[00:11] <rbelem> DasKreech, http://xkcd.com/323/
[00:11] <rbelem> :-D
[09:59] <padams> hey all... i have a problem which i suspect is with ubuntu rather than being kubuntu-specific... any one got a moment to hear me out and share their thoughts/advice?
[10:00] <apachelogger> padams: sure
[10:00] <padams> apachelogger: thanks, dude....
[10:01] <padams> apachelogger: so i have installed natty onto a brand new hp pavillion dm4 laptop....
[10:02] <padams> i am getting very poor battery life.... problem #1 was knotify4 was chewing up CPU... i switched the phonon backend gstreamer to VLC and /that/ problem went away
[10:02] <padams> but i am still getting very poor battery performance....
[10:03] <apachelogger> padams: any information in powertop?
[10:03] <padams> so if i turn off wifi and bluetooth, powertop tells me that i am getting about 24 wakeups a second... which is very respectible
[10:03] <apachelogger> (also FTR: knotify4 & phonon gstreamer is a knotify bug as it does not switch the backend to stoppped ;))
[10:04] <padams> top tells me that pretty much nothing is chewing CPU
[10:04] <padams> here is where it gets weird.....
[10:04] <padams> so top shows nothing really using the CPU (because the laptop is just sitting doing nothing)... but yet the load average stays above 1 permanently
[10:05] <apachelogger> padams: anything interesting in iotop maybe?
[10:08] <padams> oooooh iotop... new to me... /me goes to look
[10:09] <shadeslayer> iotop is awesome
[10:09] <padams> what should i be looking for? i am mostly looking at 0s. every now an then kontact pops up
[10:10] <padams> also jbd2/sda3-8 - whatever that is
[10:10] <yofel> use 'iotop -o -d 5', that's more readable
[10:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: someone somewhere in the world got their package :P
[10:12] <jussi> yay... hard total crash :(
[10:13] <padams> 1021 be/3 root        0.00 B/s  813.98 B/s  0.00 %  1.50 % [jbd2/sda3-8] <- appears every other refresh. sometimes pidgin appears, too with similar figures. but that is about it
[10:13] <apachelogger> padams: jbd2 is the journal block device for ext4 
[10:13] <shadeslayer> jussi: about blink .... where do i put it? and would you like to test the bin out first?
[10:13] <apachelogger> padams: not io related then, 1.5 does not strike me as terribly high io load
[10:13] <jussi> shadeslayer: pop it into its own ppa 
[10:14] <apachelogger> padams: what graphics driver do you have?
[10:14] <shadeslayer> jussi: i was thinking of creating a team and then putting in the ppa there
[10:14] <apachelogger> s/driver/driver and chip
[10:14] <jussi> shadeslayer: perfect
[10:14] <padams> apachelogger: it is an i5 processor... so it will be whatever the onboard intel magic is
[10:14] <apachelogger> kubotu: now you dont sed anymore, you are a broken piece of software my friend
[10:14] <shadeslayer> will do in a couple of minutes
[10:15] <jussi> shadeslayer: rock on. have you tried it on your own machine yet? 
[10:15] <apachelogger> padams: are you sure? I think there are pavillion dm4 with ATI
[10:16] <apachelogger> padams: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep drivers
[10:16] <padams> [    15.539] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so
[10:16] <padams> [    15.539] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so
[10:16] <padams> [    15.539] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.so
[10:16] <padams> [    15.541] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so
[10:17] <apachelogger> should not be a graphics power management problem then
[10:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I will mail carol, mine is not here yet
[10:18] <apachelogger> I think they forgot about me
[10:18] <apachelogger> padams: I am running low on ideas here ^^
[10:18] <jussi> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/24/2011-05-24_11-37-17_362_Oulu.jpg <- Anyone know why that would come up on my screen? 
[10:19] <padams> apachelogger: me, too. that is why i thought i would ask :(
[10:19] <apachelogger> I mean
[10:20] <apachelogger> it is not anything userspace or it would show up in powertop, it is not anything io or it would show up in iotop, it is likely not a graphics PM issue as that ought ot work with intel
[10:20] <apachelogger> perhaps kerneltop could help, you'll need to boot with kernel cmdline arg profile=4 or so to use it
[10:21] <apachelogger> that will allow you to take a look at the ticks caused in the kernel functions
[10:21] <padams> alrighty - at which point it is definitely not a kubuntu issue anyhow
[10:21] <padams> it would be nice to get more than 2.5 hours out of this supposedly 6.5 hour battery :)
[10:23] <apachelogger> yeah, probably a kernel issue from what we know
[10:23] <apachelogger> incidentially we used almost all top-like apps I know of ^^
[10:23] <apachelogger> although
[10:24] <apachelogger> xrestop, iftop, htop I know as well
[10:24] <apachelogger> on that note htop is far superior to top
[10:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: actually, what do you think about replacing top with htop in the default setup?
[10:24] <apachelogger> htop is so much more usable IMHO
[10:25] <valorie> even I use htop
[10:25] <apachelogger> jussi: your kernel crapped out
[10:25] <sheytan> wow, running xchat on windows in avast! sandbox ;D
[10:25] <sheytan> that's sick :D
[10:25] <jussi> apachelogger: yeah, Im in -kernel asking about it now :)
[10:26] <apachelogger> quassel runs on the windows
[10:26] <apachelogger> jussi: just like everytime I see a kernel go kap0tt ... I blame X :P
[10:26] <sheytan> apachelogger: really? well, i'm always running konvi
[10:26] <sheytan> let try quassel
[10:26] <apachelogger> konvi runs on windows?
[10:26] <apachelogger> groovy
[10:26] <jussi> quassel <3
[10:27] <jussi> quassel++
[10:27] <apachelogger> I mean, it probably does with billions and billions of kde packages installed
[10:27] <apachelogger> that IMHO is one of the sore spots with kde on windows
[10:27] <jussi> I love that the quassel for windows is a portable binary
[10:27] <apachelogger> + the installer is scary to begin with
[10:27] <apachelogger> look what the cat dragged in: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1765479
[10:28] <shadeslayer> sheytan: you realize xchat has a windows bin :P
[10:28] <sheytan> apachelogger konvi, as a part of KDE propably run on windows, but i meant konvi as my default irc client in kubuntu. I'm using wincrap only at work ;/
[10:28] <sheytan> but that will change soon :D
[10:29] <apachelogger> ah well, I am not suggesting you should switch to quassel, just that it would be a very viable option for windows
[10:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: look at the 6th comment
[10:29] <apachelogger> I do not compute that at all
[10:30] <apachelogger> "I wish they could get a very lean Kubuntu that can run totally in RAM."
[10:30] <apachelogger> what is that even supposed to mean?
[10:30] <apachelogger> our live cd essentially runs totally in RAM
[10:31] <sheytan> here i am :D
[10:31] <apachelogger> quassl0r
[10:31] <apachelogger> oh, actually that almost was proper german
[10:31] <apachelogger> s/proper/"proper"
[10:31] <apachelogger> kubotu: are you mad at me?
[10:31] <apachelogger> kubotu: help sed
[10:31] <kubotu> Fix the previous sentence using regexp and a sed-like syntax. Supported delimiters are /|,! and the modifier "g". Grouping is supported via parens, and backreferencing is done via \1 \2 and so on. You don't have to directly address the bot. Examples: <nick>hello <nick>s/e/u/
[10:32] <apachelogger> hello
[10:32] <apachelogger> s/e/u
[10:32] <apachelogger> ah
[10:32] <apachelogger> s/e/u/
[10:32] <kubotu> apachelogger: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[10:32] <sheytan> apachelogger it have to be quasslER to be german :D
[10:32] <apachelogger> kubotu: when did you grow actual syntax support?
