[01:04] <cjohnston> lol
[02:18] <Technoviking> Retweet please: http://twitter.com/#!/Technoviking/status/72833407452852224
[07:16] <jono> kim0, hey
[07:16] <jono> moved our call to 8.30am Pacific tomorrow morning (later today for you)
[07:16] <jono> will call you then
[07:17] <jono> meanwhile, bed for me
[07:17] <jono> night all!
[08:00] <dholbach> good morning
[08:04] <nigelb> Good Morning dholbach!
[08:04] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[08:04] <nigelb> dholbach: I'm thinking of setting up a packaging challenge next week. I'm yet to poke stefanor though.
[08:05] <nigelb> Hey ara :)
[08:06]  * popey hugs dholbach 
[08:06]  * dholbach hugs popey back
[08:10] <ara> morning nigelb
[08:41] <dpm> morning all
[08:41] <nigelb> good morning dpm
[08:44] <dpm> hey nigelb
[09:08] <huats> morning everyone
[09:22] <dholbach> kim0, do you know why your specs don't turn up on http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/oneiric/canonical-community.html?
[09:33] <czajkowski> Aloha
[10:06] <kim0> dholbach: not really .. I asked pitti, said he'd look into it
[10:08] <dholbach> kim0, ok
[10:32] <dpm> dholbach, do you think you could put the update-packaging-guide on a +junk branch in LP? I'll try to get it to run on the d.u.c server, and having it in a branch is easier for me to 'bzr pull' the first revision and any subsequent changes
[10:32] <dpm> the update-packaging-guide *script, I meant
[10:32] <dpm> and good morning as well :)
[11:45] <dholbach> dpm, sure, sorry just noticed your ping - I'll simplify it a little bit more too
[11:46] <dpm> no worries, thanks dholbach!
[11:47] <dholbach> dpm, can you check if "chdist" is installed on the machine?
[11:47] <dholbach> (devscripts package)
[11:52] <dpm> dholbach, devscripts is not installed
[11:52] <dholbach> ok
[12:15] <daker> YOU SHOULD LISTEN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjYNko__m-0 ツ
[12:31] <dholbach> dpm, ~dholbach/+junk/update-packaging-guide
[12:31] <dpm> dholbach, ok, cool, I'll have a look after lunch, thanks!
[12:31] <dholbach> dpm, if you run it with    OUTPUT_DIR=/srv/bla/something ./update-packaging-guide   you can pass it a new output_dir
[12:32] <dholbach> (so hopefully no need to change the code)
[12:50] <cjohnston> mornin
[14:19] <cjohnston> do be do be do
[14:43] <jcastro> hey cjohnston
[14:44] <cjohnston> hey dude.. When are you coming down
[14:44] <jcastro> tomorrow
[14:44] <jcastro> but we're booked looking for places the entire time
[14:44] <cjohnston> cool
[14:49] <nigelb> oh nice
[14:49] <nigelb> jcastro: all the packing's done?
[14:55] <jcastro> nigelb: only going for a few days to find a permanent place and vacation
[14:55] <nigelb> jcastro: Ahh. Nice :)
[15:08] <JFo> jcastro, enjoy the vacation :)
[15:09] <jcastro> not till tomorrow
[15:09] <jcastro> stuck here today, heh
[15:46] <Technoviking> morning all
[15:49] <cjohnston> mornin
[15:51] <Technoviking> dholbach: would this be considered bitesize bugs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerUsers/Quicklists
[15:53] <dholbach> Technoviking, I was trying to get people to say "here's Ubuntu bug 123456, to me it looks like it's easy to fix and if you need help, I'm available"
[15:53] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 123456 in xine-lib "podcast crashes amarok" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123456
[15:53] <dholbach> ubot2, that was just an example
[15:53] <ubot2> dholbach: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:53] <dholbach> right
[15:53] <Technoviking> ok
[15:53] <dholbach> I think I'd like to leave it to some developer to say "I looked at it and it looks like a simple issue to me"
[15:54] <dholbach> are those bugs all upstream bugs?
