=== `mOOse` is now known as m00se [03:09] hello, folks, i have a strange issue with my laptop Xubuntu 11.04. after a few hours of working i drop out of session and some radeon problem is on screen, of course i can't make a screenshot of it. and also laptop gets very hot. i've been on maverick gnome for a year, and never had such problems. [03:10] can it be 2.6.38-8 issue? [03:10] can you write down the error? [03:10] Guest8231: Or check syslog/other logs? [03:11] bin_bash well, probably i will have it in few hours again and make a photo of it. [03:11] Unit193, how? [03:11] cd /var/logs/ [03:12] then type [03:12] ls [03:12] and check out [03:12] xorg.0.log [03:12] cd /var/logs [03:12] bash: cd: /var/logs: No such file or directory [03:12] /var/log/ [03:12] ok [03:12] cd /var/log/ [03:15] opened in gedit and i'm not sure it's here [03:18] bin_bash, ok, when it happens again, i'll take a photo and come back here and post it on imagebin [03:19] k [03:20] one last quest. i recently installed 2.6.39 rc4 and wireless stopped working. now it's ok, i returned to 2.6.38 and brcm80211 is used. will it be fixed in new kernel releases? === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [04:54] I just did a fresh install of 11.04 and for some reason I can't get the power manager to come up [04:54] for my laptop battery. the icon is non existent === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [06:39] hi [06:45] problem with parole media player [07:55] hi all,.. [07:55] i want to change the network proxy on my xubuntu, how can i do that? [08:06] risd, i'm not an advanced xfce user, so i suggest that u change ur proxy settigns in a preferred browser. w8 until somebody else can respond ur question. [08:07] just this side of installing xubuntu (been an ubuntu user for a year)...where is the quick guide to help me transition? [08:07] just about to install xubuntu..sorry the first part of that question got lost.. [08:09] to recap: me=gnome user about to try xfce...resources? [08:09] Cuchulainn, u wanna install xubuntu, right? what exactly is the difficulty? [08:10] lemraish, no difficulty...am gnome user, tried kde, and want to transition to xfce, on accounta gnome unity move in natty...just looking for the resource or two that will help make said transition smoother, as opposed to not? [08:11] lemraish, isntalling xubuntu right now, almost finished.. [08:12] xfce is so simple you shouldn't have much problems [08:13] Sysi, thanks...that's what i'm hoping...i found kde nice looking, but i will admit that the change was a little frustrating at first.. [08:13] much options - it can be about anything [08:14] Sysi, sounds like you know it...about ten mins left, then i'm sure that i'll have ??s..just trying to have it all queued up by then.. [08:16] Sysi, a little off topic...you ever had to produce much documentation? [08:17] i've done quite little docs, i now would need to write short guide "from ubuntu to fedora" [08:17] Cuchulainn, if u have questions, just get here and people will try to help ya. don't worry. i recently transfered to maverick myself. it's ok. and i'm even surprised with some things here, which were not present in gnome. [08:18] yeah, like window manager settings [08:18] from* maverick [08:18] and hotkey settings [08:18] and configurable notifications )) [08:19] and not working emerald O:-) [08:19] Sysi, well i'm producing (perish the thought) microsoft docs, for work, and am having trouble documenting the winkey...i have a graphic, but for ease of entry want to turn it into font... [08:19] !emerald | lemraish [08:19] lemraish: emerald is an obsolete window decorator for compiz. It's unsupported and unmaintained, making issues with it very hard to diagnose and fix. There are no known, supported alternatives. [08:20] thx, Sysi ))) [08:20] but emerald was cool...still using it for mav.. [08:21] it wasn't bad, compiz settings were [08:21] compiz is broken in natty...for sure [08:21] bugsy [08:21] well, i was stupid enough to remove maverick after xubuntu natty installation )) [08:22] Cuchulainn, exactly. i still can't get compiz working with xfwm [08:22] it has never worked with xfwm, use it's decorator plugin [08:22] Sysi, u mean gtk-window-decorator? [08:22] lemraish, almost made that same mistake...but fortunately have a netbook to use as testbed.. [08:23] lemraish: no, compiz-window-decorator-plugin [08:24] i don't know how to use it but it's used