[10:32] <apachelogger> sheytan: that is what I said
[10:33] <apachelogger> quassl0r is the leet way of saying quassler, obviously I am leet
[10:33] <apachelogger> I can name some 7 top apps and their use cases :P
[10:33] <apachelogger> come to think of it
[10:33] <apachelogger> valorie: you are still up? :O
[10:34] <shadeslayer> lol
[10:34] <valorie> IN A MINUTE
[10:34] <valorie> geez!
[10:34] <apachelogger> ^^
[10:34]  * apachelogger hugs valorie
[10:34] <valorie> I might have my headphones working again!
[10:34] <valorie> woooooo
[10:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so what is in the welcome package?
[10:35]  * valorie hugs back
[10:35] <apachelogger> will I get a unicorn?
[10:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: someone got it
[10:35] <sheytan> shadeslayer if you're from the future, can you tell me; will I ever be rich? :D
[10:35] <valorie> a couple of people have
[10:35] <apachelogger> google surely could send out some unicorns
[10:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and they did not tell?
[10:35] <shadeslayer> sheytan: i'm not that far in the future
[10:35] <shadeslayer> :P
[10:35] <apachelogger> last year instead of everyone going crazy about not getting the package everyone got crazy about what might be in the package
[10:35] <sheytan> shadeslayer, if you be, please ping me :D
[10:35] <shadeslayer> sure :D
[10:35] <apachelogger> it is the madest thing
[10:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hahahaha
[10:36] <apachelogger> sheytan: I think shadeslayer is just withholding information
[10:36] <shadeslayer> you could say that .... "Knowing your future destroys you"
[10:37] <apachelogger> "kubuntu finger theme"
[10:37] <apachelogger> I wonder what that is
[10:37] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[10:37] <apachelogger> someone asked lord google for it and ended up on my blog
[10:37]  * apachelogger knows everything
[10:38] <apachelogger> perhaps a touch friendly theme?
[10:38] <shadeslayer> jussi: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/blink_0.2.6_all.deb
[10:38] <shadeslayer> try it out
[10:38] <padams> apachelogger: everything? could you help me with this rash that i have....
[10:38] <jussi> that will install with only whats in the repos ?
[10:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer:  did you make that?
[10:39] <shadeslayer> jussi: you wanted the one from darcs?
[10:39] <apachelogger>  Depends: python (>= 2.5), python-support (>= 0.90.0), python-application (>= 1.2.5), python-cjson, python-eventlet-0.8, python-qt4 (>= 4.7), python-sipsimple (>= 0.18.1), python-twisted-core, python-zope.interface
[10:39] <apachelogger> l'impossible
[10:39] <apachelogger> we do not have sipsimple and half the other crap int here
[10:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no i didn't .. :P
[10:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: we had the one from darcs
[10:39] <apachelogger> it cannot be installed
[10:39] <apachelogger> -.-
[10:40] <shadeslayer> herp derp
[10:40] <apachelogger> padams: put some cold coffee on it
[10:40] <shadeslayer> i need to get rid of prelink crapz
[10:40] <padams> apachelogger: i will wait for my mug to cool down :)
[10:41] <apachelogger> ^^
[10:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/23/how-well-can-you-code-qt-for-meego-enter-the-qt-wetab-app-challenge/
[10:41] <apachelogger> make some code happen
[10:41] <shadeslayer> O_O
[10:41] <shadeslayer> zomg
[10:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Quintasan_: do we have calligra in project neon yet?
[10:41] <jussi> :D
[10:42] <debfx> shadeslayer: mind filing another MIR? :)
[10:42] <debfx> libqzeitgeist is required by muon
[10:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i started a import last night
[10:42] <shadeslayer> don't know if it completed or not
[10:42] <shadeslayer> debfx: sure
[10:42] <apachelogger> plz check
[10:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/calligra
[10:43] <shadeslayer> looks like it was imported
[10:44] <shadeslayer> need to fixor the branch tho
[10:46] <shadeslayer> debfx: do you need the MIR right now?
[10:47] <debfx> shadeslayer: no, it's not urgent
[10:47] <shadeslayer> okay
[10:47] <apachelogger> is kde merged from debian yet?
[10:48] <shadeslayer> oh that reminds me
[10:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: mind doing a upload of avogadro for me?
[10:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/612052/ << debdiff from debian
[10:48] <apachelogger> I should be learning
[10:49] <apachelogger> what I always wondered, why can one not just write Architecture: !armel
[10:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: incidentially for a merge request to get sponsored a debdiff of that new thing to our packaging would be useful
[10:50] <apachelogger> also I think mr. debian has an invalid changelog
[10:50] <apachelogger> +avogadro (1.0.3-1) unstable; urgency=low
[10:50] <apachelogger> +OA
[10:50] <apachelogger> that OA there looks fishy
[10:51] <shadeslayer> that might have been me ... but i can't say
[10:51] <shadeslayer> checking
[10:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: okay, fixed, should i file a bug report or such?
[10:54] <apachelogger> about?
[10:54] <shadeslayer> for the avogadro merge
[10:54] <apachelogger> sure
[10:54] <apachelogger> with according debdiffs attached :P
[10:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but the ubuntu old vs ubuntu new debdiff would be quite huge
[10:55] <shadeslayer> version bumps, so i'll just add a diff of the packaging
[10:55] <apachelogger> no
[10:56]  * apachelogger wants both
[10:56] <shadeslayer> if you say so
[10:58] <jussi> shadeslayer: dependency issues...
[10:59] <jussi> shadeslayer: need to package all the bits and pieces
[10:59] <shadeslayer> right ...
[10:59] <shadeslayer> jussi: which version do you need btw?
[10:59] <jussi> version of blink? 
[10:59] <shadeslayer> yes
[11:00] <jussi> shadeslayer: whatever is in their maverick repo there is fine.
[11:00] <shadeslayer> okay
[11:00] <jussi> shadeslayer: deb-src http://ag-projects.com/ubuntu lucid main
[11:01] <jussi> thats lucid
[11:01] <jussi> but mav is same
[11:01] <jussi> so, can you just repackage whatevr is in there for natty ?
[11:01] <shadeslayer> will look into it :)
[11:02] <jussi> thanks!!
[11:07] <QuintasanDroid> o/
[11:09] <valorie> wooooooooo headphones, mic and SKYPE work again!
[11:09] <valorie> thanks to the nice team at ubuntu-kernel
[11:10]  * jussi hides from QuintasanDroid
[11:10]  * apachelogger hides from jussi
[11:10] <QuintasanDroid> jussi: well, the board will be available from 2nd of June but I am ordering now :P
[11:10] <apachelogger> I am now hidden^2
[11:10]  * QuintasanDroid has to make his father pay up
[11:10] <shadeslayer> say i want to close multiple bugs, with the changelog, i can use a ',' between the 2 bugs right?
[11:10] <jussi> QuintasanDroid: yeah, ordering now is a good thing - mine is due shipped in july :/
[11:10]  * valorie goes to hide in the covers of the bed
[11:11] <apachelogger> valorie: nites
[11:11] <valorie> <3
[12:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: top is part of procps, which is in ubuntu-minimal so we can't replace it.  I think adding an additional top implementation into Main would be a very hard sell and I can't see why it would be Kubuntu specific, so it's really a platform issue and not Kubuntu.
[12:21] <apachelogger> but kubuntu must be superior
[12:23] <ScottK> BTW, there's a known issue with kernel power management in Natty that sounds like it may be padams' problem.
[12:25] <ScottK> apachelogger: Can you make a note to chat with Jon the Taco about the fact that Muon is pulliing in libqzeitgeist?  Either needs a MIR or the dependency dropped.
[12:25] <apachelogger> taco :D :D
[12:25] <apachelogger> I shall hope to note forget about it
[12:26] <debfx> ScottK: I've already asked shadeslayer to file a MIR
[12:26] <ScottK> debfx: Great.  doko was asking about it on #ubuntu-devel.
[12:26] <ScottK> Please keep after him on it as apparently properly supervising shadeslayer is beyond apachelogger now.
