is latin only :)
[12:33] <Sysi> how about login screen?
[12:33] <Sysi> or you could ask #xfce
[12:33] <jozefk> is that question for me?
[12:33] <Sysi> yes
[12:34] <jozefk> the OS is in english. I just need to type on serbian sometimes
[12:34] <lemraish> may be there must be an additional lang pack with cyrillic support?
[12:35] <andre_> Hey all, there is an applet to monitoring the temps of the cpu and mb like the lm-sensors for gnome? Thanks in advance!
[12:35] <jozefk> andre_, right click and add and find it there
[12:35] <Sysi> andre_: panel apllet you mean?
[12:35] <jozefk> there are more than one I think
[12:35] <lemraish> andre_ xfce-goodies package
[12:36] <Sysi> or you can use gnome applets through xfapplet
[12:36] <jozefk> I didn't install those goodies and I have the applets
[12:36] <andre_> jozefk, you mean installed by default? i cant find anything!
[12:36] <andre_> lemraish,  thanks i'll try!
[12:36] <jozefk> yes for me they are installed by default
[12:36] <lemraish> np
[12:40] <lemraish> Sysi, so don't u know, how to install a kernel patch in ubuntu? or there are some all distros instructions?
[12:41] <Sysi> u doesn't know
[12:42] <lemraish> aaahh. got you :-)
[12:42] <lemraish> sorry, it's just a whole life addiction
[12:42] <Sysi> (neither do i)
[12:43] <Sysi> i guess if there are instructions, google finds them
[12:43] <lemraish> u instead you and r instead are :-)
[12:44] <lemraish> i just thought there are ubuntu specific instructions. thanks
[12:44] <Sysi> those too
[12:45] <lemraish> btw, if i install a vanilla kernel, will it break the system? ))
[12:45] <dvanstone> what is the command to check for updates ?
[12:45] <jozefk> vanilla icecream
[12:45] <andre_> it seems that my cpu sensors it always says 46 C°, is that a bug or?
[12:45] <lemraish> sudo apt-get update
[12:45] <lemraish> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:46] <dvanstone> thanks
[12:46] <lemraish> np
[12:46] <Sysi> andre_: run sudo sensors-detect
[12:47] <Sysi> ansver yes to everything
[12:47] <andre_> ok
[12:47] <dvanstone> so that just checks for update/upgrade
[12:47] <Sysi> lemraish: depending about drivers you use and how well you can set it up, it should work well
[12:47] <Sysi> apt-get upgrade install updates but it asks before it
[12:48] <dvanstone> ahh
[12:48] <lemraish> Sysi, i use only opensource drivers - radeon and brcm80211.
[12:49] <andre_> Sysi, i've done, now it should works?
[12:49] <Sysi> you need to modprobe modules it wanted or reboot and then see if it works
[12:50] <andre_> k i'll try rebooting, brb! thanks btw
[12:50] <Sysi> np
[12:52] <lemraish> Sysi, thanks, bb. i'll try it now.
[12:54] <andre_> now it works, thanks! :)
[13:21] <dvanstone> too much breakage
[13:24] <dvanstone> download kills itself
[13:26] <dvanstone> exceeds size limits
[13:29] <dvanstone> now what
[13:30] <dvanstone> ?
[13:31] <dvanstone> anyone
[13:32] <bazhang> what's the issue
[13:32] <dvanstone> exceeds size limits
[13:33] <bazhang> dvanstone, please clarify, all on one line
[13:33] <dvanstone> it exceeded download size limits
[13:34] <bazhang> what is "it"; explain what you are trying to do
[13:34] <dvanstone> update
[13:35] <bazhang> paste.ubuntu.com with the command and the full error and give us the url
[13:36] <dvanstone> yeah I get right on that
[13:39] <dvanstone> resize partition needed brb
[14:56] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting today at 19:00 UTC in #xubuntu-devel. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[15:53] <pteague_work> ok, that was weird... started up this morning & no xfwm4 loaded...
[15:53] <charlie-tca> just use Alt+F2, xfwm4
[15:57] <pteague_work> yeah, but took me a while to figure out what was going on... it's a monday & i have my trip on my mind
[15:57] <pteague_work> kind of odd that it would "suddenly" not be loading... added it to session start
[16:00] <Cube``> guys, how do i connect to previously used wireless networks using the command line only without having to type in passwords but using the ones that are saved anyways just like the GUI NetworkManager (the nm-applet) in particular uses?