with unity [08:24] fiddle with ccsm [08:24] Sysi, oh. :-O and i also should use it with --replace under ccsm's window decoration section? [08:25] no idea [08:25] Sysi, i'll explore this now, thanks :-) [08:26] Sysi, it is, but beware, you can really hose it if not careful...i only know cause i inadvertantly broke it so hard it had to be reinstalled.. [08:26] i twice shortly tried compiz with 9.04 and back then emerald worked, with 11.04 i've heard in irc that it doesn't and unity uses compiz-plugin [08:28] ccsm works great through 10.10.. [08:30] IMO xfwm is best things in xfce, gnome got metacity as good just recently with gnome3, kwin has a bit more options [08:31] gnome3?..me=ignorant...do go on? [08:32] ubuntu doesn't have it, for the firtst time ever ubuntu lacks the newest gnome [08:33] http://gnome3.org/ [08:33] mint then?...debian? [08:34] fedora, arch [08:34] debian sid maybe, dunno about mint [08:34] Sysi, u know i would use xfwm compositing with pleasure, but it doesn't have transparency within _active_ window. that's why i would like to use compiz [08:34] lemraish: alt+scroll on window title [08:35] Sysi, will it be saved after reboot? )) [08:36] i guess no [08:36] for what window do you need that? [08:36] Sysi, for a few apps )) [08:36] i always used it on maverick with a dak gtk theme, it looked awesome [08:37] Sysi, tried to download fedora all day today, and apparently the server isnt up to snuff...i'll admit my connex. isn't the best, but everywhere else was recoverable.. [08:37] may be there's way to add transparency on constant basis through editing some configs? [08:37] Sysi, is Arch worth the effort? [08:39] lemraish: you maybe could do something with devilspie [08:39] i don't like arch very much [08:39] Cuchulainn, it's worth if u have time )) [08:40] Sysi, what's this? [08:40] program for settings custom stuff to windows [08:41] on arch, big effor to set it to defaults of every other distro and package manager had stupid command syntax, and i didn't like AUR [08:42] lemraish, if you say, i'll figger out how to make the time...thanks.. [08:43] Cuchulainn, but be ready for difficulties. )) thought arch is the most lightweight distro i've ever seen. btw, u could also try opensuse 11.4 it's a recent edition and still has gnome 2.32. [08:44] Sysi, gotta be at work soon, so thanks for the response.. [08:44] lemraish: it's not lighter than minimal ubuntu installation [08:44] just easier to make/keep it light [08:46] Sysi, well, i never tried this one :-) well, ubuntu was always lightweight for me. [08:46] yup [08:46] lemraish, wasn't real thrilled with opensuse, not to contradict..looked nice, but outofthebox functionality was sh*t, from my limited experience,,,plus it seemed to run super slow... [08:47] but then again, i only ran it as VM...anyway...thanks all for the advice.. [08:47] Cuchulainn, the only thing slow in opensuse was always zypper - package manager. have a good time -) [10:15] o/ [11:24] i don;t see serbian cyrillic keyboard. how can add that one? [11:31] maybe like this http://www.gate2home.com/?language=sr lol [11:46] morning anyone awake [11:50] maybe ... come back later [12:05] i wish people learned to ask [12:24] folks, how do i apply a kernel patch? i downloaded a.bz2 file [12:25] may i first ask what do you need it for, some driver? [12:26] really why we don't have cyrillic keyboard in xfce? [12:26] nope, just interest :-) except, i'm hoping that it will improve performance and solve my strange problem with dropping out of session after a few hours of work and reduce battery usage. [12:28] jozefk: at least russian should be cyrillic [12:28] and prevent my laptop to be hot so much. to be honest i think that 11.04 is not that stable yet. as maverick was, for example. [12:28] yes but russian keyboard is different than serbian [12:29] and some characters are also different [12:29] jozefk, u do have it. install package xfce-goodies. it'll install keyboard applet for panel. there u can switch layout [12:31] I can switch without applet. but I can't add serbian cyrillic coz it's not existing. actually this is first time I see serbian cyrillic is missing in linux distro. because usually ONLY cyrillic is available for serbian language [12:31] since it's the official one now. latin was there before because of Croatia. which is separate country now... [12:32] monetenegro's keyboard is what I can use if want to type serbian latin [12:32] u can add a layout in settings manager -> keyboard -> layout tab [12:32] it must be there [12:32] jozefk: croatia layout doesn't work? [12:32] I added but latin only. there is no cyrillic for serbian [12:32] i see it available [12:32] lemraish: please write complete words [12:32] aaahh [12:32] croatia is latin only :) [12:33] how about login screen? [12:33] or you could ask #xfce [12:33] is that question for me? [12:33] yes [12:34] the OS is in english. I just need to type on serbian sometimes [12:34] may be there must be an additional lang pack with cyrillic support? [12:35] Hey all, there is an applet to monitoring the temps of the cpu and mb like the lm-sensors for gnome? Thanks in advance! [12:35] andre_, right click and add and find it there [12:35] andre_: panel apllet you mean? [12:35] there are more than one I think [12:35] andre_ xfce-goodies package [12:36] or you can use gnome applets through xfapplet [12:36] I didn't install those goodies and I have the applets [12:36] jozefk, you mean installed by default? i cant find anything! [12:36] lemraish, thanks i'll try! [12:36] yes for me they are installed by default [12:36] np [12:40] Sysi, so don't u know, how to install a kernel patch in ubuntu? or there are some all distros instructions? [12:41] u doesn't know [12:42] aaahh. got you :-) [12:42] sorry, it's just a whole life addiction [12:42] (neither do i) [12:43] i guess if there are instructions, google finds them [12:43] u instead you and r instead are :-) [12:44] i just thought there are ubuntu specific instructions. thanks [12:44] those too [12:45] btw, if i install a vanilla kernel, will it break the system? )) [12:45] what is the command to check for updates ? [12:45] vanilla icecream [12:45] it seems that my cpu sensors it always says 46 C°, is that a bug or? [12:45] sudo apt-get update [12:45] then sudo apt-get upgrade [12:46] thanks [12:46] np [12:46] andre_: run sudo sensors-detect [12:47] ansver yes to everything [12:47] ok [12:47] so that just checks for update/upgrade [12:47] lemraish: depending about drivers you use and how well you can set it up, it should work well [12:47] apt-get upgrade install updates but it asks before it [12:48] ahh [12:48] Sysi, i use only opensource drivers - radeon and brcm80211. [12:49] Sysi, i've done, now it should works? [12:49] you need to modprobe modules it wanted or reboot and then see if it works [12:50] k i'll try rebooting, brb! thanks btw [12:50] np [12:52] Sysi, thanks, bb. i'll try it now. [12:54] now it works, thanks! :) [13:21] too much breakage [13:24] download kills itself [13:26] exceeds size limits [13:29] now what [13:30] ? [13:31] anyone [13:32] what's the issue [13:32] exceeds size limits [13:33] dvanstone, please clarify, all on one line [13:33] it exceeded download size limits [13:34] what is "it"; explain what you are trying to do [13:34] update [13:35] paste.ubuntu.com with the command and the full error and give us the url [13:36] yeah I get right on that [13:39] resize partition needed brb [14:56] Xubuntu community meeting today at 19:00 UTC in #xubuntu-devel. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [15:53] ok, that was weird... started up this morning & no xfwm4 loaded... [15:53] just use Alt+F2, xfwm4 [15:57] yeah, but took me a while to figure out what was going on... it's a monday & i have my trip on my mind [15:57] kind of odd that it would "suddenly" not be loading... added it to session start [16:00] guys, how do i connect to previously used wireless networks using the command line only without having to type in passwords but using the ones that are saved anyways just like the GUI NetworkManager (the nm-applet) in particular uses? [16:00] good question [16:00] I did not think you could from the cli [16:01] you can do with cnetworkmanager [16:01] but you cant used saved pws [16:01] you got to be like "cnetworkmanager -C SSID --wpa-pass=PASSWORD" [16:04] create alias for it [16:05] alias connectwifi='command --arguments' into ~/.bashrc [16:05] Sysi: well of course, for that particular one, but i want a general solution [16:05] ok thanks [16:05] i happen to know how to do aliases :) [16:05] i don't know there to be any [16:05] unless nmcli can do it, if cnetworkmanager doesn't offer anything [16:07] hm [16:14] 'to install xubuntu restricted extras libavodec52, and libacutil50 must be uninstalled', is it okay to proceed with this? [16:16] Xubuntu-restricted-extras