[12:27] <apachelogger> he's gone rogue
[12:51] <shadeslayer> ...
[12:53] <shadeslayer> bwahaha
[12:53] <shadeslayer> launchpad isn't accepting my patch now
[13:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: bug 787458
[13:05] <shadeslayer> debfx: the qt-gstreamer package doesn't have a watch file ... 
[13:06] <shadeslayer> ScottK: apachelogger kamoso promoted to main 
[13:07] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Great.  Did someone seed it?
[13:07] <shadeslayer> ScottK: not yet, it was just promoted
[13:09]  * ScottK does.
[13:09] <debfx> shadeslayer: ok, I'll send a patch to debian
[13:10] <shadeslayer> alrighty :)
[13:12] <shadeslayer> qt-gstreamer moved to main too
[13:14] <jussi> so... apachelogger... how does one install plasma mobile from natty?  (I want to try it out on the imx51 machine I have here)
[13:15] <shadeslayer> jussi: install plasma-mobile ?
[13:15] <jussi> shadeslayer: is it really that simple ?
[13:15] <shadeslayer> afaik they don't have a meta package for kubuntu-mobile and the amd64/i686 arch's
[13:15] <jussi> shadeslayer: its arm machine
[13:15] <shadeslayer> ah
[13:16] <shadeslayer> jussi: kubuntu-mobile then
[13:16]  * jussi installs
[13:16] <shadeslayer> !info kubuntu-mobile
[13:16] <shadeslayer> ^^
[13:18] <jussi> hrm
[13:18] <jussi> I installed that, logged out, but it isnt in the list? 
[13:19] <ScottK> Does the systemsettings kcm for picking your plasma shell give you mobile as an option?
[13:20] <jussi> ScottK: Ive tried to install straight from gnome. 
[13:20] <ScottK> Oh.
[13:21] <shadeslayer> ok gtg and study for a while, ciao
[13:21] <jussi> the install gave me some wirdness though
[13:21] <ScottK> Since plasma-mobile is designed to work with nodm, I suspect you aren't in the area of a considered use case.
[13:22] <apachelogger> dft makes me wanna throw up bad time
[13:22] <jussi> ScottK: so... what do I need to do to get it to work? 
[13:22] <apachelogger> jussi: using gdm?
[13:22] <jussi> apachelogger: yes
[13:22] <apachelogger> cause gdm will definitely need a restart to pickup new sessions
[13:22]  * ScottK looks at apachelogger.
[13:22] <jussi> Ive basically got a stock efika upgradded to natty
[13:22] <jussi> apachelogger: oh :)
[13:22]  * jussi restarts the machine
[13:23] <apachelogger> !find plasma-mobile.desktop
[13:23] <apachelogger> ah, what useless output this is
[13:23] <apachelogger> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=plasma-mobile.desktop&mode=exactfilename&suite=natty&arch=any
[13:23] <apachelogger> xsession file should be part of the default-settings package
[13:23] <apachelogger> why that is I really wonder
[13:25] <jussi> nope, restarted and still nothing :(
[13:26] <ScottK> Seeds fiddled, btw.
[13:28] <apachelogger> very seedy today
[13:28] <apachelogger> jussi: perhaps kdm woudl serve you better :P
[13:29] <jussi> apachelogger: hrm, seems the kubuntu-mobile package didnt pull much in...
[13:29]  * jussi tries installing plasma mobile
[13:30] <jussi> hrm, that looks more correct
[13:45] <QuintasanDroid> herper derper
[13:45] <QuintasanDroid> so hot
[13:52] <Quintasan> apachelogger: no we do not
[14:03] <padams> ScottK: thanks for the heads-up on kernel power management. is there a bug i can look at somewhere?
[14:03] <ScottK> There is.  Let me see if I can find it.
[14:09] <ScottK> padams: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760131 is the one I was thinking of.
[14:12] <jussi> kdm by itself doesnt work - drops me to shell. :/ - installed kubuntu-desktop and... nothign. :( only gdm seems to work :(
[14:12] <jussi> bah, kde doesnt work either.
[14:12] <padams> ScottK: thanks
[14:12] <jussi> (could not start kdeinit4: check your installation)
[14:21]  * txwikinger hates all those natty regressions
[14:22] <txwikinger> mostly non-kde related though
[14:27] <claydoh> w00t veromix ftw, its kde, and has basic amarok controls built in!!! no more pavucontrol for me hopefully
[14:28] <ScottK> claydoh: We did consider veromix for default install at UDS, but concluded that for general users it was overkill and kmix was best for general use/default install.  I'm curious what you needed pauvontrol for?
[14:28]  * ScottK has never needed it.
[14:28] <claydoh> my usb headset
[14:28] <ScottK> Ah.
[14:29] <claydoh> thats the only reason
[14:29] <txwikinger> would be nice if kmix would at least work
[14:31] <claydoh> sure would be nice
[14:33] <claydoh> hah veromix even has the same media controls for Clementine when that is running
[14:33] <ScottK> txwikinger: What do you mean by work?  Worksforme.
[14:33]  * claydoh should blog on it.
[14:34] <padams> ScottK: interesting to see in that bug that a lot of people are reporting lots of wakeups in powertop... the only clue that /i/ have something wrong (other than the crap battery life) is the inexplicably high loadavg... worth me adding to the report?
[14:34] <txwikinger> ScottK: On my netbook, it does not show any of the needed channels
[14:34] <ScottK> If you aren't seeing the large number of wakeups, then I'd suggest filing a new bug.
[14:34] <txwikinger> I have to go to alsamixer to turn on the mic
[14:35] <padams> ScottK: ok, cool
[14:35] <ScottK> padams: For kernel bugs it's better to make a new bug.
[14:35] <padams> alrighty
[14:35] <ScottK> txwikinger: Sounds like a pulseaudio/driver bug.  You should file a ubuntu-bug audio about it.
[14:36] <ScottK> It's nothing to do with kmix.
[14:36]  * txwikinger did his duty and voted
[14:36] <txwikinger> ScottK: ok.. as I said before.. mosst of the time it is non-kde related :D
[14:37] <ScottK> You also said kmix wasn't working.
[14:37] <ScottK> It's nothing to do with kmix.
[14:37] <ScottK> I understand why lots of users mistake that, but I think you know better.
[14:38] <txwikinger> I said it earlier in regards to natty regressions
[14:38] <txwikinger> I do not know enough about the sound stuff to be able to say were the problem is
[14:38] <txwikinger> +h
[14:39] <txwikinger> I cannot even keep up what sound system is used anymore
[15:09] <padams> ScottK: thanks for the pointers - just reported my first ever bug in launchpad :)
[15:09] <ScottK> txwikinger: It didn't change any from Maverick for Kubuntu.
[15:09] <ScottK> padams: You're welcome.
[15:13] <steveire_> padams: Noob!
[15:14] <padams> steveire_: you can only get away with banter like that when i am in the uk, not when i am in berlin and in the same building as you!
[15:15] <padams> steveire_: the fact that i have only just filed my first bug in launchpad is more of a statement of the quality of the product than it is of my n00bishness :)
[15:25] <moonflux> somebody with qt packaging fu might want to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/752713
[15:30] <debfx> moonflux: didrocks is working on it
[15:30] <moonflux> debfx: cool
[15:43] <txwikinger> ScottK: That is true.. kmix never showed more than the general output channel for my netbook
[15:43] <ScottK> Which is what it's supposed to do.  The magic behind the curtain should make that OK.
[15:45] <txwikinger> Well.. I guess that is what I wanted to express.. the Kubuntu part is getting better and better, unfortunately underlying parts have issues.. even in regards to the sounds stuff. I am not qualified to assess were the probem is..I just don't understand enough of it
[15:45] <rbelem> apachelogger, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Antonr/FennecQtBuild
[15:48] <apachelogger> stinky gecko *grml*
[15:51] <ScottK> This page was last modified on 2 April 2009
[15:51] <ScottK> A bit dated.
