[00:00] <hydrozii> when i installed lubuntu on this computer there was no network card in it... could that be a problem?
[00:00] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, not really
[00:00] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, can you connect it with a wired connection to check for additional  drivers and possibly even apply updates?
[00:01] <hydrozii> yes i have
[00:01] <hydrozii> my computer is fully updated and there is no additional drivers
[00:03] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, are you sure the card is turned on?
[00:04] <hydrozii> no, but im thinking the wirless light on the top of my computer being blue means it is
[00:04] <hydrozii> is that right?
[00:04] <GTRsdk> which model laptop?
[00:04] <hydrozii> compaq presario cq60
[00:06] <GTRsdk> did it work in Maverick?
[00:08] <hydrozii> was that 10.10?
[00:08] <JackyAlcine> atheros is fully supported on Ubuntu,
[00:08] <hydrozii> it did work perfectly before in lubuntu
[00:08] <hydrozii> when it stoped i assumed that my network card was broken and ordered another one
[00:09] <GTRsdk> 10.10 = maverick
[00:09] <hydrozii> yes it worked in 10.10
[00:09] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, did it stop once you upgraded?
[00:09] <hydrozii> no it stoped before that
[00:10] <hydrozii> i have been plugging it in directly since it broke
[00:10] <hydrozii> and have upgraded since then
[00:10] <hydrozii> when you plug in a new network card to a linux machine, what typically happens?
[00:10] <hydrozii> does it simply work?
[00:11] <GTRsdk> maybe the port/slot/whatever it is called died
[00:11] <hydrozii> :/
[00:11] <hydrozii> maybe
[00:11] <hydrozii> the old one wouldn't work in other labtops either
[00:11] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, when I plug a wireless card into the computer, it says wireless netwroks are awailable. Then I can click on the icon on the panel and join the network
[00:12] <hydrozii> so there is no drivers that need to be downloaded or anything
[00:12] <GTRsdk> right
[00:12] <GTRsdk> it "just works"
[00:13] <hydrozii> well my dad will assume its a software problem and i will be forced to install some form of windows to prove otherwise
[00:14] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, maybe you could get a USB card?
[00:14] <hydrozii> maybe
[00:15] <hydrozii> are most usb cards compatible?
[00:15] <GTRsdk> some are, some aren't. I have a Belkin F5D8053 V3000 that works
[00:15] <KM0201> i'ev also got that exact belkin, works fine
[00:16] <KM0201> hydrozii: what is your internal wireless device, this might be a fairly easy fix if its not working
[00:18] <hydrozii> how do i find out what my internal wireless device is?
[00:18] <hydrozii> thats not the wireless card?
[00:19] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, the atheros card is internal, right?
[00:21] <hydrozii> when i click on the wirless icon it says " wireless network(Atheros AR5001 Wirless Network Adapter) wireless is disabled"
[00:21] <hydrozii> and underneath that is a checkbox that says "enable wireless" but i have that checked...
[00:21] <hydrozii> so how do i enable wireless...?
[00:21] <GTRsdk> make sure the enable wireless is active
[00:22] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, is there an annoying switch on the laptop?
[00:22] <GTRsdk> one that could easily get switched off?
[00:22] <hydrozii> there is an annoying button
[00:22] <hydrozii> no i don't think so
[00:22] <GTRsdk> see what it does
[00:23] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, maybe a BIOS setting was changed?
[00:23] <hydrozii> im faily certain that it turns my wireless on and off.... and when its blue that means on.... i have to press it about a million times to get it to change colors
[00:23] <hydrozii> should i look for a bios setting that could have been changed?
[00:24] <GTRsdk> yeah
[00:24] <hydrozii> alright then brb
[00:24] <hydrozii> hang on it tells me that wirless is disabled by hardware switch
[00:24] <hydrozii> im gonna mess with this button for a minute
[00:30] <hydrozii> i couldn't find any options mentioning wireless in bios, i really don't think thats the problem
[00:32] <hydrozii> well i give up for now
[00:32] <hydrozii> ill see you guys later thanks for the help
[02:31] <zen_monkey> nights, am having trouble with X and a TNT2 on lubuntu 11.04
[02:31] <zen_monkey> anyone up for a chat? :D
[02:37] <zen_monkey> when i turn the pc on screen flickers a couple of times then i can see few of the starting services (bluetooth is the last) and pauses there
[03:40] <mikedep334> zen_monkey: recovery mode?
[03:41] <mikedep334> hold down shift to prevent Ubuntu skipping through the grub2 menu
[03:41] <mikedep334> if that works, you can install openssh-server and see if you can at least ssh into it during a normal boot
[03:41] <mikedep334> honestly, I don't even know what driver a TNT2 would use
[03:42] <mikedep334> nv still?
[03:42] <mikedep334> oh, they're the oldest cards supported by nouveau
[03:42] <zen_monkey> hey hi
[03:43] <mikedep334> http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Suspend_support
[03:43] <mikedep334> "can suspend/resume reliably except for a TNT2 that has other issues.. This support is only available when kernel modesetting is switched on, so that's even more reason to use it!"
[03:43] <zen_monkey> somehow i'm experiencing various issues with this thingy
[03:43] <mikedep334> I recently had to disable modesetting for couple of Radeon cards to work
[03:43] <mikedep334> it's both a kernel parameter and a /etc/modules parameter
[03:44] <mikedep334> or you can use whatever /etc/<Folder Name>/ modules config can go in as well
[03:44] <zen_monkey> ubuntu live 10.04 starts in low graphic mode, kubuntu stoped working after upgrading to 10.04 and lubuntu is not working X
[03:45] <mikedep334> zen_monkey: my best guess would still be to disable KMS
[03:45] <mikedep334> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODAwMg
[03:45] <mikedep334> "The Nouveau stack in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS provides 2D and X-Video acceleration with kernel mode-setting."
