[00:11] DasKreech, http://xkcd.com/323/ [00:11] :-D === yofel_ is now known as yofel [09:59] hey all... i have a problem which i suspect is with ubuntu rather than being kubuntu-specific... any one got a moment to hear me out and share their thoughts/advice? [10:00] padams: sure [10:00] apachelogger: thanks, dude.... [10:01] apachelogger: so i have installed natty onto a brand new hp pavillion dm4 laptop.... [10:02] i am getting very poor battery life.... problem #1 was knotify4 was chewing up CPU... i switched the phonon backend gstreamer to VLC and /that/ problem went away [10:02] but i am still getting very poor battery performance.... [10:03] padams: any information in powertop? [10:03] so if i turn off wifi and bluetooth, powertop tells me that i am getting about 24 wakeups a second... which is very respectible [10:03] (also FTR: knotify4 & phonon gstreamer is a knotify bug as it does not switch the backend to stoppped ;)) [10:04] top tells me that pretty much nothing is chewing CPU [10:04] here is where it gets weird..... [10:04] so top shows nothing really using the CPU (because the laptop is just sitting doing nothing)... but yet the load average stays above 1 permanently [10:05] padams: anything interesting in iotop maybe? === hunger_ is now known as hunger [10:08] oooooh iotop... new to me... /me goes to look [10:09] iotop is awesome [10:09] what should i be looking for? i am mostly looking at 0s. every now an then kontact pops up [10:10] also jbd2/sda3-8 - whatever that is [10:10] use 'iotop -o -d 5', that's more readable [10:12] apachelogger: someone somewhere in the world got their package :P [10:12] yay... hard total crash :( [10:13] 1021 be/3 root 0.00 B/s 813.98 B/s 0.00 % 1.50 % [jbd2/sda3-8] <- appears every other refresh. sometimes pidgin appears, too with similar figures. but that is about it [10:13] padams: jbd2 is the journal block device for ext4 [10:13] jussi: about blink .... where do i put it? and would you like to test the bin out first? [10:13] padams: not io related then, 1.5 does not strike me as terribly high io load [10:13] shadeslayer: pop it into its own ppa [10:14] padams: what graphics driver do you have? [10:14] jussi: i was thinking of creating a team and then putting in the ppa there [10:14] s/driver/driver and chip [10:14] shadeslayer: perfect [10:14] apachelogger: it is an i5 processor... so it will be whatever the onboard intel magic is [10:14] kubotu: now you dont sed anymore, you are a broken piece of software my friend [10:14] will do in a couple of minutes [10:15] shadeslayer: rock on. have you tried it on your own machine yet? [10:15] padams: are you sure? I think there are pavillion dm4 with ATI [10:16] padams: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep drivers [10:16] [ 15.539] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so [10:16] [ 15.539] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so [10:16] [ 15.539] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.so [10:16] [ 15.541] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so [10:17] should not be a graphics power management problem then [10:18] shadeslayer: I will mail carol, mine is not here yet [10:18] I think they forgot about me [10:18] padams: I am running low on ideas here ^^ [10:18] http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/24/2011-05-24_11-37-17_362_Oulu.jpg <- Anyone know why that would come up on my screen? [10:19] apachelogger: me, too. that is why i thought i would ask :( [10:19] I mean [10:20] it is not anything userspace or it would show up in powertop, it is not anything io or it would show up in iotop, it is likely not a graphics PM issue as that ought ot work with intel [10:20] perhaps kerneltop could help, you'll need to boot with kernel cmdline arg profile=4 or so to use it [10:21] that will allow you to take a look at the ticks caused in the kernel functions [10:21] alrighty - at which point it is definitely not a kubuntu issue anyhow [10:21] it would be nice to get more than 2.5 hours out of this supposedly 6.5 hour battery :) [10:23] yeah, probably a kernel issue from what we