[00:05] morning [00:06] snail: these days the students probably carry more than 2GB around in their pockets [00:06] to them it's like small change [00:08] * mwhudson wonders if he can post the "so you think disk space is cheap" rant from the internal list somewhere public... [00:09] it's not as cheap as "cost of cheapest disk I know of / size" [00:09] which is what most people think of [00:10] but I bet it's pretty cheap compared to most people's time in a typical organisation [00:11] the problem is that it's not just disk space it is also the space on several tapes from the backups [00:11] I wonder the reaction if you said 2GB and it gets backed up or 5GB and no backups [00:12] I bet there'd still be tears and anger if those that agreed to the 5GB and no backups lost data [00:13] i certainly wouldn't bet against you [00:14] mwhudson: disk space is cheap [00:14] mwhudson: just not server RAID disk space :) [00:14] ibeardslee: plus the cost of a server or NAS to put them in, the cost of housing and running that, sysadmin costs for looking after it, ... [00:18] just run down to the local shop & buy another 2TB drive, right? [00:29] ajmitch: with swift and the like yes - just buy 3 such disks and plug them in [00:34] rofl http://www.twitblaze.com/ [00:34] lifeless: oh, I was expecting a bonfire of the inanities [00:35] ojwb: april fools page, reasonably fun one [00:36] if you really need lots of space - http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/ [00:36] I suspect its cheaper than tape at the densities they get [00:45] at oxford i shared a building with this thing: http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/hfs/help/furtherinfo.xml at the time it was the largest concentration of storage in Europe. they have archival copies of most science data generated in the UK (+ CERN + several international astronomy projects) [00:50] lifeless: those backblaze things seem to have really poor throughput, but i guess to have to choose hat to optimise for [02:02] is there a way to disable the new "no scrollbars" thing on natty? [02:03] If you find out let me know, I'm not a fan. [02:04] i'd be more of a fan if clicking on the arrows actually scrolled by a page [02:04] rather than doing nothing [02:04] they've removed the useful ability to scroll by a page with the mouse [02:04] at least AFAICS [02:04] which is silly given the obvious (to me at least) action to try for that does nothing now [02:04] the small space used is nice, but it took me a while to realise those were scrollbars [02:06] My main gripe is the fact that you can't scroll right from the edge of the screen. [02:07] http://askubuntu.com/questions/34214/how-do-i-disable-overlay-scrollbars [02:09] ooh ta [02:10] * ojwb can see he'll soon end up with a dummy package just to clear out all the stuff he doesn't want installed [02:14] such as the global menu, unity itself? :) [02:18] i nuked unity, but mostly because it just seems very unreliable currently [02:18] it randomly fails to slide back in [02:18] luckily, thumper will fix all the unity bugs [02:20] * thumper snorts a little [02:20] >:) [02:20] we'll be sure to file any complaints we have with him [02:20] ojwb, hads: I know that the scroll bars are receiving a lot of attention [02:21] unity has grown a lot on me since I started using it [02:22] it hasn't crashed for awhile for me at home [02:23] I haven't installed any updates, so there's been a bit of a slow memory leak over the last couple of weeks for it [02:36] yeah... it has some leaks still [02:48] I'm happy enough with Unity [02:52] I had to switch the scroll things off; I couldn't see them. [03:31] for some reason, I never got the scroll things turned on [03:31] probably a bug [04:25] talking of unity [04:25] "unity-window-decorations" just crashed [04:26] but everything else works fine [07:52] Yay, new disk and everything resyncing. I feel safe again. [20:29] is it afternoon yet? [20:43] yes [20:44] excellent .. because the morning was looking like it was going to be shit [20:44] how old was the disk that died? [20:53] morning all [20:54] morning [20:55] Noooo!!! I was told it was afternoon [20:55] * ibeardslee wanders away to sulk [20:56] ibeardslee: sorry [20:59] ibeardslee: it can be afternoon for you if you want [21:00] thanks :) [21:00] you just need to fly to new york or a similar timezone :) [21:16] morena [21:16] is it friday yet [21:18] if only it could be [21:18] friday afternoon would be best [22:06] morning [22:09] morning [22:33] ajmitch, friday morning for me is best. since i work graveyard shifts [22:36] no beer o'clock? [23:57] morning