[03:45] <zen_monkey> one wierd thing is that running Xorg -configure detects many screens
[03:45] <zen_monkey> and i only have one
[03:46] <mikedep334> zen_monkey: I've seen stupid stuff like that
[03:46] <zen_monkey> and quits config with an error
[03:46] <mikedep334> wait
[03:46] <mikedep334> I don't think you need to use Xorg -configure
[03:46] <mikedep334> you should be able to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:47] <mikedep334> also, you may need to run your command with sudo
[03:47] <mikedep334> (sorry, I don't know exactly how much you know about this stuff)
[03:47] <zen_monkey> why there's no xorg.conf on /etc/X11/
[03:47] <zen_monkey> ?
[03:47] <mikedep334> zen_monkey: because recent versions of X no longer include it unless you're manually configuring X
[03:47] <mikedep334> X is now meant to be auto-configured
[03:47] <zen_monkey> ic
[03:48] <mikedep334> eg, if you need it to load 'fglrx' or 'nvidia', the utilities would generate an xorg.conf
[03:48] <zen_monkey> let me check dpkg-reconfigure to see what surprises it has for me
[03:48] <mikedep334> zen_monkey: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting#Disabling_KMS
[03:48] <zen_monkey> brb
[03:48] <mikedep334> try that
[03:49] <mikedep334> I need to go to bed badly
[03:49] <mikedep334> ttyl
[03:50] <zen_monkey> mikedep334: well thanks till now, it's not too late here and i'm standing for a fight hehe
[03:53] <mikedep334> zen_monkey: np, gl
[05:59] <Tatsujln> The sound works directly on this motherboard when running ubuntu but not when running lubuntu http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_CPU_on_Board/E35M1I_DELUXE/#specifications
[05:59] <Tatsujln> and it's a headache trying to get the drivers to install
[05:59] <Tatsujln> manually since i'm a beginner
[05:59] <Tatsujln> just curious if theres some special package in synaptics that would solve it
[06:01] <Tatsujln> i've tried http://black-pixel.net/alc892realtek-id-892-on-mint-linuxubuntu.html
[06:01] <Tatsujln> it does not work
[06:01] <Tatsujln> :(
[06:03] <Tatsujln> getting can not remove /dev/snd and alsaconf not found are some of the errors i'm getting among other stuff
[06:03] <Tatsujln> getting-
[06:04] <GTRsdk> Tatsujln, linux-firmware-nonfree?
[06:05] <Tatsujln> just installed it , whats the next step
[06:05] <GTRsdk> does it work>
[06:08] <GTRsdk> Tatsujln, if that doesn't work, you might have to check on the additional drivers (jockey-gtk) application
[06:08] <Tatsujln> one sec , just fiddling around here.
[06:19] <Tatsujln> gotta reboot and see if this works
[06:22] <Tatsujln> nope still no sound
[06:22] <Tatsujln> jockey-gtk only gives me a gfx driver
[06:22] <GTRsdk> Tatsujln, which version?
[06:23] <Tatsujln> alsa-driver-1.0.24 and latest lubuntu
[06:23] <Tatsujln> gnome alsa mixer is empty
[06:23] <GTRsdk> Tatsujln, which Ubuntu did it work in?
[06:23] <Tatsujln> the latest
[06:23] <GTRsdk> Tatsujln, you have all updates aplied?
[06:23] <GTRsdk> and it is not muted?
[06:24] <Tatsujln> well i can't unmute it since alsamixer is empty
[06:24] <Tatsujln> theres no sound option in the corner as usual either.
[06:25] <GTRsdk> strange
[06:25] <bioterror> hmmm
[06:25] <bioterror> could this be a case of alsaconf
[06:31] <Tatsujln> i'm new to linux so i'm at a dead end.
[06:33] <GTRsdk> Tatsujln, is there anything preventing you from using Ubuntu?
[06:33] <Tatsujln> Yes i hate it compared to Lubuntu :)
[06:33] <GTRsdk> Tatsujln, reasons?
[06:34] <Tatsujln> too bloated , i only have a 32gb ssd
[06:34] <Tatsujln> i also prefer lubuntus classical style
[06:35] <Tatsujln> anyways , i guess i'll have to do some google digging on how to solve this , thanks for the help though.
[06:35] <jmarsden> Tatsujln: Have you considered installing Ubuntu, then installing lubuntu-desktop, and removing the unwanted GNOME stuff?
[06:35] <jmarsden> Not ideal, but if you know sound works for you in Ubuntu, it might be worth trying.
[06:36] <GTRsdk> jmarsden, which package in Ubuntu provides sound support that isn't in Lubuntu though?
[06:36] <Tatsujln> ah didn't notice that was possible , i'll have to check it out
[06:37] <jmarsden> GTRsdk: I don't know, but for him something is different... if you want to help debug exactly what is responsible for the sound difference, go for it, I don't have the time available to do that I'm afraid :)
[06:37] <GTRsdk> jmarsden, I don't know programming :(
[06:37] <Tatsujln> before when compiling it there was some path errors
[06:38] <Tatsujln> i don't think the issue is very complicated to solve for linux programmers but for me it is since i'm a linux n00b
[06:38] <jmarsden> Compiling it?  You *compiled* Lubuntu??  Why not just use the pre-made ISO?
[06:38] <Tatsujln> i mean the sound driver
[06:38] <jmarsden> Ah, so for Ubuntu you had to manually compile a 3rd party driver?
[06:38] <Tatsujln> it looks as if it doesn't find the folders it wants to find that are in ubuntu but that are different in lubuntu
[06:39] <jmarsden> Earlier you said: <Tatsujln> The sound works directly on this motherboard when running ubuntu
[06:39] <jmarsden> You did not say you had to compile anything!
[06:40] <Tatsujln> yup the sound works directly in ubuntu without me having to do anything but with lubuntu i have to try to compile alsa-driver-1.0.24-5.16rc14.tar.bz2 on my own
[06:40] <GTRsdk> Tatsujln, ubuntu-bug?