know [10:23] incidentially we used almost all top-like apps I know of ^^ [10:23] although [10:24] xrestop, iftop, htop I know as well [10:24] on that note htop is far superior to top [10:24] ScottK: actually, what do you think about replacing top with htop in the default setup? [10:24] htop is so much more usable IMHO [10:25] even I use htop [10:25] jussi: your kernel crapped out [10:25] wow, running xchat on windows in avast! sandbox ;D [10:25] that's sick :D [10:25] apachelogger: yeah, Im in -kernel asking about it now :) [10:26] quassel runs on the windows [10:26] jussi: just like everytime I see a kernel go kap0tt ... I blame X :P [10:26] apachelogger: really? well, i'm always running konvi [10:26] let try quassel [10:26] konvi runs on windows? [10:26] groovy [10:26] quassel <3 [10:27] quassel++ [10:27] I mean, it probably does with billions and billions of kde packages installed [10:27] that IMHO is one of the sore spots with kde on windows [10:27] I love that the quassel for windows is a portable binary [10:27] + the installer is scary to begin with [10:27] look what the cat dragged in: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1765479 [10:28] sheytan: you realize xchat has a windows bin :P [10:28] apachelogger konvi, as a part of KDE propably run on windows, but i meant konvi as my default irc client in kubuntu. I'm using wincrap only at work ;/ [10:28] but that will change soon :D [10:29] ah well, I am not suggesting you should switch to quassel, just that it would be a very viable option for windows [10:29] apachelogger: look at the 6th comment [10:29] I do not compute that at all [10:30] "I wish they could get a very lean Kubuntu that can run totally in RAM." [10:30] what is that even supposed to mean? [10:30] our live cd essentially runs totally in RAM === sheytan_ is now known as sheytan [10:31] here i am :D [10:31] quassl0r [10:31] oh, actually that almost was proper german [10:31] s/proper/"proper" [10:31] kubotu: are you mad at me? [10:31] kubotu: help sed [10:31] Fix the previous sentence using regexp and a sed-like syntax. Supported delimiters are /|,! and the modifier "g". Grouping is supported via parens, and backreferencing is done via \1 \2 and so on. You don't have to directly address the bot. Examples: hello s/e/u/ [10:32] hello [10:32] s/e/u [10:32] ah [10:32] s/e/u/ [10:32] apachelogger: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" [10:32] apachelogger it have to be quasslER to be german :D [10:32] kubotu: when did you grow actual syntax support? [10:32] sheytan: that is what I said [10:33] quassl0r is the leet way of saying quassler, obviously I am leet [10:33] I can name some 7 top apps and their use cases :P [10:33] come to think of it [10:33] valorie: you are still up? :O [10:34] lol [10:34] IN A MINUTE [10:34] geez! [10:34] ^^ [10:34] * apachelogger hugs valorie [10:34] I might have my headphones working again! [10:34] woooooo [10:34] shadeslayer: so what is in the welcome package? [10:35] * valorie hugs back [10:35] will I get a unicorn? [10:35] apachelogger: someone got it [10:35] shadeslayer if you're from the future, can you tell me; will I ever be rich? :D [10:35] a couple of people have [10:35] google surely could send out some unicorns [10:35] shadeslayer: and they did not tell? [10:35] sheytan: i'm not that far in the future [10:35] :P [10:35] last year instead of everyone going crazy about not getting the package everyone got crazy about what might be in the package [10:35] shadeslayer, if you be, please ping me :D [10:35] sure :D [10:35] it is the madest thing [10:35] apachelogger: hahahaha [10:36] sheytan: I think shadeslayer is just withholding information [10:36] you could say that .... "Knowing your future destroys you" [10:37] "kubuntu finger theme" [10:37] I wonder what that is [10:37] 0.o [10:37] someone asked lord google for it and ended up on my blog [10:37] * apachelogger knows everything [10:38] perhaps a touch friendly theme? [10:38] jussi: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/blink_0.2.6_all.deb [10:38] try it out [10:38] apachelogger: everything? could you help me with this rash that i have.... [10:38] that will install with only whats in the repos ? [10:38] shadeslayer: did you make that? [10:39] jussi: you wanted the one from darcs? [10:39] Depends: python (>= 2.5), python-support (>= 0.90.0), python-application (>= 1.2.5), python-cjson, python-eventlet-0.8, python-qt4 (>= 4.7), python-sipsimple (>= 0.18.1), python-twisted-core, python-zope.interface [10:39] l'impossible [10:39] we do not have sipsimple and half the other crap int here [10:39] apachelogger: no i didn't .. :P [10:39] shadeslayer: we had the one from darcs [10:39] it cannot be installed [10:39] -.