[00:24] <preecher> is there a way to only have the panel displayed on only one of my desktops?
[00:27] <James147> preecher: virtual desktops? no
[00:28] <preecher> James147 thanks
[00:41] <solovoy> hi, anyone who uses deadbeef ?
[00:44] <szal> !anyone
[01:42] <giantpune> hi boys.  i am having an issue with wireless in kubuntu 11.04.  i can connect for about 5 minutes and then it gets disconnected and the network manager thingy tries to reconnect and gets stuck on "configuring interface".  if i restart the computer, it connects again for 5 minutes
[01:42] <giantpune> does anybody have any ideas?
[01:45] <Magnusson> anyone running natty on nvidia and getting the "input signal out of range" during boot and shutdown? or able to help with it
[02:11] <kevinJ> Hello, I could use a little help with Bluetooth when someone has a second
[02:11] <kevinJ> please and thank you
[02:12] <kevinJ> Basically, bluetooth is not starting at boot
[02:13] <kevinJ> If i go into a terminal and restart it everything works fine.
[02:13] <kevinJ> but I prefer not to have to do that every time.
[02:13] <kevinJ> On on 11.04, fresh install.
[02:17] <kevinJ> there is no /etc/default/bluetooth file.
[02:17] <kevinJ> or do you not need that for KDE?
[02:38] <womp> kevinJ: what commands do you use to restart bluetooth?
[02:39] <ubuntu> hi i need help with this : error hd1,1 out of disk
[02:39] <ubuntu> grub rescue>
[02:52] <rjr162> So I think I hit an interesting snag (ok maybe not that interesting to you guys)
[02:52] <Programmer_> should i use wubi or dual boot?
[02:52] <rjr162> hit up http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download#download-block to download a copy of Kubuntu, and after having the version and 32-bit I wanted, I clicked Begin Download.. but nothing happens under Chrome. Under IE everything works fine...
[02:53] <Programmer_> last dual boot i did ended in grub being currupted and having to send computer to be repaired
[02:54] <KerrMD> Programmer_: I prefer to dual boot.
[02:54] <Programmer_> yeah me too, but after last experience, i dont wanna risk it
[02:54] <KerrMD> You should not have to send a computer in to repair grub
[02:54] <Programmer_> i was too lazy to do it myself
[02:54] <KerrMD> lol
[02:55] <KerrMD> rjr162: I try to stay away from Chrome. It was nice at the start but is too much a pain. In windows I use IE9 and on linux I use firefox
[02:55] <Programmer_> but yeah. windows has some features i need. therefore i wont have to use wine either
[02:56] <Programmer_> i dont like windows tbh
[02:56] <KerrMD> What features are those?
[02:56] <KerrMD> nor do I
[02:56] <Programmer_> video stuff and disk writing stuff
[02:56] <KerrMD> As in authoring?
[02:57] <Programmer_> no
[02:57] <Programmer_> anyway, my linux partition isnt that big, and if wubi isnt working out, ill just dual boot
[02:57] <KerrMD> I've been dual booting 7 and kubuntu quite successfully
[02:58] <KerrMD> Unit193: Yes I do
[02:58] <Programmer_> kerr i might
[02:58] <Programmer_> i just dont like switching between the too
[02:58] <Programmer_> especially since my battery doesnt work
[02:58] <Programmer_> can i hibernate linux and switch to windows?
[03:00] <KerrMD> Nope
[03:00] <rjr162> KerrMD: Ok just ignore my comment :) After checking with Opera, IE, and Chrome Canary.. it worked in all of those. Went back to Chrome Dev and it's working now (after the first 7 do nothing attempts)
[03:00] <KerrMD> Well, I am not entirely sure
[03:00] <KerrMD> but I doubt it
[03:00] <tsimpson> you should be able to
[03:00] <Programmer_> hmmm
[03:00] <Programmer_> plus i like having microsoft office and adobe suites
[03:01] <tsimpson> hibernate just stores RAM onto the swap partition, as windows doesn't do anything with swap, it should be possible
[03:01] <KerrMD> I'm not up on my hibernation.
[03:01] <rjr162> doesn't hibernate write to swap, suspend holds in ram
[03:01] <Programmer_> i have to use hibernate since i dont have a battery for this laptop
[03:02] <tsimpson> I've never tried to hibernate and boot into windows, but that's mostly because I wiped windows out the day I got the PC
[03:02] <rjr162> errr i mis-read that line tsimpson, my bad :) I'll butt out now
[03:03] <Programmer_> tsimpson i did that on this laptop, but i got a free version of windows with office on it, so why not utilize it?
[03:03] <tsimpson> well, I don't think MS Office is a reason to stick with windows. most linux office apps can read and write MS Office formats
[03:04] <KerrMD> True
[03:04] <KerrMD> Libre office for one
[03:04] <tsimpson> but, if there is something you need, that is only on windows, then that's a perfectly valid reason to keep windows
[03:04] <rjr162> to an extent though. There's some stuff you can do in Office 2007+ that explodes in OO.O/Libre
[03:05] <tsimpson> I'd rather not ever touch windows, but I'm not one of those zealots that condemns anyone for feeling differently ;)
[03:05] <Unit193> And Libre/OpenOffice don't read/write those formats very well
[03:05] <tsimpson> MS Office reads and writes to ODF just fine, stick with that :)
[03:06] <tsimpson> who knew "text" documents would get so complicated
[03:06] <Unit193> +1 ^^
[03:06] <rjr162> if you don't want to dual boot, and need the windows, you could always do something like a VMware Player/VirtualPC/VirtualBox setup (while not the best/most ideal solution)
[03:07] <KerrMD> There are ways to make a windows live dvd as well. It can even be run from a usb thumb drive
[03:07] <rjr162> haha no kidding. The header I did up on my resume.. OpenOffice doesn't like it (nor does Google Docs or versions of Word older than 2007). So I send it as a PDF
[03:14] <Programmer_> rjr162> to an extent though. There's some stuff you can do in Office 2007+ that explodes in OO.O/Libre
[03:14] <Programmer_> ^ i failed a project because it didnt write in ms format correctly
 I'd rather not ever touch windows, but I'm not one of those zealots that condemns anyone for feeling differently ;)
[03:15] <Programmer_> i hate windows, myself...but i like adobe suites
[03:16] <Programmer_> plus for some reason, i cant usb tether my phone on linux
[03:22] <rjr162> Programmer: That's where the WiFi access point mode comes in handy (if it's available) :)
[03:22] <pastyhermit> How do I get my ipod working with amaok?
[03:22] <pastyhermit> I dont have any media support installed...
[03:23] <Programmer_> heh
[03:23] <pastyhermit> Does anyone know what the amarok device plugin package is called?
[03:23] <pastyhermit> I saw something called exaile...
[03:23] <Fluttershy> Exaile is a GTK player modeled after Amarok
[03:23] <Fluttershy> not sure it's an actual fork, don't think it is
[03:24] <pastyhermit> uhhh why would I use a gtk app in KDE?
[03:24] <tsimpson> !ipod
[03:24] <pastyhermit> my understandingi s amarok is suppose to have support in Amarok?
[03:24] <tsimpson> maybe some info ^ there
[03:24] <Fluttershy> pastyhermit: I didn't say you should?
[03:25] <Fluttershy> I was saying it has nothing to do with Amarok
[03:26] <pastyhermit> Fluttershy: I was reading some docks about ... some media devices plugin but when I go to configure Amarok I dont see that option.
[03:51] <pastyhermit> tsimpson: followed the link, I see the plugins in amarok but my ipod still doesnt show up
[04:08] <Magnusson> ok, how bout this then, anyone know why it says that my driver is activated but not in use?
[04:10] <preecher> toes
[04:28] <dan__> does anyone know how to start the run command interface after it has crashed?
[04:44] <rosco_y> dan__: do you mean at boot time, or other?
[04:44] <dan__> Rosco_y:  while already in the desktop.
[04:45] <dan__> I was playing with the plugins
[04:45] <dan__> And I crashed it.  But I really can't boot down at the moment.
[04:46] <rosco_y> most computers will shutdown if you hold their power button for 5 seconds.  This may not be your best option at the moment....
[04:47] <rosco_y> you might be able to login to a command shell by pressing CTL+ALT+F2 (but wait before you do)
[04:48] <rosco_y> then, to get back to where you are right now, you press CTL+ALT+F7
[04:59] <DarthFrog> Alt-F7 is all you need.  The CTL key modifier is only needed in X.
[05:29] <ZeDingo> let's see
[05:29] <ZeDingo> i'm supposed to say anyone here several times, get frustrated at the lack of service, then leave in a hissy, right?
[05:30] <mr-rich> ZeDingo: Patience ...
[05:30] <ZeDingo> i'm having a very strange problem
[05:30] <ZeDingo> my mouse hangs on the volume icon down in the tray
[05:30] <ZeDingo> and just a bit above it
[05:30] <ZeDingo> but ONLY if i'm moving my mouse to the left
[05:31] <mr-rich> ZeDingo: Ask your quesstion and if someone knows the answer, that will answer ...
[05:31] <ZeDingo> also my graphics are laggy but the joy of learning a new OS is learning to optimize it
[05:32] <mr-rich> ZeDingo: if you don't mind propritary drivers, click on "additional drivers" in the menu somewhere and maybe that will fix your issues ...
[05:33] <ZeDingo> i'm using the ATI drivers straight from their site. fglrx through kpackage didn't install right
[05:37] <androidbruce> hey guys, im a long time ubuntu/gnome user and i just switched to kubuntu to try it out
[05:37] <androidbruce> i am having difficulties with performance.... any tips
[05:40] <ZeDingo> i'm having similar problems bruce lol
[05:40] <ZeDingo> applying every windows 7 optimization trick i can think of to see if it works
[05:45] <ZeDingo> turning off all desktop effects fixed video
[05:45] <ZeDingo> piece of crap radeon =\
[05:50] <valorie> hey androidbruce
[05:50] <valorie> try turning off the blur special effect
[05:51] <valorie> some graphics cards/drivers have trouble with that one
[05:52] <valorie> ZeDingo: I have a radeon, and the only effect I have to turn off is blur
[05:52] <valorie> although most of them I think are silly
[05:52] <valorie> who wants wobbly windows? not me
[05:52] <ZeDingo> i just tried that, seems to run video fine with effects on and blur off
[05:52] <ZeDingo> thanks
[05:52] <valorie> moving to Xrender helped the most
[05:53] <valorie> I had weird little things wrong until I did that
[05:53] <ZeDingo> and it's not just my mouse freezing when i move it across the volume icon
[05:53] <ZeDingo> video freezes too
[05:53] <valorie> that's very strange
[05:54] <ZeDingo> it's like it's trying to display a tooltip or popup
[05:55] <valorie> that sounds like it's worth a bugreport
[05:55] <valorie> are you using kmix, or veromix?