[15:54] <maco> dholbach: if you just installed a clean ubuntu system and wanted to start packaging, what tools would you need? so far i've got build-essential, ubuntu-dev-tools (which will pull in pbuilder), quilt, debhelper, cmake, autoconf, and cdbs
[15:54] <maco> (i'm making a metapackage)
[15:54] <dholbach> looks like somebody already put some effort into making sure it's not Ubuntu bugs
[15:54] <maco> (because i just did a clean install and found it painful and remembered all the times ive had to say "oh wait, install this thing too" when teaching someone)
[15:55] <dholbach> maco, yours looks like a good list
[15:55] <dholbach> http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/packaging-guide/html/getting-set-up.html#install-basic-packaging-software
[15:57] <maco> u-d-t pulls in bzr too
[15:58] <maco> oh, bzr-builddeb good idea
[15:59] <jono> kim0, are you good to chat in 30m?
[15:59] <kim0> jono: Yeah sure
[15:59] <jono> thanks kim0
[16:00] <jono> kim0, in the meantime, can mark some of your actions/blueprints for Alpha 1 and Alpha 2 - dholbach can help with this
[16:00] <jono> if you could do this before the call, this would really help
[16:00] <kim0> mm ok
[16:00] <jono> dholbach, could you have show kim0 how to do this?
[16:00] <dholbach> sure
[16:00] <jono> dpm, you around?
[16:00] <jono> thanks dholbach!
[16:00] <dpm> jono, yep
[16:00] <dholbach> kim0, have a look at the white board of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-developer-initiatives
[16:01] <jono> dpm, ok, will call in one sec
[16:01]  * kim0 looking
[16:01] <dpm> sure
[16:01] <jcastro> how many betas this cycle?
[16:01] <jcastro> 1 or 2?
[16:01] <kim0> dholbach: ok got it .. so just, Work items for oneiric-alpha-2:
[16:01] <dholbach> basically it's just "Work items for <milestone>" (list from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric)
[16:01] <kim0> cool!
[16:01] <kim0> more magic text
[16:01] <dholbach> and leave all the rest for "Work items:"
[16:01] <jcastro> ah I need to do this to mine too
[16:02] <kim0> dholbach: the ones without an alpha marker are ongoing or after alpha2, right ?
[16:02] <dholbach> be careful - alpha-1 is next week :)
[16:02] <kim0> oh woot!
[16:02] <kim0> really
[16:02] <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric
[16:02] <kim0> Natty feels like yesterday
[16:03] <dpm> kim0, this might help as well: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto#Defining%20work%20items
[16:03] <dholbach> kim0, whatever is listed under "Work items" will be "until release"
[16:03]  * kim0 hugs dholbach and dpm :)
[16:03]  * dpm hugs back
[16:03]  * dholbach hugs you all back
[16:33] <jono> kim0, will call in one sec
[16:33] <kim0> k
[17:17] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - have a great rest of yours!
[17:17]  * dholbach hugs you all
[17:18] <nigelb> night dholbach :)
[17:22] <dholbach> bye nigelb
[17:52] <maco> next Ubuntu Dev Week, we should have a session on getting familiar with gdb
[17:52] <maco> i'm not volunteering to run it, because i'd be one of the people listening & learning, but i'm sure there are people around here who could
[18:03] <jono> popey, aorund?>
[18:03] <jono> popey, around?
[18:11] <maco> on sunday, Pendulum and i went out to dinner, and she had her Ubuntu User shirt on, and a guy came up, put his fist on his chest, bowed, and said "much love for the distro"
[18:11] <Pici> heh
[18:11] <Pici> neat though :)
[18:15] <Pendulum> we clapped for him
[18:15] <Pendulum> because I was unsure what else to do
[18:16] <evaluate> jcastro, ping?
[18:19] <paultag> evaluate: I'm sure he'll get back to your email :)
[18:20] <evaluate> I'm in no rush, was just curios if he got it (it happened to me before that people weren't getting my e-mails).
[18:21] <jcastro> evaluate: hi
[18:22] <evaluate> jcastro, hello. I've sent you an e-mail a couple of days ago about joining ubuntu bug control.
[18:22] <jcastro> oh?
[18:22]  * jcastro looks
[18:22] <jcastro> what's your email?