[16:00] <pteague_work> good question
[16:00] <charlie-tca> I did not think you could from the cli
[16:01] <Cube``> you can do with cnetworkmanager
[16:01] <Cube``> but you cant used saved pws
[16:01] <Cube``> you got to be like "cnetworkmanager -C SSID --wpa-pass=PASSWORD"
[16:04] <Sysi> create alias for it
[16:05] <Sysi> alias connectwifi='command --arguments' into ~/.bashrc
[16:05] <Cube``> Sysi: well of course, for that particular one, but i want a general solution
[16:05] <Cube``> ok thanks
[16:05] <Cube``> i happen to know how to do aliases :)
[16:05] <Sysi> i don't know there to be any
[16:05] <Sysi> unless nmcli can do it, if cnetworkmanager doesn't offer anything
[16:07] <Cube``> hm
[16:14] <dusf> 'to install xubuntu restricted extras libavodec52, and libacutil50 must be uninstalled', is it okay to proceed with this?
[16:16] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu-restricted-extras is a meta-package. After installing it, you can remove it without removing everything else, and reinstall those if you need them
[16:16] <dusf> charlie-tca: ubuntu-software-centre reports 'failed to download.... check your internet connection', my internet connection is fine and i've tried twice now
[16:17] <charlie-tca> Then open terminal, type       sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:17] <charlie-tca> and hit enter
[16:19] <dusf> charlie-tca: there is also a xubuntu-restricted-addons, which seems to do the same sort of thing as xubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:20] <charlie-tca> hm, is that 11.04?
[16:21] <dusf> charlie-tca: yes, xubuntu-restricted-addons also failed to download, something wrong with software centre, will use apt-get
[16:21] <charlie-tca> That package just came out in 10.10, I think it will replace -extras. It is a way to use ubuntu-restricted-extras to hold all the packages, and still separate them for each distro
[16:22] <dusf> charlie-tca: so go with the addons one then?
[16:23] <charlie-tca> I still like -extras myself
[16:23] <dusf> i know i can try both if needs be, problem is with some streaming radio as per http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1763303
[16:23] <dusf> charlie-tca: extras it is then
[16:24] <charlie-tca> I would have to examine both packages to see the differences
[16:25] <dusf> charlie-tca: http://pastebin.com/ncYuQvzr
[16:25] <dusf> please see the errors at the end, maybe something is up with the repo?
[16:26] <dusf> --fix-missing = Unable to correct missing packages.
[16:27] <charlie-tca> Your archive site is down, temporary - http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[16:27] <charlie-tca> is not found for most of the updates
[16:28] <charlie-tca> either try http://archive.ubuntu.com or wait a couple of hours and try again.
[16:28] <charlie-tca> That's probably why software center failed too
[16:28] <charlie-tca> It is just not giving the error messages
[16:29] <charlie-tca> Software Center hides the error messages, and just gives some easy to read thing when it fails
[16:34] <dusf> charlie-tca: would this also cause the same problem for sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install tor tor-geoipdb
[16:34] <dusf> even though i added tor's own repo?
[16:34] <charlie-tca> yup
[16:34] <charlie-tca> it could
[16:34] <charlie-tca> It might be a connection issue
[16:34] <dusf> i guess i'll have to stop tweaking xubuntu for aehile :)
[16:34] <dusf> there seems to always be something to tweak
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Give it a couple of hours.
[16:35] <dusf> charlie-tca: have you confirmed the repo is down from your end, and it's not something i'm doing wrong?
[16:35] <dusf> or a firewall issue etc etc
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Not yet. I am in a meeting right now, give me a few minutes, please.
[16:35] <dusf> charlie-tca: nps
[16:35] <dusf> and ty for your help thus far
[16:36] <charlie-tca> no problem
[16:41] <charlie-tca> dusf: you don't have medibuntu archive?
[16:43] <charlie-tca> You should add this to sources - deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ natty free non-free
[16:43] <charlie-tca> !medibuntu
[16:52] <dusf> *click*
[16:54] <dusf> charlie-tca: will i use the two commands at the top of http://www.medibuntu.org/repository.php ?
