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ojwbmorning00:05
ojwbsnail: these days the students probably carry more than 2GB around in their pockets00:06
ojwbto them it's like small change00:06
* mwhudson wonders if he can post the "so you think disk space is cheap" rant from the internal list somewhere public...00:08
ojwbit's not as cheap as "cost of cheapest disk I know of / size"00:09
ojwbwhich is what most people think of00:09
ojwbbut I bet it's pretty cheap compared to most people's time in a typical organisation00:10
ibeardsleethe problem is that it's not just disk space it is also the space on several tapes from the backups00:11
ibeardsleeI wonder the reaction if you said 2GB and it gets backed up or 5GB and no backups00:11
ibeardsleeI bet there'd still be tears and anger if those that agreed to the 5GB and no backups lost data00:12
mwhudsoni certainly wouldn't bet against you00:13
lifelessmwhudson: disk space is cheap00:14
lifelessmwhudson: just not server RAID disk space :)00:14
ojwbibeardslee: plus the cost of a server or NAS to put them in, the cost of housing and running that, sysadmin costs for looking after it, ...00:14
ajmitchjust run down to the local shop & buy another 2TB drive, right?00:18
lifelessajmitch: with swift and the like yes - just buy 3 such disks and plug them in00:29
lifelessrofl http://www.twitblaze.com/00:34
ojwblifeless: oh, I was expecting a bonfire of the inanities00:34
lifelessojwb: april fools page, reasonably fun one00:35
lifelessif you really need lots of space - http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/00:36
lifelessI suspect its cheaper than tape at the densities they get00:36
snailat oxford i shared a building with this thing: http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/hfs/help/furtherinfo.xml at the time it was the largest concentration of storage in Europe. they have archival copies of most science data generated in the UK (+ CERN + several international astronomy projects)00:45
snaillifeless: those backblaze things seem to have really poor throughput, but i guess to have to choose hat to optimise for00:50
ojwbis there a way to disable the new "no scrollbars" thing on natty?02:02
hadsIf you find out let me know, I'm not a fan.02:03
ojwbi'd be more of a fan if clicking on the arrows actually scrolled by a page02:04
ojwbrather than doing nothing02:04
ojwbthey've removed the useful ability to scroll by a page with the mouse02:04
ojwbat least AFAICS02:04
ojwbwhich is silly given the obvious (to me at least) action to try for that does nothing now02:04
ojwbthe small space used is nice, but it took me a while to realise those were scrollbars02:04
hadsMy main gripe is the fact that you can't scroll right from the edge of the screen.02:06
ajmitchhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/34214/how-do-i-disable-overlay-scrollbars02:07
ojwbooh ta02:09
* ojwb can see he'll soon end up with a dummy package just to clear out all the stuff he doesn't want installed02:10
ajmitchsuch as the global menu, unity itself? :)02:14
ojwbi nuked unity, but mostly because it just seems very unreliable currently02:18
ojwbit randomly fails to slide back in02:18
mwhudsonluckily, thumper will fix all the unity bugs02:18
* thumper snorts a little02:20
mwhudson>:)02:20
ajmitchwe'll be sure to file any complaints we have with him02:20
thumperojwb, hads: I know that the scroll bars are receiving a lot of attention02:20
thumperunity has grown a lot on me since I started using it02:21
ajmitchit hasn't crashed for awhile for me at home02:22
ajmitchI haven't installed any updates, so there's been a bit of a slow memory leak over the last couple of weeks for it02:23
thumperyeah... it has some leaks still02:36
hadsI'm happy enough with Unity02:48
lifelessI had to switch the scroll things off; I couldn't see them.02:52
thumperfor some reason, I never got the scroll things turned on03:31
thumperprobably a bug03:31
mwhudsontalking of unity04:25
mwhudson"unity-window-decorations" just crashed04:25
mwhudsonbut everything else works fine04:26
hadsYay, new disk and everything resyncing. I feel safe again.07:52
ibeardsleeis it afternoon yet?20:29
hadsyes20:43
ibeardsleeexcellent .. because the morning was looking like it was going to be shit20:44
ibeardsleehow old was the disk that died?20:44
snailmorning all20:53
ajmitchmorning20:54
ibeardsleeNoooo!!! I was told it was afternoon20:55
* ibeardslee wanders away to sulk20:55
ajmitchibeardslee: sorry20:56
ajmitchibeardslee: it can be afternoon for you if you want20:59
ibeardsleethanks :)21:00
ajmitchyou just need to fly to new york or a similar timezone :)21:00
Atamiramorena21:16
Atamirais it friday yet21:16
ajmitchif only it could be21:18
ajmitchfriday afternoon would be best21:18
mwhudsonmorning22:06
thumpermorning22:09
Atamiraajmitch, friday morning for me is best. since i work graveyard shifts22:33
ajmitchno beer o'clock?22:36
ojwbmorning23:57

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