[15:53] <apachelogger> oh, is it back from in the days when there actually was brief hope for a qt firefox
[15:53] <rbelem> ScottK, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=fennec-qt&project=Project%3ADE%3ATrunk
[15:54] <rbelem> this one is a bit new newer
[15:55] <ScottK> A bit.
[15:56] <rbelem> ScottK, http://wiki.meego.com/Project/Browser more info here
[15:57] <ScottK> More bugs in reopened status than new is not encouraging.
[15:58] <rbelem> :'(
[15:58] <rbelem> that's true
[15:58] <apachelogger> bad wiki page, aint got no screenshots
[16:01] <rbelem> i'm installing it in meego to see how it is looks like
[16:04] <rbelem> hum... bad microsd :'(
[16:17] <rbelem> apachelogger, i will try the emmc alternative http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC
[16:17] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9BON5nd8Fg
[16:17] <apachelogger> rbelem: oh, I was thinking about that too
[16:18] <apachelogger> was a bit too scared
[16:18] <rbelem> eheheh :-D
[16:19] <rbelem> apachelogger, i'm testing in company's n900 :-D
[16:19]  * apachelogger giggles
[16:19] <apachelogger> wise thing to do
[16:21] <rbelem> apachelogger, i ran out of microsd. two microsd with badblocks and other three are being used in a presentation in the meego conf
[16:22] <apachelogger> perhaps fixing the boroken microsd's would be an option ^^
[16:22] <apachelogger> I do however wonder why one needs a microsd at meego conf
[16:22] <apachelogger> it is all in the cloudz
[16:24] <rbelem> apachelogger, one colleague made a presentation about developing game with qt, qml and qt mobility
[16:25] <apachelogger> rbelem: and you cannot run that in the cloud?
[16:25] <rbelem> :-D
[16:25] <rbelem> nope
[16:25] <apachelogger> kubotu: dent #cloudfail no qml in the cloudz
[16:25] <apachelogger> kubotu: hellooooooo
[16:26] <apachelogger> oh my, he is broken
[16:26] <rbelem> hahaha
[16:26]  * rbelem kicks kubotu 
[16:26] <rbelem> hahaha
[16:26] <apachelogger> ehm
[16:26]  * apachelogger kicks rbelem
[16:26] <apachelogger> how rude
[16:27] <rbelem> apachelogger, it is just toaster
[16:27] <rbelem> :-D
[16:27] <rbelem> brb.. meeting
[16:28]  * apachelogger never gets to have any meetings
[16:28] <apachelogger> oh, tomorrow I will
[16:28]  * apachelogger should really be learning for exams on thursday but is too tired from cycling 
[16:28] <ScottK> When rbelem says 'meeting' we know he means 'Rodrigo'.
[16:29] <apachelogger> good point there
[16:29] <ScottK> apachelogger: Careful.  I think 'too tired from cycling' is what happened to nixternal.
[16:29]  * apachelogger wonders whatever happend to his identica plugin
[16:30] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think it is a scientific fact that he turned lazy
[16:30] <ScottK> The distinction between that and 'too tired' is often very fine.
[16:30] <ScottK> Which reminds me.
[16:30]  * apachelogger somehow managed to loose the identica plugin
[16:30] <ScottK> Need to go find more coffee.
[16:30] <apachelogger> ScottK: good luck!
[16:31]  * apachelogger also could use a cup
[16:31] <apachelogger> or twenty
[16:31]  * ScottK distinctly recalls having made it this morning AFTER everyone else left, so absent really fast evaporation, it should be there.
[16:32] <ScottK> (I suppose the dog developing opposable thumbs to break into the pot and a caffeine addiction is also a small possibility)
[16:33] <apachelogger> them addictions are horrible
[16:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: do you have any particular opinion WRT having the youbuntoo icon in kubuntu-default-settings?
[16:34] <apachelogger> I reckon there are apps that use it (like youbuntoo uno)
[16:34] <apachelogger> also it would help me not click the wrong icon in my dolphin sidebar ^^
[16:34] <ScottK> How so?
[16:35]  * ScottK is a bit reluctant to include free advertising for others.
[16:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: cause there is kubuntu links and there more ubuntu links, me being always high on caffeine or alcohol or tabacco or all three of them I usually randomly click at nice icons to get somewhere, which almost never is where I wanted to go originally
[16:37] <apachelogger> the youbuntoo uno use case is more present though, also it would just sit there, waiting for someone to use it, so I'd not call it advertisment
[16:37] <apachelogger> at any rate not more advertisement than using their name and prefix it with a k ;)
[16:37] <ScottK> Can I try this youbunoo uno?
[16:37] <ScottK> So I can see the problem.
[16:37] <apachelogger> http://one.ubuntu.com
[16:37] <ScottK> Oh.  That one.
[16:38] <apachelogger> well, more precisely I believe the ubuntu-sso-client uses it
[16:38] <apachelogger> which makes sense, as it is the ubuntu sso rather than the kubuntu one
[16:38]  * ScottK was thinking it was a customized version of a computerized version of the card game of that name.
[16:38] <ScottK> True.
[16:38] <ScottK> And it assumes this icon is present?
[16:39] <apachelogger> to that extent we might need it at some point anyway, when jon the taco finds out that he will need sso to get review stuff into muon proper ;)
[16:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah
[16:39] <ScottK> Aren't we going to conflict with some other package that already provides it?
[16:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: not if we put it in oxygen
[16:40] <ScottK> True.
[16:40] <ScottK> Of course that causes bloat.
[16:40] <apachelogger> well, icons are not that big :P
[16:40] <apachelogger> plus we do not need all resolutions of it
[16:40] <ScottK> But I suppose that's way simpler than splitting out an ubuntu-icon package we can seed.
[16:40] <apachelogger> maybe just 16, 32 and 48
[16:40] <apachelogger> or just 48
[16:41] <apachelogger> IIRC the icon spec says that apps should deploy their icons as at least 48 to hicolor
[16:41] <ScottK> Meh.  Whatever.
[16:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, I'd suppose they then would like to put all ubuntuish icons in there :S
[16:42] <ScottK> Yes, but if we do it that way the next time they revolutionize their artwork we don't have to remember to fix the one in oxygen.
[16:42] <apachelogger> (ubuntuish = derived from the ubuntu icon used across multiple apps)
[16:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: then let's refactor the packages ^^
[16:43] <apachelogger> oh, also
[16:43] <apachelogger> the niceness of this approach is that each app that actually uses the ubuntu icon as such can nicely depend on that one package to ensure it is installed
[16:43] <ScottK> As long as us means you, sure.  Please have a chat with seb1218 or didrocks about it since I've recently been harping on the importance of them checking with us before they mess with Qt.
[16:44] <ScottK> Agreed.
[16:44] <ScottK> It seems buggy to need icons that aren't provided by dependencies.
[16:48] <apachelogger> kubotu: you are so beautiful to me!
[16:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/XYm5d.png
[16:49] <ScottK> Except for denting.
[16:49] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Are you working on the libqzeitgeist MIR?
[16:49] <apachelogger> well
[16:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: read about termkit yet?
[16:49] <shadeslayer> ScottK: will work on it in a couple of hours
[16:49] <apachelogger> it is kap0tt because twatter switched to oauth
[16:49]  * apachelogger does not particularly care for that
[16:49] <shadeslayer> i will file a request by tonight
[16:49] <ScottK> OK.
[16:50] <apachelogger> so I'd need to grab a revision of the twitter plugin that does not use oauth and then work with that
[16:50] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^ doko was pinging about this MIR earlier today due to muon dependencies.
[16:50] <apachelogger> http auth is superior anyway
[16:50] <ScottK> I think you have to use oauth now.
[16:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what is it?
[16:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: not with identica
[16:50] <ScottK> Oh.