[06:40] <Tatsujln> and thats where the problem begins
[06:41] <jmarsden> Um... OK... so what led you to try compiling stuff?  What made you pick that file to try to compile?  Do any of our Lubuntu wiki pages suggest doing that?
[06:42] <Tatsujln> nope i can't find any lubuntu specific article so i have to check what the ubuntu people are doing to compile it
[06:42] <Tatsujln> http://black-pixel.net/alc892realtek-id-892-on-mint-linuxubuntu.html
[06:42] <Tatsujln> like this dude for example
[06:42] <Tatsujln> and some alc892 threads on the ubuntu forum
[06:43] <jmarsden> That article is not about Lubuntu.  Following random articles that you guess might sort of somehow help is probably a bad idea unless you are expert enough to know what will work the same in Lubuntu and what might need to be changed...
[06:43] <Tatsujln> theres no alc892realtek package in synaptics so thats why i'm forced to try to compile it on my own
[06:43] <Tatsujln> i usually prefer to do everything through synaptics.
[06:44] <jmarsden> Right, using existing official packages is much preferred.
[06:47] <Tatsujln> Anyways i'm gonna go this route then
 Tatsujln: Have you considered installing Ubuntu, then installing lubuntu-desktop, and removing the unwanted GNOME stuff?
[06:47] <Tatsujln> for least headache:)
[06:47] <jmarsden> Try it, it could work for you :)
[06:50] <Tatsujln> so once i have ubuntu up and running again i just go into synaptics and install lubuntu-desktop which will make ubuntu look exactly like lubuntu?
[06:51] <bioterror> it will install lubuntu packages
[06:51] <GTRsdk> Tatsujln, it installs Lubuntu, so you can choose Lubuntu on the login screen
[06:57] <john_rambo> I am at the moment downloading lubuntu ...........before going for the installation I want find if there are any bad sectors on the disk ...Is there a way to do that in Live Cd Mode?
[06:57] <GTRsdk> john_rambo, bad sectors on the cd or hard drive?
[06:57] <john_rambo> GTRsdk, HDD
[06:58] <bioterror> fsck /dev/sdX
[06:58] <GTRsdk> jmarsden, is it possible to check for bad sectors using a live cd?
[06:58] <GTRsdk> err nvm
[06:58] <bioterror> it will tell you if theres ones
[06:59] <john_rambo> bioterror, Okay ....& what if I find any ...Can fsck fix them too?
[06:59] <bioterror> yes, it will walk to the store and buy you a new hdd ;)
[07:00] <john_rambo> bioterror, oops ...
[07:00] <jmarsden> You should use the -c option to e2fsck to do a good check ... use it twice to do a non-destructive read/write test...
[07:00] <bioterror> you can technically mark them as bad sectors, but they wont disappear
[07:00] <jmarsden> e2fsck -c /dev/WHATEVER will add the bad blocks to the bad block list...
[07:01] <john_rambo> jmarsden, bioterror  Thanks
[07:01] <bioterror> but if you have them, get yourself a new hdd
[07:02] <jmarsden> Right, no modern hard drive should have any bad blocks.
[07:02] <bioterror> on 1TB drive I had them worth of 160GB
[07:02] <jmarsden> :)  Maybe if installing Lubuntu on a 40 year old PDP-11 diskpack, or something, a few bad blocks would be tolerated :)
[07:03] <john_rambo> bioterror, jmarsden This is an old PC I am trying to use mainly for downloading large files
[07:04] <john_rambo> bioterror, jmarsden Celeron 2.13 .....Ram : 386 MB ...40GB HDD
[07:04] <bioterror> come visit my home
[07:04] <jmarsden> john_rambo: Then you want a reliable hard disk (so you don't lose all the large files you download)... so if it has bad blocks... find a different hard drive :)
[07:04] <bioterror> i can give you couple of 128GB :D
[07:04] <bioterror> and few 80 and smaller
[07:06] <john_rambo> jmarsden, Yes ...that is why I am doing all these checks ......at least the bad sectors will be marked ..
[07:07] <jmarsden> john_rambo: The problem with that is, that if a drive is already failing, it will probably get worse and worse as you use it... so you mark the bad sectors that are there *today*... and next week, some more go bad!
[07:07] <john_rambo> jmarsden, bioterror  When this HDD goed bad completely I am going to install lubuntu on a USB Pen drive ........PC Peripherals is extremely costly here in India
[07:07] <john_rambo> are*
[07:08] <bioterror> remember to use non-journaling filesystem
[07:08] <john_rambo> jmarsden, bioterror But I am really disappointed ......Why isnt there a 64 bit version ?
[07:08] <GTRsdk> jmarsden, made a 64 bit one, I think.
[07:09] <jmarsden> Because when I tried to make one it failed... there is an unofficial 64bit ISO already made by Kendall.
[07:09] <jmarsden> But is your Celeron with 385MB really fully 64bit capable??
[07:10] <jmarsden> And what would the benefit of uysing a 64bit OS be, on that hardware??
[07:10] <john_rambo> jmarsden, No ..64 bit for my main PC
[07:10] <john_rambo> lubuntu.net doesnt mention any 64bit version
[07:11] <jmarsden> If it has more than 4GB RAM, so you need 64bit, you can use the unofficial ISO for that.  Otherwise, you can wait for me to find time to debug our ISO generator so 64bit ISOs that it makes actually work :)
[07:11] <jmarsden> john_rambo: No, probably not.
[07:11] <bioterror> i would say
[07:11] <bioterror> if you know the differences
[07:11] <bioterror> and you really do something that requires 64bit system, why not
[07:12] <bioterror> otherwise its all the same with pae-kernel
[07:12] <john_rambo> bioterror, I use avidemux to encode files ..... 64 Bit help speed up the process
[07:14] <jmarsden> If you must, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GetLubuntu for links to the unofficial community 64bit ISO.
[07:16] <john_rambo> jmarsden, Checking that link .....Dont get pissed off ...what does "unofficial" means here?
