[07:45] <rileyp> when I run mythfront it says some fonts are missing in the log if I download some old versions of myththems can I pop them in
[12:09] <rileyp> ThemeInfo, Warning: Unable to open themeinfo.xml for /usr/share/mythtv/themes/BlackCurves-OSD/themeinfo.xml
[12:10] <rileyp> why are a heap of the xml files missing in a clean install of mythbuntu
[12:11] <rileyp> Im using lucid and .24 fixes
[12:46] <ktbos> m looking for help with iPod export.  I've been following the guide at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IPod_Export_Solution:_Myth2iPod but I'm stuck on nuvexport - I don't have it even though according to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Nuvexport , "Nuvexport is now part of MythTV".  Any idea where to find nuvexport, mythextras, or other suggestions on iPod export?
[12:46] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] IPod Export Solution: Myth2iPod - MythTV Official Wiki
[12:47] <ahughes> hey, why should I install mythbuntu over plain old myth?
[12:49] <rileyp> it uses xfce desktop whichis lighter than full buntu desktop
[12:49] <rileyp> great for atom front ends etc
[12:50] <ahughes> I'm going to give my p4 a new lease on life.....
[12:59] <TandyUK> ok, how do i completely, an permanently remove the screensaver feature from ubuntu
[13:00] <TandyUK> one of my customers mythtv's keeps going into what appears to be a screensaver mode, and the remote control will not bring it out
[13:00] <TandyUK> so until they press a key on the keyboard,the system is completely useless, with just a black screen on the tv
[13:01] <Shadow__X> TandyUK: its in the settings menu
[13:01] <Shadow__X> under xfce-settings
[13:01] <TandyUK> its disabled in the settings menu
[13:01] <Shadow__X> also you could just setup dpkm
[13:01] <Shadow__X> thats probably whats acting up
[13:02] <Shadow__X> the screen shuts off and then the remote wont resume it
[13:02] <TandyUK> wtf is dpkm?
[13:02] <TandyUK> are youmeaning dpms?
[13:04] <TandyUK> even google doesnt know what dpkm is
[13:05] <TandyUK> rightin the config, screensaver is diisable
[13:05] <TandyUK> power management is disabled
[13:05] <TandyUK> gnome-screensaver is not installed
[13:05] <TandyUK> xscreensaver is installed, and is what i find running when there is the blank screen
[13:05] <TandyUK> from what ive been reading, disabling the 'screensaver' just disables the graphical display of the screensaver
[13:06] <TandyUK> it doesnt stop the screen 'powering down' as it were
[13:06] <rileyp> TandyUK,  it could be screen lock you can disable it in /etc/defaults/acpi-support
[13:06] <TandyUK> i want to physically remove all traces of having a screensaver
[13:06] <TandyUK> screw burn in issues lol
[13:08] <rileyp> look in synaptic at screen saver and remove it
[13:08] <rileyp> or just disable it
[13:09] <TandyUK> if i do that it tries to uninstall X as a dependency
[13:09] <rileyp> lol
[13:09] <TandyUK> yup lol
[13:09] <TandyUK> already been there :P
[13:09] <TandyUK> strangely, this only happens on my new frontend
[13:09] <TandyUK> the old backend which ive had running for 2+ years never had the same problem
[13:09] <TandyUK> it has never attempted to go to screensaver in itslife
[13:10] <TandyUK> the new frontend, lasts ~5 minutees bufore the screen goes blank
[13:10] <TandyUK> while watching a movie etc its fine
[13:10] <TandyUK> but if paused, at the menu, etc
[13:10] <TandyUK> you cant wake it back up
[13:11] <TandyUK> it requires eiter a keypress,
[13:12] <TandyUK> or a remote ssh "xscreensaver-command --deactivate"
[13:12] <TandyUK> so its clearly xscreensaver causing the problem
[13:17] <TandyUK> hmm well thees a new one
[13:18] <TandyUK> i just upgrade the backend from 10.04 to 10.01
[13:18] <TandyUK> 10.10*
[13:18] <TandyUK> now in mythbuntu control center, when i try changing the repo fom 0.23.1 to 0.24.x it tells me "cant do that as non root user"
[13:18] <TandyUK> not "please give  roots password"
[13:19] <TandyUK> as i dont have a screen attached to this system, and cant vnc to the login screenn, any suggestions?