[16:50] <ScottK> Right.
[16:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Terminal + Webkit : https://github.com/unconed/TermKit
[16:51] <apachelogger> aha
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> I'm not using any auth layer for anything in muon yet
[16:51] <apachelogger> what be the use of this?
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> this is why users cannot submit reviews with muon
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> (yet)
[16:51] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: The MIR thing was about libqzeitgeist.
[16:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: cooler terminal, can cat png's and stuff
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:52] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: can we build muon without it?
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> I thought the ^^^ was in regards to the above discussion w/ apachelogger
[16:52] <apachelogger> I does not compute this
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: we should probably get that an MIR, seeing as Phonon will use it too
[16:53] <apachelogger> the empire of phonon uses it for years
[16:53] <apachelogger> first of the adopters we were
[16:53] <ScottK> shadeslayer apparently has enough spare time from exams, studying, and termkit to file it, so assuming he actually does so, we should be good.
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> s/years/months
[16:53] <apachelogger> the land of libqzeitgeist wei conquered
[16:53] <apachelogger> now it is a colony of the great phonon empire, supplying us with buzz and engineering forces
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> it won't be a hard library to MIR, since it is just a very thin wrapper over a dbus interface
[16:55] <apachelogger> why do you hard-depend on it anyway?
[16:55] <apachelogger> !info phonon
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> I don't, you can compile without libqzeitgeist support
[16:55] <apachelogger> supposedly phonon is built without it
[16:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so why dont we do that? :P
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> because then you wouldn't be able to use zeitgeist fanciness even if you wanted to
[16:56] <apachelogger> until there is zeitgeist integratin building with libqzeitgeist enabled does not make sense anyway
[16:56] <apachelogger> (for us)
[16:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you are trying to address 0.00001% of the target audience with that :P
[16:57] <apachelogger> those that know what zeitgeist is could not care less and those that do not probably do not want to know anyway
[16:57] <apachelogger> IMHO
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> it's a chicken/egg problem. If nobody ever uses it, nobody will care enough to use it in their apps
[16:57] <apachelogger> no
[16:57] <apachelogger> it is a chicken problem
[16:58] <apachelogger> until there is sane KDE integration there is no gain from ever tracking anything with zeitgeist
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> there is a kate plugin :P
[16:58] <ScottK> KDE Integration: DONE.
[16:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: not in upstream kate though
[16:59] <debfx> ScottK: feel like sponsoring a Debian package?
[16:59] <ScottK> Depends on what it is.
[16:59] <ScottK> So "maybe"
[16:59] <debfx> tinyxml
[16:59] <debfx> a small xml library
[17:00] <ScottK> Yes, but I twitch everytime anyone says XML.
[17:00] <ScottK> I can have a look a bit later.
[17:00] <ScottK> Surely by Thursday.
[17:00] <ScottK> debfx: Link me the .dsc.
[17:01] <ScottK> debfx: Are you in NM?
[17:01] <debfx> ScottK: thanks, http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/t/tinyxml/tinyxml_2.6.2-1.dsc
[17:01] <debfx> no
[17:01] <ScottK> (or did you consider to become a DM)
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> I'll just remove the build-dep on libqzeitgeist
[17:01] <ScottK> You should one or both of those.
[17:01] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Why?
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> the reasons apachelogger mentioned
[17:01] <ScottK> If it's an easy MIR, then you can be the egg.
[17:01] <ScottK> OK.
[17:01] <ScottK> Your call.
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's not that big of a deal
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> it's just used for a tiny feature to tell you how many times you've used an application: http://i.imgur.com/hBmtv.png
[17:02] <shadeslayer> oh wow
[17:02] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: it even tells what addons you can install?
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> and kate is just about the only kde app that can report this, if you manually install its zeitgeist plugin and the zeitgeist daemon itself
[17:02] <shadeslayer> thats kewl
[17:03] <apachelogger> debfx: bug 525005 ... FAM does not use inotify, it is much older than inotify, also it does the same thing as inotify, also gamin is largely compatible to FAM but uses inotify with additional clutter around it for the lolz of it, also upstream should be consulted on this matter
[17:03] <debfx> ScottK: maybe, I don't think I have a DD signature though
[17:03] <ScottK> Where do you live?
[17:03] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: yes, using package suggests, and finding packages that have Enhances: kate in their control file
[17:04] <debfx> ScottK: in karlsruhe, germany
[17:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: it is an easy MIR but not worth opening a browser as it does add nil useful functionality at this time
[17:04] <ScottK> Germany is thick with DDs.  You should be able to solve this.
[17:04]  * apachelogger reads get a DD drunk and do nasty things
[17:05] <apachelogger> hm
[17:05] <apachelogger> debfx: actually.....
[17:05] <JontheEchidna> I got my key signed about about 3 DDs at UDS
[17:05] <ScottK> debfx: There's multiple people listed for karlsruhe: http://wiki.debian.org/Keysigning/Offers#DE
[17:05] <apachelogger> perhaps I am wrong, but I believe KDE actually uses inotify natively nowadays
[17:05] <JontheEchidna> Germany is also thick with apt developers
[17:05] <apachelogger> at least I think I once read something on some list about something like that
[17:06] <apachelogger> debfx: which would make sense seeing as FAM is crapz, gamin is less crapz but fat around inotify
[17:06] <ScottK> debfx: How about I agree to sponsor you and you agree to get your key signed so we can get you DM and in NM?
[17:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: You say fat like it's a bad thing.  This is KDE after all.
[17:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that is because only the german way could possibly deal with all the scaryness
[17:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: actually gamin is a gnome project
[17:07] <apachelogger> just so you know
[17:07] <apachelogger> not KDE is the fatty, but GNOME
[17:07] <apachelogger> http://people.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I verified from DonKult that this is true :P
[17:07] <ScottK> Well.  If it's a Gnome thing then I believe that automatically makes it cross-desktop these days.
[17:07] <apachelogger> yes
[17:08] <apachelogger> but
[17:08] <apachelogger> so is the kernel :P
[17:08] <ScottK> But since it turns out Gnome is an OS, I guess the kernel is relevant.
[17:08] <debfx> ScottK: fair enough
[17:09] <apachelogger> hm
[17:09] <apachelogger> oh lulz
[17:09] <apachelogger> fam: zero bug reports
[17:09] <apachelogger> gamin: 4 bug reports
[17:09] <apachelogger> old crapz > new fat crapz
[17:09] <debfx> apachelogger: so building with gamin wouldn't solve that bug since it uses inotify?
[17:09] <apachelogger> I did not read the bug :P
[17:09] <debfx> ^^
[17:09] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ok so muon doesn't depend on zeitgeist now?
[17:10] <debfx> maybe it's just that no one uses fam since it's in universe whereas gamin is in main
[17:10] <JontheEchidna> The situation now is that it can be compiled to depend against the Qt wrapper lib for the zeigeist dbus interface, so that if you have zeitgeist-daemon installed, things will work
[17:11] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/yeiPY.png
[17:11] <shadeslayer> okay, but i need to know if i should file a MIR against it tonight :)
[17:11] <apachelogger> debfx: it probably would
[17:11] <JontheEchidna> zeitgeist itself is already in main, you'd need one for libzeitgeist but I'm removing the build-dep from muon
[17:11] <apachelogger> debfx: I am pretty sure NFS would not be covered by inotify
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> since nothing in KDE can use it without some work
[17:12] <debfx> apachelogger: I though gamin relies on inotify
[17:12] <apachelogger> it also does subsequent manual checks I'd suppose
[17:13] <shadeslayer> okay
[17:13] <apachelogger> otherwise there would not be much use for it alltogether ^^
[17:13] <apachelogger> inotify IIRC is sitting just above the FS, so unless the NFS impl actually notifies inotify (which in case of NFS, being distributed and all, means that the driver needs to poke the server ever so often)  inotify won't work
[17:14] <apachelogger> of course NFS is utter crap and should not be used for reasons like that
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> hopefully a meaningful zeitgeist integration plan will come out of that KDE sprint in Randa
[17:19] <shadeslayer> oh btw i might have a new minion
[17:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^ want a minion?