[07:16] <GTRsdk> john_rambo, it isn't an official iso
[07:16] <GTRsdk> it was made by someone other than the official builders
[07:17] <bioterror> its not made by jmarsden ;)
[07:17] <jmarsden> It means it was made by a member of the user community, not by anyone who is 'officially' an Lubuntu developer :)
[07:17] <bioterror> great contribution that is
[07:17] <bioterror> all I can say
[07:18] <GTRsdk> jmarsden, I should learn programming and then become a developer
[07:18] <mysteriousdarren> bioterror: hello@
[07:18] <mysteriousdarren> !
[07:18] <bioterror> hi darren
[07:18] <jmarsden> GTRsdk: If that is what you want to do, do it :)
[07:18] <bioterror> GTRsdk, great way to start is to join ubuntu beginners team
[07:18] <mysteriousdarren> do it! and good luck!
[07:20] <john_rambo> GTRsdk, Good Luck  I can hope for a official 64 bit release now
[07:21] <GTRsdk> bioterror, I plan to join the ubuntu beginners team soon :)
[07:21] <jmarsden> john_rambo: It is VERY likely there will be a 64bit release of Lubuntu 11.10 Oneiric in October...
[07:21] <john_rambo> jmarsden, An official one?
[07:21] <poltak> yes
[07:21] <poltak> It's been confirmed
[07:22] <john_rambo> poltak, Thats Awesome News !!!!
[07:22] <poltak> Thanks I could help, bro
[07:22] <jmarsden> john_rambo: Yes.  Lubuntu will use Canonical build infrastructure for 11.10 and with that we will be more able to "do it right" and generate multiple ISOs.
[07:22] <poltak> You should so totally make an ARM port
[07:23] <GTRsdk> jmarsden, what about a mac PPC iso?
[07:23] <jmarsden> You?  What is this "you"?  You want it, *you* start a port :)  We are a community; work together to get things done...
[07:23] <poltak> Ffs, why you always do this to me, jmarsden?
[07:23] <tenach> o/
[07:24] <jmarsden> GTRsdk: I don't think the official Canonical builders support PPC at the moment, but if someone came along with the desire and skills to do it...
[07:24] <bioterror> theres other ppc machines than capples!
[07:24] <GTRsdk> bioterror, really?
[07:24] <bioterror> yes
[07:24] <bioterror> amigaone and pegasosppc
[07:24] <bioterror> :D
[07:24] <GTRsdk> I should try to get enough skills so I can make an iso that works on an iBook G3
[07:25] <bioterror> you should trash G3 :D
[07:26] <GTRsdk> bioterror, yeah :(
[07:26] <poltak> PS3 is also PPC, isn't it?
[07:26] <bioterror> i threw my dual cpu G4s to recycling center
[07:26] <poltak> And it can (*could*) run linux
[07:26] <bioterror> poltak, cell is based on power if i remember right
[07:26] <poltak> Yeah, thought so.
[07:26] <Unit193> bioterror: Yep
[07:27] <bioterror> xbox360 is also ppc based
[07:27] <poltak> And the wii...
[07:27] <bioterror> i rmember they use G5 for sdk
[07:27] <poltak> Something about consoles and ppc
[07:27]  * mysteriousdarren is off to bed, early morning 
[07:29] <poltak> It's only 4:30pm
[07:29] <poltak> You freak
[07:29] <bioterror> 4h30mins sleep behind
[07:30] <bioterror> and im still lacking the first warm cup of stfu
[07:30] <poltak> reported
[07:31] <john_rambo> Mind wonders ...I wish there was adsl router with an inbuilt browser & torrent client .....a usb cable goes on to connect a USB DRIVE ...no need for PC ...Download Away
[07:31] <john_rambo> My dream device
[07:33] <GTRsdk> john_rambo, you just plug a USB flash drive in, and it puts Lubuntu/Ubuntu on it?
[07:34] <john_rambo> GTRsdk, No ....there is no OS in the above fictional device .....other than the OS of the router
[07:34] <john_rambo> GTRsdk, Router directly connected to storage
[07:39] <bioterror> john_rambo, with openwrt that should be possible
[07:39] <john_rambo> bioterror, Googling that ....
[07:40] <bioterror> but then again those adsl routers does have so slow/lame cpu that torrent client will eat too much resources
[07:43] <john_rambo> bioterror, Good ... taht something like openwrt but there is no way I can use my existing router for that kind of a setup ...I mean there is no scope to connect display
[07:43] <john_rambo> that*
[07:44] <john_rambo> exists*
[07:44] <john_rambo> bioterror, We need hardware as well
[07:46] <Tatsujln> whoever designed lubuntu-desktop for ubuntu is a goddamn genius:)
[07:46] <Tatsujln> now i got the look of lubuntu and sound:)
[07:46] <jmarsden> Good :)
[07:47] <john_rambo> Tatsujln, I did that too ...but the real Lubuntu is much lighter
[07:47] <john_rambo> Tatsujln, If that is of any concern to you
[07:48] <jmarsden> john_rambo: The issue for Tatsujln was that sound failed to work if he installs from the Lubuntu ISO, but works from the Ubuntu ISOs... so... I suggested the mix-and-match approach so get gets sound, and the desktop he likes :)
[07:48] <Tatsujln> not really but i will still try every new lubuntu release to see if they ever fix the sound issue but until then this will do fine.
[07:49] <Tatsujln> i got 8gig of ram but for me the strong point of lubuntu is the whole interface
[07:49] <Tatsujln> ubuntu gnome just doesn't feel as nice
[07:49] <john_rambo> jmarsden, Oh .... Real good news then
[07:50] <GTRsdk> I like the Lubuntu interface also.. and Lubuntu works better with wine, I think
[07:51] <Tatsujln> lubuntu just keeps it simple , thats how i like it:)
[07:51] <Tatsujln> *reboot*
[07:51] <john_rambo> jmarsden, But how is this possible ? Isnt Lubuntu  & Ubuntu the same ...leaving the desktop environment ?
