=== jjohansen is now known as jj-afk === doko_ is now known as doko === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [16:10] The calendar appears to have multiple meetings scheduled at the same time coming up. Has anyone been working on resolving it? [16:28] cp1, what calendar are you referring to? === jj-afk is now known as jjohansen [16:58] cp1, JFo probably http://www.ubuntu-news.org/calendars/fridge/ [16:58] which, does in fact show overlaping meetings [16:59] but it does depend on where the meeting is held, too. [17:00] Hello! [17:01] It is supposed to be in UTC time, so it shouldn't matter where you are. I have it available via my google cal and it adjusts to EST. [17:02] cp1, oh right, not all of those meetings are held in this chanel [17:03] \o [17:03] interesting that the app review board meeting is scheduled to be at 5 though [17:03] Just minor nitpick that the headline says fridge calendar is used for #ubuntu-meeting... :-P [17:03] I sent an email to the two people running the conflicting meetings. [17:03] * JFo goeas away [17:03] But we are invading server-team meeting [17:03] Yes we invaded, or they haven't started yet... [17:04] They try :) [17:04] get out [17:04] \o [17:04] lol [17:04] Also, sometimes the meeting times get confused and come out wrong [17:04] * hallyn holds off on hitting the trigger [17:04] o/ [17:04] hallyn, just shoot them all. [17:04] are we good to go, or should another meeting take precedence? [17:05] ok [17:05] #startmeeting [17:05] Meeting started at 11:05. The chair is hallyn. [17:05] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [17:05] o/ [17:05] \o [17:05] oh no, my clipboard isn't working, this is gonna be a slow one [17:05] already on oneiric? ;) [17:05] oh man...don't get me started [17:06] oneiric is rocking. [17:06] [TOPIC] Review ACTION items from previous meeting [17:06] New Topic: Review ACTION items from previous meeting [17:06] no items? [17:06] don't think there was [17:06] [TOPIC] Oneiric Development [17:06] New Topic: Oneiric Development [17:07] Review blueprints! [17:07] Thanks everyone who filed their blueprints already. [17:07] This Thursday is feature definition freeze [17:07] This means that they should all be squared away by then. [17:07] We really, really need peer reviews [17:07] mine are waiting review [17:07] (open to everyone in ~ubuntu-server) [17:07] :) [17:08] ugh.. [17:08] RoAkSoAx, I thought i sent you a mail asking some questions yesterday? :) [17:08] action? [17:08] * SpamapS needs to finish boot-experience spec.. :-P [17:08] i would like some reviews as well [17:08] Daviey: uhmmmmmmm I didn't receive anything [17:08] :S [17:08] Blueprints are the most important outcome of this week, really. [17:08] [ACTION] All: spec peer reviews [17:08] ACTION received: All: spec peer reviews [17:09] Daviey: maybe you forgot to clic send :D [17:09] * Daviey checks [17:09] what [17:09] no [17:09] I got iut [17:09] it [17:09] Daviey: for the meeting notes, what's that link again to get the list of server specs? [17:09] RoAkSoAx, Subject: Infrastructure power management (server-o-infra-power) ? [17:10] what does "spec peer reviews" mean ? [17:10] anyway, we'll take that out of band. [17:10] hallyn: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-o?searchtext=server-o [17:10] where would i do such a thing ? [17:10] sort by spec name [17:10] smoser, Question the implementation, and direction. [17:10] thx [17:10] where? [17:10] * Daviey will send a post to ubuntu-server ml today with further details. [17:10] in the whiteboard ? [17:10] smoser, on the whiteboard. [17:10] what a messy place for such a thing. I have no suggestion for anything better. [17:11] but conversations there are just about impssible to follow. [17:11] fwiw, all approved blueprints can be found here: http://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+specs?role=assignee [17:11] Daviey: no nothign... didn't receive anything.. that bluprint is being