- [10:40] herp derp [10:40] padams: put some cold coffee on it [10:40] i need to get rid of prelink crapz [10:40] apachelogger: i will wait for my mug to cool down :) [10:41] ^^ [10:41] shadeslayer: http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/23/how-well-can-you-code-qt-for-meego-enter-the-qt-wetab-app-challenge/ [10:41] make some code happen [10:41] O_O [10:41] zomg [10:41] shadeslayer, Quintasan_: do we have calligra in project neon yet? [10:41] :D [10:42] shadeslayer: mind filing another MIR? :) [10:42] libqzeitgeist is required by muon [10:42] apachelogger: i started a import last night [10:42] don't know if it completed or not [10:42] debfx: sure [10:42] plz check [10:43] apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/calligra [10:43] looks like it was imported [10:44] need to fixor the branch tho [10:46] debfx: do you need the MIR right now? [10:47] shadeslayer: no, it's not urgent [10:47] okay [10:47] is kde merged from debian yet? [10:48] oh that reminds me [10:48] apachelogger: mind doing a upload of avogadro for me? [10:48] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/612052/ << debdiff from debian [10:48] I should be learning [10:49] what I always wondered, why can one not just write Architecture: !armel [10:50] shadeslayer: incidentially for a merge request to get sponsored a debdiff of that new thing to our packaging would be useful [10:50] also I think mr. debian has an invalid changelog [10:50] +avogadro (1.0.3-1) unstable; urgency=low [10:50] +OA [10:50] that OA there looks fishy [10:51] that might have been me ... but i can't say [10:51] checking [10:53] apachelogger: okay, fixed, should i file a bug report or such? [10:54] about? [10:54] for the avogadro merge [10:54] sure [10:54] with according debdiffs attached :P [10:54] apachelogger: but the ubuntu old vs ubuntu new debdiff would be quite huge [10:55] version bumps, so i'll just add a diff of the packaging [10:55] no [10:56] * apachelogger wants both [10:56] if you say so [10:58] shadeslayer: dependency issues... [10:59] shadeslayer: need to package all the bits and pieces [10:59] right ... [10:59] jussi: which version do you need btw? [10:59] version of blink? [10:59] yes [11:00] shadeslayer: whatever is in their maverick repo there is fine. [11:00] okay [11:00] shadeslayer: deb-src http://ag-projects.com/ubuntu lucid main [11:01] thats lucid [11:01] but mav is same [11:01] so, can you just repackage whatevr is in there for natty ? [11:01] will look into it :) [11:02] thanks!! [11:07] o/ [11:09] wooooooooo headphones, mic and SKYPE work again! [11:09] thanks to the nice team at ubuntu-kernel [11:10] * jussi hides from QuintasanDroid [11:10] * apachelogger hides from jussi [11:10] jussi: well, the board will be available from 2nd of June but I am ordering now :P [11:10] I am now hidden^2 [11:10] * QuintasanDroid has to make his father pay up [11:10] say i want to close multiple bugs, with the changelog, i can use a ',' between the 2 bugs right? [11:10] QuintasanDroid: yeah, ordering now is a good thing - mine is due shipped in july :/ [11:10] * valorie goes to hide in the covers of the bed [11:11] valorie: nites [11:11] <3 [12:21] apachelogger: top is part of procps, which is in ubuntu-minimal so we can't replace it. I think adding an additional top implementation into Main would be a very hard sell and I can't see why it would be Kubuntu specific, so it's really a platform issue and not Kubuntu. [12:21] but kubuntu must be superior [12:23] BTW, there's a known issue with kernel power management in Natty that sounds like it may be padams' problem. [12:25] apachelogger: Can you make a note to chat with Jon the Taco about the fact that Muon is pulliing in libqzeitgeist? Either needs a MIR or the dependency dropped. [12:25] taco :D :D [12:25] I shall hope to note forget about it [12:26] ScottK: I've already asked shadeslayer to file a MIR [12:26] debfx: Great. doko was asking about it on #ubuntu-devel. [12:26] Please keep after him on it as apparently properly supervising shadeslayer is beyond apachelogger now. [12:27] he's gone rogue [12:51] ... [12:53] bwahaha [12:53] launchpad isn't accepting my patch now [13:04] apachelogger: bug 787458 [13:04] Launchpad bug 787458 in avogadro (Ubuntu) "Please merge avogadro 1.0.3-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/787458 [13:05] debfx: the qt-gstreamer package doesn't have a watch file ... [13:06] ScottK: apachelogger kamoso promoted to main [13:07] shadeslayer: Great. Did someone seed it? [13:07] ScottK: not yet, it was just promoted [13:09] * ScottK does. [13:09] shadeslayer: ok, I'll send a patch to debian [13:10] alrighty :) [13:12] qt-gstreamer moved to main too [13:14] so... apachelogger... how does one install plasma mobile from natty? (I want to try it out on the imx51 machine I have here) [13:15] jussi: install plasma-mobile ? [13:15] shadeslayer: is it really that simple ? [13:15] afaik they don't have a meta package for kubuntu-mobile and the amd64/i686 arch's [13:15] shadeslayer: its arm machine [13:15] ah [13:16] jussi: kubuntu-mobile then [13:16] * jussi installs [13:16] !info kubuntu-mobile [13:16] kubuntu-mobile (source: kubuntu-mobile-meta): Kubuntu Plasma Mobile system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.218 (natty), package size 2 kB, installed size 56 kB (Only available for i386 armel) [13:16] ^^ [13:18] hrm [13:18] I installed that, logged out, but it isnt in the list? [13:19] Does the systemsettings kcm for picking your plasma shell give you mobile as an option? [13:20] ScottK: Ive tried to install straight from gnome. [13:20] Oh. [13:21] ok gtg and study for a while, ciao [13:21] the install gave me some wirdness though [13:21] Since plasma-mobile is designed to work with nodm, I suspect you aren't in the area of a considered use case. [13:22] dft makes me wanna throw up bad time [13:22] ScottK: so... what do I need to do to get it to work? [13:22] jussi: using gdm? [13:22] apachelogger: yes [13:22] cause gdm will definitely need a restart to pickup new sessions [13:22] * ScottK looks at apachelogger. [13:22] Ive basically got a stock efika upgradded to natty [13:22] apachelogger: oh :) [13:22] * jussi restarts the machine [13:23] !find plasma-mobile.desktop [13:23] File plasma-mobile.desktop found in kubuntu-mobile-default-settings [13:23] ah, what useless output this is [13:23] http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=plasma-mobile.desktop&mode=exactfilename&suite=natty&arch=any [13:23] xsession file should be part of the default-settings package [13:23] why that is I really wonder [13:25] nope, restarted and still nothing :( [13:26] Seeds fiddled, btw. [13:28] very seedy today [13:28] jussi: perhaps kdm woudl serve you better :P [13:29] apachelogger: hrm, seems the kubuntu-mobile package didnt pull much in... [13:29] * jussi tries installing plasma mobile [13:30] hrm, that looks more correct [13:45] herper derper [13:45] so hot === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [13:52] apachelogger: no we do not [14:03] ScottK: thanks for the heads-up on kernel power management. is there a bug i can look at somewhere? [14:03] There is. Let me see if I can find it. [14:09] padams: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760131 is the one I was thinking of. [14:09] Ubuntu bug 760131 in linux (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Power consumption raised significantly in natty" [High,Confirmed] [14:12] kdm by itself doesnt work - drops me to shell. :/ - installed kubuntu-desktop and... nothign. :( only gdm seems to work :( [14:12] bah, kde