[07:52] <jmarsden> john_rambo: I don't know the details, I don't have time to troubleshoot that for Tatsujln, so I came up with an appropriate workaround for him instead.
[07:52] <jmarsden> The exact set of packages in the Lubuntu ISO is of course not the same as the set on the Ubuntu CD... but why that affects his sound, I do not know.
[07:53] <jmarsden> Actually, I don't really have the time to be here at the keyboard, I should go to bed... goodnight all :)
[07:53] <john_rambo> jmarsden, Yes .. thats really strange ....
[07:53] <john_rambo> jmarsden, Good Night
[07:53] <GTRsdk> jmarsden, good night
[07:53] <Tatsujln> Thanks for the help jmars , good night:)
[08:39] <john_rambo> bioterror, "remember to use non-journaling filesystem" ....Please suggest one ...download is almost complete
[08:41] <bioterror> ext2 for example
[08:42] <john_rambo> bioterror, Okies
[08:42] <bioterror> I mean for the usb
[08:42] <bioterror> if you make pendrive, use non-journaling in it ;)
[08:42] <bioterror> with HDD use journaling filesystem ;)
[08:42] <john_rambo> bioterror, No ...thsi is a 40 Gb PATA HDD
[08:44] <bioterror> yes, use ext4 with it
[09:44] <michiduta> hello
[09:44] <michiduta> This is more of a general issue but thought I asked it here since I'm currently using Lubuntu
[09:45] <michiduta> My L-Max 5K Serioux USB mouse does not work well with any ubuntu variant installed but works well in any ubuntu variant live
[09:46] <michiduta> Anyone know why?
[09:47] <michiduta> What it does is it focuses on whatever control/window/panel I click first and cannot click on anything else without first doing a right-click on the currently focused window.panel.etc
[09:49] <poltak> "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/"
[09:49] <michiduta> Do I have to copy paste that into a terminal?
[09:51] <michiduta> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ : No such file or directory
[09:52] <michiduta> Also there is no xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ directory
[10:48] <Kurdistan> hey guys/girls how is the new lubuntu going?
[12:25] <poltak> Any of you fellas use Windows?
[12:27] <bioterror> all the time at work
[12:27] <bioterror> I make my living with it
[12:27] <poltak> I got a funny joke for you then
[12:27] <poltak> Guess why it is called "Windows"?
[12:27] <bioterror> go ahead
[12:27] <poltak> (say why)
[12:27] <bioterror> why
[12:27] <bioterror> ?
[12:28] <poltak> Because you look out the window and there you see... Linux!!!
[12:29] <poltak> You can also change the "Linux" to any other OS you use. (it's interchangeable)
[12:29] <bioterror> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yl3UMO-TkE
[12:29] <poltak> As in: Because you look out the window and there you see... Mac OS X!!!
[12:30] <poltak> Made it myself :)
[12:30] <bioterror> I would hang myself if I look out from the window and I see FINDER
[12:31] <bioterror> poltak, http://ricecows.org/beachball.gif
[12:31] <poltak> Finder's an app, not an OS. It doesn't really work for my joke, bioterror.
[12:31] <poltak> But can I ask, why do you hate Finder so?
[12:31] <bioterror> becouse it sucks
[12:32] <poltak> That's like saying you hate Jews because they're black.
[12:32] <poltak> C'mon now
[12:32] <bioterror> whole file system is polluted with .DS_Store and _Directory
[12:32] <bioterror> and if you have to deal with network drives, you will see: BEACHBALL.GIF!
[12:32] <bioterror> and then again have you seen OS X's BSoD?
[12:32] <poltak> Ah, I have the beachball as my linux pointer.
[12:32] <poltak> Doesn't OS X kernel panic the same as Linux?
[12:32] <bioterror> http://www.wirelust.com/img/blog/20071031/osx_kernel_panic.jpg does that tell you much
[12:33] <poltak> Oh yes, I've seen this.
[12:33] <bioterror> I've seen alot with 10.3 and 10.4
[12:33] <bioterror> which I used to use
[12:34] <jgould> I've seen that too...  I had it happen in 10.5, but I don't think I've ever seen it in 10.6
[12:35] <jgould> the kernel will just eat 3/4ths of a GB of ram in 10.6...
[12:36] <poltak> Would you advise against buying a Macintosh?
[12:36] <bioterror> OS X caches _eeeeverything_ ;)
[12:36] <bioterror> I have a guy sitting next to me in here and he has iPad 2
[12:36] <bioterror> and I'm lulzing at him
[12:36] <bioterror> quietly inside me
[12:38] <bioterror> I work in a media corporation
[12:38] <poltak> Ergh... I dislike iOS a lot...
[12:38] <jgould> I've seen that too...  I had it happen in 10.5, but I don't think I've ever seen it happen in 1.6
[12:39] <jgould> poltak: if you are going to put Ubuntu (or a derivitve) on it, yes
[12:39] <poltak> jgould: I'm talking about OS X
[12:39] <bioterror> this corporation has different kind of divisions from tv/radio channels to book publications, game developing
[12:39] <bioterror> and I see Mac's and I see a reason to use them
[12:40] <jgould> My MacBook Pro 8,1 (Brand new as of Febuarary) to forever for me to get to work right under Ubuntu
[12:40] <jgould> if you are going to run the Mac OS, sure
[12:40] <poltak> I've been planning to build a hackintosh (not really for any purpose, other than I have a bit of spare cash around)
[12:40] <bioterror> jgould, yeah, if you buy mac, stick with OS X
[12:40] <bioterror> poltak, you're breaking EULA
[12:40] <jgould> Hackintoshes are a PITA to confugre
[12:40] <poltak> I meant macintosh
[12:40] <bioterror> you just said you're going to make a criminal act
[12:41] <poltak> Will I get fined for this?
[12:41] <jgould> My next machine is probably going to be a Lemur series from System76
[12:41] <jgould> You could, poltak
[12:41] <bioterror> poltak, this channel also gets logged
[12:42] <poltak> ... oh shit. My gran's gonna kill me if I get in more trouble
[12:42] <jgould> more?