[17:21] <JontheEchidna> first rule of minions:
[17:21] <JontheEchidna> never offer a former minion master one of your minions, or they become your minion master's minions
[17:21] <JontheEchidna> and you will really never stopped being a minion :P
[17:21] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i don't have a minion, i know someone who might become a minion .. :P
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> second rule of minions:
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> always seize the opportunity to get yourself a minion
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan know what I am talking about :P
[17:22] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:23] <apachelogger> debfx: inotify in kdirwatch should cover everything fam supports, also inotify indeed generally works with any FS as long as it emits inode changes accordingly
[17:23] <apachelogger> however
[17:23] <apachelogger> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4231243/inotify-with-nfs
[17:24] <jussi> NOOOOO.... No nonononononononononononono...MAKE IT STOP!!! (watched part of rebecca black - friday)
[17:24] <apachelogger> debfx: so, IMHO this is a bug in NFS and should be fixed there, meanwhile we *could* build with fam support
[17:24] <apachelogger> question is: do we care enough about a crappy legacy network file system to introduce a new/old dep
[17:26] <apachelogger> I suppose NFS could totally support inotify and be it by regularly shooting a rescan to the server for files/dirs that are watched 
[17:27] <debfx> when kdelibs is built with gamin it always spawns a daemon at runtime
[17:27] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[17:27] <shadeslayer> jussi: you are now contaminated
[17:27] <jussi> shadeslayer: yeah :/
[17:27] <apachelogger> debfx: not if we set the preferred method to inotify I suppose
[17:28] <apachelogger> or just not install the silly daemon
[17:28] <debfx> apachelogger: how do we do that?
[17:28] <apachelogger> oh
[17:28] <apachelogger> who'd have known
[17:28] <apachelogger> it defaults to inotify
[17:28] <apachelogger> so it should not launch the daemon (I suppose)
[17:28] <apachelogger>   QString method = config.readEntry("PreferredMethod", "inotify");
[17:29] <debfx> it does however
[17:29] <apachelogger> also:::::  m_nfsPreferredMethod = methodFromString(config.readEntry("nfsPreferredMethod", "Fam"));
[17:29] <apachelogger> so
[17:29] <apachelogger> IMHO we just don't give a rats behind :P
[17:29] <apachelogger> does fam have a daemon?
[17:29]  * apachelogger cant recall
[17:29] <apachelogger> at any rate it would increase mem usage and wakeups if it did not have a daemon
[17:30] <apachelogger> ah yeah
[17:30] <apachelogger> #ifdef HAVE_FAM
[17:30] <apachelogger>   // It's possible that FAM server can't be started
[17:30] <apachelogger>   if (FAMOpen(&fc) ==0) {
[17:30] <apachelogger>     availableMethods << "FAM";
[17:30] <apachelogger> debfx: that is why it starts the daemon regardless of preferredmethod
[17:30] <debfx> fam is in universe, I wouldn't want to start a MIR
[17:30] <apachelogger> well
[17:30] <apachelogger> fam=gamin within thte context of kdirwatch
[17:32] <apachelogger> but oh, we have the ScottK
[17:33] <debfx> if we want to use gamin and make it optional we'd have to change the gamin package
[17:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: how important is the NFS these days?
[17:33] <ScottK> Either not or very depending on who you talk to.
[17:34] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612351
[17:35] <QuintasanDroid> nfs?
[17:35] <apachelogger> nutty file system
[17:36] <QuintasanDroid> someone is still using that?
[17:36] <stalcup> i am
[17:36] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZ0j7vtKEQ
[17:36] <apachelogger> stalcup: what for?
[17:36] <stalcup> er, just kidding :P
[17:36] <QuintasanDroid> lol
[17:36] <QuintasanDroid> apachelogger almost fell for it
[17:36] <apachelogger> one shalt not kid about scary things like that
[17:37] <stalcup> sorry :)
[17:37] <apachelogger> QuintasanDroid: there is people that use it, for there is a report about making KDE fatter so that their NFS plunder works
[17:37] <QuintasanDroid> woah
[17:37] <QuintasanDroid> no fatter KDE pls
[17:38] <apachelogger> debfx: ^
[17:38] <apachelogger> debfx: well, you make the call :P
[17:38] <apachelogger> I'd redirect the reporter nicely to report a bug against NFS being crap and not supporting inotify
[17:38] <QuintasanDroid> apachelogger: also, did you mean blunder?
[17:38] <apachelogger> no
[17:38] <apachelogger> plunder
[17:39]  * QuintasanDroid has always thought than plunder is stuff obtained through illegal ways
[17:39] <apachelogger> as in booty
[17:40] <QuintasanDroid> well, whatever, somehow plunder does not fit together with NFS for me
[17:40]  * QuintasanDroid would like to note that he is not an English specialist by any means
[17:41]  * QuintasanDroid goes back to physics homework
[17:42] <apachelogger> QuintasanDroid: one man's plunder is another man's crapz
[17:45] <ScottK> Which explains the popularity of second hand stores.
[17:49] <apachelogger> right
[17:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: hm, did you ever think about making a less confusing update manager for muon?
[17:51] <apachelogger> all this undo and redo and whatnot makes me confus0red
[17:53] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yes, I have. I have run in to ENOTIME errors though
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> maybe next muon cycle
[17:54] <apachelogger> lets propose the 32 hour day to kent beck
[17:54] <apachelogger> he could make it happen
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> these are some notes I jotted down a month or two ago: http://paste.ubuntu.com/612362/
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> some general ideas on how to present updates
[18:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/72332873/ubuntu_old_to_ubuntu_new_packaging.diff
[18:09] <apachelogger> why are there no upstream changes despite 2 intermediate upstream releases?
[18:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also what is with the empty line at the end of the changelog?
[18:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: +avogadro (1.0.3-1ubuntu1) natty; urgency=low
[18:13] <apachelogger> wrong series
[18:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer:   * Merge from debian, remaining changes (LP: #787458 , #784267)
[18:15] <apachelogger> that will not work
[18:15] <apachelogger> IIRC the only valid markup is LP: number or #number
[18:15] <apachelogger> certainly not comma number
[18:16] <maco> apachelogger: you can do LP: #number, #othernumber, #othernumber
[18:16] <apachelogger> is that new?
[18:16] <maco> no
[18:16] <apachelogger> back when I was young that did not work
[18:16] <maco> i saw crimsun close 70 bugs in one pulseaudio upload that way a couple years ago
[18:16] <apachelogger> ah
[18:17] <apachelogger> number, number could indeed work
[18:17] <apachelogger> number space comma space number though is verrrry doubtable
[18:17] <apachelogger> anyhow
[18:17]  * apachelogger gets himself some nice pbuilder for annoy-rick
[18:18] <apachelogger> hah, indeed
[18:18] <apachelogger> number, number will definitely work
[18:18] <apachelogger> maco: no things to learn everyday :D
[18:19] <apachelogger> thanks for the info
[18:19] <apachelogger> s/no/new
[18:39]  * apachelogger pokes ejat with a long pointy stick
[18:41]  * ejat miss me 
[18:42] <ejat> opss .. 
[18:42] <ejat> sorry .. my quassel :(
[18:53]  * ScottK cautions apachelogger that use of 'long pointy stick's might summon ghosts of Ubuntu developers past.
[18:56] <ejat> :)
[18:56] <ejat> +1 ScottK
[19:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: I do not fear no ghosts!