[16:55] <charlie-tca> Add  to the bottom of /etc/apt/sources.list - deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ natty free non-free
[16:56] <charlie-tca> nm
[16:57] <charlie-tca> dusf: copy / paste the top command in terminal, it will add the repository and the gpg key for you
[16:58] <charlie-tca> dusf: you can copy/paste the second command in terminal to add the stuff to the Software Center
[16:58] <charlie-tca> but do the first command first
[16:59] <dusf> charlie-tca: thanks, looking good :)
[16:59] <dusf> but...
[16:59] <charlie-tca> but?
[17:00] <dusf> fail
[17:00] <charlie-tca> what failed?
[17:01] <dusf> charlie-tca: http://pastebin.com/j3ZQ3em8
[17:03] <dusf> charlie-tca: 16:47 < thethomaseffect> I've been getting en-ie 404s for a good while
[17:03] <dusf> it may just be the Irish servers?
[17:03] <charlie-tca> same error. The mirror is down
[17:04] <charlie-tca> Try changing servers. It looks like ie.archive is down
[17:04] <dusf> charlie-tca: i'm asking him to clarify 'a good while'
[17:05] <charlie-tca> good idea
[17:07] <charlie-tca> I think you could try using de, or gb instead of ie
[17:18] <dusf> charlie-tca: it's the exact same software though, right? also, what's the best way to change?
[17:18] <charlie-tca> right
[17:19] <charlie-tca> you have to change it in /etc/apt/sources.list by editing it. You can do that using sudo mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:19] <charlie-tca> !repositories
[17:20] <charlie-tca> might help; have not read it
[17:20] <dusf> charlie-tca: there are a lot of 'ie's in there
[17:20] <charlie-tca> I know
[17:21] <charlie-tca> all those ie.archive.ubuntu.com will need to be changed
[17:22] <dusf> is it uk or gb? someone is telling me that changing them will defeat the purpose of stats
[17:22] <charlie-tca> dusf: easy way == search/replace ie.archive.ubuntu.com     with     archive.ubuntu.com
[17:23] <charlie-tca> It will at least yet you install new software. If it screws stats up, that is a side effect to the mirror being down
[17:23] <dusf> charlie-tca: i've encountered this woman before, she's very pro ubuntu stats in ireland lol :D
[17:23] <charlie-tca> Don't tell, then they won't say anything
[17:24] <charlie-tca> ask her how to get the mirror fixed fast
[17:24] <charlie-tca> since you can't install until it is, if you don't change mirrors
[17:25] <dusf> muhaha
[17:25] <dusf> she says it's going on weeks, and i'll only get 404 at some hours of the day
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Tell her that's not good enough
[17:26] <charlie-tca> Since you don't what the hours are, how do you decide what is the okay times?
[17:26] <dusf> lol
[17:26] <dusf> indeed :)
[18:15] <volga629> I have problem with blueman on MAverick NMintegration don't show in plugin tab tried reinstall and remove all directories under blueman
[18:17] <volga629> Blueman version 1.21
[18:22] <Soupermanito> i don't know what blueman is
[18:22] <Soupermanito> but will try to help you if i can
[18:22] <Soupermanito> !blueman
[18:22] <volga629> this GTK manager for bluetooth
[18:23] <jozefk> Soupermanito, how is your notebook today? :)
[18:23] <charlie-tca> !info blueman
[18:24] <Soupermanito> jozefk, was my sisters and it runs smoothly whit win7 now
[18:25] <volga629> yes and on Maverick I can't make Network Manager Integration plugin to work it show in plugin tab, but it is not there and I checked for log and no any specific error
[18:27] <volga629> http://pastebin.com/XeCyS4Bn
[18:30] <philippe> Does anyone else have lagging in xubuntu 11.04 with firefox 4?
[18:30] <charlie-tca> and I was thinking how much faster it is now
[18:31] <KM0201> philippe: negative, quite the opposite.
[18:32] <philippe> I just upgraded from 10.10 and firefox scrolling is laggy :(
[18:35] <bios__> hi it seems that i cannot use the key crtl+f11 within a program but it seems to has no global function and i cannot see any options involving this key combination
[18:36] <Kangarooo> hi i havent been testing and reporting for long time. how could i understand to witch package should report. for example ubuntu-bug to witch package if bug is: 1.) Far left side of vertical scrollbar cant be clicked- taked in action.