[12:42] <poltak> That's none of your business, mister
[12:43] <bioterror> are mac's now using broadcom as wireless chipset?
[12:43] <jgould> Why asume I'm a mister?
[12:43] <bioterror> before they had Atheros
[12:43] <jgould> Yes
[12:43] <poltak> Because women aren't on the internet, other than facebook
[12:43] <jgould> This thing has a BCM4331 chipset
[12:43]  * jgould disagrees with that statemnt
[12:43] <bioterror> jgould, not good :G
[12:43] <jgould> I'm using a USB 802.11N adaptor in the mean time
[12:44] <jgould> that's the only thing I don't have working in some capacity..
[12:44] <poltak> I'm gonna skip town
[12:44] <jgould> My trackpad is still hyper sensitive... meaning I can only use gnome...
[12:44] <bioterror> jgould, and then there's this drive blessing and other kind of stuff
[12:45] <jgould> I use rEFIt on this machine to handle that.  This one dual boots MacOS and Ubuntu 11.04.  My Mac Mini acts as a headless server with only 10.04LTS on it
[12:46] <bioterror> I love how Apple did that "we dont make xserves any more, buy macminis" :D
[12:46] <jgould> No where near the same...  I need to get more hard drive space to add to the server...  Don't have the money right now though
[12:47] <jgould> Mac Mini's and the Mac Pro are the two 'server' machines
[12:47] <jgould> I'd go with the Pro if I were buying one to run OS X server on.  Dunno why I would though,  the P4 in teh kitchen does everthing that a Pro would for a lot less money
[12:48] <bioterror> http://s3.amazonaws.com/satisfaction-production/s3_images/405670/rackmacmini.jpg ^__^
[12:48] <bioterror> soooo professional
[12:48] <jgould> (at least in our home network (and it could probably handle a small workgroup as well without giving too much fuss...))
[12:50] <jgould> actually, I don't think that looks all that bad... My issue with running the Mini as a server in any capacity is that they are limited in upgradablilty...
[12:50] <bioterror> or as in business use they should have redundant power intake
[12:51] <bioterror> it's a shame that they dropped their XServe line
[12:51] <jgould> From what I heard they didn't make any money on them
[12:54] <jgould> Also, something intersting about the Mac OS, I added my NFS exports from my server and while I have write access to what I should have write access to in Ubunut, I don't have write access from within the Mac OS
[14:01] <bioterror> jgould, sounds sad, but still there's business users, but ofcourse you can rip more money with iGadgets and other consumer stuff
 Why asume I'm a mister?      Answer: Because your Real Name field is set to Joshua Gould, and not many girls are named Joshua.
[14:50] <jgould> jmarsden: that doesn't necessarly mean anything...
[14:51] <jmarsden> jgould: since it matches your bick, it is a fairly good indicator...
[14:51] <jmarsden> *nick...
[14:52] <jgould> True.
[14:52] <jgould> I'm just trying to prove a point,  you shouldn't assume
[14:52] <SpaceBack> Hi !
[14:53] <bioterror> hi
[14:53] <jmarsden> I'm just answering your question :)
[14:53] <jgould> Heh
[14:53] <jgould> I know
[14:53] <jgould> I'm also in a goofy mood and half asleep
[14:53] <bioterror> jmarsden, what if she's a U2 fan and likes name Joshua!
[14:53] <bioterror> and thinks Bono is Gold
[14:54] <SpaceBack>  i nees some help setting up my printer on lubuntu 11.04.It's the samsung 2010.I tryed using the ppd file from openprinting that worked on ubuntu,but i just can get it right.Do someone know how to do this?
[14:54] <jmarsden> bioterror: I didn't say it was a perfect or 100% reliable indicator ...
[14:55] <bioterror> jmarsden, I offerend another point of view ;)
[14:55] <bioterror> -n
[14:55] <bioterror> should not be any different from ubuntu
[14:55] <bioterror> same gnome-printing-software there is
[14:56] <SpaceBack> yeah but it's still not working
[14:56] <SpaceBack> i even update cups,but still no result
[14:56] <SpaceBack> *d
[14:59] <SpaceBack> anyone ?
[14:59] <bioterror> I'm about to leave work
[14:59] <bioterror> otherwise I would like to help and assist
[14:59] <SpaceBack> ok no problem
[15:00] <SpaceBack> it's a storm coming up,so i will leave for sometime :D
[15:00] <jmarsden> I'm doing tech support for work as I type... not really available, sorry...
[15:00] <bioterror> maybe later ;)
[15:01] <SpaceBack> ok :_
[15:01] <SpaceBack> :)
[15:03] <jgould> Gah... Stupid trackpad
[15:45] <john_rambo> PC boots from the Lubuntu CD ..... but when I select an item & press Enter Keyboard Hangs .....It stays like that
[15:51] <jgratero> what is the system monitor for Lubuntu?
[15:52] <Onions> lxtask
[15:52] <Onions> it is custom made, by the guy who made lxde
[15:53] <jgratero> thanks
[15:53] <Onions> you are welcome
[15:53] <jgratero> via terminal, right?
[15:54] <Onions> there is a frontend
[15:54] <Onions> it appears in the menu as system monitor
[15:54] <jgratero> I've found it
[15:54] <jgratero> thanks again
[15:54] <Onions> (mine is in spanish, it says "administrador de tareas", it should be task manager, i guess)
[15:55] <Onions> ah, ok
[16:00] <SpaceBack> Hi !
[16:02] <SpaceBack> i have problems setting up my printer(samsung ml 2010),i tryed it with the ppd file from openprinting that worked in ubuntu,kubuntu and mepis.But it just wont work.
[16:03] <SpaceBack> it's lubuntu 11/04
[16:07] <SpaceBack> someone ?
[16:13] <jgratero> Question: when you want to use root or administrator rights, would it be the same as in ubuntu, gksu nautilus (in lubuntu, gksu pcmanfm)?