[18:22] <evaluate> jcastro, oss@rspwn.com
[18:22]  * evaluate should've sent it through PM
[18:23] <jcastro> ah cool, sorry it got sorted into the wrong folder
[18:23] <jcastro> what's your lp id?
[18:23] <evaluate> jcastro, shantzu
[18:23] <jcastro> ok all set
[18:23] <jcastro> sorry about that!
[18:23] <evaluate> Thank you very much!
[18:25] <paultag> evaluate: hehehe, that one bug on that package clippit is from one of the fluxbox developers
[18:25] <paultag> Oh wait, that's not him
[18:25] <paultag> same name, though
[18:26] <evaluate> He's russian. I very much appreciate his bug reports, since they're pretty accurate usually, but I find it hard to understand his english at times...
[18:26] <paultag> evaluate: yeah, wrong guy
[18:26] <paultag> uses fluxbox, too, which is cool
[18:28] <evaluate> Personally I didn't go much beyond gnome and kde. I've tried them pretty much all, but I always come back to gnome.
[18:28] <evaluate> Could be a bit faster on boot, but overall it's pretty good.
[18:29] <paultag> evaluate: fluxbox is a WM
[18:29] <paultag> evaluate: has nothing to do with GNOME or KDE :)
[18:30] <paultag> you can run Fluxbox + GNOME (I do)
[18:30] <evaluate> ohh, thought it was a complete DE
[18:30] <paultag> evaluate: no, it's in the package description :)
[18:30] <paultag> Description: Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager
[18:30] <paultag> :)
[18:31] <paultag> people run it as a bare-bones DE because it's easy to do that with, but it's just a WM.
[18:32] <evaluate> I see. It looks decent in the screenshots.
[18:34] <doctormo> AlanBell: Hey there
[18:34] <AlanBell> o/
[18:35] <evaluate> I would really love to see a decent designer do some open-source work. Most of the graphic packs for open-source programs look awful.
[18:38] <paultag> evaluate: what about Tango?
[18:38] <paultag> I love the way Tango looks
[18:39] <evaluate> paultag, you mean http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Library ?
[18:39] <paultag> evaluate: yeah
[18:39] <evaluate> Not really my taste.
[18:40] <paultag> shame
[18:40] <paultag> I don't think I've seen better icons around
[18:40] <paultag> nonfree or otherwise
[18:40] <evaluate> Some of them look good, but some look really outdated, like the volume or network icons.
[18:41] <doctormo> AlanBell: Can you send my mum two CDs for either 11.04 or 10.10?
[18:41] <paultag> evaluate: mm
[18:41] <evaluate> Tastes differ, but I like shiny stuff, the Linux icons generally remind me of windows '95.
[18:41] <paultag> evaluate: I love matte, have you seen the KDE icons?
[18:41] <paultag> Those are shiny (and I usually switch them to Tango)
[18:41] <AlanBell> doctormo: yes, 11.04 when they arrive
[18:41] <doctormo> I quite like the Ubuntu icon theme.
[18:42] <paultag> doctormo: howareya?
[18:42] <paultag> doctormo: I'm back in town (for good) on Thurs
[18:42] <doctormo> AlanBell: I'll ping you her address, someone came round and she showed it off to them and is now asking for CDs lol.
[18:42] <doctormo> paultag: Awesome, did you catch my LoCo email?
[18:42] <Technoviking> I really like the faenza icon set, the square icons looks great in UNity
[18:42] <AlanBell> excellent!
[18:42] <paultag> doctormo: life's been crazy and I've filtered down about 90% of the mail that was not sent to me (and me alone) for a few weeks
[18:43] <paultag> doctormo: what was the subject?
[18:43] <paultag> doctormo: Ohh!! The one to -contacts?
[18:43] <paultag> Yeah, I saw that one
[18:43] <paultag> I'm stoked it's getting re-engaged
[18:43] <evaluate> paultag, yeah, kde generally has pretty good icons.
[18:44] <doctormo> paultag: YYYYYYYYYYeah, could you respond that'll be coming back to town to save us?
[18:45] <doctormo> paultag: Also, I did a design for a mail client where mail with your address in the to line was kept seperate from mailing list and cc/bcc mail. No one likes it :-)
[18:45] <paultag> doctormo: I'll write a little something. I was trying to be a bit hands off while I was getting up-to-speed with the local dos-and-donts
[18:45] <evaluate> OS X is a pretty good example of how much eye-candy can do. As an OS it would be a no-no for me, but you can't say it looks bad.