driven by Arnaud from Eaton btw [17:11] [LINK] http://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+specs?role=assignee [17:11] LINK received: http://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+specs?role=assignee [17:11] [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-o?searchtext=server-o [17:11] LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-o?searchtext=server-o [17:11] Daviey: cause it is not powernap :), but rather NUT [17:11] RoAkSoAx, Yeah, i was asking input - i'll send it again. [17:12] Daviey: cool ;) [17:12] That is all from me.. [17:12] ta [17:12] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events [17:12] New Topic: Ubuntu Server Team Events [17:13] anything new coming up? [17:13] i intend to be at first part of plumber's for security mini-conf [17:13] Nothing exciting comes to mind... i think we are all still resting. [17:13] hallyn, Oh - interesting.. we all look forward to the blog post covering that. [17:13] moving on, then [17:14] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [17:14] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [17:14] hggdh: around? [17:15] ok, moving on [17:15] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) [17:15] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) [17:15] smb: hey [17:15] hello [17:15] Just one reminder about my asking about iscsitarget to be only userspace dkms for oneiric. [17:16] I think it should be ok as it is imo not required for installation or boot [17:16] any questions for smb? [17:16] * smb wonders whether he got moderated out of server-ml [17:16] huh [17:16] smb, no - i waved you through [17:17] Daviey, Ta. :) [17:17] ok, moving on then [17:17] (actually meant still stuck in the moderation queue) [17:17] ok with me [17:17] Daviey: want an action to push that through? :) [17:17] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community [17:18] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community [17:18] hmm [17:18] hallyn / smb: i passed your message through the queue when you sent it. [17:18] I wanted to ask about how we might do a better job with security updates. For example the last exim update was kind of slow compared to Debian, and if I had known about it earlier I could have helped patch it and get it out sooner. In that case some people at exim.org knew about the issue about a month ahead of time. So how can we improve issues like that? [17:19] Daviey, Understood that. Just thought my initial question was not put the right way [17:19] does the security team have a list of pending security updates, for volunteers to look through? [17:19] jdstrand: ^ [17:20] non embargoed ones, i guess. [17:20] I don't know that you can split bugs by server, and security in launchpad easily. [17:20] hallyn: yes: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/main.html [17:20] [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/main.html [17:20] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/main.html [17:20] Daviey, package sets! [17:20] kees: thanks [17:20] hallyn: yes, it is incorporated into the sponsoring list and patch piloting. that said, we will be offering up 10-15 packages a month for people to contribue to, as part of the security-o-community bp [17:21] hallyn: and if you want to watch specific package, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/ [17:21] If you are aware of an embargoed issue and have a patch, you can file a private security bug with it so the security team can get a running start at it. [17:21] cp1: ^^^ [17:21] hallyn: this is of course all in addition to what kees just mentioned [17:21] I've done this a number of times and it's worked out nicely. [17:21] jdstrand: ScottK: dholbach: thanks :) [17:22] cp1: maybe you can convert that to an rss feed :) [17:22] My problem is I wasn't aware of it early enough. [17:23] cp1: if you want to watch exim4 specifically, this works: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/exim4.html [17:23] Right, whatever form the list takes - or if you watch one of the many CVE lists - you do simply need to watch it or have a running search for exim [17:23] CVE tagging isn't always helpful, for example mhonarc has some issues now and the bug in lauchpad doesn't have the CVE's associated with it. [17:23] just have a cronjob scrape it daily and check for diffs... [17:24] So we need to do a better job with taggin? [17:24] yah.. more stuff to do :) [17:25] cp1: let's discuss anything further in #ubuntu-hardened [17:25] moving on, [17:25] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [17:25] New Topic: Open Discussion [17:25] any? [17:25] Blueprints, Blueprints and Blueprints [17:25] :) [17:26] BadgersBadgersBadgers [17:26] * RoAkSoAx hates university's wifi network :) [17:26] I'm hoping to fill in the packaging requests for all spice related packages before i slip away [17:26] RoAkSoAx: switch :) [17:26] hallyn: do not go quietly into the night [17:26] ttx: can't... I'm gonna be here for the rest of the day [17:26] hallyn: You know what packaging requests get you, right? [17:26] :( [17:26] hallyn: With a packaging request and a package you've created then you'll get a package. [17:27] ScottK: not sure i follow [17:27] 1. Packaging Request [17:27] 2. Package [17:27] 3 Profit! [17:28] Daviey: 3. Upload [17:28] We've solved it. [17:28] 4. Profit [17:28] yeah, i did them out of order... [17:28] dat be how i roll [17:28] Thanks for the meeting hallyn . [17:28] [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time [17:28] New Topic: Announce next meeting date and time [17:28] One more topic.. any pies in the face planned for UDS-P ? [17:29] Tuesday, May 31st 2011 16:00 UTC [17:29] hallyn: Just filing package requests almost never results in an actual package being created. [17:29] SpamapS: yeah thats what motivates me ;) [17:29] ScottK: i just want the permission to upload them to universe :) [17:29] ScottK: you're just telling me i need to do the packaging, right? [17:29] hallyn: No packaging bug is needed for that. [17:29] yes. [17:29] hallyn: quick end it before it grows another head! [17:29] #endmeeting [17:29] Meeting finished at 11:29. [17:29] :) [17:29] ScottK: yup, thanks [17:30] thanks all, see ya [17:30] hallyn: ty! [17:30] There is no requirement in Ubuntu for such things. [17:30] No requirement in Debian either, but Lintian tells fibs about that. [17:30] ScottK: lemme move to #ubuntu-server and inquire further [17:30] OK [17:57] tick [17:57] tock [17:59] \o [17:59] o/ [17:59] o/ [17:59] o/ [17:59] \o [17:59] o/ [18:00] #startmeeting [18:00] o/ [18:00] Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is bjf. [18:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [18:00] ## [18:00] ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting. [18:00] ## [18:00] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting [18:00] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty [18:00] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting [18:00] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty [18:00] # Meeting Etiquette [18:00] # [18:00] # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input. [18:00] # 'o/' indicates you have something you'd like to add (wait until you are recognized) [18:00] # [18:00] [TOPIC] Release Metrics (JFo) [18:00] New Topic: Release Metrics (JFo) [18:00] Release Meeting Bugs (0 bugs, 18 Blueprints) [18:00] ==== Release Milestoned Bugs (24 across all packages) ==== [18:00] * 0 linux kernel bugs () [18:00] * 0 linux-ti-omap4 bugs () [18:00] * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap4 bug () [18:00] ==== Release Targeted Bugs (171 across all packages) ==== [18:00] * 21 linux kernel bugs () [18:00] * 6 linux-ti-omap4 bugs () [18:00] * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap4 bug () [18:00] ==== Milestoned Features ==== [18:00] * 1 blueprint (Including HWE Blueprints) [18:00] ==== Natty Updates Bugs ==== [18:00] * 28 Linux Bugs () [18:00] ==== Maverick Updates Bugs ==== [18:01] * 5 Linux Bugs (no change) [18:01] ==== Lucid Updates Bugs ==== [18:01] * 17 Linux Bugs (up 1) [18:01] ==== Bugs with Patches Attached:90 (up 3) ==== [18:01] * [[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on | Bugs with Patches]] [18:01] * [[http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/ | Breakdown by status]] [18:01] .. [18:01] [TOPIC] Blueprints: Oneiric Bug Handling (JFo) [18:01] [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-bug-handling [18:01] New Topic: Blueprints: Oneiric Bug Handling (JFo) [18:01] LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-bug-handling [18:01] All alpha 1 items are in progress: [18:01] [jeremyfoshee] work with SRU team and KRM to develop/define process for addressing development kernel bugs.: INPROGRESS [18:01] * started this conversation with an e-mail. [18:01] [jeremyfoshee] Generate specific hotlist for devel bugs focus: INPROGRESS [18:01] * will initially use the same requirements as the 'by team' hotlist, but focused on Oneiric [18:01] * copied the hotlist script and currently working through changes [18:01] [jeremyfoshee] drive new state bugs to 0 and maintain 0 new status bugs daily: INPROGRESS [18:01] * 8 current oneiric bugs. All have been initially triaged and are now going through deeper analysis [18:01] * so far this has helped me determine what skills I'd like to further develop [18:01] [jeremyfoshee] identify which scripts we no longer run which we should port forward (with the aim of 0 New bugs): INPROGRESS [18:01] * Brad's confirmed script is doing a great job currently of identifying what bugs are complete [18:02] enough to be set confirmed [18:02] * Started the discussion on this in e-mail. Will follow up with some thoughts as soon as I have had the time [18:02] to evaluate the responses and chatted with Pete (he's been quite busy lately :)) [18:02] .. [18:02] [TOPIC] Blueprints: Oneiric Config Review (ogasawara) [18:02] [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-config-review [18:02] New Topic: Blueprints: Oneiric Config Review (ogasawara) [18:02] LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-config-review [18:02] We just need to schedule a follow on config review session to look at jj's config comparisons. I suggest we do this at the Rally. I'm continuing to work through some of the config options noted from UDS, none of which are critical for the Alpha-1 release. [18:02] .. [18:03] [TOPIC] Blueprints: Oneiric Delta Review (ogasawara) [18:03] [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-ubuntu-delta-review [18:03] New Topic: Blueprints: Oneiric Delta Review (ogasawara) [18:03] LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-ubuntu-delta-review [18:03] apw, bjf, jjohansen, kees, lag, manjo, mpoirier, ralveti, rtg: you have Alpha-1 work items to review your set of Ubuntu patches. Please take a moment to review or postpone till Alpha-2. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/KernelOneiricUbuntuDeltaReview for your specific set of patches. [18:03] .. [18:03] [TOPIC] Blueprints: Oneiric Server Requirements (smb) [18:03] [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-server-requirements [18:03] New Topic: Blueprints: Oneiric Server Requirements (smb) [18:03] LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-server-requirements [18:03] All good (nothing started) [18:03] .. [18:04] [TOPIC] Status: General Oneiric (ogasawara) [18:04] New Topic: Status: General Oneiric (ogasawara) [18:04] We've uploaded the 2.6.39-3.9 kernel which is based on upstream v2.6.39 final. I intend to keep us on v2.6.39 final for our Alpha-1 release on Thurs June 2. [18:04] .. [18:04] [TOPIC] Status: Stable Kernel Team (sconklin / bjf) [18:04] New Topic: Status: Stable Kernel Team (sconklin / bjf) [18:04] || [18:04] || All kernel packages in -proposed have had verification complete and will be published