[05:57] <valorie> you might try unlocking your widgets and just remove it
[05:57] <valorie> try veromix instead
[05:58] <ZeDingo> dropped the task manager off my taskbar so the tray moved
[05:58] <ZeDingo> it's not the volume icon but that specific spot on my screen
[05:58] <valorie> I've never heard of that happening before
[05:58] <ZeDingo> now that i explore it more, it's like a rectangle that traps the mouse
[05:59] <valorie> unless you've spent a lot of time on your system tray
[05:59] <valorie> I'd delete that one entirely
[05:59] <valorie> and then create a new one
[05:59] <valorie> it's just another widget
[06:00] <ZeDingo> i have no idea what i'm using
[06:00] <ZeDingo> whatever comes in the kubuntu iso
[06:00] <valorie> right
[06:00] <valorie> it sounds like it is damaged in some way
[06:01] <valorie> nothing should "capture" your mouse pointer
[06:01] <valorie> ever
[06:01] <ZeDingo> i killed kmix, still doing it
[06:02] <ZeDingo> it's like a rectangle that's in the bottom right, goes up above the taskbar a bit
[06:02] <ZeDingo> it catches if i try to move up or left out of the rect
[06:02] <ZeDingo> never seen a computer do this lol
[06:03] <valorie> I've never heard of it
[06:05] <ZeDingo> gonna try rebooting
[06:05] <ZeDingo> though it won't tell me what's causing the problem
[06:08] <androidbruce> valorie, sorry i just rebooted into my ubuntu drive
[06:08] <androidbruce> valorie, Xorg is hogging all of my cpu in 11.94
[06:08] <androidbruce> valorie, Xorg is hogging all of my cpu in kubuntu 11.04 valorie
[06:09] <c2tarun> androidbruce: are you on a laptop?
[06:10] <androidbruce> c2tarun, no sir
[06:10] <androidbruce> c2tarun, an older machine but fully functional with gnome
[06:10] <androidbruce> 9500gt
[06:10] <androidbruce> core2duo 2.4ghz, 4gb ram
[06:11] <c2tarun> androidbruce: well, I also faced this problem of getting system very slow then I thought Xorg is eating my CPU, but then I changed my heat sink and it solved the problem. But it might not be the case with you.
[06:11] <androidbruce> my machine is very cool. cpu is at 30C
[06:12] <c2tarun> androidbruce: hang around, someone will help :)
[06:13] <Magnusson> androidbruce>trade cpus with ya
[06:14] <androidbruce> lol Magnusson
[06:14] <Magnusson> :)
[06:14] <androidbruce> for speed or temp?
[06:16] <Tm_T> androidbruce: if Xorg is hogging all cpu, it could be buggy graphics driver
[06:16] <ZeDingo> welp, it's doing the same mouse catch box on the login screen
[06:17] <Tm_T> androidbruce: do you have effects enabled?
[06:17] <androidbruce> Tm_T, yeah i tried the latest nvidia driver and it borked my xorg config b/c it was the wrong driver for the kernel
[06:17] <c2tarun> ZeDingo: are you saying about your mouse being captured to drag mode?
[06:17] <androidbruce> Tm_T, desktop effects make no difference
[06:18] <androidbruce> Tm_T, i read that it seemed to be a driver issue with nvidia
[06:18] <Magnusson> androidbruce>prob both hehe
[06:18] <ZeDingo> c2tarun, no i'm saying there's an invisible rectangle in the bottom right corner and when i try to move my mouse out of it, the graphics hang for a second or two
[06:18] <Tm_T> androidbruce: did you have same issue with nouveau drivers? (as in, opensource drivers)
[06:18] <c2tarun> ZeDingo: ghost :( (sorry I thought something else)
[06:19] <ZeDingo> ah
[06:19] <androidbruce> Tm_T, didn't change
[06:19] <androidbruce> Tm_T, out of the box it was bad
[06:20] <androidbruce> can i get the same experience if i just install kde as an alternative desktop environment in ubuntu?
[06:20] <ZeDingo> gonna put gnome on here and see if it does it there too
[06:20] <valorie> did you just install KDE-desktop on top of Ubuntu?
[06:20] <androidbruce> valorie, nooo
[06:20] <valorie> androidbruce:  ^^^
[06:20] <valorie> fresh install?
[06:20] <androidbruce> valorie, installed fresh to one of my drives in my machine
[06:20] <androidbruce> yes
[06:21] <valorie> and you verified the ISO?
[06:21] <Magnusson> valorie>how long have you been using these networks? i used to know someone with your name YEEARS ago
[06:21] <androidbruce> hmm well i had no errors on the install
[06:21] <androidbruce> valorie, i don't believe it's the iso
[06:22] <valorie> Magnusson: freenode only about 18 months
[06:22] <valorie> IRC, maybe 10 years
[06:22] <Magnusson> formerly dalnet?
[06:22] <valorie> nope, sorry
[06:22] <valorie> never did dalnet
[06:22] <valorie> my spelling of the name is rare
[06:23] <Magnusson> ah
[06:23] <valorie> I've never met anyone in IRC using it
[06:23] <androidbruce> i wanted to give kubuntu a good shot boy did it just fail
[06:23] <valorie> :(
[06:23] <valorie> that sucks
[06:23] <valorie> did the live CD work well?
[06:23] <Tm_T> androidbruce: if it's issue with binary drivers of nvidia: it has little or nothing to do with Kubuntu
[06:24] <androidbruce> Tm_T, yah true.... but ubuntu has no issues like that ;)
[06:24] <androidbruce> valorie, i suppose
[06:24] <c2tarun> androidbruce: just a suggestion, if possible try removing nvidia card and then using system for few hours.
[06:25] <androidbruce> c2tarun, ehh yeah that's possible. but why would i use onboard junk if i can use a 1gb card with quality 3d accel?
[06:25] <androidbruce> it seems like kubuntu didn't install the latest nvidia driver/kernel module
[06:25] <androidbruce> when ubuntu did
[06:25] <c2tarun> androidbruce: you  tried looking into addtitional drivers?
[06:25] <phoenix_> vlc crashes
[06:26] <androidbruce> c2tarun, yeah i got the binary from nvidia. the same version im using now and it borked my xorg config b/c it was a kernel mismatch
[06:26] <androidbruce> i see how kde has potential to be a killer ui
[06:27] <c2tarun> androidbruce: lolss :)
[06:27] <androidbruce> im going to install it on my laptop right now
[06:27] <androidbruce> to see how it performs
[06:27] <androidbruce> any tips?
[06:28] <c2tarun> androidbruce: try not to share your home folder with other distros. make it separate.
[06:29] <androidbruce> frsh install here
[06:30] <c2tarun> well I guess you are not getting what I am trying to say :) never mind, shared home folder always suks.... just install simply.
[06:30] <androidbruce> ahh yeah yeah i see what you mean
[06:30] <androidbruce> im checking the disc for defects first
[06:32] <androidbruce> anyone give any tips on moving from gnome to kubuntu?
[06:32] <androidbruce> or kde more respectively
[06:33] <androidbruce> i noticed that to switch workspaces you hit ctrl+f1, f2,f3.... anyway to change that to ctrl+alt+right arrow, left arrow?
[06:34] <ZeDingo> shortcuts and gestures in system settings i think
[06:34] <androidbruce> how does compiz work with kubuntu?
[06:34] <androidbruce> or does it?
[06:37] <valorie> yes, some people use it
[06:37] <valorie> I'm not sure why
[06:37] <valorie> kwin is native to KDE
[06:37] <valorie> compiz isn't
[06:38] <valorie> oh, you got the binary from nvidia?
[06:38] <androidbruce>  kwin has the same features?
[06:38] <valorie> that is NOT a good idea
[06:38] <valorie> use jockey-KDE
[06:38] <androidbruce> how so
[06:38] <androidbruce> why is that a bad idea?
[06:38] <valorie> you just saw - kernel mismatch
[06:38] <androidbruce> i got the drive from nvidia when i had issues
[06:39] <valorie> just like in gnome/ubuntu, jockey will suggest appropriate drivers
[06:39] <androidbruce> and do i run jockey myself?
[06:40] <valorie> yes
[06:40] <valorie> I ran it from the kmenu
[06:41] <androidbruce> ok
[06:41] <androidbruce> how do i connect to my wifi from the installer so it will download the packages on install
[06:41] <c2tarun> androidbruce: try to remove the driver you installed manually.
[06:41] <androidbruce> i saw no option to do so
[06:41] <androidbruce> c2tarun, i already formatted that drive, im installing on my laptop now
[06:41] <androidbruce> i want to "test" this on my laptop
[06:41] <androidbruce> then run on my machine
[06:42] <androidbruce> i use my desktop as a server too, so i need a functioning machine
[06:42] <androidbruce> i wish ubuntu/kubuntu would ship with chrome
[06:43] <c2tarun> androidbruce: why are you trying to connect to wifi during installation? install it first and then connect.
[06:43] <androidbruce> yeah i would like it to download packages in the first install
[06:43] <androidbruce> such as mp3, fluendo etc
[06:43] <androidbruce> it's ok ill download later
[06:44] <c2tarun> androidbruce: I dont know about wifi but you can try wired connection
[06:44] <androidbruce> yeah it's not a big deal
[06:44] <androidbruce> how close to ubuntu is kubuntu?
[06:44] <c2tarun> siblings ;)
[06:44] <androidbruce> same packages?
[06:44] <c2tarun> yup
[06:44] <androidbruce> ok
[06:44] <androidbruce> cool
[06:45] <androidbruce> what do you guys use for a dock? i use docky in ubuntu
[06:45] <valorie> what's a dock?
[06:46] <c2tarun> androidbruce: well kubuntu has plasmoids, which are better then docs
[06:46] <valorie> I've heard of docky, but have no clue what it is
[06:46] <androidbruce> application manager/launcher
[06:46] <valorie> ah
[06:46] <valorie> I like the system tray, but there are other ways of setting stuff up, I guess
[06:46] <androidbruce> valorie, http://i.imgur.com/vzZef.png
[06:46] <valorie> I like out of the box, mostly
[06:47] <androidbruce> so 4.5.5 was a big change eh?
[06:48] <androidbruce> i like that this room isn't HUGE! and it's manageable to talk to people
[06:48] <c2tarun> yeah, #ubuntu is vry crowdy
[06:48] <valorie> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/24/plasma-desktopNH1662.jpg is my desktop atm
[06:49] <c2tarun> valorie: nice playlist :)
[06:49] <valorie> I dunno -- I'm on kde 4.6.3
[06:49] <valorie> can't really remember 4.5.5
[06:50] <valorie> c2tarun: lastfm valoriez
[06:50] <androidbruce> 4.6.3?
[06:50] <androidbruce> is that was ships with 11.04?
[06:50] <valorie> yes
[06:50] <androidbruce> ohhhh ok
[06:50] <valorie> and no, it wasn't much of a change
[06:50] <androidbruce> here comes first boot on the lappy!
[06:50] <androidbruce> lets see what happens
[06:50] <androidbruce> :-D
[06:51] <valorie> you nut, you didn't even try with the liveCD?
[06:51] <c2tarun> that was fast, are you  using CD or pen drive?