[18:46] <paultag> doctormo: I love that, I like to have different levels of how much I should care
[18:46] <doctormo> paultag: Don't support the Yankees, don't wear orange on St. Pantricks Day and do drop 'r' from your alphabet.
[18:46] <paultag> doctormo: done, done and done
[18:47] <doctormo> evaluate: It looks like a toy, that's what some people say to me. They have 50s taste though.
[18:47] <AlanBell> Lotus Notes has an indicator like that, tells you how direct the email was addresed to you
[18:48] <evaluate> doctormo, doesn't look much like a toy to me: http://www.command-tab.com/images/photoshop/tiger_icons/preview.jpg
[18:48] <paultag> AlanBell: I love it. I hate having to sort through to find stuff that needs a response from me
[18:48] <evaluate> I'd rather say it looks 'contemporary'.
[18:49] <doctormo> evaluate: Do you appreciate gold, mahogany, green leather, suites and bowler hats?
[18:49] <evaluate> I'm a 90's kid though, so I don't really like the old-school stuff.
[18:49] <doctormo> I'd say it looks rather post-contemporary ;-)
[18:49] <paultag> evaluate: me too
[18:50] <paultag> I'm 22, I'm an '89 model
[18:50] <evaluate> doctormo, not really. At least not yet. :-)
[18:50] <AlanBell> doctormo: cool, got it, will dispatch 10.10 and 11.04 when they arrive
[18:50] <doctormo> AlanBell: Tah very much.
[18:50] <paultag> doctormo: I love green leather to be fair
[18:50] <paultag> doctormo: bumped the mail
[18:51] <doctormo> paultag: I'm fascinated by past styles, but I guess the bowler hat both gives that away and also makes me look like a twat sometimes.
[18:51] <paultag> doctormo: like you care about that :)
[18:51] <evaluate> paultag, I'm '86, but since it's a poor country here, I got in contact with computers pretty late.
[18:51] <paultag> evaluate: for sure
[18:52] <doctormo> evaluate: I'm an 84 model and I didn't get on a computer until 97 and didn't own one until 2001.
[18:52]  * mhall119 has a sudden urge to tell you all to get off my lawn
[18:53] <evaluate> lol
[18:53]  * nigelb feels like a kid now.
[18:53] <paultag> the 90's were 20 years ago
[18:54] <paultag> iPods are 10 years old
[18:54]  * Pici feels old, yet young
[18:54] <paultag> The Matrix is 10 years old
[18:54] <Pici> That scares me.
[18:54] <paultag> I can keep going
[18:54] <evaluate> doctormo, I played my first games in 'playrooms' (not sure what they're called in eglish) in the mid 00's and had my first personal computer around 2000 too.
[18:54] <paultag> Pici: :)
[18:54] <mhall119> paultag: xkcd already did
[18:54] <paultag> mhall119: Ah, right right. Forgot about that :)
[18:55] <doctormo> paultag: I don't care, normally. But I did care when Jono gave me quite the berating tone at Dallas over the suit. I guess it depends who you are.
[18:55] <paultag> a decade ago is not 1990's anymore
[18:55] <paultag> it's the new millenium
[18:55] <Pici> Especially because the past 10 years have been a blur.
[18:55] <paultag> doctormo: :)
[18:55] <paultag> Pici: dude, for sure!
[18:55] <jono> doctormo, I am sorry?
[18:56] <jono> doctormo, I have never berated you over the suit
[18:56] <doctormo> jono: It was hardly anything, and I don't think you meant it.
[18:56] <paultag> oh snap
[18:56]  * paultag grabs popcorn
[18:56] <Pici> Perhaps jokingly? Internet sarcasm etc.
[18:56] <paultag> Pici: doc-mo said at UDS Dallas
[18:56] <jono> doctormo, it was a joke
[18:57] <jono> you know, no malice intended, just a funny statement
[18:57] <jono> I think 'berating' is a fairly strong way of describing a joke :-)
[18:57] <doctormo> I think I'm starting to understand your humour Jono. ;-)
[18:57] <paultag> doctormo: you spelled humor wrong
[18:57] <paultag> see what I did there?