[18:36] <charlie-tca> bios__: might be limited by the old key layout which ended at F10 in that application
[18:37] <bios__> f11 is working fine
[18:37] <bios__> just in combination with crtl
[18:37] <charlie-tca> weird
[18:38] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: how do you define the far left of the scrollbar? There is no longer an edge there in greybird
[18:39] <Kangarooo> ou right side
[18:39] <charlie-tca> hm, not a bug, really. It is the final pixel before the border, right?
[18:40] <Kangarooo> i wrote wrong. scrollbar is on right side and far right side is edge of screen and its easy to move mouse to end and start using crollbar
[18:40] <charlie-tca> The scrollbar is usable, but the final pixel before the border is not part of it
[18:41] <charlie-tca> You could report a wishlist against artwork - ubuntu-bug xubuntu-artwork
[18:42] <Kangarooo> well that final pixel could be made as also clickable- ok ill report. is there someways i can try understand to where report?
[18:42] <Kangarooo> another example 2.) sound muted on clean install. Btw i found this bug reported in launchpad but in case it wouldnt be reported then how? right clicking on sound icon on panel i see info - Indicator plugin. so then ubuntu-bug indicator-*other* there is but not indicator-plugin
[18:43] <charlie-tca> The fact that Ubuntu does not want anything left for scrolling doesn't mean Xubuntu will follow that rule
[18:43] <charlie-tca> sound is reported against linux
[18:43] <charlie-tca> indicator is not the cause, it is in the kernel
[18:43] <Kangarooo> if there would be better way to understand how to report then launchpad would have more people affected by bugs.. just a thought :)
[18:44] <Kangarooo> yes.. ok ill try to think some ideas about this
[18:44] <charlie-tca> This explains really well how to report bugs and even how to find the packages - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[18:46] <volga629> found this report https://bugs.launchpad.net/blueman/+bug/660373
[18:46] <volga629> :-(
[18:47] <charlie-tca> Add a comment that it is not working for you, include your release (xubuntu 10.10) information, too.
[18:47] <charlie-tca> I will look at the bug for missing info
[18:47] <volga629> right now the question how to make working without NM on this moment
[18:51] <Kangarooo> o ouh- BUG. try sudo apt-get install aptitude && sudo aptitude purge gimp thunderbird . then he asks questions about dependecies on xubuntu-desktop
[18:52] <charlie-tca> Not a bug
[18:52] <charlie-tca> gimp and thunderbird are defaults for xubuntu-desktop.
[18:52] <Kangarooo> so it will not mess up system if i press something wrong? once i had something like that
[18:53] <Kangarooo> 1 or 2y ago i messed all up with similar situation
[18:53] <charlie-tca> If you are just installing aptitude, you have to let it install before you can use it.
[18:53] <charlie-tca> If Xubuntu-desktop is removed, it needs to be reinstalled to upgrade to the next release
[18:53] <charlie-tca> and that will install whatever is needed for it
[18:54] <Kangarooo> 1 && 2 means finish 1 then do 2 right? or  just & ?
[18:54] <charlie-tca> It is not a bug if aptitude refuses to allow you to screw things up
[18:54] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I would never add something not yet installed to the line, myself
[18:55] <Kangarooo> i like aptitude couse it also removes unneeded programms witch were needed only to programm that depends on the one im trying to remove. should i better use just apt-get ?
[18:55] <Kangarooo> u can put command && comand && command && they && will execute && each after another
[18:56] <Kangarooo> 1st finishing then doing only next
[18:56] <Kangarooo> whatever the outcome is it will then do next after &&
[18:58] <KM0201> Kangarooo: apt-get does the same thing
[18:58] <charlie-tca> The point is even if aptitude fails to install, it will attempt to run the next command anyway
[18:58] <KM0201> hmm, dunno, never had apt-get fail, so i dunno.
[18:59] <Roasted> Why is it in XFCE I have random freezes with my screen saver? I didn't have this issue in gnome but I came back to my laptop that was plugged into AC power for an hour and my screen saver had locked it.
[18:59] <Roasted> My screen saver was not animated or moving on the screen. it just stopped.
[18:59] <Kangarooo> KM0201: aptitude does more
[18:59] <charlie-tca> different screensavers?