is a meta-package. After installing it, you can remove it without removing everything else, and reinstall those if you need them [16:16] charlie-tca: ubuntu-software-centre reports 'failed to download.... check your internet connection', my internet connection is fine and i've tried twice now [16:17] Then open terminal, type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras [16:17] and hit enter [16:19] charlie-tca: there is also a xubuntu-restricted-addons, which seems to do the same sort of thing as xubuntu-restricted-extras [16:20] hm, is that 11.04? [16:21] charlie-tca: yes, xubuntu-restricted-addons also failed to download, something wrong with software centre, will use apt-get [16:21] That package just came out in 10.10, I think it will replace -extras. It is a way to use ubuntu-restricted-extras to hold all the packages, and still separate them for each distro [16:22] charlie-tca: so go with the addons one then? [16:23] I still like -extras myself [16:23] i know i can try both if needs be, problem is with some streaming radio as per http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1763303 [16:23] charlie-tca: extras it is then [16:24] I would have to examine both packages to see the differences [16:25] charlie-tca: http://pastebin.com/ncYuQvzr [16:25] please see the errors at the end, maybe something is up with the repo? [16:26] --fix-missing = Unable to correct missing packages. [16:27] Your archive site is down, temporary - http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu [16:27] is not found for most of the updates [16:28] either try http://archive.ubuntu.com or wait a couple of hours and try again. [16:28] That's probably why software center failed too [16:28] It is just not giving the error messages [16:29] Software Center hides the error messages, and just gives some easy to read thing when it fails [16:34] charlie-tca: would this also cause the same problem for sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install tor tor-geoipdb [16:34] even though i added tor's own repo? [16:34] yup [16:34] it could [16:34] It might be a connection issue [16:34] i guess i'll have to stop tweaking xubuntu for aehile :) [16:34] there seems to always be something to tweak [16:35] Give it a couple of hours. [16:35] charlie-tca: have you confirmed the repo is down from your end, and it's not something i'm doing wrong? [16:35] or a firewall issue etc etc [16:35] Not yet. I am in a meeting right now, give me a few minutes, please. [16:35] charlie-tca: nps [16:35] and ty for your help thus far [16:36] no problem [16:41] dusf: you don't have medibuntu archive? [16:43] You should add this to sources - deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ natty free non-free [16:43] !medibuntu [16:43] medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org [16:52] *click* [16:54] charlie-tca: will i use the two commands at the top of http://www.medibuntu.org/repository.php ? [16:55] Add to the bottom of /etc/apt/sources.list - deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ natty free non-free [16:56] nm [16:57] dusf: copy / paste the top command in terminal, it will add the repository and the gpg key for you [16:58] dusf: you can copy/paste the second command in terminal to add the stuff to the Software Center [16:58] but do the first command first [16:59] charlie-tca: thanks, looking good :) [16:59] but... [16:59] but? [17:00] fail [17:00] what failed? [17:01] charlie-tca: http://pastebin.com/j3ZQ3em8 [17:03] charlie-tca: 16:47 < thethomaseffect> I've been getting en-ie 404s for a good while [17:03] it may just be the Irish servers? [17:03] same error. The mirror is down [17:04] Try changing servers. It looks like ie.archive is down [17:04] charlie-tca: i'm asking him to clarify 'a good while' [17:05] good idea [17:07] I think you could try using de, or gb instead of ie [17:18] charlie-tca: it's the exact same software though, right? also, what's the best way to change? [17:18] right [17:19] you have to change it in /etc/apt/sources.list by editing it. You can do that using sudo mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list [17:19] !repositories [17:19] The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories [17:20] might help; have not read it [17:20] charlie-tca: there are a lot of 'ie's in there [17:20] I know [17:21] all those ie.archive.ubuntu.com will need to be changed [17:22] is it uk