[18:58] <doctormo> paultag: Are you coming to take a look at the community lab when you get back in town?
[18:58] <paultag> doctormo: YES!! I have some plans to build a top-secret project >:D
[18:58] <mhall119> humor == American jokes, humour == British jokes
[18:58] <doctormo> Not much for tea down here in southie, but a kettle can be aquired for the visit.
[18:58] <jono> doctormo, I would hope so, it has been about three years since I have known you :-)
[18:58] <paultag> doctormo: sure!
[18:58] <Pici> good humor = ice cream
[18:58] <mhall119> Pici: +100
[18:59] <doctormo> jono: I think it look months of talking with Matt Lee before I finally got his humour, something to do with biritish ex-pats.
[18:59] <doctormo> :-P
[18:59] <doctormo> Pici: Ice cream is funny?
[18:59] <Pici> doctormo: It can be
[19:01] <jono> doctormo, heh
[19:45] <maco> I've written up a survey to try to get metrics on what portion of users are having what types of problems, so we can get a broader view of issues (as opposed to the "everybody is hitting every bug ever" sort of viewpoint you get in support/bug-report context) and find where to focus
[19:45] <maco> hggdh suggested i post it here to get feedback on running it as a community metrics initiative - https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=en_US&authkey=COe2n9kC&formkey=dGRLSmxTQ05VYzh6NmdBN3BsakhpM3c6MQ#gid=0
[19:45] <maco> there are two pages that only show up depending on your answers to earlier questions:  only those who report bugs get asked about how it went, and only those whose preferred language is not english are asked about translations (it would be ideal to get people to translate the survey into other languages as well)
[19:46] <maco> (opinions are being solicited here and in the QA channel)
[20:08] <czajkowski> are the videos from keynotes up from UDS somewhere ?
[20:09] <JFo> czajkowski, yep
[20:09] <JFo> let me get you a link if I can find it
[20:09] <JFo> czajkowski, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjyNTCHVyxs
[20:10] <JFo> that is mark's keynote
[20:10] <czajkowski> JFo: thanks
[20:10] <JFo> my pleasure
[20:10] <jcastro> "ubuntu developer channel" will always take you there on googles
[20:11] <czajkowski> ahh If I had a brain
[20:13]  * AlanBell hands czajkowski a diploma
[20:13] <JFo> if she starts singing the song I am going to worry
[20:14] <Daviey> czajkowski is going sing?
[20:14]  * Daviey tunes in
[20:14] <czajkowski> nah I've gotten my uncle to apply to canonical for work
[20:15] <czajkowski> and I wanted to show him some of the video clips
[20:15] <doctormo> czajkowski: nepitism! ;-) *joking*
[20:15] <czajkowski> I'll eventually convert all the family
[20:15] <czajkowski> doctormo: only works if I work there and I don't
[20:15] <doctormo> czajkowski: Yes, your a member of ~not-canonical right? :-D
[20:15] <czajkowski> grr why does my screen keep locking
[20:15] <czajkowski> I've turned that off
[20:16] <doctormo> czajkowski: what did you think of the Queens visit last week?
[20:16] <czajkowski> nice
[20:16] <czajkowski> first in 100 years in the republic
[20:16] <AlanBell> czajkowski: avoid confusion by joining https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical
[20:16] <czajkowski> nice to see change happening
[20:17] <czajkowski> shame there couldnt be the crowds that were allowed for O'Bama yesterday
[20:17] <czajkowski> but security was too high
[20:17] <AlanBell> it was fun to see the different way Queeny and Phil dealt with the Guiness vs the O'Bamas
[20:18] <czajkowski> I really want to lip read when he is about
[20:24] <doctormo> czajkowski: Yeah I heard the Cork speech, but I've heard good things from my other friends in the area.
[20:28] <doctormo> Obama was here in Boston just last week, big crowds, lots of protesters.
[20:30] <doctormo> Basically there is a push from the feds to fingerprint anyone charged with any crime, even speeding crimes. As well as storing personal data, they'll also be handing the fingerprint data to boarder people to catch illegal immigrants.