[19:04] <micahg> apachelogger: I think the quote is "I ain't afraid of no ghosts" :)
[19:04] <davmor2> apachelogger: has ghostbusters on his speed dial
[19:05] <apachelogger> micahg: perhaps
[19:06] <apachelogger> it is not like I'd remember things long enough
[19:06] <apachelogger> but here is one that will stay with me for life: "it is not supposed to make that noise, *you* leave the breaks on"
[19:07] <bambee> evening
[19:10] <apachelogger> yo bambee
[19:10] <bambee> hey 
[19:12] <bambee>  apachelogger: it would be a good thing to move libmygpo-qt from universe to main, imho. As amarok may use  it.
[19:12] <apachelogger> bambee: once amarok does we will
[19:12] <bambee> ok
[19:17] <debfx> afaik it already uses libmygpo-qt
[19:18] <debfx> JontheEchidna: so what do you want to do regarding muon and qzeitgeist?
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> trying to testbuild dropping the build-dep but there's a bit of archive skew so it's not building
[19:23] <bambee> apachelogger: could you upload libmygpo-qt-1.0.3 into archives for me ? (see revu)
[19:23] <apachelogger> what do I get in return? :P
[19:24] <apachelogger> I dont see anything on revu anyway
[19:24] <bambee> mhhhh....  a kiss ? :P
[19:25] <apachelogger> smooching \o/
[19:25] <apachelogger> bambee: still don't see in on revu though
[19:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: hello hello?
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> hello
[19:26] <apachelogger> does you haz time to prevu a bloggy posty?
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> maybe in 10 minutes
[19:27] <apachelogger> I will send you some spam
[19:27] <apachelogger> who else wants to prevu?
[19:29] <apachelogger> bambee: too many changes
[19:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: for the extra line at the end of the file, i'd say merge-changelog might have put it there
[19:42] <shadeslayer> because i certainly did not touch the end of the changelog
[19:43] <shadeslayer> as for the translations patch, there is no translations patch in the sources i pulled from launchpad
[19:44] <apachelogger> the what patch?
[19:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the install_translations.patch 
[19:45] <apachelogger> did I complain about that?
[19:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh .. what were you talking about?
[19:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: [22:39:32] <apachelogger> why are there no upstream changes despite 2 intermediate upstream releases?
[19:49] <apachelogger> in the debdiff newubuntu->oldubuntu
[19:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: because the debdiff is fscking huge
[19:49] <shadeslayer> launchpad times out when i try uploading the 10MB patch
[19:50] <shadeslayer> i can try pastebining it ^_^
[19:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: while you are in blog prevu mode, I shall also spam you some other post I have drafted for release sometime this week
[19:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: xz -9 file
[19:53] <shadeslayer> okay
[19:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i also found something else, my MIR request for avogadro
[19:56] <shadeslayer> will try to include a patch by mterry
[19:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lol .. see GSoC mailing list
[19:58] <apachelogger> did carol announce that I wont get my welcome package? :/
[19:58] <shadeslayer> yes
[19:59] <apachelogger> Posted on wrong list , please ignore.
[19:59]  * apachelogger reads
[20:00] <apachelogger> ">I don't recommend signing the back of the payment card with the included pen. The ink just doesn't want to dry.
[20:00] <apachelogger> It would be a good idea to sign on it, else it can be misused easily if stolen."
[20:00] <apachelogger> you got to be kidding me
[20:00] <apachelogger> srsly
[20:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i actually know the guy who posted that
[20:00] <shadeslayer> i studied with him for 2 years
[20:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so, please try to explain that comment
[20:01] <shadeslayer> i have no idea what it means
[20:01] <apachelogger> perhaps understanding will prevent me from writing a "what is wrong with you people" mail
[20:02] <shadeslayer> he probably didn't read the previous mail properly
[20:02] <apachelogger> which is a perfect use case for WIWWYP
[20:02] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:02] <apachelogger> "Yes, it must be signed.
[20:02] <apachelogger> I'm just saying I wouldn't sign it with the pen included in the welcome package, the ink doesn't seem to dry and keeps smearing around.
[20:02] <apachelogger> Sign with a different pen."
[20:02] <apachelogger> srsly
[20:03] <apachelogger> just srsly
[20:03] <apachelogger> and why does he tell us that there is a pen in the package, now the surprise is all gone
[20:03] <apachelogger> -.-
[20:03] <shadeslayer> lol
[20:03]  * apachelogger actually could use some ubuntu pens
[20:04] <shadeslayer> ^^ the one ubuntu pen i had is all out of ink :(
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> those linaro pens at UDS were all smear-y
[20:04] <apachelogger> for the very same raeson I have 5 n900 styluses ^^
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> I got ink all over myself at the keysigning
[20:04] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: really? the linaro pens at UDS N  were pretty good
[20:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you just do not know how to operate a linaro pen :P
[20:04] <apachelogger> it is arm powered
[20:04] <shadeslayer> hahahaha
[20:04] <apachelogger> so I can see how that would happen
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> lol
[20:04]  * claydoh is still waiting for his thong, but will take a fez in its place
[20:05] <apachelogger> fezes are cool
[20:05] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: you are incompatible with their instruction set
[20:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: where be your blog post btw?
[20:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: where be *your* blog post???
[20:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kshadeslayer.wordpress.com
[20:07] <shadeslayer> but i have yet to add a entry
[20:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i shall have a blog entry on the 10th, the day my exams end
[20:08] <apachelogger> "today end of exams\ntomorrow next exam\nEOF"
[20:08] <shadeslayer> hehe
[20:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nope, these are my last exams this semester, i have holidays after that
[20:09] <apachelogger> for 1 week, eh?
[20:09] <QuintasanDroid> lol
[20:09] <apachelogger> QuintasanDroid: where be your blog post?
[20:09]  * QuintasanDroid has over 9000 exams in the following weeks
[20:10] <shadeslayer> 2 months :P
[20:10] <apachelogger> tests aint quite the same as exams :P
[20:10] <QuintasanDroid> apachelogger: pending due to "extra" short test from physics
[20:10] <bambee> apachelogger: I was eating. Too many changes ?
[20:10] <bambee> what ?
[20:10] <QuintasanDroid> that apparently "should raise our already shitty grades"
[20:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i am in great pain ... my book says .doc is a de jure standard
[20:10] <shadeslayer> my eyes burn
[20:11] <QuintasanDroid> therefore I counclude tomorrow will be a shitty day
[20:11]  * shadeslayer faints
[20:11] <bambee> apachelogger: it's just a release bugfix :)
[20:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is it not?
[20:11] <QuintasanDroid> shadeslayer: sup, Hall's effect
[20:12] <apachelogger> bambee: that is what you say
[20:12] <QuintasanDroid> sheytan: want to write my physics test tomorrow?
[20:12]  * apachelogger has all sorts of graphics exams on thursday and is not exactly well prepared
[20:12] <apachelogger> need at least 15% of points
[20:12] <apachelogger> it scares me slightly
[20:12] <QuintasanDroid> lol
[20:13] <QuintasanDroid> I wanted to have a good grade from physics but I abandoned that idea a long time ago
[20:13] <QuintasanDroid> I have absolutely no idea what she wants from me
[20:13] <QuintasanDroid> she == the teacher
[20:13] <apachelogger> knowledge
[20:13] <apachelogger> supposedly
[20:14] <apachelogger> at least in austria the desire is knowledge
[20:14] <apachelogger> not so much understanding
[20:14] <sheytan> QuintasanDroid i had 2 in physics :D Sorry :D
[20:14] <QuintasanDroid> yeah, she says that we will have test from electricity and she gives us a test from magnetism and tells us to stop whining
[20:14]  * apachelogger likes her attitude
[20:15] <QuintasanDroid> shadeslayer: I had 3 last year, not sure how my grades look now
[20:15] <apachelogger> #tabfail
[20:15] <QuintasanDroid> fck
[20:15] <QuintasanDroid> sheytan: ^^
[20:15] <QuintasanDroid> #searchbuttonfail apachelogger 
[20:16]  * QuintasanDroid has no tab on keyboard
[20:16] <apachelogger> where?