[16:13] <hilkhf> How can I make Lubuntu on a Persistence USB flashdrive?
[16:14] <SpaceBack> Hi,again
[16:14] <tenach> Hello!
[16:15] <jgratero> this is for ubuntu, but I guess is useful as well https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[16:15] <SpaceBack> can someone help me with my printer problem ?
[16:17] <jgratero> when you plug the printer, is not recognized by the system?
[16:17] <SpaceBack> no i even tryed it with the ppd file from openprinting
[16:18] <SpaceBack> but its still not working
[16:18] <jgratero> you mean ppa?
[16:18] <SpaceBack> yeah,thats the file :D
[16:19] <SpaceBack> http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Samsung/Samsung-ML-2010
[16:20] <SpaceBack> no its still ppd
[16:20] <hilkhf> Can anyone watch videos (like Youtube) using Lubuntu?
[16:21] <SpaceBack> yes,just install flash plugin with synaptic
[16:21] <hilkhf> Thanks
[16:25] <jgratero> spaceback, check this out
[16:25] <jgratero> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65111
[16:27] <SpaceBack> jgratero thx,but i cant find the 4500 printer on the list
[16:28] <jgratero> let me check
[16:32] <SpaceBack> i;m trying the splix driver now
[16:37] <jgratero> Can't find anything... Anyway, that post points to a solution without the driver
[16:39] <SpaceBack> jgratero i did it !! :D i just used the splix driver from openprinting and just added my printer using cups :DDD
[16:40] <jgratero> congrats!
[16:40] <SpaceBack> thx :D just one more question
[16:41] <SpaceBack> how to install skype because i couldnt do it with the deb package from skype.com
[16:41] <SpaceBack> and how to see if my video card is on
[16:42] <jgratero> what skype deb did you use?
[16:44] <SpaceBack> ubuntu 10.04+
[16:44] <tenach> SpaceBack: It should work; I just installed it (again) yesterday from their website.  Make sure you're grabbing the correct one (32bit vs. 64bit) for your machine.
[16:45] <SpaceBack> i will try it again in a few seconds,because i;m install libreoffice know i i will let you know
[16:47] <SpaceBack> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z_usl6i9IY&feature=share :D
[16:53] <SpaceBack> chrome says(again) that the package that i'm downloading can harm my comp.
[16:53] <SpaceBack> its the skype ubuntu 10.04+ 32 deb package
[16:58] <tenach> SpaceBack: That is a pretty normal thing for Chromium to caution about.
[16:58] <tenach> SpaceBack: It should give you an option to continue with the download - it is a safe application.
[17:03] <SpaceBack> tenach i had a feeling that chromium wasn't really downloading the file,because it just stoped the download after just a few seconds but showed me that it downloaded correctly.I installed firefox and downloaded the file and installed it.Everthing went just fine
[17:03] <Onionhead> Hi, could someone recomend me a screenshot program for lubuntu?
[17:03] <bioterror> Onionhead, press print screen
[17:03] <Onionhead> I need to take screenshots of a single program, not the whole desktop
[17:03] <bioterror> it will pop up into your ~/
[17:03] <bioterror> scrot should be installed
[17:03] <bioterror> man scrot
[17:05] <tenach> SpaceBack: That is quite odd.
[17:05] <Onionhead> if I press print screen, i get the screenshot of the whole area, i only need to get a screen shot of a single program
[17:06] <Onionhead> hi bioterror , yesterday the install went fine, it was the ram after all. One of the modules was loose
[17:06] <bioterror> I read
[17:06] <SpaceBack> tenach after i installed skype i had to change skype.desktop file in usr/share/applications so that it starts with this command LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype
[17:07] <SpaceBack> but now i cant start skype from the menu,but when i enter the command in terminal it starts normaly
[17:07] <ubuntu_> I can't connect using wireless with Lubuntu
[17:08] <ubuntu_> Any idea how to fix it?
[17:08] <SpaceBack> tenach this is the file i edited [Desktop Entry] Name=Skype Comment=Skype Internet Telephony Exec=LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype Icon=skype.png Terminal=0 Type=Application Encoding=UTF-8 Categories=Network;Application;
[17:08] <ubuntu_> I'm running Lubuntu on  a Live Persistent USB
[17:08] <ubuntu_> flash drive
[17:10] <bioterror> ubuntu_, can you see your wlan0 wit ifconfig -command?
[17:11] <ubuntu_> How do I execute the command?
[17:11] <ubuntu_> I know I use Terminal
[17:11] <ubuntu_> But I don't know the syntax
[17:11] <SpaceBack> open the terminal and just copy/paste
[17:12] <Onionhead> i will use the xfce screenshot tool
[17:12] <ubuntu_> This is what I entered-    wlan0 wit ifconfig -command
[17:12] <Onionhead> thanks
[17:12] <ubuntu_> nothing happens.
[17:13] <SpaceBack> ifconfig wlan0
[17:14] <ubuntu_> Results- wlan0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
[17:15] <bioterror> okay
[17:15] <bioterror> what kind of wlan you have?
[17:15] <bioterror> usb? inside your computer?
[17:16] <ubuntu_> No idea
[17:16] <ubuntu_> I'm running Lubuntu on a persistent USB flashdrive
[17:16] <SpaceBack> ubuntu_ first suso apt-get install hwinfo
[17:16] <ubuntu_> Sudo
[17:16] <SpaceBack> then in terminal just thip hwinfo
[17:17] <SpaceBack> and find your wlan
[17:18] <ubuntu_> No command "thip"
[17:18] <SpaceBack> thip means write
[17:18] <SpaceBack> just write hwinfo
[17:18] <ubuntu_> You mean just put hwinfo into Terminal?
[17:18] <bioterror> type means write ;)
[17:19] <bioterror> ubuntu_, da
[17:19] <ubuntu_> Ok....got the results
[17:19] <ubuntu_> No what?
[17:20] <ubuntu_> Whoops.....Now what?
