[00:05] <ojwb> morning
[00:06] <ojwb> snail: these days the students probably carry more than 2GB around in their pockets
[00:06] <ojwb> to them it's like small change
[00:08]  * mwhudson wonders if he can post the "so you think disk space is cheap" rant from the internal list somewhere public...
[00:09] <ojwb> it's not as cheap as "cost of cheapest disk I know of / size"
[00:09] <ojwb> which is what most people think of
[00:10] <ojwb> but I bet it's pretty cheap compared to most people's time in a typical organisation
[00:11] <ibeardslee> the problem is that it's not just disk space it is also the space on several tapes from the backups
[00:11] <ibeardslee> I wonder the reaction if you said 2GB and it gets backed up or 5GB and no backups
[00:12] <ibeardslee> I bet there'd still be tears and anger if those that agreed to the 5GB and no backups lost data
[00:13] <mwhudson> i certainly wouldn't bet against you
[00:14] <lifeless> mwhudson: disk space is cheap
[00:14] <lifeless> mwhudson: just not server RAID disk space :)
[00:14] <ojwb> ibeardslee: plus the cost of a server or NAS to put them in, the cost of housing and running that, sysadmin costs for looking after it, ...
[00:18] <ajmitch> just run down to the local shop & buy another 2TB drive, right?
[00:29] <lifeless> ajmitch: with swift and the like yes - just buy 3 such disks and plug them in
[00:34] <lifeless> rofl http://www.twitblaze.com/
[00:34] <ojwb> lifeless: oh, I was expecting a bonfire of the inanities
[00:35] <lifeless> ojwb: april fools page, reasonably fun one
[00:36] <lifeless> if you really need lots of space - http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/
[00:36] <lifeless> I suspect its cheaper than tape at the densities they get
[00:45] <snail> at oxford i shared a building with this thing: http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/hfs/help/furtherinfo.xml at the time it was the largest concentration of storage in Europe. they have archival copies of most science data generated in the UK (+ CERN + several international astronomy projects)
[00:50] <snail> lifeless: those backblaze things seem to have really poor throughput, but i guess to have to choose hat to optimise for
[02:02] <ojwb> is there a way to disable the new "no scrollbars" thing on natty?
[02:03] <hads> If you find out let me know, I'm not a fan.
[02:04] <ojwb> i'd be more of a fan if clicking on the arrows actually scrolled by a page
[02:04] <ojwb> rather than doing nothing
[02:04] <ojwb> they've removed the useful ability to scroll by a page with the mouse
[02:04] <ojwb> at least AFAICS
[02:04] <ojwb> which is silly given the obvious (to me at least) action to try for that does nothing now
[02:04] <ojwb> the small space used is nice, but it took me a while to realise those were scrollbars
[02:06] <hads> My main gripe is the fact that you can't scroll right from the edge of the screen.
[02:07] <ajmitch> http://askubuntu.com/questions/34214/how-do-i-disable-overlay-scrollbars
[02:09] <ojwb> ooh ta
[02:10]  * ojwb can see he'll soon end up with a dummy package just to clear out all the stuff he doesn't want installed
[02:14] <ajmitch> such as the global menu, unity itself? :)
[02:18] <ojwb> i nuked unity, but mostly because it just seems very unreliable currently
[02:18] <ojwb> it randomly fails to slide back in
[02:18] <mwhudson> luckily, thumper will fix all the unity bugs
[02:20]  * thumper snorts a little
[02:20] <mwhudson> >:)
[02:20] <ajmitch> we'll be sure to file any complaints we have with him
[02:20] <thumper> ojwb, hads: I know that the scroll bars are receiving a lot of attention
[02:21] <thumper> unity has grown a lot on me since I started using it
[02:22] <ajmitch> it hasn't crashed for awhile for me at home
[02:23] <ajmitch> I haven't installed any updates, so there's been a bit of a slow memory leak over the last couple of weeks for it
[02:36] <thumper> yeah... it has some leaks still
[02:48] <hads> I'm happy enough with Unity
[02:52] <lifeless> I had to switch the scroll things off; I couldn't see them.
[03:31] <thumper> for some reason, I never got the scroll things turned on
[03:31] <thumper> probably a bug
[04:25] <mwhudson> talking of unity
[04:25] <mwhudson> "unity-window-decorations" just crashed
[04:26] <mwhudson> but everything else works fine
[07:52] <hads> Yay, new disk and everything resyncing. I feel safe again.
[20:29] <ibeardslee> is it afternoon yet?
[20:43] <hads> yes
[20:44] <ibeardslee> excellent .. because the morning was looking like it was going to be shit
[20:44] <ibeardslee> how old was the disk that died?
[20:53] <snail> morning all
[20:54] <ajmitch> morning
[20:55] <ibeardslee> Noooo!!! I was told it was afternoon
[20:55]  * ibeardslee wanders away to sulk
[20:56] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: sorry
[20:59] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: it can be afternoon for you if you want
[21:00] <ibeardslee> thanks :)
[21:00] <ajmitch> you just need to fly to new york or a similar timezone :)
[21:16] <Atamira> morena
[21:16] <Atamira> is it friday yet
[21:18] <ajmitch> if only it could be
[21:18] <ajmitch> friday afternoon would be best
[22:06] <mwhudson> morning
[22:09] <thumper> morning
[22:33] <Atamira> ajmitch, friday morning for me is best. since i work graveyard shifts
[22:36] <ajmitch> no beer o'clock?
[23:57] <ojwb> morning