[13:20] <TandyUK> Permisson denied by policykit. unable to process changes that require root
[13:20] <TandyUK> is the exact message
[13:27] <rileyp> running mcc via ssh x you must run sudo mcc to change things
[13:28] <TandyUK> thats from the desktop mate
[13:28] <TandyUK> vnc'd into the machine
[13:29] <TandyUK> as for sudo'ing it
[13:29] <TandyUK> sudo: mcc: command not found
[13:29] <TandyUK> if i do a database backup, from a 0.23.1 system
[13:30] <TandyUK> and do clean install of the new 11.04
[13:30] <TandyUK> which will put 0.24.x in, will i be able to restore my backup?
[13:36] <TandyUK> ah
[13:36] <TandyUK> mcc doesnt exist
[13:37] <TandyUK> its "mythbuntu-control-centre"
[13:40] <rileyp> thnaks for that I know
[13:41] <TandyUK> yeah i didnt so thanks for
[13:41] <TandyUK> "you must run sudo mcc"
[13:41] <TandyUK> not very elpful ;)
[13:41] <rileyp> TandyUK,  yes if you do it right
[13:41] <TandyUK> dont just assume people know that "mcc" is short for ....
[13:42] <rileyp> too many leters and you spoke of clients pc and so i thought you might know what your selling
[13:42] <TandyUK> i sell the pc, not the software on it
[13:42] <TandyUK> 99% of the time mythbuntu works fine out of the box
[13:43] <TandyUK> oh well time for a reinstall
[13:43] <TandyUK> probably safer anyway as i have a mobo upgrade to do as well
[13:44] <rileyp> why reinstall ubunto never breaks
[13:45] <TandyUK> well it semms prtty broken so far
[13:45] <TandyUK> its failing to switch betwen the 0.23.1 and 0.24.x repos
[13:45] <rileyp> do a backup of db and save it or what I did wa sjust copy whole mysql dir and  and paste
[13:46] <TandyUK> the update manager warns me it cant upgrade because "not al updates can be installed" "run a partial upgrade"
[13:46] <rileyp> amd then set permissions the same must be done on stoped mysql server though
[13:46] <TandyUK> but im betting the new 11.04 will install 0.24.x by default
[13:46] <TandyUK> so my question for hours ago lol
[13:46] <TandyUK> if i backup a 0.23.1 database
[13:47] <TandyUK> will it restore properly on a 0.24.x system
[13:47] <TandyUK> does it handle that, or will i end up with a screwed database
[13:47] <TandyUK> i already have a complete backup of the system
[13:48] <TandyUK> the db and all 1.1Tb of files that was in the myth folder
[13:48] <rileyp> TandyUK,  you do a backup so if you stuf it up yo have a backup
[13:48] <TandyUK> i think you are missing the point
[13:48] <TandyUK> my backup is from a 0.23.1 mythtv install
[13:48] <TandyUK> 11.04 will install 0.24.x mythtv
[13:48] <rileyp> and so you know it needs to do all 0.23 updates before going to 0.24 so thats why a partial upgrade need be done forst
[13:49] <TandyUK> so i need to do this partiasl upgrade then another backup
[13:49] <rileyp> yes do each update and myth as of 0.23 does db backup at each stafge anyway
[13:49] <rileyp> stage sorry
[14:57] <tgm4883> TandyUK, is you do an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' from the command line, does it say it will remove anything?
[14:58] <TandyUK> yup
[14:58] <tgm4883> pastebin?
[14:58] <TandyUK> too late lol
[14:58] <tgm4883> ok
[14:58] <tgm4883> I usually don't recommend people upgrade the distro. I recommend sticking LTS to LTS
[14:59] <TandyUK> im beginning to regret it lol
[14:59] <TandyUK> this system doesnt have a montior
[15:00] <TandyUK> i dont have a tv to plug in, and half way through the upgrade it killed my vnc sesion
[15:00] <TandyUK> so now i have nfi what is going on
[15:00] <TandyUK> i can spawn a new vnc session on :1 or higher
[15:00] <TandyUK> but i cant get back to the :0 session
[15:27] <Vili_> What might be wrong when I Kaffeine shows TV just fine, but with mythbuntu the image is all scrambled like bad signal
[15:28] <Vili_> MythTV says Signal 52 when changing channels
[17:05] <TandyUK> well upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04 is  REALLY bad idea
[17:05] <TandyUK> myth is down, machine now isnt even dhcp'ing an address
[17:05] <tgm4883> ?