[17:20] <SpaceBack> now find your wlan card and copy the result
[17:26] <ubuntu_> I think this is it...
[17:26] <ubuntu_> 29: PCI 500.0: 0280 Network controller
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   [Created at pci.318]
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Unique ID: Ddhb.i2DS1IpFAv8
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Parent ID: CvwD.4SqtE6Cw8IA
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:05.0/0000:05:00.0
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   SysFS BusID: 0000:05:00.0
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Hardware Class: network
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Model: "Broadcom BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN"
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Vendor: pci 0x14e4 "Broadcom"
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Device: pci 0x4311 "BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN"
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   SubVendor: pci 0x14e4 "Broadcom"
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   SubDevice: pci 0x0465
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Revision: 0x01
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Memory Range: 0xc0300000-0xc0303fff (rw,non-prefetchable)
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   IRQ: 17 (2593 events)
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Module Alias: "pci:v000014E4d00004311sv000014E4sd00000465bc02sc80i00"
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Driver Info #0:
[17:26] <ubuntu_>     Driver Status: ssb is not active
[17:26] <ubuntu_>     Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe ssb"
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Driver Info #1:
[17:26] <ubuntu_>     Driver Status: wl is active
[17:26] <ubuntu_>     Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe wl"
[17:26] <jgratero> ubuntu
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown
[17:26] <jgratero> use pastebin
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Attached to: #14 (PCI bridge)
[17:26] <SpaceBack> yeah now ask bioterror for more details :D
[17:27] <ubuntu_> http://pastebin.com/5TNHd3W3
[17:32] <ubuntu_> What now?
[17:36] <SpaceBack> jgratero what is the meaning of this http://pastebin.com/UpGxaxs0
[17:36] <jgratero> let me check
[17:37] <SpaceBack> i cant start skype after i edited the launcher in usr/share/applications
[17:37] <jgratero> is this what happens when you try to run skype?
[17:38] <SpaceBack> yes from terminal with this command
[17:38] <SpaceBack> LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype
[17:38] <jgratero> did you backup the previous launcher?
[17:39] <SpaceBack> no because i just edited one line
[17:40] <SpaceBack> jgratero here is the file http://pastebin.com/T9TgiFzC
[17:41] <jgratero> what number is the edited line?
[17:42] <SpaceBack> what do you mean with nubmer
[17:42] <SpaceBack> *number
[17:42] <SpaceBack> i used nano to edit the file
[17:42] <jgratero> what part of this text is the one you edited
[17:43] <SpaceBack> the one that starts with Exec
[17:45] <SpaceBack> that should be the line that starts the application
[17:52] <jgratero> give me a moment
[17:53] <jgratero> office duty :-P
[17:54] <SpaceBack> jgratero no problem i found a solution,look at this image http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wX5Byim-XEk/TbQNvn6es5I/AAAAAAAABDo/Epp65-cJ_TM/s400/skype.png
[17:54] <SpaceBack> i just rewrote it and it works now :D
[17:55] <jgratero> sweet
[17:56] <SpaceBack> the important thing is to add the last line :D StartupNotify=true :D
[17:56] <jgratero> :-)
[17:57] <SpaceBack> jgratero thank you for the help,i will visit this chat more often now :D
[17:57] <SpaceBack> see ya
[17:59] <jgratero> see ya dude
[18:19] <bioterror> kids kids kids
[18:20] <bioterror> next time: !paste | nick
[18:22] <SpaceBack> Hi,i just came again to give this tip
[18:22]  * bioterror is all ears
[18:22] <bioterror> and eyes!
[18:23] <SpaceBack> after i installed my video card i destroyed my plymouth
[18:23] <bioterror> suprise
[18:23] <bioterror> plymouth makes me sad
[18:23] <SpaceBack> so i found this tutorial http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/lucidubuntu-10-04-high-resolution-plymouth-virtual-terminal-for-atinvidia-cards-with-proprietaryrestricted-driver/
[18:23] <SpaceBack> and it works great now
[18:24] <SpaceBack> i used the 1366x768 resolutin like in the tutorial
[18:24] <SpaceBack> *o
[18:24] <bioterror> television resolution
[18:26] <SpaceBack> yeah i anted to try 1920x1080 but it works great now so i dont want to change it
[18:26] <SpaceBack> *w
[18:30] <SpaceBack> i changed now to 1920x1440 and it still works great
[19:02] <soapee01> howdy, runing natty lubuntu. Trying to get gnome nanny to run, but it won't start (nanny-admin-console).  getting GdkPixbuf-CRITICAL errors in .xsession-errors, and lot's of ENOENT (No such file or directory) in strace. I think a gnome package might not be listed as a dependency, but not being a gnome guy, not sure which one.  Any advice on where to look further?
[19:16] <SpaceBack> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10qLYy6hiFQ&feature=related
[20:32] <tenach> o/
[20:34] <Unit193> Howdy tenach
[20:36] <tenach> hallo Unit193
[20:49] <SpaceBack> lubuntu is great !!!! :D
[21:33] <MrChrisDruif> How can I easily start a terminal command? gtk-redshift -l 52:4.5 is the command
[21:33] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, gtk-redshift is installed
[21:37] <MrChrisDruif> Anyone? ;) Don't worry, I don't bite
[22:39] <Thraspic> I have a mystery to solve.  I'm trying to figure out how to reload the lxpanel config file, just so changes to the config file ('panel') will be updated, similar to "REload COnfig Files" in Openbox.  Stopping and starting lxde with the kill command is not what I'm looking for.  Any suggestions?
[22:48] <Thraspic> I will pay $75 US dollars for an answer.  I won't pay it but that doesn't mean you can't issue me and bill and then sue when I don't pay.
[22:48] <Thraspic> *the bill.  I hate mistyping 'jokes'
[22:53] <KM0201> especially one that isn't even funny
[22:58]  * Thraspic refers you to quotes around 'joke'
[22:58]  * Thraspic explodes
[23:41] <silverarrow> hi