[06:51] <androidbruce> that was cd btw
[06:51] <androidbruce> no i didn't try live
[06:51] <androidbruce> this better WORK
[06:51] <androidbruce> like ubuntu did
[06:51] <androidbruce> if it doesn't, then im mad
[06:51] <valorie> I often skip that step too
[06:51] <valorie> but it isn't wise
[06:52] <androidbruce> ahhh this is better
[06:52] <androidbruce> why was xorg such a whore on my Desktop?
[06:52] <valorie> um, language
[06:52] <androidbruce> sorry sorry
[06:52] <androidbruce> why was it being so weighty
[06:52] <c2tarun> androidbruce: may be ur deskop feeding it well ;)
[06:53] <androidbruce> lol
[06:53] <valorie> good question, and it probably would take some digging to find out why
[06:53] <androidbruce> weird though
[06:53] <androidbruce> my Desktop is much faster than my lappy
[06:53] <androidbruce> and i know the drive i installed it on is fine
[06:53] <c2tarun> androidbruce: try using jockey this time
[06:53] <ZeDingo> is there something similar to the windows task manager?
[06:53] <ZeDingo> i think kpackage is running somewhere halfhidden
[06:53] <c2tarun> try Ctrl + esc
[06:54] <c2tarun> ZeDingo: ^^
[06:54] <androidbruce> valorie, where is my wifi/network manager?
[06:54] <ZeDingo> thankies
[06:54] <androidbruce> got iy
[06:54] <androidbruce> it**
[06:55] <androidbruce> no proprietary drivers in use on this system
[06:55] <androidbruce> is that good? no nvidia drivers needed eh?
[06:55] <c2tarun> androidbruce: try running sudo apt-get update first
[06:55]  * c2tarun though its not compulsory
[06:56] <androidbruce> yeah word one sec
[06:56] <androidbruce> this is so smooth o
[06:56] <androidbruce> i want this on my DESKTOP!
[06:56] <c2tarun> welcome to KDE :)
[06:56] <androidbruce> bah
[06:56] <c2tarun> killer desktop env ;)
[06:57] <androidbruce> yah, so mad it was whack on the desktop
[06:57] <androidbruce> just did an update, now doing an upgrade
[06:58] <androidbruce> valorie, now i need to learn how to use amarok ;)
[06:58] <valorie> just mess with it
[06:58] <androidbruce> the ui is a little wonky ootb
[06:58] <valorie> or http://userbase.kde.org/Amarok/Manual
[06:59] <valorie> ui is uber-configurable
[06:59]  * c2tarun prefers messing with amarok, it wont bite ;))
[07:00] <androidbruce> im so used to banshee and rhythmbox
[07:00] <androidbruce> ill try to configure amarok
[07:00] <androidbruce> i want it to look like banshee if possible
[07:00] <c2tarun> androidbruce: I think rhytmbox should work on kubuntu.
[07:01] <androidbruce> yeah
[07:01] <androidbruce> ohhhh so no ubuntuone with kubuntu?
[07:01] <jussi> androidbruce: you may want to take a look at clementine also.
[07:01] <androidbruce> jussi, clementine? music plater?
[07:01] <jussi> androidbruce: you can use the gnome client (I do)
[07:01] <jussi> !info clementine
[07:02] <valorie> really? the gnome client no longer works for me
[07:02] <jussi> oh maverick huh
[07:02] <jussi> lemme fix you silly bot
[07:02] <valorie> someone is fixing the ubuntuone again, though
[07:02] <jussi> valorie: Its working finr here.
[07:02] <valorie> damn devels and their changeable api
[07:02] <valorie> cool
[07:02] <valorie> won't even start for me
[07:02] <androidbruce> i love guake, so im install yakuake
[07:02] <valorie> I have to use it on the web
[07:03] <valorie> dropbox works, though
[07:03] <jussi> !info plasma-widget-daisy
[07:03] <jussi> androidbruce: ^^
[07:03] <jussi> for your docky replacement
[07:03] <androidbruce> jussi, yea? lemme see
[07:04] <androidbruce> jussi, whoa this is wild
[07:04] <androidbruce> circle launcher eh?
[07:05] <jussi> yeah, you can have a circle launcher if you like
[07:05] <jussi> its pretty configuarable
[07:05] <androidbruce> jussi, not bad
[07:05] <androidbruce> it's nice
[07:06] <androidbruce> so here is a question
[07:06] <androidbruce> i don't want the default panel to manage the windows
[07:06] <jussi> !info clementine natty
[07:06] <androidbruce> i want the dock to manage the windows
[07:06] <androidbruce> make sense?
[07:06] <jussi> androidbruce: so remove the plasmoid in the default panel (right click on it)
[07:07] <androidbruce> ok.... then go to taskmanager settings?
[07:07] <jussi> no, there should be a "remove this $plasmoid"
[07:07] <androidbruce> remove this taks manager?
[07:07] <androidbruce> ahhhh ok
[07:07] <jussi> yes
[07:07] <androidbruce> whoa
[07:08] <androidbruce> now i need to move klipper and wifi and volume etc back to the right
[07:09] <jussi> yeah, you probably need to add the spacer
[07:09] <jussi> right clik, panel settings, add spacer
[07:09] <androidbruce> ah yes
[07:10] <androidbruce> gotcha thanks jussi
[07:10] <jussi> yw
[07:11] <jussi> androidbruce: if you arent there already, do join us in #kubuntu-offtopic - we can be a little more "chatty" there. :)
[07:46] <ZeDingo> fresh install
[07:46] <ZeDingo> now let's try this again without the mousetrap
[07:49] <valorie> that was just strange
[07:51] <ZeDingo> and fglrx won't work through kpackage, of course.
[08:02] <dingo> ok, it's a problem with the ati drivers
[08:03] <tdn> Is anyone else using iwlagn driver for wifi? Do you experience bad performance when transferring large amounts of data?
[08:03] <androidbruce> i can hear notificiation sounds but nothing in my browser?. anyideas
[08:06] <Grue_> so, what is it like around these parts?
[08:06] <Grue_> as stuffy as ubuntu?
[08:07] <Grue_> :)
[08:07] <dingo> we'll not have your base emoticons in this channel!
[08:07] <dingo> because there is no emoticon for us turning our noses up at you
[08:08] <Grue_> well fine then!
[08:08] <ZeDingo> lol
[08:08] <ZeDingo> i just showed up because of weeeeeird problems
[08:08] <Grue_> how many of you drive priuses?
[08:09] <Grue_> lol
[08:09] <ZeDingo> which i just tracked down to these ati drivers
[08:09] <Grue_> ati drivers usually do that
[08:09] <ZeDingo> there's an invisible rectangle in the bottom right
[08:09] <Grue_> i am actually downloading kubuntu right now to play with
[08:09] <ZeDingo> it traps my mouse
[08:09] <Grue_> that isnt ati
[08:09] <Grue_> that is an app
[08:09] <ZeDingo> graphics hang for a second when i try to move out of it
[08:09] <Grue_> oh maybe not
[08:09] <ZeDingo> no it's the drivers
[08:10] <ZeDingo> this install is 15 minutes old lol
[08:10] <Grue_> i know gnome has an app that does that
[08:10] <Grue_> you a normal kubuntu user?
[08:11] <Grue_> :^|
[08:11] <Grue_> would that be turning nose up?
[08:11] <ZeDingo> no
[08:11] <ZeDingo> i installed like, yesterday
[08:11] <Grue_> oh ok
[08:12] <ZeDingo> my ethernet's gone to shit so i need linux's ability to turn the network card off and on to use the internet at all
[08:12] <Grue_> found lots of good distros. trying to find a good community
[08:12] <ZeDingo> if you want a good community just play warcraft
[08:12] <ZeDingo> LEFT SIDE. MANY WHELPS.
[08:13] <Grue_> no thanks
[08:13] <Grue_> not a gamer
[08:15] <valorie> ZeDingo: install drivers through systemsettings, or just use jockey-kde
[08:15] <androidbruce> fixed the audio
[08:15] <valorie> cool!
[08:15] <valorie> what did you do?
[08:15] <androidbruce> i disabled the internal audio in bios
[08:15] <androidbruce> so the only card that is used is my pci card
[08:16] <valorie> I'm a bit fuzzy about what that means
[08:17] <androidbruce> umm i have internal audio(soldered onto the motherboard) and i have a pci card
[08:17] <valorie> ok
[08:17] <androidbruce> in the motherboard bios i disabled the onboard audio
[08:17] <androidbruce> so when i boot into kubuntu it only sees one card
[08:17] <androidbruce> and defaults to that
[08:17] <Grue_> I had that issue with PCLOS and my onboard vid
[08:17] <androidbruce> its a work around and not a fix
[08:17] <androidbruce> i SHOULD be able to have two audio cards in here and choose
[08:17] <Grue_> androidbruce: YO
[08:18] <valorie> yeah, it should try whatever you set first, first
[08:18] <asraniel_> my gf uses 2 audio cards (internal and usb) and it works without a problem
[08:18] <valorie> and only fall to the second choice when the first doesn't work
[08:18] <androidbruce> works fine in ubuntu
[08:18] <Codenomics> no matter where I go I see one cm geek or another
[08:19] <androidbruce> in kubuntu you have to "prefer" one over the other
[08:19] <androidbruce> Codenomics, :)
[08:19] <androidbruce> hey bro
[08:19] <androidbruce> cm ftw!
[08:19] <valorie> #kubuntu is where the elite, meet!
[08:19] <Codenomics> lol
[08:19] <Codenomics> me
[08:19] <Codenomics> meh**
[08:19] <ZeDingo> oh dammit
[08:19] <ZeDingo> http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalyst115ahotfix.aspx
[08:19] <Codenomics> i am downloading kubuntu right now
[08:19] <ZeDingo> Resolves the intermittent mouse cursor lag issue seen by some users
[08:20] <ZeDingo> catalyst 11.5a
[08:20] <ZeDingo> latest for linux is 11.5
[08:20] <Codenomics> decided to give the channel a whirl before I installed and needed support
[08:20] <ZeDingo> now how do i UNinstall ati lol
[08:20] <Codenomics> a big part of whether I like/use a distro or not is based on the community
[08:21] <valorie> ZeDingo: with a soldering iron?
[08:21] <Codenomics> lol
[08:21] <ZeDingo> silly valorie
[08:21] <valorie> Codenomics: kubuntu has the best community around!
[08:21] <ZeDingo> you INSTALL with a soldering iron
[08:21] <ZeDingo> for uninstall, you use a blowtorch
[08:21] <ZeDingo> preferably acetylene
[08:21] <valorie> that might be sorta hard on your motherboard
[08:22] <Codenomics> valorie: I have heard that claim before
[08:22] <ZeDingo> same with the soldering iron
[08:22] <Codenomics> the normal ubuntu community and I clash
[08:22] <valorie> well, we're sorta part of it, and sorta separate
[08:23] <valorie> in that we interface with KDE, not gnome *as much*
[08:23] <Codenomics> is referring to yourself as a noob allowed in here?
[08:23] <valorie> to yourself, sure
[08:23] <Codenomics> sweet
[08:23] <valorie> although, if you know bruce
[08:23] <Codenomics> i was reprimanded for that
[08:23] <Codenomics> lol
[08:23] <valorie> how can you be a newbie?