[17:05] <TandyUK> screen is blank
[17:06] <TandyUK> i see it start to boot, and then put the mythbuntu loading screen up, then blank
[17:06] <TandyUK> time a clean install
[17:06] <TandyUK> time for*
[17:47] <TandyUK> that upgrade screwed grub too,
[17:48] <TandyUK> it doesnt auto boot now, grub just sits indefnitely until you press enter
[17:48] <TandyUK> id seriously consider changing the mythbuntu.org/upgading page to say
[17:48] <TandyUK> for 10.10 to 11.04... DONT
[17:48] <TandyUK> oh, and after grub,
[17:48] <TandyUK> "the disk drive for / is not yet ready or not present"
[17:49] <TandyUK> it gets better lmao
[18:04] <foxbuntu> TandyUK, sorry to hear that. But its likely something broke during the upgrade process. The dpkg log will likely point out the broken package or failure during the upgrade. How did you upgrade the machine?
[18:05] <TandyUK> from clicking "upgrade" when package manager asked me if i wanted to upgrade
[18:05] <TandyUK> the machine is now in bits so there no chance of me ever seeing the log
[18:06] <foxbuntu> bits as in, you took it apart, or the O/S doesn't boot?
[18:06] <rhpot1991> vaporized
[18:07] <TandyUK> no as in i took it apart lol
[18:07] <foxbuntu> ah...well that would explain things...an over jucied flux capicitor
[18:07] <TandyUK> in hindsight probably best as i was going to try upgrading the board from a amd 64 x2 dual core, to an intel core i7
[18:07] <TandyUK> so the kernel would probably have shat itself
[18:08] <rhpot1991> TandyUK: might be a good idea to salvage your db backups and recordings from the hard drive
[18:08] <foxbuntu> prob not
[18:08] <rhpot1991> and do a fresh install on the new box
[18:08] <TandyUK> rhpot1991 theyre on a different machine long before i started to upgrade ;)
[18:08] <rhpot1991> well then just import the old stuff into the new box
[18:08] <TandyUK> along with the 1.1Tb of data that was on that machines raid array
[18:08] <rhpot1991> and call it good
[18:09] <foxbuntu> soft or hardware raid?
[18:09] <TandyUK> software unfortunately
[18:09] <foxbuntu> yucky
[18:09]  * foxbuntu hides
[18:09] <TandyUK> if it was hardware i probaly wouldnt have bothered with a backup lol
[18:09] <foxbuntu> :P
[18:09] <TandyUK> software raid = better than no raid imho :P
[18:09] <rhpot1991> raid is over rated
[18:10] <foxbuntu> raid != backup
[18:10] <rhpot1991> real men just lose their recordings when hard drives fail
[18:10] <TandyUK> especialy as this is for a customer who lost 1.2tb of data about 18 months ago
[18:10] <TandyUK> you dont need to tell me that foxbuntu
[18:10] <foxbuntu> TandyUK, all too many people view it that way
[18:10] <TandyUK> i have raid 5/6 arrays in all my machines
[18:11] <TandyUK> and they all get a nightly backup onto other machines with raid
[18:11] <TandyUK> in different buildings
[18:11] <TandyUK> bless rsync :P
[18:12] <TandyUK> this machine i think has raid 6 in it now
[18:12] <TandyUK> set to unmount as soon as a drive fails
[18:12] <TandyUK> thats how my customer lost data last time lol
[18:12] <TandyUK> when their data drive disappeared, they got me over
[18:12] <TandyUK> and explained how "it has been going realy slow for ages" and today its just not there
[18:13] <TandyUK> the "really slow" bit was when the array was running in degraded mode
[18:13] <TandyUK> then the second drive failed lol
[18:51] <tmkt> anyone been able to upgrade to 24.1?
[18:51] <tmkt> never mind
[18:51] <tmkt> i see its on my system now
[19:05] <TandyUK> has anyone ever tried runnig myth in a vm
[19:05] <TandyUK> i knwo the basic os would work, but how would the vm accessing the hardware work
[19:06] <rhpot1991> TandyUK: bad idea
[19:06] <rhpot1991> you can make it work but its gonna be a headache
[19:06] <rhpot1991> network tuners will be your friend
[19:06] <TandyUK> on a dual i7 with 32gb of ram?