[18:59] <Roasted> charlie-tca, yes. I have a monitor on my laptop - different screensaver was on each monitor.
[18:59] <KM0201> i guess..
[18:59] <Roasted> could that be it?
[19:00] <charlie-tca> could
[19:00] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: yes even if command1 && com2 and if command1 fails it will after end of command1 do immidiattly com2
[19:00] <Roasted> also, is there a way to make my darn monitor be used as extended instead of cloned by default? In Ubuntu it just auto detects my stuff, whereas xubuntu clones ti by default with no way to save the profile.
[19:00] <charlie-tca> yes, and command 1 is to install aptitude which command2 requires
[19:01] <charlie-tca> Roasted: arandr
[19:01] <Roasted> charlie-tca, using it.
[19:01] <Roasted> can I save the profile somehow?
[19:01] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: yes and it will execute and outcome will be then- no such command :)
[19:01] <charlie-tca> Don't use it, myself. Hope someone else can answer it
[19:01] <Roasted> er wait. is arandr the same as "multiple monitors" under system?
[19:01] <Roasted> cause arandr does nothing when I open it. nothing.
[19:01] <Roasted> yet "multiple screens" works great, I just can't save the profile
[19:02] <charlie-tca> !arandr
[19:02] <charlie-tca> !info arandr
[19:03] <Roasted> okay
[19:03] <charlie-tca> not sure
[19:03] <Roasted> haha k, wasn't sure what I was supposed to do with that info
[19:03] <Roasted> :P
[19:03] <charlie-tca> try running arandr in a terminal and see if they are same
[19:06] <Roasted> I get an "AssertionError"
[19:12] <charlie-tca> in terminal?
[19:12] <charlie-tca> That's usually bad
[19:25] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 35minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:40] <jozefk> so many errors and problems. why I don't have some also?
[19:42] <charlie-tca> Not everybody has some
[19:43] <charlie-tca> Some of us insist on doing things that make errors, some don't.
[19:43] <charlie-tca> Mine won't start for two more weeks, when I upgrade to oneiric
[19:44] <jozefk> I just installed 11.04 yesterday and no problems and errors so far
[19:45] <charlie-tca> I think it has very few issues, but for some people they become big problems
[19:47] <Sysi> it has all general linux problems
[19:47] <volga629> blueman
[19:48] <volga629> I looked for solutions, but no result
[19:49] <charlie-tca> volga629: did you try the solution through network manager?
[19:49] <volga629> NMintegration plugin didn't show up in plugin tab
[19:51] <volga629> and in directory .gconfig
[19:52] <Cube``> how do i set the governor from commandline?
[19:54] <volga629> and no any indication for this plugin in all directories of blueman
[20:07] <jozefk> why OS X works better than linux since they are both unix?
[20:08] <charlie-tca> OS X is older, and has paid developers dedicated to it
[20:09] <jozefk> RHEL has paid developers too
[20:09] <drc> Apple can control the hardware the OS/software runs on.
[20:09] <charlie-tca> and you pay to use both
[20:09] <jozefk> microsoft can't control the hardware but it's also works fine
[20:10] <charlie-tca> If it works so fine, why are you using linux?
[20:10] <jozefk> because linux is fun. works fine but malware and viruses are pain in the ass
[20:11] <jozefk> I'm not talking about that now
[20:11] <Kangarooo> jozefk: can u send me virus i want to try getting one
[20:11] <charlie-tca> Microsoft also pays all developers to work on it, and makes it much harder to help them with anything
[20:12] <jozefk> I'm lazy to search for them now Kangarooo and those I have will not do anything to you also since I got them fixed right
[20:12] <drc> jozefk: Search the history of MS major updates (especially drivers), things were not so good until someone (i.e., paid developers) wrote new software
[20:13] <jozefk> linux has paid developers too
[20:13] <jozefk> but for desktop users it's still big difference I would say, than os x for example yeah
[20:13] <Kangarooo> jozefk: if u were able to modify then it wasnt virus. right?
[20:14] <jozefk> I didn't modify. I just burned those exe files on CD :) but if you have good enough antivirus it will be harmless for you.
[20:15] <Kangarooo> lol jozefk virus on windows can be exe. exe cant be virus on linux couse u cant open exe exept on wine
[20:15] <jozefk> I didn't want to say I have virus for linux man
[20:15] <Kangarooo> im using linux u have linux virus?