[08:23] <Codenomics> lolol
[08:24] <Mamarok> my I remind you people that we have an offtopic channel as well? This here is purely for support
[08:24] <Codenomics> Mamarok: is it?
[08:24] <valorie> sorry, Mamarok
[08:24] <Codenomics> sorry
[08:24] <ZeDingo> maybe i can just overwrite the 11.5 drivers with 11.4
[08:24]  * Codenomics is a newb
[08:25] <valorie> 11.5?
[08:25] <ZeDingo> catalyst 11.5
[08:25] <ZeDingo> that's what's causing the mousetrap
[08:25] <valorie> ah
[08:25] <valorie> when you downloaded that, there should be a readme in it
[08:26] <valorie> that should tell you how to uninstall it
[08:26] <ZeDingo> thar be no readme
[08:26] <ZeDingo> it's a .run self installer
[08:26] <ZeDingo> and nothing in /etc/ati/ where it installed to
[08:27] <Mamarok> ZeDingo: you should avoid such external sources
[08:27] <Mamarok> the radeon driver is what works best in Linux
[08:27] <Codenomics> i hate ati
[08:27] <Codenomics> and yet, I love AMD
[08:27] <valorie> I have radeon ati, and it works fine
[08:27] <Mamarok> Codenomics: topic :)
[08:28] <valorie> with what jockey-kde suggested
[08:28] <Codenomics> Mamarok: I was making it relevant!
[08:28] <Codenomics> going to probably have boot issues with the machine i have now,
[08:28] <ZeDingo> and rebooting
[08:28] <Codenomics> any suggestions for what to do when boot fails randomly?
[08:29] <Codenomics> it happens with a few distros on this machine
[08:29] <Mamarok> Codenomics: check if you can get a newer Bios
[08:29] <Codenomics> Mamarok: already checked that one
[08:29] <valorie> grub-repair ?
[08:30] <Codenomics> machine is pretty new, but the second I pulled it out the box I checked on all the firmwares
[08:30] <androidbruce> so skype isn't in the repos?
[08:30] <valorie> partner repos
[08:30] <valorie> repo
[08:30] <androidbruce> where are the partner repos?
[08:30] <tsimpson> !skype
[08:31] <Codenomics> Mamarok: most distros I have tried lock up randomly
[08:31] <Codenomics> this is on first boot mind you
[08:32] <Codenomics> the only idea i get is from mint that shows it locking up at a spot where it looks like it is scanning my networking HW
[08:32] <Mamarok> Codenomics: you must have some messages in the shell
[08:32] <Mamarok> check Ctrl+Alt+F6
[08:32] <Mamarok> that's where usually you have the startup stuff
[08:32] <Codenomics> this is only when booting a livecd
[08:33] <Codenomics> i did something random and got it working and got mint installed on this machine
[08:33] <valorie> this is where notes come in handy
[08:34] <Codenomics> ... sigh
[08:34] <Codenomics> i know
[08:34] <valorie> "something random" is difficult to replicate
[08:34] <Codenomics> LOL
[08:34] <androidbruce>  valorie im not seeing skype after enabling partners
[08:34] <androidbruce> i did an update
[08:34] <Codenomics> easy to replicate... just gotta wait till this really slow download is done
[08:35] <Codenomics> valorie: when/if they happen with kubuntu i will come prepared with errors and info
[08:36] <androidbruce> Codenomics, what device are yo carrying nowadays bro?
[08:38] <ZeDingo> that fixed it
[08:38] <ZeDingo> so if anyone ELSE shows up
[08:38] <ZeDingo> catalyst 11.5 has a mouse hang bug, install 11.4
[08:38] <ZeDingo> because amd only cared to make a hotfix for windows
[08:38] <Codenomics> what is new
[08:39] <ZeDingo> or
[08:39] <ZeDingo> i'm not on ati drivers at all right now
[08:39] <ZeDingo> trying to move this window is laggy
[08:39] <ZeDingo> gdi just work right ; ;
[08:43] <tsimpson> androidbruce: skype is there in partner, I see it
[08:50] <androidbruce>  can you create a shortcut in kde to move a windows to the next workspace?
[08:54] <ZeDingo> now i get the fglrx package to work, but my "start menu" is freakin huge lol
[08:54] <ZeDingo> IT'S SO UNFAIR
[08:59] <valorie> I'm pretty sure those aren't connected?
[08:59] <valorie> my start menu is normal sized
[09:00] <ZeDingo> it was something to do with the resize when switching from generic back to proprietary
[09:00] <valorie> ah
[09:00] <valorie> well, you can shrink it again
[09:00] <ZeDingo> i took it off the bar and put it back, now it's fine
[09:00] <ilias> hi all. any idea how can i make opera/firefox/chrome to recognize the java which is already installed in my system?
[09:05] <ZeDingo> ilias: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/linux_install.xml#enable
[09:11] <androidbruce> hey can someone help me with my fstab entry?
[09:11] <eristikophiles> what's wrong with your fstab?
[09:11] <androidbruce> well it's ro
[09:11] <androidbruce> i want rw
[09:11] <androidbruce> this is what it looks like,
[09:11] <androidbruce> #this is my media drive
[09:11] <androidbruce> UUID="99EC-2FA6"        /media  vfat    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[09:11] <eristikophiles> no you don't, probably
[09:11] <FloodBotK1> androidbruce: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:11] <androidbruce> for this drive
[09:11] <eristikophiles> sudo vi or sudo nano it
[09:11] <androidbruce> yeah
[09:12] <eristikophiles> don't make it rw. it's supposed to be locked up 'cause it's a system file
[09:12] <androidbruce> i made that entry, i just don't know which option
[09:12] <androidbruce> well this is a hard drive with media
[09:12] <androidbruce> i want it to be rw
[09:12] <eristikophiles> ah ok
[09:12] <eristikophiles> hold on a sec
[09:12] <eristikophiles> UUID=1BED-1245  /media/TWEEDLEDEE       vfat    owner,rw,suid,exec,dev,auto,async,uid=1000,check=s  0       2
[09:12] <eristikophiles> UUID=600F-1AE0  /media/TWEEDLEDUM       vfat    owner,rw,suid,exec,dev,auto,async,uid=1000,check=s  0       2
[09:12] <eristikophiles> those are lines i added to my fstab
[09:13] <eristikophiles> so i can just sudo mount -a and mount my storage drives
[09:13] <eristikophiles> not the huge list of options :)
[09:13] <androidbruce> i want auto mount
[09:13] <eristikophiles> er, note
[09:13] <eristikophiles> well that's a distinct option
[09:13] <eristikophiles> ok well, first off, you don't need quotes around the UUID
[09:14] <eristikophiles> second, are you sure you want to mount your drive as /media?
[09:14] <androidbruce> yeah
[09:14] <androidbruce> that's where my media will be
[09:14] <eristikophiles> because any usb drives or other junk you plug in that's storage will be a dir *inside* /media
[09:14] <eristikophiles> normally anyway
[09:14] <androidbruce> yeah that's ok
[09:14] <androidbruce> i want this to be used like removable media
[09:15] <eristikophiles> yeah only it's not, because once you mount your storage drive on /media, you basically can't use flash drives at the same time
[09:15] <androidbruce> hmmm
[09:15] <androidbruce> one sec
[09:15] <eristikophiles> because it'll try to mount them as like /media/[nameofflashdrive] and it'll be like "wtf! /media isn't what it's supposed to be"
[09:16] <eristikophiles> pick a name for a subdir under /media like in my entries
[09:16] <androidbruce> this is what i had on my other install, defaults,umask=000,uid=1000,gid=1000   0       0
[09:16] <eristikophiles> you don't really need both uid and gid
[09:17] <eristikophiles> unless you have some pretty convoluted user/group setup
[09:17] <eristikophiles> uid=1000 is enough
[09:17] <androidbruce> i don't
[09:17] <eristikophiles> be sure and use the 'owner' flag too, in order to enable mounting by the drive owner (uid will then set the owner to you, while gid would do the same but for your user-group)
[09:18] <eristikophiles> i'm guessing you're on a PC and are not one user among many on some bigger box, so you are probably the only user in your group, which means gid and uid are essentially interchangeable
[09:18] <androidbruce> ahh ok
[09:19] <eristikophiles> you need the rw flag to properly write to the drive as well as read it, and the flags in between are basically the defaults (except that a few flags i used will de-select them so i have to make them explicit)
[09:20] <eristikophiles> suid, exec, dev, and async are that way
[09:20] <eristikophiles> auto allows mount -a to mount the drive
[09:20] <eristikophiles> i forget what check=s does but i figure it's a good idea since i read over the vfat part of mount thoroughly
[09:21] <androidbruce> right right
[09:22] <eristikophiles> also: The root filesystem should be specified with a fs_passno  of
[09:22] <eristikophiles>        1, and other filesystems should have a fs_passno of 2.
[09:22] <eristikophiles> so that last 1 should be a 2 for you
[09:22] <eristikophiles> since i doubt you will be booting your kubuntu box off a vfat drive ;)
[09:22] <androidbruce> ha nope ext4
[09:23] <eristikophiles> since- lucky you- i have recently figured out all the nice options for a vfat drive, you can feel free to copy my entries and just change the UUID and the dir
[09:24] <eristikophiles> getting the drive to automatically mount when plugged in is a bit tricky though. i tried to do it, didn't have it work, and set it aside because i don't care so much that i have to manually type "sudo mount -a" and enter pw when i mount my drives. that's actually easier than the kde gui mechanism to mount them (which does one by one also)
[09:26] <eristikophiles> androidbruce- still there?
[09:28] <androidbruce> eristikophiles, yup
[09:28] <androidbruce> just rebooted
[09:28] <androidbruce> i used your vfat entires
[09:28] <androidbruce> thanks
[09:32] <eristikophiles> cool, hope it works well :)
[09:51] <akis> hi all. any idea why firefox/oper/chrome cannot load properly and fast certain pages although my connection is avery speedy one and i can download almost with 1050kb/s? i have already installed restricted-extras on my 10.04 system. the problem is only with some "hevy" pages like google maps and every page that have google maps in it and other pages using special effects (i suppose shockwave, flash etc.
[09:53] <eristikophiles> google doesn't support opera, so on that at least it sometimes messes things up. firefox should work ok but remember that linux versions aren't supported as well as windows ones are. chrome i don't know wth is wrong with since it's a google app anyway
[09:54] <mfraz74> Any idea why I'm missing the Aggressive powersave profile in powerdevil and how to get it back?
[09:54] <Tm_T> akis: if you can try and see if using another profile/user or turning off a some plugin has any effect
[09:55] <eristikophiles> mfraz74- just make a new one and set it up like you'd want it to be for aggressiveness
[09:55] <mfraz74> eristikophiles: any idea why it is missing though?