[19:06] <rhpot1991> like the HDHR
[19:06] <TandyUK> ahha so theres a better way :P
[19:06] <rhpot1991> I forget if they make the UK version of that still
[19:07] <TandyUK> eu apparantly
[19:09] <TandyUK> damn
[19:09] <Zinn> TandyUK: Please watch your language.
[19:09] <TandyUK> if it has DVB-S2 id buy one
[19:09] <TandyUK> and since when is damn swearing lol
[19:09] <Zinn> TandyUK: Please watch your language.
[19:10] <TandyUK> stupid bot
[19:10] <TandyUK> nice idea though
[20:16] <TandyUK> well trying a clean install of 11.04 the installer crashed about 80% through
[20:17] <TandyUK> timeto file the bg report...
[20:18] <baggar11> TandyUK: I run mythtv-backend virtualized
[21:12] <TandyUK> ok anyone actually used backup/restore
[21:12] <TandyUK> im getting python errors when trying to restore an archive
[21:14] <TandyUK> http://pastebin.com/VcgyZKUQ
[21:14] <Zinn> [pastebin.com] org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.RuntimeError Traceback (most recent call last): - Pastebin.com
[21:14] <TandyUK> the latest mythbuntu is filling me with joy lol
[21:15] <tgm4883> TandyUK, known issue with MCC
[21:15] <tgm4883> workaround is to kill mcc-backend, start mcc-backend in the terminal, then run MCC
[21:16] <tgm4883> mcc-backend will need to be run as root
[21:16] <TandyUK> btw what is the default root password for a mythbuntu bow
[21:17] <TandyUK> it doesnt ask to set one during setup
[21:17] <TandyUK> and doesnt use the first users pass either
[21:17] <tgm4883> TandyUK, yes it does
[21:17] <TandyUK> well it didnt adk, and isnt set to my users password
[21:18] <TandyUK> i can get rootsith sudo su -
[21:18] <tgm4883> it is the first users password
[21:18] <tgm4883> what are you doing that the first users password isnt' working?
[21:19] <TandyUK> michael@myth-bedroom:~$ su -
[21:19] <TandyUK> Password:
[21:19] <TandyUK> su: Authentication failure
[21:19] <TandyUK> i dont think im typing the password wrong 5 times in a row lol
[21:19] <TandyUK> michael@myth-bedroom:~$ sudo su -
[21:19] <TandyUK> [sudo] password for michael:
[21:19] <TandyUK> root@myth-bedroom:~#
[21:19] <TandyUK> as is by magic
[21:19] <tgm4883> well yea you have to do sudo su -
[21:19] <TandyUK> so root and michael do not have the same password
[21:20] <tgm4883> I'm not sure I want to go into a basic introduction into how Ubuntu and sudo work
[21:20] <TandyUK> pretty stupidly from the sound of it
[21:20] <tgm4883> Um no
[21:20] <TandyUK> and unlike *every* other *nix distro by the sound of it
[21:20] <tgm4883> root has no password, as you cannot login as root
[21:20] <tgm4883> for security purposes
[21:22] <TandyUK> well whatever
[21:22] <TandyUK> [21:15:54] <tgm4883> workaround is to kill mcc-backend, start mcc-backend in the terminal, then run MCC
[21:22] <TandyUK> [21:16:22] <tgm4883> mcc-backend will need to be run as root
[21:22] <TandyUK> mcc-backend doesnt exist
[21:22] <TandyUK> do you mean mythbackend?
[21:22] <tgm4883> IIRC, /usr/share/mythbuntu/mcc-backend
[21:24] <tgm4883> TandyUK, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[21:24] <Zinn> [help.ubuntu.com] RootSudo - Community Ubuntu Documentation
[21:28] <TandyUK> yeah nasty hack tbh
[21:29] <TandyUK> all it does is shift the point of weakness to the user account, rather than the root account
[21:29] <TandyUK> if the password is poor, nothingis any different to having a weak root password
[21:29] <TandyUK> but the backup restored that time so ty
[21:29] <tgm4883> yw
[21:42] <Batshua> PROBLEM!
[21:42] <Batshua> I have 100% signal (connected to my cable box)
[21:42] <Batshua> but no signal lock.
[21:42] <Batshua> Yesterday I recorded just fine.
[21:42] <Batshua> well, not no lock.  Partial lock.  I have an L.
[21:43] <Batshua> I'm not sure where what the next troubleshooting step is.
[23:34] <dewman> did you pay your bill? ;)