or gb? someone is telling me that changing them will defeat the purpose of stats [17:22] dusf: easy way == search/replace ie.archive.ubuntu.com with archive.ubuntu.com [17:23] It will at least yet you install new software. If it screws stats up, that is a side effect to the mirror being down [17:23] charlie-tca: i've encountered this woman before, she's very pro ubuntu stats in ireland lol :D [17:23] Don't tell, then they won't say anything [17:24] ask her how to get the mirror fixed fast [17:24] since you can't install until it is, if you don't change mirrors [17:25] muhaha [17:25] she says it's going on weeks, and i'll only get 404 at some hours of the day [17:25] Tell her that's not good enough [17:26] Since you don't what the hours are, how do you decide what is the okay times? [17:26] lol [17:26] indeed :) [18:15] I have problem with blueman on MAverick NMintegration don't show in plugin tab tried reinstall and remove all directories under blueman [18:17] Blueman version 1.21 [18:22] i don't know what blueman is [18:22] but will try to help you if i can [18:22] !blueman [18:22] this GTK manager for bluetooth [18:23] Soupermanito, how is your notebook today? :) [18:23] !info blueman [18:23] blueman (source: blueman): A Graphical bluetooth manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.21-4.1build1 (natty), package size 423 kB, installed size 2680 kB [18:24] jozefk, was my sisters and it runs smoothly whit win7 now [18:25] yes and on Maverick I can't make Network Manager Integration plugin to work it show in plugin tab, but it is not there and I checked for log and no any specific error [18:27] http://pastebin.com/XeCyS4Bn [18:30] Does anyone else have lagging in xubuntu 11.04 with firefox 4? [18:30] and I was thinking how much faster it is now [18:31] philippe: negative, quite the opposite. [18:32] I just upgraded from 10.10 and firefox scrolling is laggy :( [18:35] hi it seems that i cannot use the key crtl+f11 within a program but it seems to has no global function and i cannot see any options involving this key combination [18:36] hi i havent been testing and reporting for long time. how could i understand to witch package should report. for example ubuntu-bug to witch package if bug is: 1.) Far left side of vertical scrollbar cant be clicked- taked in action. [18:36] bios__: might be limited by the old key layout which ended at F10 in that application [18:37] f11 is working fine [18:37] just in combination with crtl [18:37] weird [18:38] Kangarooo: how do you define the far left of the scrollbar? There is no longer an edge there in greybird [18:39] ou right side [18:39] hm, not a bug, really. It is the final pixel before the border, right? [18:40] i wrote wrong. scrollbar is on right side and far right side is edge of screen and its easy to move mouse to end and start using crollbar [18:40] The scrollbar is usable, but the final pixel before the border is not part of it [18:41] You could report a wishlist against artwork - ubuntu-bug xubuntu-artwork [18:42] well that final pixel could be made as also clickable- ok ill report. is there someways i can try understand to where report? [18:42] another example 2.) sound muted on clean install. Btw i found this bug reported in launchpad but in case it wouldnt be reported then how? right clicking on sound icon on panel i see info - Indicator plugin. so then ubuntu-bug indicator-*other* there is but not indicator-plugin [18:43] The fact that Ubuntu does not want anything left for scrolling doesn't mean Xubuntu will follow that rule [18:43] sound is reported against linux [18:43] indicator is not the cause, it is in the kernel [18:43] if there would be better way to understand how to report then launchpad would have more people affected by bugs.. just a thought :) [18:44] yes.. ok ill try to think some ideas about this [18:44] This explains really well how to report bugs and even how to find the packages - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs [18:46] found this report https://bugs.launchpad.net/blueman/+bug/660373 [18:46] Ubuntu bug 660373 in Blueman "DUN connection not registered in Network Manager" [Undecided,Confirmed] [18:46] :-( [18:47] Add a comment that it is not working for you, include your release (xubuntu 10.10) information, too. [18:47] I will look at the bug for missing info [18:47] right now the question how to make working without NM on this moment [18:51] o