[09:56] <mfraz74> or where the default profiles for powerdevil are stored
[09:56] <akis> i try the same version of opera (11.11) in the same machine under xp and is the faster browser i had ever, google included. but under kubuntu it's a difference bettwen day and night
[09:56] <eristikophiles> nope, sorry :)
[09:57] <akis> tm_t. could please advise me how can i do that? the only plug-in is enable for all browsers is one for shockwave and for kopete
[09:58] <akis> should i disable this one for kopete?
[09:59] <eristikophiles> akis- opera isn't the fastest browser. it's built for security
[10:00] <eristikophiles> which is why i use it, even though its semi-unsupported status means a lot of pages load slower
[10:03] <akis> actually 11.11 was rated as the fastest one. but the point isn't which is fastest. the point and the big proble is why they cannot load certain pages or the load thme after 1-2 minutes although the connection has absolutely no problem.
[10:16] <akis> well, any other idea?
[10:17] <eristikophiles> akis- it's not about the size of the data being transferred
[10:17] <eristikophiles> pages load faster or slower because of the data *types*
[10:17] <eristikophiles> like java or flash. things like that take time to load on your system and slow down because your browser has to translate that data into content, using your cpu and resources
[10:17] <eristikophiles> this means that it can vary widely from box to box
[10:18] <akis> that's right. i agree.
[10:18] <eristikophiles> part of that is the browser versus the content developers
[10:18] <akis> but why the same translation under xp was much more fast
[10:18] <eristikophiles> opera is not supported by most, so developers ignore it, and it can easily lead to opera having bugs relative to other browsers. for like 6 months i couldn't login to google with opera for example
[10:18] <eristikophiles> on a friend's box
[10:19] <eristikophiles> on my box at home, fine.. but it was another cpu, another o/s
[10:19] <eristikophiles> so each variable can speed or slow the process. cpu, o/s, browser, content type, specific developer
[10:19] <apple_cat> Hi, I've just upgraded to 11.04 and am having wireless issues. I get high packet loss ( > 20%). All I have figured out is that before I was using the ath5k driver and now I am using the ath9k module. Does anyone have any ideas?
[10:19] <eristikophiles> because it's like a chain of in/compatibility
[10:20] <akis> with firefox the problem is bigger. slowest "translation"
[10:20] <szal> akis: are you now on SUSE or on Kubuntu?
[10:20] <eristikophiles> yeah but firefox may have plugins that slow it down
[10:21] <eristikophiles> i have no idea what sites you're looking at either. i mean, you could be using heavier sites than i do
[10:21] <akis> both. i have a desktop running suse 11.2 and a laptop with a fresh kubuntu 10.04 where i have some problems loadin pages. under suse where i old enough everything is OK
[10:21] <eristikophiles> i *maybe* can get up to 1mbps sometimes, but really not so much. and only torrents ever really approach those speeds
[10:22] <eristikophiles> but i have no problem browsing usually. sometimes it takes a few seconds for opera or the site to catch up, but i am also on an old refurbished p4
[10:22] <akis> the heaviest are google maps and some airtraffic tracking using google maps and some blogspot pages
[10:22] <eristikophiles> yeah google maps is rather cpu-intensive
[10:22] <eristikophiles> nothing to do with bandwidth
[10:23] <eristikophiles> you have to render the graphics, and they're complex
[10:23] <apple_cat> #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[10:23] <eristikophiles> and when you move the map around, or change zoom, it has to re-render. that's the usual bottleneck
[10:23] <eristikophiles> apple_cat- i have no idea why you'd have wifi slow down.. unless you moved the box/ laptop and there are walls involved
[10:24] <akis> yep, i sure for that, nothing to do with line speed. yep graphics its a matter. the proble is that i just came from xp and i realised a big difference
[10:25] <akis> i am very closed to routers box. it is not the problem. maybe the proble is the graphic cards drivers under kubuntu
[10:27] <apple_cat> eristikophiles: I'm absolutely positive that it's not a matter of interference or anything like that. Same environment, same wifi, same walls but now it's 11.04, ath9k rather than ath5k and  there is high packet loss
[10:29] <eristikophiles> akis- i've noticed that opera runs slower than in windows on kubuntu
[10:29] <eristikophiles> but not *that* slow
[10:30] <eristikophiles> it's barely noticeable, and the difference compared to my last box (died suddenly, need to fix) is more than the difference from o.s
[10:30] <apple_cat> eristikophiles: Do you know what would be involved in just trying to switch out the current wireless module I'm using for a module from an older kubuntu release? Even if I could just downgrade to the last module I was using might be good enough
[10:30] <eristikophiles> i could tell you how to do that in freebsd but i'm not sure in ubuntu
[10:30] <eristikophiles> sorry
[10:31] <eristikophiles> in freebsd you make a custom kernel for such things
[10:31] <akis> that's right. in windows is very-very fast. ie is hours (!) behind.
[10:31] <eristikophiles> about every user does at some point. ubuntu i use for desktop purposes and to be honest, i understand less about.
[10:31] <eristikophiles> my wifi didn't work on my netbook for the past couple years, from 9.04 on
[10:32] <eristikophiles> 11.04 fixed that. it's made me very happy :)
[10:34] <apple_cat> eristikophiles: Ah : ) I'm sure things have worked out better for most people, I just happen to be one of the unlucky ones. Everything else has been great though, I particularly like the new boot loader  ^_^
[10:35] <apple_cat> kde sticking to what it does great, being blue
[10:36] <eristikophiles> i kinda find it annoying that it messed with my method of logging in and gave me issues with it. it seems fixed now though
[10:36] <eristikophiles> anyway, 11.04 allows my netbook to actually be a netbook, and that is awesome.
[10:36] <eristikophiles> with that plus getting an android phone recently, i feel uber-connective
[10:37] <Peace-> eristikophiles: hihihih http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYwiE2RDKic
[10:37] <Peace-> i have kubuntu mac
[10:37] <Peace-> xD
[10:37] <eristikophiles> i have heard a lot of people have ath5k and ath9k issues though
[10:37] <eristikophiles> kubuntu mac? you're on a powerpc cpu?
[10:37] <Peace-> nope
[10:38] <Peace-> see the video xD
[10:38] <apple_cat> eristikophiles: Yeah, looking across the internet it seems to be a pretty big problem. I think the Atheros cards are quite common too, which can only be a problem if this issue is happening in most cases
[10:38] <eristikophiles> Peace-- ew
[10:38] <eristikophiles> ;p
[10:39] <apple_cat> eristikophiles: There's ndiswrapper, perhaps I will just try to get the windows drivers and use that rather than sticking with the ath5k, ath9k modules
[10:39] <eristikophiles> yeah that'd be cool. note that you can only use xp drivers with ndiswrapper btw
[10:40] <eristikophiles> if it's a newer card that there are only vista/win7 drivers for, then you may still be screwed
[10:40] <Peace-> apple_cat: mmm
[10:40] <Peace-> ath5k and ath9k can be fixed
[10:41] <Peace-> i have atheros and it's workin here
[10:41] <Peace-> ath5k
[10:41] <apple_cat> eristikophiles: Thanks for the heads up
[10:41] <Peace-> just do a voltage reset
[10:41] <Peace-> apple_cat: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/24/plasma-desktopXF4089.jpg
[10:42] <apple_cat> Peace-: Are you running 11.04? How did you get ath5k instead of ath9k... I couldn't even find the ath5k module
[10:42] <Peace-> apple_cat: i am on 11.04
[10:42] <Peace-> well ath5k support only some card
[10:43] <Peace-> ath9k it's the newer driver
[10:43] <Peace-> for atheros card
[10:43] <Peace-> so ... if the system want use ath9k i guess that it's the properly driver
[10:43] <Peace-> you should use
[10:43] <Peace-> there are some issues on athk drivers
[10:43] <Peace-> for example i can't get it up if a reboot a lots of time
[10:44] <Peace-> it seems that the driver doesn't work well rebooting often
[10:44] <Peace-> so you nedd to reset it
[10:44] <Peace-> btw this issues can be fixed installing wicd-kde
[10:44] <szal> !enter | Peace-
[10:44] <Peace-> szal: -.-
[10:44] <Peace-> szal: i support here since 3 years
[10:45] <Peace-> i guess i know
[10:45] <Peace-> .
[10:45] <akis> @eristikophiles. so what is your opinion to solve my case? return xp? try other linux distribution? try to upgrade firefox and use it instead of opera? or wait the borwsers to "translate" the pages?
[10:45] <szal> Peace-: also you didn't answer the 2nd part of apple_cat's question yet ^^
[10:46] <Peace-> that because ath5k can't be found because the card doesn't work with it
[10:46] <Peace-> it just use ath9k
[10:46] <Peace-> because it's the right driver to use
[10:47] <apple_cat> Peace-: http://wstaw.org/w/vFR/
[10:47] <apple_cat> Peace-: woops, http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/24/snapshot1_png_750x750_q85.jpg
[10:48] <harrison> Peace-: Maybe I should just blacklist ath9k, ath5k supports my card too and I had no problems with it last time
[10:48] <Peace-> harrison: ok if you believe that ...
[10:49] <Peace-> just add in the blacklist.conf  ath9k
[10:49] <harrison> Is blacklisting ath9k enough to make ath5k be used instead, or do I have to do something extra?
[10:49] <Peace-> nope
[10:49] <Peace-> you need to modprobe it
[10:49] <Peace-> sudo modprobe ath5k
[10:49] <eristikophiles> http://imagebin.org/154784
[10:49] <Peace-> then you need to add the module on a file to do that automatically
[10:49] <Peace-> afer the boot
[10:49] <eristikophiles> that took way too long to stick up there
[10:50] <harrison> How about after the next reboot? Where should I stick the file that modprobes it on startup?
[10:50] <Peace-> harrison:     sudo nano /etc/modules
[10:50] <Peace-> harrison:     kdesudo kate /etc/modules
[10:50] <eristikophiles> Peace-- i find your setup to be pretty but a bit too bright and way too minimalist
[10:50] <harrison> Peace-:  Thanks, I'll give that a try then
[10:51] <harrison> Also, I'm an emacs user hehe
[10:51] <eristikophiles> akis- i'd say if you want the security of opera, then just be patient for that extra couple seconds it takes to load stuff
[10:51] <Peace-> harrison: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/05/07/kubuntu-904-driver/
[10:51] <eristikophiles> :) it's worth it generally
[10:51] <Peace-> eristikophiles: well you could use this then
[10:51] <Peace-> eristikophiles: http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/macstyle2.jpeg
[10:52] <Peace-> eristikophiles: or this one http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/gnome-defaltt-panel-kde.gif
[10:52] <Peace-> i have to go
[10:52] <Peace-> bye
[10:53] <akis> kde is great.
[10:53] <eristikophiles> Peace-- no thanks. i really like the way i have things
[10:53] <eristikophiles> did you see my screenshot?
