| ojwb | morning | 00:05 |
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| ojwb | snail: these days the students probably carry more than 2GB around in their pockets | 00:06 |
| ojwb | to them it's like small change | 00:06 |
| * mwhudson wonders if he can post the "so you think disk space is cheap" rant from the internal list somewhere public... | 00:08 | |
| ojwb | it's not as cheap as "cost of cheapest disk I know of / size" | 00:09 |
| ojwb | which is what most people think of | 00:09 |
| ojwb | but I bet it's pretty cheap compared to most people's time in a typical organisation | 00:10 |
| ibeardslee | the problem is that it's not just disk space it is also the space on several tapes from the backups | 00:11 |
| ibeardslee | I wonder the reaction if you said 2GB and it gets backed up or 5GB and no backups | 00:11 |
| ibeardslee | I bet there'd still be tears and anger if those that agreed to the 5GB and no backups lost data | 00:12 |
| mwhudson | i certainly wouldn't bet against you | 00:13 |
| lifeless | mwhudson: disk space is cheap | 00:14 |
| lifeless | mwhudson: just not server RAID disk space :) | 00:14 |
| ojwb | ibeardslee: plus the cost of a server or NAS to put them in, the cost of housing and running that, sysadmin costs for looking after it, ... | 00:14 |
| ajmitch | just run down to the local shop & buy another 2TB drive, right? | 00:18 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: with swift and the like yes - just buy 3 such disks and plug them in | 00:29 |
| lifeless | rofl http://www.twitblaze.com/ | 00:34 |
| ojwb | lifeless: oh, I was expecting a bonfire of the inanities | 00:34 |
| lifeless | ojwb: april fools page, reasonably fun one | 00:35 |
| lifeless | if you really need lots of space - http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/ | 00:36 |
| lifeless | I suspect its cheaper than tape at the densities they get | 00:36 |
| snail | at oxford i shared a building with this thing: http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/hfs/help/furtherinfo.xml at the time it was the largest concentration of storage in Europe. they have archival copies of most science data generated in the UK (+ CERN + several international astronomy projects) | 00:45 |
| snail | lifeless: those backblaze things seem to have really poor throughput, but i guess to have to choose hat to optimise for | 00:50 |
| ojwb | is there a way to disable the new "no scrollbars" thing on natty? | 02:02 |
| hads | If you find out let me know, I'm not a fan. | 02:03 |
| ojwb | i'd be more of a fan if clicking on the arrows actually scrolled by a page | 02:04 |
| ojwb | rather than doing nothing | 02:04 |
| ojwb | they've removed the useful ability to scroll by a page with the mouse | 02:04 |
| ojwb | at least AFAICS | 02:04 |
| ojwb | which is silly given the obvious (to me at least) action to try for that does nothing now | 02:04 |
| ojwb | the small space used is nice, but it took me a while to realise those were scrollbars | 02:04 |
| hads | My main gripe is the fact that you can't scroll right from the edge of the screen. | 02:06 |
| ajmitch | http://askubuntu.com/questions/34214/how-do-i-disable-overlay-scrollbars | 02:07 |
| ojwb | ooh ta | 02:09 |
| * ojwb can see he'll soon end up with a dummy package just to clear out all the stuff he doesn't want installed | 02:10 | |
| ajmitch | such as the global menu, unity itself? :) | 02:14 |
| ojwb | i nuked unity, but mostly because it just seems very unreliable currently | 02:18 |
| ojwb | it randomly fails to slide back in | 02:18 |
| mwhudson | luckily, thumper will fix all the unity bugs | 02:18 |
| * thumper snorts a little | 02:20 | |
| mwhudson | >:) | 02:20 |
| ajmitch | we'll be sure to file any complaints we have with him | 02:20 |
| thumper | ojwb, hads: I know that the scroll bars are receiving a lot of attention | 02:20 |
| thumper | unity has grown a lot on me since I started using it | 02:21 |
| ajmitch | it hasn't crashed for awhile for me at home | 02:22 |
| ajmitch | I haven't installed any updates, so there's been a bit of a slow memory leak over the last couple of weeks for it | 02:23 |
| thumper | yeah... it has some leaks still | 02:36 |
| hads | I'm happy enough with Unity | 02:48 |
| lifeless | I had to switch the scroll things off; I couldn't see them. | 02:52 |
| thumper | for some reason, I never got the scroll things turned on | 03:31 |
| thumper | probably a bug | 03:31 |
| mwhudson | talking of unity | 04:25 |
| mwhudson | "unity-window-decorations" just crashed | 04:25 |
| mwhudson | but everything else works fine | 04:26 |
| hads | Yay, new disk and everything resyncing. I feel safe again. | 07:52 |
| ibeardslee | is it afternoon yet? | 20:29 |
| hads | yes | 20:43 |
| ibeardslee | excellent .. because the morning was looking like it was going to be shit | 20:44 |
| ibeardslee | how old was the disk that died? | 20:44 |
| snail | morning all | 20:53 |
| ajmitch | morning | 20:54 |
| ibeardslee | Noooo!!! I was told it was afternoon | 20:55 |
| * ibeardslee wanders away to sulk | 20:55 | |
| ajmitch | ibeardslee: sorry | 20:56 |
| ajmitch | ibeardslee: it can be afternoon for you if you want | 20:59 |
| ibeardslee | thanks :) | 21:00 |
| ajmitch | you just need to fly to new york or a similar timezone :) | 21:00 |
| Atamira | morena | 21:16 |
| Atamira | is it friday yet | 21:16 |
| ajmitch | if only it could be | 21:18 |
| ajmitch | friday afternoon would be best | 21:18 |
| mwhudson | morning | 22:06 |
| thumper | morning | 22:09 |
| Atamira | ajmitch, friday morning for me is best. since i work graveyard shifts | 22:33 |
| ajmitch | no beer o'clock? | 22:36 |
| ojwb | morning | 23:57 |
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