[20:32] <jcastro> jono: I've rearranged my work items
[20:32] <jcastro> jono: I also added a few "milestone" WI's, basically I added a few WI to check on progress, etc.
[20:32] <jono> jcastro, cool
[20:34] <jcastro> jono: did you see pitti's mail? Basically he's resetting the line on thursday
[20:34] <jcastro> so last call for alcohol, etc.
[20:34] <jono> jcastro, I did
[20:41] <JFo> last call == worst part of the day
[20:44] <czajkowski> JFo: surely it should be the best as it's the last
[20:44] <czajkowski> meaning end of the day
[20:44] <JFo> no, it means no more drinks
[20:44] <JFo> and that is just sad
[20:44] <nigelb> Is the LD call today or tomorrow?
[20:44] <JFo> :)
[20:44] <nigelb> czajkowski: ^^
[20:45] <hggdh> folks, I would like comments on https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=en_US&authkey=COe2n9kC&formkey=dGRLSmxTQ05VYzh6NmdBN3BsakhpM3c6MQ#gid=0
[20:45] <hggdh> can someone look at it and see if this might interest the community?
[20:45] <nigelb> I looked at it before beautification ;)
[20:46] <czajkowski> nigelb: 1st June is next one in my cal
[20:46] <JFo> hggdh, I love it
[20:46] <nigelb> czajkowski: Thanks :) This means I can sleep "early" today :)
[20:46] <JFo> I almost want to take it
[20:46] <JFo> but I am restraining myself
[20:46] <JFo> :)
[20:47] <nigelb> JFo: heh
[20:47] <JFo> and I love that you can check more than one version you are using
[20:47] <nigelb> JFo: well, share it then ;)
[20:47] <hggdh> JFo: go take it -- we need to find out issues before publicly posting it
[20:47] <maco> hggdh: i suspect he went through but didnt click "submit"
[20:47] <JFo> k, will do
[20:48] <maco> the spreadsheet doesnt add a row til you hit submit at the end
[20:48] <maco> im unsure about whether i should delete the existing entries from valorie, hggdh and others in the QA channel
[20:49] <hggdh> maco: I think they are valid answers; they are certainly biased, but we can work it out on the analysis
[20:50] <maco> and everyone has a bias
[20:50] <hggdh> heh. I meant biased to more knowledge of Ubuntu
[20:51] <maco> oh ok. well my bias would end up with me giving low ratings to things others might think are ok...because thats what happens when you read bug reports and hang around support venues
[20:52] <hggdh> I tried to unbias myself -- and gave my answers based on my usage, not my knowledge (or lack of said)
[20:52] <maco> my boyfriend says his perception of ubuntu development has changed since he started dating me
[20:52] <maco> release week in particular...
[20:53] <doctormo> maco: What does his perception say now?
[20:53] <maco> doctormo: that we are not the well-oiled machine of precision he thought we were
[20:54] <doctormo> maco: "some self assembly required, ages 12 and up"
[20:54] <maco> heh
[20:54] <nigelb> jcastro: Hey, in the post-UDS survey, there was a question about summit.  Any chance we can get that data?
[20:55] <doctormo> maco: The thing about well oiled machines (apart from getting you dirty) is they only do one thing. Out community puts out software and plays in a band ;-)
[20:55] <doctormo> our*
[20:55] <JFo> my survey is complete
[20:55] <JFo> it is a bit long
[20:56] <JFo> not a criticism, just observing
[20:57] <maco> it was shorter and i asked in ops channel for first round of feedback and got told to add the translations and help/community and ease of use stuff so that itd have enough in there to avoid having lots of surveys from lots of teams
[21:01] <JFo> yeah, since my primary is English I didn't get the translations bit
[21:01] <JFo> just wondering if there were sections people could opt to skip
[21:01] <JFo> for my own personal thoughts mind you
[21:01] <JFo> I'll be putting out a few surveys this year
[21:02] <JFo> just a mechanism I want to look into
[21:02] <hggdh> this could be done, but we need to know it was skipped -- so you can skip it during analysis
[21:02] <JFo> right
[21:03] <jcastro> nigelb: yeah mail marianna for it
[21:04] <nigelb> jcastro: great, thanks!