[20:16] <jozefk> are u reading at all ? :))
[20:16] <Kangarooo> yes (10:10:18 PM) charlie-tca: If it works so fine, why are you using linux? (10:10:50 PM) jozefk: because linux is fun. works fine but malware and viruses are pain in the ass
[20:16] <jozefk> ah sorry. the second sentence was talking about windows :D
[20:17] <jozefk> my bad yeah. you are right
[20:19] <jozefk> actually I thought it was clear that malware and viruses are always going together with windows not linux.
[20:20] <mister_m> where can I get some good themes? Should I be looking for GTK themes? I'm not sure what most of this all means
[20:20] <jozefk> and RHEL is not the only one paid distro
[20:22] <mister_m> like GTK 2.x?
[20:23] <charlie-tca> Okay, before this goes farther, I would request it go to #xubuntu-offtopic
[20:23] <drc> mister_m: http://art.gnome.org/themes/gtk2 for one
[20:24] <jozefk> mister_m, look into Appearance in settings
[20:26] <drc> mister_m: google gtk2+themes...I got 254K hits :)
[20:29] <mister_m> man customizing this stuff is always difficult for me
[20:30] <jozefk> i'm not sure you can do too much things than play with appearance
[20:30] <mister_m> I can never get it right
[20:33] <mister_m> though, it is much easier to customize things on xfce than it is when I used awesome
[20:34] <mister_m> that was a nightmare
[20:34] <jozefk> gnome is even more easier I think. but gnome3 is some new story. don't know
[20:37] <mister_m> I was going to try openbox, but I couldn't figure out how to get the panels working
[20:37] <jozefk> you have some old pc?
[20:38] <mister_m> no, I was just interested in trying some different window managers
[20:39] <mister_m> but all the ones I tried were really hard to configure properly
[20:40] <jozefk> did you try e17?
[20:40] <jozefk> bodhi linux for example
[20:41] <mister_m> nope
[20:41] <jozefk> e17 looks nice it that's what you are looking for
[20:41] <mister_m> I think the problem is that I didn't know what exactly I was looking for
[20:42] <mister_m> awesome was neat - but I couldn't get used to the tiling aspect
[20:42] <jozefk> see bodhi or macpup linux. both with e17. very nice :)
[20:58] <jozefk> !unix
[21:05] <zylinder> Hiya
[21:06] <zylinder> TheSheep: I'm back :)
[21:06] <zylinder> TheSheep: after the system checked my harddrive my notebook froze
[22:36] <Bri0> Hi
[22:36] <charlie-tca> !hi | Bri0
[22:37] <Bri0> I need some help please. I've downloaded Xubuntu 11.04 and everytime I try to install it, at the very end of the installation, it fails
[22:38] <charlie-tca> did you try closing it and restarting anyway?
[22:39] <Bri0> you mean, it didn't ask me to reboot and i have to do it myself  ?
[22:39] <charlie-tca> yup. just close the window, click the upper right corner, and select restart
[22:39] <Bri0> okay, I try !
[22:39] <Bri0> thanks !
[22:39] <charlie-tca> it will then stop for you to take out the cd
[22:40] <charlie-tca> you hit enter after removing the cd, it should be okay
[22:43] <Bri0> it works fine !
[22:44] <Bri0> thank you very much
[22:44] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[22:44] <Bri0> have a good evening !
[22:51] <Cube``> how can i access facebook through a text-based program?
[22:51] <Cube``> ie in the terminal
[22:52] <jeward> Hi, I've just installed xubuntu on my netbook and eve3rything seems fine except vim is not loading the gnupg plugin?
[22:54] <charlie-tca> Cube``: add the pidgin facebook plugin and run it from terminal?
[22:54]  * charlie-tca thinks that was a bad answer
[22:54] <charlie-tca> I don't think that is what you want, though
[22:55] <Cube``> charlie-tca: no, im already talking to people, its xmpp, ie a standard. i want to access the facebook site
[22:55] <Cube``> not chat with people
[22:56] <Cube``> but i thank you for trying to help me charlie-tca
[22:56] <charlie-tca> Cube``: check out newsbeuter if you can do it with an rss feed
[23:18] <charlie-tca> !info yum
[23:19] <Cube``> im looking for a file manager thats still GUI but lighter (ie faster coldstart) than thunar
[23:19] <Cube``> 7[A
[23:22] <charlie-tca> Cube``: I could suggest trying emelfm2, which is gtk, gui, two-panel file-manager. It seems to be lighter than pcmanfm
[23:22] <charlie-tca> but it does not do networking, either
[23:23] <Cube``> charlie-tca: oh really?