when Certification and [18:04] || QA are complete (Not all series receive Certification). The Stable team will prepare new kernel packages this [18:04] || week to begin a new cycle. [18:04] || [18:04] || As decided at UDS, the stable kernel cadence will change to a three week cycle, in order to allow time to [18:04] || properly prepare the kernel packages [18:04] .. [18:05] [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Hardy (sconklin / bjf) [18:05] New Topic: Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Hardy (sconklin / bjf) [18:05] Oh, forgot to mention that we Have Herton helping us now (YAY) [18:05] || Package || Upd/Sec || Proposed || TiP || Verified || [18:05] || || || || || || [18:05] || lucid linux-ec2 || 2.6.32-314.27 || 2.6.32-316.31 || 8 || 8 || [18:05] || --- linux-ports-meta || 2.6.32.31.23 || 2.6.32.32.24 || 0 || 0 || [18:05] || --- linux-meta-lts-backport-maverick || 2.6.35.25.36 || 2.6.35.28.37 || 0 || 0 || [18:05] || --- linux-lts-backport-maverick || 2.6.35-25.44~lucid1 || 2.6.35-28.50~lucid1 || 13 || 13 || [18:05] || --- linux-backports-modules-2.6.32 || 2.6.32-31.31 || 2.6.32-32.32 || 0 || 0 || [18:05] || --- linux-firmware || 1.34.7 || 1.34.10 || 0 || 0 || [18:05] || --- linux || 2.6.32-31.61 || 2.6.32-32.62 || 4 || 4 || [18:05] || --- linux-meta || 2.6.32.31.37 || 2.6.32.32.38 || 1 || 0 || [18:05] || --- linux-meta-ec2 || 2.6.32.314.15 || 2.6.32.316.17 || 0 || 0 || [18:05] || || || || || || [18:05] || maverick linux-ports-meta || 2.6.35.28.21 || 2.6.35.29.22 || 0 || 0 || [18:05] || --- linux-backports-modules-2.6.35 || 2.6.35-28.20 || 2.6.35-29.21 || 0 || 0 || [18:05] || --- linux-meta || 2.6.35.28.36 || 2.6.35.29.37 || 0 || 0 || [18:05] || --- linux-firmware || 1.38.6 || 1.38.8 || 1 || 0 || [18:06] \o [18:06] || --- linux || 2.6.35-28.50 || 2.6.35-29.51 || 11 || 9 || [18:06] || || || || || || [18:06] || natty linux-ti-omap4 || || 2.6.38-1209.13 || 10 || 10 || [18:06] || --- linux-backports-modules-2.6.38 || || 2.6.38-9.3 || 0 || 0 || [18:06] || --- linux-meta-ti-omap4 || || 2.6.38.1209.7 || 0 || 0 || [18:06] || --- linux-meta || || 2.6.38.9.23 || 0 || 0 || [18:06] || --- linux || || 2.6.38-9.43 || 9 || 9 || [18:06] || || || || || || [18:06] .. [18:06] Maverick proposed fails to boot on ec2. Currently investigating. [18:06] .. [18:06] smb go [18:06] heh [18:07] [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo) [18:07] New Topic: Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo) [18:07] Incoming Bugs [18:07] 9 Oneiric Bugs () [18:07] 1207 Natty Bugs (up 273) [18:07] 1142 Maverick Bugs (up 13) [18:07] 1029 Lucid Bugs (up 7) [18:07] Current regression stats (broken down by release): [18:07] ==== regression-update ==== [18:07] * 1 natty bug () [18:07] * 42 maverick bugs (up 1) [18:07] * 74 lucid bugs (no change) [18:07] * 4 karmic bugs (no change) [18:07] * 0 hardy bugs (no change) [18:07] ==== regression-release ==== [18:07] * 458 natty bugs (down 26) [18:07] * 244 maverick bugs (up 2) [18:07] * 222 lucid bugs (up 4) [18:07] * 37 karmic bugs (down 1) [18:07] * 2 hardy bugs (no change) [18:07] ==== regression-proposed ==== [18:07] * 1 natty bugs (up 1) [18:07] * 2 maverick bugs (no change) [18:07] * 0 lucid bugs (no change) [18:07] * 0 karmic bugs (no change) [18:07] .. [18:08] probably don't need to be tracking the karmic bugs :-) [18:08] thanks bjftrue [18:08] : [18:08] :) [18:08] [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) [18:08] New Topic: Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) [18:09] sorry for the long, drawn out meeting, the one right after UDS is usually brutal [18:09] :-) [18:09] :-) thanks bjf [18:09] thanks everyone [18:09] #endmeeting [18:09] Meeting finished at 12:09. [18:09] bjf, thank you sir [18:09] thanks bjf [18:09] :) [18:09] cool [18:45] ogasawara: thanks, I'll get nx-emu done today [18:45] kees: no hurry === yofel_ is now known as yofel === skFIN is now known as skfin === stalcup is now known as vorian