[10:54] <eristikophiles> akis- i agree. i love kde
[10:54] <eristikophiles> it's so customizable
[10:55] <eristikophiles> my two panel setup takes a bit of time to set up at first but then it's awesome
[10:55] <eristikophiles> i can switch between apps in 3 ways- by desktop, with the taskman on the left that shows all running apps, and with the one on the bottom that only shows ones from the current desktop
[10:55] <eristikophiles> or i can kb shortcut it
[10:56] <eristikophiles> ctrl-alt-arrows move between desktops and alt-tab between windows
[10:56] <eristikophiles> oh wait no. ctrl-lshift-arrows
[10:56] <eristikophiles> hm. either shift, i guess. don't use rshift for it though
[10:56] <eristikophiles> :)
[10:57] <akis> me too, and i run my suse under kde for years. this is the reason i tried kubuntu, but i have browsing problems and i am considering to go to lxde 11.4 (suse) because my notebook cannot run 11.4 kde.
[10:57] <eristikophiles> hm
[10:58] <eristikophiles> i should emphasize that my screen setup is for a stationary computer with a 21" monitor
[10:58] <eristikophiles> it's a big ol' CRT too :)
[10:59] <eristikophiles> and i use an oldschool heavy-key kb
[10:59] <eristikophiles> anyway.. i should find something to do for a bit before i sleep
[10:59] <eristikophiles> perhaps some Buffy the Vampire Slayer :)
[11:16] <CQ> hello, I get normal bootup sounds on my system, but nothing on youtube... everything is set to pulse audio ... any ideas? volumes are on etc.
[11:16] <apple_cat> Well after not getting anything to work, I ended up restarting my computer twice while playing with loading different modules. Now everything is the same as before (using ath9k) and my wireless is working perfectly.  Hopefully this is the last I see of this problem,  it'd be horrible if this is an intermitant problem
[11:16] <apple_cat> CQ: Try installing a program called 'pavucontrol' and then using it to check where the sound is going (or even if there is any sound)
[11:18] <szal> CQ, apple_cat: normally you don't even need that..  see a playback stream from Flash in KMix -> it's there, just adjust where it's being output to
[11:18] <szal> see none, then you can start looking elsewhere
[11:19] <CQ> szal i don't see a flash stream there
[11:20] <szal> CQ: Flash running?
[11:21] <CQ> szal yes, video is now playing and no flash stream
[11:22] <apple_cat> CQ: I think it will be labeled 'npviewer.bin'
[11:23] <apple_cat> although... Maybe that depends on what browser you are using. I'm using chromium and it comes up as 'npviewer.bin'
[11:23] <CQ> ok, its an alsa plugin (npviewer.bin) ... then its there and on full volume
[11:23] <CQ> is there any way to test sound?
[11:24] <apple_cat> CQ: Right click on the name and go to 'Move' and see if you can select the right audio output
[11:25] <apple_cat> CQ: If npviewer.bin is showing up, it might just be that the sound is being routed to a different output that you are not monitoring, such as digital output
[11:25] <CQ> move is greyed out
[11:26] <szal> lol?
[11:27] <apple_cat> CQ: I don't usually use Kmix, i use a program called 'pavucontrol' to control sound outputs and routing for pulseaudio. Perhaps you will have more luck with that program... At the very least it is easier to select what output devices are being used
[11:28] <apple_cat> CQ: But otherwise... I'm not really sure, it's hard to get a clear picture of what is going on. If npviewer.bin is showing up and Move is greyed out, I'm assuming you only have one audio device and it has already defaulted to that
[11:29] <CQ> yes, internal analog stereo ...
[11:29] <CQ> pavucontrol shows the same thing... one output device, all volumes on ...
[11:29] <CQ> could I be missing a driver?
[11:30] <CQ> I think that a few days ago, something asked me if I wanted to remove a driver.... I thought I said no, but maybe it removed somethign anyway...
[11:30] <apple_cat> CQ: What browser are you using? Are you using any special implementation of flash ?
[11:30] <CQ> firefox, nothing special
[11:30] <CQ> can we test sound from the command line somehow first? I'm pretty sure I heard the bootup jingle, but nothing since then...
[11:32] <apple_cat> CQ: In pavucontrol, ALSA plug-in [npviewer.bin]: ALSA playback on [Internal Audio Analog Stereo]. When flash is playing do you see the volume meters moving?
[11:33] <apple_cat> CQ: Or even just they turn blue when the sound should be on, and they go back to grey when there is no sound from flash
[11:33] <CQ> hm, aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wavplays nothing ,.... trying https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[11:34] <CQ> no, the meters don't move
[11:34] <CQ> ... but my power management just warned me and made a sound ...
[11:35] <CQ> apple_cat: they just stay blue
[11:36] <apple_cat> CQ: In the configuration tab, is there anything there that looks wrong?
[11:38] <apple_cat> CQ: I guess that tells us that the sound is playing, so flash is working fine. The audio is just not going anywhere. That could either be pulseaudio not sending it to the correct place, or you have a problem with your audio device. But you said you hear sounds when you log on, so I guess your device is being detected
[11:38] <CQ> no, the only thing I have there is the internal audio with a pulldown ...
[11:38] <CQ> yes sudo aplay -l shows devices (analog and digital)
[11:39] <apple_cat> CQ:  and that pulldown says Analog Stereo Duplex/Output ?
[11:41] <CQ> i have two options, analog stereo output and analog stereo duples separately
[11:41] <apple_cat> CQ: Either one should work, that's all fine then
[11:42] <CQ> waita a minute, kmix is showing dummy output as the output device ....
[11:42] <apple_cat> CQ: That sounds like it could be a problem ^_^
[11:44] <CQ> according to the audio setup, everything is going to the pulse audio server... but that seems to not send it anywhere then?
[11:45] <CQ> how do I set up an output then?
[11:46] <CQ> going to try a reboot and se what happens
[11:47] <apple_cat> CQ: Ok, good luck
[11:47] <apple_cat> CQ: Playing sounds from other applications works fine?
[11:47] <apple_cat> CQ: if they do, you can see what happens in pavucontrol when you do and see what is happening differently to npviewer.bin
[12:06] <ilias> hi. although java is installed in my system firefox/opera cannot add it in their plug-ins. whato should i do?
[13:24] <hyb_> .g cygwin
[13:41] <fosstux> Hi! One question: I'm using Kubuntu 11.04 and I am having problems adding my bluetooth mouse to kubuntu.
[13:42] <fosstux> It disappears after a few seconds after setting it to trust and authorize.
[13:42] <fosstux> and it dows not remember the trust and auth settings...
[13:42] <fosstux> What is wrong???
[13:53] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[14:33] <pc_> hi
[14:43] <moonflux> are there a (trustworthy) qt 4.7.3 ppa available for natty?
[14:49] <kubu2> moonflux: I'm sure ppa owners trust their work.
[14:50] <moonflux> kubu2: heh. yeah, well, I'd start with any ppa but hoped for something like ~kubuntu-ppa
[15:28] <rosco_y> whenever I maximize a Konsole terminal, my system either freezes up, or gets very snowy--does anyone know how I can fix this?
[15:29] <amichair> how can I tell which processes are using swap and how much?
[15:30] <rosco_y> the "System Monitor" has that information
[15:30] <rosco_y> Applications/System/System Monitor
[15:32] <James147> amichair: dosnt matter which are using swap... what matter is how much memory they are using... the kernel handels which processing are being swaped out and generally it wont help to know which are
[15:32] <amichair> James147: if I knew which one is there, I'd know which one to kill when the system thrashes, or which one to limit the memory usage of, etc.
[15:33] <James147> amichair: then just look at memory usage, not which are being swaped out
[15:33] <amichair> James147: is it not possible?
[15:33] <rosco_y> amichair: The System Monitor might help
[15:33] <rosco_y> Applications/System/System Monitor
[15:33] <amichair> rosco_y: I don't see swap details anywhere there...
[15:34]  * rosco_y my bad...checking
[15:34] <James147> amichair: dont worry about which are being swaped... its likly the the ones that are ARNT causing the problem
[15:35] <rosco_y> amichair: I suppose it depends on what level of detail you want to go into:  mine shows memory and swap history
[15:35] <amichair> is there a way to tell how much total memory is being used by a process (RAM+swap)? excluding commited but unused virtual memory space?
[15:35] <rosco_y> under System Load
[15:36] <rosco_y> I think the "free" command in a terminal may be used for that
[15:36] <amichair> rosco_y: true, but my question was regarding the processes using swap, not just the total
[15:36] <James147> amichair: process that are swaped out generally arnt being used... if you are having a problem with a runaway process then it will be loading info into ram and the kernel will be swaping out other process to compensate.... look at the total ram usage NOT the swap usage of a process to find the mnissbehaving programs
[15:37] <amichair> James147: ram usage alone doesn't tell how much memory a process is using (since part of it might be swapped out)
[15:37] <rosco_y> James147: good call
[15:37] <James147> amichair: then look at total memory usage
[15:38] <amichair> James147: how do I do that?
[15:38] <James147> amichair: system monitor "memory" is good enough.... it dosnt care about ram/swap just the total memory
[15:38] <James147> amichair: everything just measures memory... not if swap or ram is being used
[15:38] <rosco_y> you may also be interested in "top"
[15:39] <James147> (for indivdual processes that is)
[15:39] <amichair> from what I understand (correct me if I'm wrong), that (or VIRT in htop) shows the total memory mapped by the application, not what is actually used
[15:40] <James147> amichair: I think virt is something else (to do with shared and actual program memort) not to do with swap and ram
[15:40] <rosco_y> amichair: try "top" in a terminal
[15:40] <amichair> for example, if you have a tiny C program that allocates an array of 1G and does nothing with it, it will show 1G used, even though the memory was never allocated by the OS because the pages were never used (so nothing in RAM, and nothing to SWAP)
[15:41] <James147> amichair: you can only measure the amount of "virtual" memory a program uses... not whether it is using ram or swap... (virtual here means ram + swap)
[15:42] <amichair> James147: that's my question though, how do I see allocated memory (ram + swap), excluding memory that's mapped but not really used or allocated
[15:42] <rosco_y> whenever I maximize a Konsole terminal, my system either freezes up, or gets very snowy--does anyone know how I can fix this?
[15:42] <rosco_y> I'd like to turn off all the window effects, where can I do that?
[15:43] <amichair> rosco_y: system settings -> desktop effects
[15:43] <James147> amichair: the "memory" column in system monitor... %mem column in htop...
[15:43] <rosco_y> amichair: thank you
[15:44] <amichair> James147: isn't that just the percentage of total RAM used? (i.e. RES / total)
[15:44] <amichair> 100 * RES / total, that is
[15:44] <rosco_y> amichair: Thank you--no more freezup when I maximize my konsoles :)
[15:57] <amichair> well, I found an ugly workaround (but useful for diagnostics) - running swapoff causes the swapped pages to be mapped back to RAM, after which I can see where the memory went (added to RES of respective processes)
[15:58] <amichair> and then swapon again
[15:58] <amichair> of course this can only work if there's more free RAM than used swap...
[16:00] <amichair> then I can also know how much memory is really being used by the process (RES), and how much is mapped as virtual but not really allocated or used (VIRT-RES)
[16:01] <amichair> e.g., plasma-desktop shows 1236M VIRT, but actually uses only 101M
[16:02] <amichair> James147: ^^ in case you ever need it (or someone else asks) :-)
[16:14] <Codenomics> howdy
[16:22] <Codenomics> where do I change the desktop theme on this thing?