[23:23] <Cube``> charlie-tca: what about through .gvfs?
[23:24] <charlie-tca> To the best of my knowledge, it doesn't do it
[23:24] <charlie-tca> maybe I am misinformed, though
 how can i access facebook through a text-based program?
[23:28] <xrdodrx> would atextmode browser like elinks or w3m work?
[23:29] <xrdodrx> for what you want to do
[23:30] <Cube``> xrdodrx: they're both blocked by facebook and would look ugly if they werent
[23:33] <roasted> hello!
[23:33] <xrdodrx> Cube``, you can change elinks' useragent
[23:33] <xrdodrx> might make it work with facebook
[23:34] <xrdodrx> roasted, hi :D
[23:34] <roasted> I'm looking for work friendly (yet decent looking) themes. xfce-look was kind of a let down, unless I missed something
[23:34] <roasted> any specific recommendations?
[23:35] <xrdodrx> roasted, clearlooks, greybird :)
[23:35] <xrdodrx> default distro includes nice themes
[23:35] <roasted> greybird is nice, but man its so mac ish
[23:35] <roasted> at work I think we'll use bluebird. I like that one.
[23:36] <drc> roasted: I use greybird with a Basix WM.
[23:36] <roasted> wait
[23:36] <roasted> I dont think greybird is what I thought was mac ish
[23:36] <drc> roasted: change the WM to BAsiz...makes it more XP'ish :)
[23:36] <xrdodrx> Cube``, add "protocol.http.user_agent Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/4.0.1" to elinks.conf
[23:36] <drc> Basix, that is
[23:36] <charlie-tca> I suppose if one never saw a mac, one would not know the difference?
[23:37] <roasted> ew, yeah. the greybird window manager sucks.
[23:37] <Guiri> Hi. Is there a way to do a network install of Xubuntu for PPC? The disk image for 10.04 doesn't fit onto a CD so I installed kubuntu and then used apt-get to install xubuntu-desktop. I'm getting a ton of errors now though.
[23:37] <xrdodrx> roasted, :(
[23:37] <charlie-tca> Guiri: ppc was discontinued in natty for Xubuntu
[23:37] <roasted> the greybird theme is nice tho
[23:37] <xrdodrx> xfce is the whole point of /x/ubuntu
[23:38] <Guiri> 10.04 is an LTS, right?
[23:38] <xrdodrx> I don't know why you'd use it if you don't like xfce
[23:39] <roasted> axiomd is kind of nice
[23:39] <charlie-tca> I tend to go with greybird and clearlooks, myself, with Defcon-IV for the window manager theme when in clearlooks
[23:39] <roasted> bluebird is what I want to use at work for the students
[23:39] <roasted> but I like a little more eye candy :P
[23:39] <roasted> but some themes make me sick to use after just a few minutes time
[23:39] <xrdodrx> I like xfce-dusk
[23:40] <charlie-tca> so, you want a work theme but with eye-candy?
[23:40] <roasted> charlie-tca, is that too much to ask? :(
[23:40] <xrdodrx> roasted, they're mutually exclusive
[23:40] <roasted> xfce dusk is nice. is there a way to tone down the white text?
[23:40] <charlie-tca> eye-candy is not really work theme material
[23:41] <roasted> charlie-tca, I'm just looking for a theme that A - looks good, B - doesn't suck, C - looks semi work friendly.
[23:41] <roasted> I'm sure there's an option out there.
[23:41] <charlie-tca> I'm sure there is one. I just don't have any suggestion for it, since my themes are pretty plain and functional
[23:42] <xrdodrx> charlie-tca, since we're in a support room now do you think you could help me a bit with that thunar workaround :)
[23:42] <xrdodrx> it takes ~1:20 to start on my netbook :\
[23:43] <charlie-tca> you could try putting        thunar --daemon in autostart
[23:43] <charlie-tca> it will start slower logging in, but thunar will be faster.