[20:16] <apachelogger> that does not even make no sense
[20:16] <apachelogger> how do you write pyth0rn without tab?????
[20:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: Actually, on second thought, use a fine-tip permanent marker to sign.
[20:18] <apachelogger> there you go
[20:19] <apachelogger> all questions answered, apachelogger's brain fried, now we can all sleep well tonight
[20:20] <bambee> apachelogger: so libmygpo-qt is badly versionned ? 
[20:20] <bambee> (on upstream, I mean)
[20:20] <apachelogger> bambee: yes
[20:20] <apachelogger> perhaps no though
[20:20]  * apachelogger is confused
[20:20] <apachelogger> gsoc students ate my brain for breakfast
[20:21] <bambee> there are a lot of changes for a bug fix... you're right...
[20:22] <bambee> ^^
[20:22] <sheytan> apachelogger greate blog post! :D If you could next time you blog, add my blog address as "Tomasz Dudzik" as a link, i would be glad :)
[20:22] <apachelogger> if you told me the address
[20:22] <apachelogger> actually I was already wondering why you did not link it on phonon.kde.org
[20:24] <sheytan> apachelogger me too. need to poke ryrych to do that for me. The address is http://madsheytan.blogspot.com 
[20:24] <bambee> MOHH!! the new phonon website... lovely :D
[20:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also we need some box or something to drop some nice and cosy introduction to phonon in
[20:24] <apachelogger> eh
[20:24] <apachelogger> sheytan: 
[20:24] <apachelogger> there we have it again
[20:24] <apachelogger> #tabfail strikes again!
[20:24] <apachelogger> zomg
[20:24] <sheytan> apachelogger i'll take care of that
[20:24] <apachelogger> thx
[20:24] <sheytan> bambee thank you :D
[20:25] <sheytan> glad y ou like it
[20:25] <bambee> ;)
[20:25] <apachelogger> kubotu: script add tabfail "zomg!!! #tabfail strikes again, one kitten less on this world :("
[20:25] <kubotu> done
[20:25] <apachelogger> kubotu: tabfail
[20:25]  * bambee tries to read the code snippet...
[20:25] <apachelogger> kubotu: are you still angry?
[20:26] <apachelogger> oh right
[20:26] <apachelogger> kubotu: script add -f tabfail m.reply "zomg!!! #tabfail strikes again, one kitten less on this world :("
[20:26] <kubotu> fine
[20:26] <apachelogger> kubotu: tabfail
[20:26] <kubotu> zomg!!! #tabfail strikes again, one kitten less on this world :(
[20:26] <bambee> arf it's too quick :\
[20:26] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:26] <apachelogger> there we goes
[20:27] <shadeslayer> foobar
[20:27] <shadeslayer> my router isn't working >.>
[20:27] <shadeslayer> i keep getting disconnected
[20:28] <apachelogger> kubotu: script add rodrigo m.reply "oh, someone be pulling a rodrigo, recharge the batteries, good idea"
[20:28] <kubotu> can do!
[20:29] <shadeslayer> and there we go again
[20:30]  * sheytan has some cool peanuts
[20:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: coudl qapt::debfile not grow an mostLilelyUsefulIcon() function?
[20:38] <apachelogger> returning a qimg
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> shouldn't be too hard to make such a function. All you'd have to do is extract the first item of iconList() in a temp dir, and create a QImage from the resulting file
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> why I didn't do this before is that I wanted consumers to have control over where to extract the files
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> since it's a teeny bit security sensitive
[20:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: checkout bug
[20:48] <shadeslayer> bug 787458 that is
[20:52] <shadeslayer> gtg
[20:52] <shadeslayer> ciao
[20:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you create a thumbnailer for debs yet?
[20:55] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qapt/1.1.80-0ubuntu2/+build/2522123
[20:55] <apachelogger> uh sweet
[20:55] <apachelogger> you should blog about that ^^
[20:55] <apachelogger> omgubuntu will surely pick it up
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I've been meaning to blog about all the new utils coming in 1.2
[20:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna:     QString iconPath = iconsList.last();
[20:57] <apachelogger> that is an interesting algorithm to find the most suitable icon ^^
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> it is presumably the biggest :P
[20:58] <apachelogger>     QString destPath = QDir::tempPath() + QLatin1String("/kde-deb-thumbnailer/");
[20:58] <apachelogger> qstringbuilder
[20:58] <debfx> apachelogger: I've uploaded akonadi which builds multiple backend packages
[20:58]  * apachelogger fires up qtcreator before going to bed
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> yeah, and QLatin1Literal needed too
[20:58] <debfx> in case you want to use sqlite for kubuntu mobile
[20:58] <apachelogger> debfx: you are my hero
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> s/QL1S/QL1L
[20:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: why are you using qpixmap btw?
[21:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: why would you replace all QL1S with literal?
[21:00] <apachelogger> ah, because of overlay
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> it includes a size member var which saves even more time in concatenation
[21:00] <apachelogger> I see, I see
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> QStringBuilder concatenates everything in one go, meaning one mem allocation, but it still needs to calculate how big
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> literal ensures it doesn't have to calculate size for that string
[21:01] <apachelogger> yeah yeah
[21:01] <apachelogger> but you have one valid use of QL1S :P
[21:01] <apachelogger> also
[21:01] <apachelogger> what is with 
[21:01] <apachelogger> return (Flags)(None)
[21:02] <apachelogger> absolutely makes no sense to me considering the none is part of the enum
[21:02] <apachelogger> the enum flags that is ^^
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> that might have been copypasta'd from another plugin
[21:03] <apachelogger> cheater
[21:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna:     virtual ~DebThumbnailer();
[21:03] <apachelogger> why virtual?
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> iDunno
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> oh
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> because it's virtual in the parent class
[21:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: doesn't matter in this case
[21:06] <apachelogger> the virtualness would only have an effect if that classy would be the parent of another one, where you implcitly want to enforce the dtor call
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> really I could just skip on even stubbing out an empty dtor period
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> since I'm not even deleting anything
[21:08] <apachelogger> IMHO compiler implicit dtor would be best there
[21:08] <apachelogger> AFAIK the thumbcreators do not need a virtual dtor
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> [16:02:25] <seb128> slangasek, you broke gdk-pixbuf in oneiric! ;-)
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> ^that is why my chrome was red @UDS
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> :P
[21:09] <apachelogger> ah, you should have given him a beatin' then :P
[21:09] <apachelogger> or not use gtkware :P
[21:10] <yofel_> my chrome is still red here ^^
[21:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I did push you code
[21:10] <apachelogger> and now I am off to bed
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> right, it's not fixed yet. slangasek is getting noogied as we speak in #ubuntu-devel
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: thx
[21:12] <yofel> heh
[21:13]  * yofel files bug about byobu in the meanwhile
[21:13] <yofel> no, my disk can't handle 7233MB/s even if it's an ssd
[22:11] <shadeslayer> has anyone even seen jr lately?
[22:11] <shadeslayer> i think he forgot about us :(
[22:14] <vorian> ninjas, what is the link to creating a ninja environment?
[22:20] <yofel> vorian: see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/
[22:21] <yofel> the pages need an update though, I'll look at them over the weekend
[22:21] <vorian> yofel: thanks
[22:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: is anyone working on the KDE 4.7 Beta?
[22:26] <yofel> not that I know of, I'm busy with other things, and we still wanted to first merge from debian
[22:26] <yofel> though I'm not sure how much they're doing with alioth issues
[22:26] <shadeslayer> right
[22:30]  * yofel is off to bed, good night
[22:30] <shadeslayer> night :)
[22:36] <ScottK> apachelogger: tabbed python is an abomination.  Should be indented by two or four spaces (four preferred).
[22:39] <ScottK> shadeslayer: He said he was going to take a break from #kubuntu-devel for a couple of weeks so he could get oriented with his new Canonical work.  He'll be back.