doesnt work either. [14:12] ScottK: thanks [14:12] (could not start kdeinit4: check your installation) [14:21] * txwikinger hates all those natty regressions [14:22] mostly non-kde related though [14:27] w00t veromix ftw, its kde, and has basic amarok controls built in!!! no more pavucontrol for me hopefully [14:28] claydoh: We did consider veromix for default install at UDS, but concluded that for general users it was overkill and kmix was best for general use/default install. I'm curious what you needed pauvontrol for? [14:28] * ScottK has never needed it. [14:28] my usb headset [14:28] Ah. [14:29] thats the only reason [14:29] would be nice if kmix would at least work [14:31] sure would be nice [14:33] hah veromix even has the same media controls for Clementine when that is running [14:33] txwikinger: What do you mean by work? Worksforme. [14:33] * claydoh should blog on it. [14:34] ScottK: interesting to see in that bug that a lot of people are reporting lots of wakeups in powertop... the only clue that /i/ have something wrong (other than the crap battery life) is the inexplicably high loadavg... worth me adding to the report? [14:34] ScottK: On my netbook, it does not show any of the needed channels [14:34] If you aren't seeing the large number of wakeups, then I'd suggest filing a new bug. [14:34] I have to go to alsamixer to turn on the mic [14:35] ScottK: ok, cool [14:35] padams: For kernel bugs it's better to make a new bug. [14:35] alrighty [14:35] txwikinger: Sounds like a pulseaudio/driver bug. You should file a ubuntu-bug audio about it. [14:36] It's nothing to do with kmix. [14:36] * txwikinger did his duty and voted [14:36] ScottK: ok.. as I said before.. mosst of the time it is non-kde related :D [14:37] You also said kmix wasn't working. [14:37] It's nothing to do with kmix. [14:37] I understand why lots of users mistake that, but I think you know better. [14:38] I said it earlier in regards to natty regressions [14:38] I do not know enough about the sound stuff to be able to say were the problem is [14:38] +h [14:39] I cannot even keep up what sound system is used anymore [15:09] ScottK: thanks for the pointers - just reported my first ever bug in launchpad :) [15:09] txwikinger: It didn't change any from Maverick for Kubuntu. [15:09] padams: You're welcome. [15:13] padams: Noob! [15:14] steveire_: you can only get away with banter like that when i am in the uk, not when i am in berlin and in the same building as you! [15:15] steveire_: the fact that i have only just filed my first bug in launchpad is more of a statement of the quality of the product than it is of my n00bishness :) [15:25] somebody with qt packaging fu might want to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/752713 [15:25] Ubuntu bug 752713 in qtcreator (Ubuntu) "Can't access Qt creator design mode" [Undecided,New] [15:30] moonflux: didrocks is working on it [15:30] debfx: cool === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [15:43] ScottK: That is true.. kmix never showed more than the general output channel for my netbook [15:43] Which is what it's supposed to do. The magic behind the curtain should make that OK. [15:45] Well.. I guess that is what I wanted to express.. the Kubuntu part is getting better and better, unfortunately underlying parts have issues.. even in regards to the sounds stuff. I am not qualified to assess were the probem is..I just don't understand enough of it [15:45] apachelogger, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Antonr/FennecQtBuild [15:48] stinky gecko *grml* [15:51] This page was last modified on 2 April 2009 [15:51] A bit dated. [15:53] oh, is it back from in the days when there actually was brief hope for a qt firefox [15:53] ScottK, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=fennec-qt&project=Project%3ADE%3ATrunk [15:54] this one is a bit new newer [15:55] A bit. [15:56] ScottK, http://wiki.meego.com/Project/Browser more info here [15:57] More bugs in reopened status than new is not encouraging. [15:58] :'( [15:58] that's true [15:58] bad wiki page, aint got no screenshots [16:01] i'm