[16:23] <James147> System setting >> application apearance or workspace apearance
[16:24] <Codenomics> oh there is it
[16:24] <Codenomics> thanks
[16:25] <Codenomics> I was in the setting and just kept skimming oer those two somehow
[16:37] <Linkmaster> anyone here use KOffice?
[16:37] <James147> !anyone | Linkmaster
[16:37] <Linkmaster> ._.
[16:38] <Linkmaster> Well, in other word processors, if you click on the document, it allows you to move the cursor to that point. In KOffice, its not allowing me that. Any ideas, or does it simply not work?
[16:39] <James147> ^^ as far as I know it should
[16:39] <Linkmaster> Huh...well, its not D: I click on the document halfway through it, and the little blinky thing stays at the very first character spot
[16:40] <James147> Linkmaster: what version?
[16:41] <Linkmaster> Newest? I used 'apt-get' about 4 days ago to get it, no new updates, so I'm assuming its the newest
[16:42] <James147> Linkmaster: ^^ can ou find out (the help menu should tell you)...
[16:42] <Linkmaster> 2.3.3
[16:42] <BluesKaj> !libreoffice
[16:42] <Linkmaster> and its koffice, not libreoffice or openoffice
[16:43] <BluesKaj> yes, Linkmaster , Iwas suggesting libreoffice
[16:43] <Linkmaster> Hmm..
[16:43] <James147> Linkmaster: hmm, well its working here :s what fileformate are you using ?
[16:43]  * Linkmaster is a diehard KDE kid and is wondering what James147 means by fileformate
[16:44] <James147> Linkmaster: .doc .odt ...
[16:44] <Linkmaster> oh..uh, a new document?
[16:44] <Linkmaster> But I stay recursevly for .odt
[16:44] <Linkmaster> unless I need to send a file to a MSword user...then I send a .txt file xD
[16:45] <James147> hmm... your right does the same thing here.. looks like a bug.
[16:45] <Linkmaster> Hm..bummer
[16:46] <Linkmaster> But if you start up an .odt, it should work?
[16:46] <James147> though it works fine in a document created in another program :S
[16:46] <James147> Linkmaster: you might want to ask in #koffice
[16:47] <Linkmaster> sure, let me pop over there
[17:00] <arved> hi, since i upgraded to natty, i can not communicate via http with KDE applications (Konqueror, akregator, amarok), anyone got an idea?
[17:00] <Codenomics> with a default kubuntu setup, is there a way to access ftp through the fiel manager?
[17:01] <Codenomics> file*
[17:02] <arved> Codenomics: Network -> Add Network Folder -> FTP ?
[17:03] <Codenomics> ell that seems easoy
[17:03] <Codenomics> well*
[17:04] <James147> Codenomics: or just use ftp://URL in the adress
[17:04] <James147> (or sftp://  if the server has ssh since it far more secure)
[17:05] <Codenomics> i actully wanted shortcuts to it
[17:05] <Codenomics> arved: that was perfect
[17:05] <Codenomics> James147: it is just a home server
[17:06] <James147> Codenomics: still, ssh is easy to use and vastly more secure...
[17:06] <arved> James147: just not performant :)
[17:08] <James147> arved: really?
[17:08] <Codenomics> James147: meh, either way works
[17:10] <arved> James147: well crypto takes CPU cycles...
[17:11] <James147> arved: but ssh can also compress so can reduce the amount needed to transfer... it depends on the envroment
[17:11] <Codenomics> I figure it this way... what can ftp hurt?
[17:12] <Codenomics> no real reason to change how I have everything setup
[17:13] <arved> James147: well in my environment with 100Mbit/1000Gigabit links performance is usually cpu bound
[17:47] <djazproductions0> hi
[17:47] <djazproductions0> hi all
[17:47] <vbgunz> curious but has anyone experienced vbox at version 2? and how lightning fast it used to be compared to the monstrosity of slowness and unbearable responsiveness it is today? surely this can't be right?
[17:48] <djazproductions0> what is vbox
[17:48] <vbgunz> virtualbox
[17:48] <djazproductions0> oh ok
[17:48] <djazproductions0> is that media software
[17:49] <vbgunz> it's a virtual machine manager.
[17:49] <djazproductions0> oh right
[17:49] <djazproductions0> im new to this os its damn good though
[17:49] <djazproductions0> better than ubuntu
[17:50] <vbgunz> yeah, I agree. I used to use ubuntu about 5 years ago for about 2 years then switched to kubuntu and never once looked back
[17:51] <jhutchins_lt> So is muon a package manager or just a GUI manager for apt?
[17:51] <djazproductions0> ubuntu is good but i like this as had problems with ubuntu the hard drive failed
[17:51] <djazproductions0> i had to intall kubuntu onto a flash drive
[17:52] <djazproductions0> where can i get the flash player need for facebook games
[17:52] <djazproductions0> as i tried them but it wouldnt work
[17:56] <szal> vbgunz: can't say that VBox 4 is slow
[17:57] <akis> hi, could u plz advise me how can i setup java so chrome/opera could initilize applets?
[17:58] <vbgunz> it's so painfully slow, I'd really rather install onto a new partition and dual boot to test new distros. I thought it had something to do with noapic 1 or more processors, 32/64 bit and no matter what I do, it's forever butt slow. it never ever used to be like this. was curious if anyone else experienced this
[17:59] <James147> vbgunz: not noticed vbox4 being slow ^^ problem a problem with your setup
[17:59] <James147> brobally a problem :)
[17:59] <James147> :p
[17:59]  * James147 gives up trying to type today
[18:00] <szal> lol
[18:01] <vbgunz> vbox was never slow for me. I had xp, win 7 and several distros and never noticed a problem. now, no matter what I install, it's just a slowbox. It used to be awesome. just not anymore :(
[18:02] <James147> vbgunz: a problem with your host?
[18:02] <vbgunz> I think kubuntu is near perfect.
[18:02] <James147> vbgunz: at elast the vbox setup on your host
[18:04] <vbgunz> I deleted and purge everything vbox. all configurations are gone. new install. I used to use the binary version and that's probably why it was super awesome. today, I am trying only to use ose from the repos and it's just nothing like it used to be
[18:05] <szal> vbgunz: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads <- section "Debian-based Linux distributions"
[18:06] <vbgunz> szal: that's what I used to use. I haven't downloaded a deb in a very long time and have been trying to use the ose version in the official repos.
[18:07] <akis> any help plz
[18:07] <vbgunz> I never had a problem with the binaries from the site *but* lately the ose is really terrible in performance, at least for me
[18:26] <djazproductions0> where can i get a flash player
[18:26] <genii-around> !flash
[19:11] <Codenomics> can anyone recommend a nice clean dockbar app?
[19:11] <Codenomics> that doesnt require composite?
[19:13] <ilias> hi all. could u plz advise me how can i check if my system (10.04) has detected my winmodem and has installed driver for it.
[19:13] <Librarat> Codenomics: cairodock is nice, but it's gnome dependent (though, I just hack and slash around that).
[19:14] <Librarat> On that note, is there any decent applet that I can set statically for a console window? eg: auto-start at bootup, fixed position, no borders etc?  The stock terminal window puts me into kernel panic when I try to resize it :s
[19:14] <Codenomics> cairo is composite dependant aint it?
[19:15] <Librarat> Codenomics: I think it might be, I can't remember to be honest. But like I said, I just hack and slash around that :P
[19:16] <Librarat> Codenomics: I'm like a blind man with a chainsaw on my messaround box.  If it b reaks, break it more and then give it some oil.  Seems to fix it.  If you apt-get install cairodock, it will pull in the dependencys
[19:16] <Librarat> Codenomics: However, you need to edit a few of the .py files to be able to open up the config window, as KDE doesn't have some of the icons that it depends on.
[19:17] <Codenomics> I just want something that will work lol
[19:17] <Codenomics> dont want to put that much effort into it
[19:17] <Librarat> :P KDE sadly has few options for nice docks.
[19:17] <mr-rich> Any ideas on filtering russian spam?
[19:17] <Librarat> mr-rich: use gmail :)
[19:17] <Codenomics> i can just create a seond kde bar at the top of the screen i guess
[19:17] <ZeDingo> spam filters for russian characters?
[19:18] <Codenomics> mr-rich: gmail has uber spam filters
[19:18] <Codenomics> I actually just checked mine the other day and noticed that there were 600 spam emails in there, and only one of them wasnt spam
[19:19] <mr-rich> Codenomics: I have a gmail account ... don't use it much ... I need to filter russian spam coming into my main account ...
[19:19] <ZeDingo> gmail can access a pop3/smtp account, yknow
[19:19] <Librarat> ^ Bingo
[19:21] <Librarat> Codenomics: Let me show you my desktop, see what you think.  Cairodock actually, on second look, installs nicely into KDE, provided you are using Kubuntu and not Ubuntu with the KDE packages pulled secondarily
[19:21] <Codenomics> I am on a fresh kubuntu install
[19:22] <Librarat> Codenomics: Alright, give me a second and I'll show you my desktop (I too am pretty fresh, havn't bothered adding my custom icons)
[19:22] <Codenomics> i have used cairo in the past
[19:22] <Codenomics> I can just pop it on and see how it works
[19:22] <Codenomics> if it does it does, if not then i will remove it lol
[19:22] <Librarat> easy enough, yea :)
[19:23] <Codenomics> lol
[19:23] <Codenomics> the graphics card on this machine sucks
[19:23] <Librarat> Alright, give me a second and Ill screenshot
[19:23] <Codenomics> dont worry about it
[19:23] <Codenomics> installing already lol
[19:23] <Librarat> Codenomics: that being the case, dont use teh GLX dock, use the non-opengl version (it comes with both)
[19:23] <Codenomics> horribly slow starbucks wifi connetion lol
[19:23] <Librarat> Codenomics: well fun, screw you then :P
[19:24] <Codenomics> lol
[19:24] <Librarat> fine* :P
[19:24] <Codenomics> the non opengl?
[19:24] <Librarat> yea, if your GPU sucks use the non-opengl one
[19:25] <Librarat> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/24/plasma-desktopYA1784.jpg
[19:25] <Librarat> there ya go
[19:26] <Codenomics> all I can find are the GLX-Dock version and the regular cairo-dok install
[19:26] <Codenomics> no others
[19:27] <Librarat> install cairodock
[19:27] <Codenomics> yeah I just read a little deeper lol
[19:27] <Librarat> In your applications, you will see two variants - non-glx and glx
[19:27] <Codenomics> they are two different installs
[19:27] <Codenomics> wow this damn place just got busy
[19:27] <Librarat> If you install the regular one, it will install both
[19:28] <Codenomics> Librarat: oh oi
[19:28] <Codenomics> ok**
[19:28] <Codenomics> i am sposed to be doing my homework lol
[19:28] <Librarat> In the summer? 0.o I just got out of school :p
[19:29] <Codenomics> i am in college
[19:29] <Librarat> Ditto, though I am taking a few summer classes. They start in July
[19:29] <Codenomics> wow, the non opengl version has a large blackbox around everything
[19:30] <Codenomics> that dont look too pretty
[19:32] <Codenomics> works great but has this black chunk covering all the realestate that it uses
[19:33] <Librarat> try GLX, see if your card can keep up
[19:34] <Codenomics> http://medammit.homeserver.com:888/GetFile/EUKEUMPMGOK.png
[19:36] <Librarat> Try the GLX version, Codenomics
[19:36] <Librarat> Codenomics: did you see my screenshot? http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/24/plasma-desktopYA1784.jpg
[19:36] <Codenomics> my machine is crapping on itself right now
[19:36] <Codenomics> lololol
[19:37] <Codenomics> cairo locked up and I cant kill it
[19:37] <Codenomics> proccess isnt showing up in top either
[19:38] <Codenomics> wth?