[23:43] <charlie-tca> There are a couple of alternate file managers too, emelfm2 is good if you don't need networking through it
[23:43] <xrdodrx> gvfsd is indeed running
[23:43] <charlie-tca> gvfsd needs to be running
[23:44] <xrdodrx> is it the 'bottleneck'?
[23:44] <drc> roasted: /usr/share/themes has the config files for the themes/WM...if you feel brave you can edit any of them ;)
[23:44] <charlie-tca> We don't know for sure what the issue is exactly yet
[23:45] <roasted> drc, nice. I've edited some themes before. what sits there though, just the default theme config files?
[23:46] <drc> roasted: It looks like all the theme/appearences and window mangers (155 items in the folder)
[23:46] <charlie-tca> xrdodrx: I leave thunar running in a separate workspace all the time, so I don't see the slowdown
[23:46] <roasted> drc, nice. maybe I could customize one
[23:46] <drc> roasted: I did today...
[23:47] <roasted> drc, looks just like preinstalled ones tho
[23:47] <xrdodrx> charlie-tca, I've added thunar --daemon to my autostart, thanks for the tip :D I'll see if it has a positive effect next reboot
[23:47] <roasted> not ones I manually add
[23:47] <drc> changed the background color to be more eye-friendly (i.e., not #FFFFFF)
[23:47] <roasted> lets see how well my atom responds to some serious gimp-age
[23:48] <xrdodrx> roasted, mine doesn't respond well xD
[23:48] <roasted> I'm gutsy. we'll try it anywya :P
[23:49] <xrdodrx> roasted, I can't tell if it's the placebo effect or not, but my netbook seems more responsive/faster on xubuntu 11.04 than ubuntu lucid or maverick
[23:49] <xrdodrx> :)
[23:49] <roasted> xrdodrx, I'm running Ubuntu 11.04 on a CR-48. I installed Xubuntu-Desktop.
[23:50] <roasted> Unity is by no means slow on Netbook hardware, but XFCE is definitely a bit faster.
[23:50] <xrdodrx> hp mini 110-3000 here
[23:50] <roasted> Unity gave me a 1-2 second lag when I populated "all programs" in my dashboard. The issue is, I have a TON of programs installed.
[23:50] <roasted> My Core 2 Duo laptop is wicked fast on Unity. Real solid. But I don't want to deploy Unity with as new as it is, and XFCE has a proven track record, so I put XFC Eon my netbook since we have some netbooks.
[23:50] <roasted> I wanted to use what I might deploy. So here I am on Ubuntu 11.04 w/ XFCE. :D
[23:50] <drc> roasted: Maybe the themes you installed yourself are in ~/.themes ?
[23:51] <roasted> drc, yeah, they are. :)
[23:51] <xrdodrx> roasted, I can't use unity because of its lack of panel applets. I absolutely need a brightless applet and a cpu/ram/network load applet doesn't hurt :)
[23:52] <roasted> xrdodrx, well, let's be fair here. Unity is very young and very new. I'm giving it time to mature. I've used it extensively and I loved it, whereas I originally hated it. I ate my words, but it's still too new to deploy.
[23:52] <roasted> I don't want to push something onto 2,000 systems that's 5 weeks old. ya know?
[23:52] <drc> roasted: They're only kids, what to they know ;)
[23:52] <xrdodrx> roasted, I hear ya, I don't find any fault with unity but it's linux and we have choice, and Shuttleworth himself said Unity will never have a customizable panel
[23:53] <xrdodrx> and I don't choose unity :)
[23:53] <roasted> xrdodrx, I don't know. I spoke to Shuttleworth in an IRC questionaire thing. He said there's more to come with customizability.
[23:53] <roasted> But that they wanted to keep it very thin for now to stabilize.
[23:54] <roasted> hmm
[23:54] <xrdodrx> roasted, http://www.webupd8.org/2010/06/unity-panel-wont-allow-any-kind-of.html
[23:54] <roasted> a slight edit of my theme and I love it a whole lot more
[23:54] <xrdodrx> they're going to allow customizations to things that aren't the panel, probably
[23:56] <roasted> I think I found a theme I might stick with
[23:57] <roasted> axiomd, with slightly darker main background
[23:57] <roasted> the lighter gray is too light imo, clashes with the not-so-pure-white-text