installing it in meego to see how it is looks like [16:04] hum... bad microsd :'( === moonflux_ is now known as moonflux [16:17] apachelogger, i will try the emmc alternative http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC [16:17] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9BON5nd8Fg [16:17] rbelem: oh, I was thinking about that too [16:18] was a bit too scared [16:18] eheheh :-D [16:19] apachelogger, i'm testing in company's n900 :-D [16:19] * apachelogger giggles [16:19] wise thing to do [16:21] apachelogger, i ran out of microsd. two microsd with badblocks and other three are being used in a presentation in the meego conf [16:22] perhaps fixing the boroken microsd's would be an option ^^ [16:22] I do however wonder why one needs a microsd at meego conf [16:22] it is all in the cloudz [16:24] apachelogger, one colleague made a presentation about developing game with qt, qml and qt mobility [16:25] rbelem: and you cannot run that in the cloud? [16:25] :-D [16:25] nope [16:25] kubotu: dent #cloudfail no qml in the cloudz [16:25] kubotu: hellooooooo [16:26] oh my, he is broken [16:26] hahaha [16:26] * rbelem kicks kubotu [16:26] hahaha [16:26] ehm [16:26] * apachelogger kicks rbelem [16:26] how rude [16:27] apachelogger, it is just toaster [16:27] :-D [16:27] brb.. meeting [16:28] * apachelogger never gets to have any meetings [16:28] oh, tomorrow I will [16:28] * apachelogger should really be learning for exams on thursday but is too tired from cycling [16:28] When rbelem says 'meeting' we know he means 'Rodrigo'. [16:29] good point there [16:29] apachelogger: Careful. I think 'too tired from cycling' is what happened to nixternal. [16:29] * apachelogger wonders whatever happend to his identica plugin [16:30] ScottK: I think it is a scientific fact that he turned lazy [16:30] The distinction between that and 'too tired' is often very fine. [16:30] Which reminds me. [16:30] * apachelogger somehow managed to loose the identica plugin [16:30] Need to go find more coffee. [16:30] ScottK: good luck! [16:31] * apachelogger also could use a cup [16:31] or twenty [16:31] * ScottK distinctly recalls having made it this morning AFTER everyone else left, so absent really fast evaporation, it should be there. [16:32] (I suppose the dog developing opposable thumbs to break into the pot and a caffeine addiction is also a small possibility) [16:33] them addictions are horrible [16:33] ScottK: do you have any particular opinion WRT having the youbuntoo icon in kubuntu-default-settings? [16:34] I reckon there are apps that use it (like youbuntoo uno) [16:34] also it would help me not click the wrong icon in my dolphin sidebar ^^ [16:34] How so? [16:35] * ScottK is a bit reluctant to include free advertising for others. [16:36] ScottK: cause there is kubuntu links and there more ubuntu links, me being always high on caffeine or alcohol or tabacco or all three of them I usually randomly click at nice icons to get somewhere, which almost never is where I wanted to go originally [16:37] the youbuntoo uno use case is more present though, also it would just sit there, waiting for someone to use it, so I'd not call it advertisment [16:37] at any rate not more advertisement than using their name and prefix it with a k ;) [16:37] Can I try this youbunoo uno? [16:37] So I can see the problem. [16:37] http://one.ubuntu.com [16:37] Oh. That one. [16:38] well, more precisely I believe the ubuntu-sso-client uses it [16:38] which makes sense, as it is the ubuntu sso rather than the kubuntu one [16:38] * ScottK was thinking it was a customized version of a computerized version of the card game of that name. [16:38] True. [16:38] And it assumes this icon is present? [16:39] to that extent we might need it at some point anyway, when jon the taco finds out that he will need sso to get review stuff into muon proper ;) [16:39] ScottK: yeah [16:39] Aren't we going to conflict with some other package that already provides it? [16:39] ScottK: not if we put it in oxygen [16:40] True. [16:40] Of course that causes bloat. [16:40] well, icons are not that big :P [16:40]