[21:05] <hggdh> hum. Why not have a lot of tabs on firefox: I restart it, and it goes to 500M of resident memory usage
[21:06] <hggdh> better than the 1G it was using before restart but, still, a bit on the high side
[21:18]  * JFo beats mozilla's brains out daily
[21:19] <JFo> my browser dies at least 3 times a day
[21:25] <nigelb> g'nite all!
[21:25] <nigelb> 2 am. I'm early to bed today ;)
[21:56] <jcastro> jono: finishing up for the day
[21:56] <jcastro> <--- will be back on tuesday
[21:58] <maco> JFo: only a handful of the questions were required
[21:58] <maco> JFo:  the ones that determine whether you see bugs/translations, the one about which version of ubuntu, and the general-experience one are the only required ones i can think of
[21:59] <maco> oh, help sources and bugs ones too apparently
[21:59] <maco> demographics, loco team, end part are 100% optional
[22:01] <jono> jcastro, have fun!
[22:20] <doctormo> popey or pleia2: do you know how to get the mount point for a given directory? (bash) say if I want to know what file system something is in?
[22:25] <pleia2> just typing "mount" will show you everything
[22:39] <popey> Yes. That.
[22:41] <czajkowski> popey: daft question time.
[22:41] <popey> Uh-huh?
[22:42] <czajkowski> popey: I've screen saver set to not go into screen save mode for never when unpluged or plugged in
[22:42] <czajkowski> yet still does
[22:42] <popey> there are two screensaver settings
[22:42] <czajkowski> any ideas do I have to change it in two places like my browser setting
[22:42] <popey> one is a screensaver
[22:42] <czajkowski> see knew it
[22:42] <popey> one is gnome power manager
[22:42] <popey> you have to do both
[22:42] <czajkowski> ok done gnome power
[22:42] <czajkowski> where do I find screen saver
[22:43] <popey> bfb -> type screensaver
[22:43] <czajkowski> seems daft I've to do things twice in seperate places to do one thing
[22:49] <czajkowski> popey: thank you
[22:49] <czajkowski> popey: problem of me missing skype calls is now adverted from the mothership
[22:51] <czajkowski> one never wants to do that or the mobile goes, followed by a text followed by an email to make sure I'm alive
[23:01] <AlanBell> czajkowski: just wait till she pings you on IRC
[23:04] <czajkowski> eh never gonna happen
[23:05] <czajkowski> I still get lectured over "black screen"
[23:09] <doctormo> pleia2: I ended up using `df $HOME | grep -v File | perl -lne '@a=split(/\s+/); print $a[$#a]'`
[23:21] <maco> http://is.gd/vnPvog <-- survey live now
[23:23] <popey> Is it really wise for us to be running multiple surveys at once?
[23:24] <popey> Isn't this going to cause confusion and dilute any possible evidence we gather?
[23:24] <paultag> maco: I'm an edge case, but I responded :)
[23:25] <paultag> popey: Yeah, I tend to agree
[23:25] <maco> do i delete tweet/dent and wait a week or something?
[23:25] <paultag> maco: yeah
[23:25] <paultag> maco: also, tweet / dent is not the best way to get people
[23:26] <maco> i was going to blog when i get home
[23:26] <pleia2> the advertising survey is open until the beginning of june, so maybe wait until after that?
[23:26] <maco> i just cant do that from work
[23:26] <paultag> maco: it's voluntary response and technical users (a group that is a subsection of the intended target) will be reading your dents / tweets / blog
[23:27] <paultag> so the results will be skewed
[23:27] <maco> paultag: and ask loco teams to spread it to their groups
[23:27] <paultag> maco: That'd be awesome
[23:27] <maco> hggdh and i also talked about finding translators to make identical surveys in other languages
[23:27] <paultag> +1
[23:29] <maco> (if any of you can translate, lemme know)
[23:29] <paultag> I can do German, but not as well as others here
[23:29] <maco> im not sure how to do it other than another survey from scratch
[23:29] <paultag> I think so too
[23:30] <maco> well if someone wants to just email me a list of translations, i'm fine with building a translated one, if they dont feel like doing it themselves
[23:33] <paultag> yar