ouh- BUG. try sudo apt-get install aptitude && sudo aptitude purge gimp thunderbird . then he asks questions about dependecies on xubuntu-desktop [18:52] Not a bug [18:52] gimp and thunderbird are defaults for xubuntu-desktop. [18:52] so it will not mess up system if i press something wrong? once i had something like that [18:53] 1 or 2y ago i messed all up with similar situation [18:53] If you are just installing aptitude, you have to let it install before you can use it. [18:53] If Xubuntu-desktop is removed, it needs to be reinstalled to upgrade to the next release [18:53] and that will install whatever is needed for it [18:54] 1 && 2 means finish 1 then do 2 right? or just & ? [18:54] It is not a bug if aptitude refuses to allow you to screw things up [18:54] I don't know. I would never add something not yet installed to the line, myself [18:55] i like aptitude couse it also removes unneeded programms witch were needed only to programm that depends on the one im trying to remove. should i better use just apt-get ? [18:55] u can put command && comand && command && they && will execute && each after another [18:56] 1st finishing then doing only next [18:56] whatever the outcome is it will then do next after && [18:58] Kangarooo: apt-get does the same thing [18:58] The point is even if aptitude fails to install, it will attempt to run the next command anyway [18:58] hmm, dunno, never had apt-get fail, so i dunno. [18:59] Why is it in XFCE I have random freezes with my screen saver? I didn't have this issue in gnome but I came back to my laptop that was plugged into AC power for an hour and my screen saver had locked it. [18:59] My screen saver was not animated or moving on the screen. it just stopped. [18:59] KM0201: aptitude does more [18:59] different screensavers? [18:59] charlie-tca, yes. I have a monitor on my laptop - different screensaver was on each monitor. [18:59] i guess.. [18:59] could that be it? [19:00] could [19:00] charlie-tca: yes even if command1 && com2 and if command1 fails it will after end of command1 do immidiattly com2 [19:00] also, is there a way to make my darn monitor be used as extended instead of cloned by default? In Ubuntu it just auto detects my stuff, whereas xubuntu clones ti by default with no way to save the profile. [19:00] yes, and command 1 is to install aptitude which command2 requires [19:01] Roasted: arandr [19:01] charlie-tca, using it. [19:01] can I save the profile somehow? [19:01] charlie-tca: yes and it will execute and outcome will be then- no such command :) [19:01] Don't use it, myself. Hope someone else can answer it [19:01] er wait. is arandr the same as "multiple monitors" under system? [19:01] cause arandr does nothing when I open it. nothing. [19:01] yet "multiple screens" works great, I just can't save the profile [19:02] !arandr [19:02] !info arandr [19:02] arandr (source: arandr): Simple visual front end for XRandR 1.2. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.3-1 (natty), package size 43 kB, installed size 280 kB [19:03] okay [19:03] not sure [19:03] haha k, wasn't sure what I was supposed to do with that info [19:03] :P [19:03] try running arandr in a terminal and see if they are same [19:06] I get an "AssertionError" [19:12] in terminal? [19:12] That's usually bad [19:25] Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 35minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [19:40] so many errors and problems. why I don't have some also? [19:42] Not everybody has some [19:43] Some of us insist on doing things that make errors, some don't. [19:43] Mine won't start for two more weeks, when I upgrade to oneiric [19:44] I just installed 11.04 yesterday and no problems and errors so far [19:45] I think it has very few issues, but for some people they become big problems [19:47] it has all general linux problems [19:47] blueman [19:48] I looked for solutions, but no result [19:49] volga629: did you try the solution through network manager? [19:49] NMintegration plugin didn't show up in plugin tab [19:51] and in directory .gconfig [19:52] how do i set the governor from commandline? [19:54] and no any indication for this plugin in all directories of blueman [20:07] why OS X works better than linux since they are both unix? [20:08] OS X is older, and has paid developers dedicated to it [20:09] RHEL has paid developers too [20:09] Apple can control the hardware the OS/software runs on. [20:09]