[19:38] <Codenomics> no ctrl
[19:38] <Codenomics> no ctrl alt bckspc?
[19:38] <Codenomics> grr
[19:39] <genii-around> !dontzap
[19:39] <James147> Codenomics: alt+printscreen + k
[19:39] <maco> Codenomics: upstream Xorg disabled that by default years ago
[19:39] <Codenomics> ubuntulo1: it is too late right now
[19:39] <maco> James147: it's alt+sysrq. just because your keyboard puts them on the same key doesnt mean all do
[19:39] <Codenomics> i kinda need it right now
[19:41] <ZeDingo> is there something similar to path in windows that i need to do to run java from any folder?
[19:43] <pierre__> hello
[19:44] <ilias> could u plz advise me how can i check if my system (10.04) has detected my winmodem and has installed driver for it.
[19:44] <pierre__> any one can tell me how i can get realtime kernel on ubuntu 11.04?
[19:44] <James147> ZeDingo: yes.. though it should be added to the PATH varible when you install it (assuming you did installed it through the packagemanager)
[19:45] <ZeDingo> didn't use the package manager
[19:45] <James147> ZeDingo: why not?
[19:45] <ZeDingo> because that's no fun!
[19:45] <ZeDingo> and i couldn't find sun's jvm in it
[19:45] <James147> -_-
[19:45] <ZeDingo> openjdk breaks minecraft
[19:45] <James147> !sun
[19:45] <James147> !java
[19:46] <pierre__> now some on tellme me openJDK kill minecraft -.-"
[19:47]  * Librarat is glad he doesnt play minecraft
[19:50] <ZeDingo> pierre__, yeah, notch tells us
[19:50] <pierre__> oh well
[19:51] <ZeDingo> in the first book of mojang, chapter 6: And use not that wicked OpenJDK, for it shall break thine machine.
[19:51] <Codenomics> holy crappy video cards dell man!
[19:51] <pierre__> now i just need to get my self a lowlatency
[19:51] <pierre__> now i just need to get my self a lowlatency kernel
[19:55] <genii-around> ZeDingo: You might also want to just use update-alternatives to add the locations of your manually installed version, and then to make them the defaults for java and javaws
[20:00] <pierre__> Hmmm...
[20:00] <ZeDingo> oh ffs
[20:00] <pierre__> i think i just figuredout hot to get a lowlatency kernel oh well close enough i just need the raw power >.>
[20:00] <ZeDingo> minecraft bleeds through in chromium
[20:01] <ZeDingo> and downloaded version won't run
[20:01] <pierre__> now  can run minecraft at extream speeds >:D
[20:02] <pierre__> but kde still buggy >:E
[20:02] <pierre__> oh well im out >:O
[20:02] <vbgunz> pierre__: whats buggy?
[20:02] <pierre__> KDE rekonq!
[20:02] <pierre__> it allways CRASHES >XO
[20:02] <vbgunz> pierre__: it happens when you viewing flash vids and stuff?
[20:02] <pierre__> yep :|
[20:03] <vbgunz> pierre__: go to any youtube video and right click the video. then deselect hardware acceleration
[20:03] <vbgunz> solved all my problems. by any chance you have an nvidia card?
[20:04] <pierre__> yep :|
[20:04] <vbgunz> do as I said. videos will still play great
[20:04] <pierre__> im on a mac...go ahead let it all out yeah mac suck what eva
[20:04] <vbgunz> no, just do as I said. that should help
[20:05] <vbgunz> at least try it and if it doesn't help, it's too easy to put back the way it was
[20:05] <pierre__> oki now if there was only a way to make the rest of kde smoother and more stable |:
[20:05] <vbgunz> pierre__: you have nvidia binaries?
[20:06] <pierre__> oh no i have the blob drivers and all im just disapointed in the way KDE gobbles up my memory |:
[20:06] <vbgunz> pierre__: personally, I have no idea why what I am about to say isn't the default *but* it helped me out bigtime (could be a placebo effect) but try this
[20:07] <vbgunz> echo QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=raster > ~/.kde/env/qt-raster.sh
[20:07] <vbgunz> then chmod +x ~/.kde/env/qt-raster.sh
[20:08] <vbgunz> then restart X
[20:08] <pierre__> i allready have the QT grahics settings and i did set it to raster... no noticable diference
[20:08] <vbgunz> It works wonders on my end, I noticed a big difference
[20:08] <pierre__> i dont know maybe its the way the compile the binaries over at ubuntu /:
[20:08] <vbgunz> you could try a fresh xorg.conf and no nvidia-settings.rc file. and see how the defaults work out for you
[20:09] <pierre__> oki ill try that sometime
[20:09] <vbgunz> cool, hopefully your flash problems are all done now
[20:09] <vbgunz> good luck
[20:09] <pierre__> thanx
[20:10] <pierre__> now i going to reboot and hope i can get this lowlatency kernel running to help turn my mac to a beast >:E
[20:10] <vbgunz> good luck with that :)
[20:10] <mr-rich> How do I restart spamd?
[20:10] <vbgunz> mr-rich: if it's a service try this: sudo service spamd restart
[20:11] <mr-rich> vbgunz: not a service ...
[20:12] <Librarat> mr-rich: try just $ sudo spamd restart
[20:12] <Librarat> mr-rich: if that doesn't work, run:   $ sudo /etc/init.d/spamd restart
[20:13] <szal> wth is spamd?
[20:14] <szal> does it send spam e-mails? :P
[20:14] <szal> or does it produce canned meat? :D
[20:14] <vbgunz> mr-rich: you sure it isn't spampd or spamc?
[20:15] <vbgunz> mr-rich: if you're sure it's spamd, try to man spamd then press / and search for restart
[20:15] <mr-rich> Librarat: finally just sighup'd the pid ...
[20:16] <mr-rich> but that didn't solve my problem ... I need to filter mail via language and it seems that language detection is now a plugin ...
[20:20] <genii-around> mr-rich: This one? http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.1.x/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin_Plugin_TextCat.html
[20:25] <wornof> I'm trying to make my trackball work in 11.04. I followed the ubuntu instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Logitech_Marblemouse_USB , and it all works (including seeing the results in Xorg.0.log, '[ 11961.976] (**) Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" '), but I don't get 3-button-emulation
[20:25] <wornof> Any ideas how to fix that?
[21:18] <olskolirc> I'm on Natty Kubuntu - where is my boot menu please or Grub gui?
[21:19] <Tm_T> olskolirc: try pressing shift during boot
[21:19] <olskolirc> I want to look at it from the desktop Tm_T like the good ol days
[21:20] <Tm_T> olskolirc: I'm not sure what you're asking now
[21:24] <olskolirc> used to be a box in system settings Tm_T where we could edit and download boot splash and edit grub
[21:28] <gomiboy> olskolirc: never used myself, but you probably want to install kde-config-grub2
[21:29] <olskolirc> thanks gomiboy
[21:38] <Belial`> is anyone else having a problem with kopete constantly disconnecting?
[21:49] <girish> some thing problem with rekonq when we search some thing in google then click on the one of the link and after to the searched list cant click on any of the link have to refresh the page ... so why it happen so
[21:54] <BluesKaj> !tty
[21:55] <Cammy> Belial, Kopete and Xchat both disconnect for me when the monitor goes into power saving mode
[21:55] <Cammy> When I move the mouse again, all my servers reconnect
[21:56] <girish> dude somebody plz telme which browser is good for kubuntu
[21:56] <Cammy> Opera
[21:56] <James147> chromium :)
[21:56] <szal> the one you find best suits you
[21:57] <James147> ^^ though it highly depends on your tasts
[21:57] <James147> ^^ i suggest tring at least firefox and chromium
[21:58] <Cammy> And then settle on Opera when you realise how much faster it is
[21:59] <girish> thanx for ur suggestions i'll try these
[22:00] <Belial> mmhh Cammy?
[22:00] <Cammy> I was replying to something you asked earlier
[22:01] <Cammy> About Kopete disconnecting all the time
[22:01] <Belial> Wasnt me :) I have a clone apparently!
[22:01] <Belial> Apologies
[22:01] <Belial`> oh snap
 is anyone else having a problem with kopete constantly disconnecting?
[22:01] <Cammy> I guess so
[22:02] <Belial`> i looked at him replying and thought someone jacked my nickname
[22:02] <Belial`> then i remembered i use the ` for freenode.
[22:02] <Cammy> So you both like this name, what does it mean?
[22:02] <Cammy> Is he a character from something?
[22:03] <Cammy> There was another girl on Efnet who used to try and claim my nick, so I had to use Cammmy sometimes
[22:07] <LjL> where do i configure/enable input methods?
[22:08] <girish> cool
[22:37] <olskolirc_> where is the official kubuntu facebook account please?  I find many with only a few thousand while ubuntu has over 400 thousand?
[22:49] <LjL> where do i configure/enable input methods?
[22:50] <James147> LjL: System settings > Shortcuts and Gestuers  Custom shortcuts?
[22:51] <LjL> James147: by input methods i mean IME, like for writing in chinese or japanese
[22:51] <James147> LjL: :) then you should say that
[22:52] <LjL> well that's what "input method" means in computers
[22:52] <James147> LjL: you tried locale in system settings?
[22:52] <LjL> i did, but i couldn't find it there
[22:53] <natman2> hello
[22:53] <James147> LjL: input devices > keyboard
[22:54] <LjL> James147: as far as i can see that only gives me a Japanese (or whatever) keyboard layout, not an actual IME selection
[22:54]  * James147 isnt sure then
[23:13] <naught101> I'm on Natty on an eMachines em350, and my entire system is completely locking up at apparently random intervals (sometimes 4-5 hours, sometimes 1 minutes).
[23:13] <naught101> How would I go about finding out why?
[23:13] <naught101> (I have to hard reboot)
[23:18] <naught101> is /var/log/dmesg moved to dmesg.0 on boot? ie. is where the last dmesg stops when my system crashed?
[23:20] <gomiboy> naught101: yes, but i doubt you'll find something... it's a hard crash, no time to write on disk :(
[23:20] <naught101> gomiboy: no, I know, but the last thing that happens there is something to do with wireless, so perhaps it's related
[23:54] <ZeDingo> linux driver for my realtek sound bad idea or worst idea
[23:55] <ZeDingo> i'm still trying to get minecraft to run on here