| hypatia | hehe i'm not sure that was the intended effect | 00:41 |
|---|---|---|
| elky | Looking at the context, it was poorly worded but in response to someone pretty much abusing the existance of -offtopic as an alternative support channel. | 00:50 |
| LjL | i wonder though what was wrong with the previous unwritten policy of just telling them "look, you should probably try asking that question in #ubuntu, asking here is likely to get no responses or playful responses" | 00:55 |
| LjL | (in all fairness the topic doesn't tell them they *can't* ask things that resemble support questions, but everyone seems to have interpreted it that way) | 00:56 |
| tsimpson | I think, as the topic says, people should use common sense. if something is obviously better off asked in #ubuntu, you should direct them there | 00:57 |
| LjL | agreed. well then i'll use my common sense of, when someone says "no support here! go to #ubuntu and begone" to point out that that's not the case ;) | 00:58 |
| LjL | because seriously it's like a bandwagon. there are questions that #ubuntu 99.99% WON'T answer, and that users who were lucky enough to find #ubuntu-offtopic would find an answer for there | 00:59 |
| LjL | but now, every time the "no support" thing is spelled out more vehemently by whoever is trying to enforce it | 00:59 |
| LjL | i don't call that common sense | 01:00 |
| tsimpson | that policy isn't "no support in #ubuntu-offtopic", it just says that if the conversation it turning into a support discussion, you should probably move it to one of the support channels | 01:01 |
| tsimpson | I think that leaves room for interpretation and our beloved common sense | 01:02 |
| LjL | tsimpson: yes, but what i'm saying is that most people (most ops included) seem to actually interpret it as an actual "no support in #ubuntu-offtopic" policy. i'm glad you confirm it's not, though. | 01:03 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (qwerty1234 appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY) | 01:27 |
| Corey | Why did we have idoru pulled out of #ubuntu again? | 01:30 |
| LjL | Corey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCCouncil/TeamReports/11/April | 01:31 |
| rww | 01:08 < NictraSavios> My full project is this. Take BT, restore it to a fully Functional desktop, Upgrade it to 10.10, then merge it into Linux Mint 11 | 02:11 |
| rww | It's like some sort of ridiculous amalgamation of unsupported! | 02:12 |
| Flannel | rww: 10.10 is supported still! | 02:12 |
| persia | What's "BT" in this context? | 02:12 |
| rww | Backtrack Linux | 02:13 |
| Flannel | Backtrack, I imagine | 02:13 |
| persia | Oh my. | 02:14 |
| rww | and now a Crunchbang user wandered in! (but appears to be okay with leaving, unlike Mr Savios, who is in my mental list of problem users for some reason anyway) | 02:15 |
| hypatia | rww: that sounds like the worst idea ever | 02:15 |
| rww | oh, and the BT+Mint+whatever user is running as root. | 02:15 |
| hypatia | the BT one | 02:15 |
| hypatia | haha of course, BT is always root | 02:15 |
| hypatia | it's also.... not intended as a regular-use desktop, at all | 02:16 |
| rww | Indeed. bazhang used to point this out to people who use it as such, but nobody listens ;( | 02:17 |
| rww | !away > necromancer`zzz | 02:17 |
| * hypatia sighs | 02:17 | |
| rww | hrm, I don't see anything in bantracker about that user. maybe I'm getting them mixed up with someone else. | 02:19 |
| rww | hypatia: the most facepalmy part of the whole root thing is that #backtrack-linux is +b *!*root*@* | 02:20 |
| rww | oh for crying out loud, they came back with an attitude. | 02:30 |
| rww | @random ban quiet icecream | 02:30 |
| ubottu | quiet | 02:31 |
| rww | thanks ubottu, you're a trooper | 02:31 |
| hypatia | rww: the #backtrack-linux thing is hilarious | 02:32 |
| * rww notes comment on BT #40373 | 02:35 | |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (ekwqewhjk appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY) | 02:38 |
| * rww considers setting #ubuntu +r for a day or so | 02:39 | |
| Flannel | rww: subtract five from that! | 02:41 |
| Jordan_U | Set +r for negative 4 days? | 02:56 |
| Flannel | Jordan_U: 'r' - 5 = 'm' | 03:40 |
| Jordan_U | Flannel: You and your non type safe languages. | 03:41 |
| ubottu | FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 05:53 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 05:53 |
| ubottu | FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 05:53 |
| rww | LjL: ^ well I guess that fixes some of the banforwards I incorrectly removed >.> | 05:54 |
| Tm_T | good morning | 05:57 |
| rww | mornin' | 05:58 |
| rww | !away > mactimes_afk | 06:11 |
| Jordan_U | Could someone help ease tentions in #ubuntu-offtopic? | 07:41 |
| Jordan_U | Well, that was easier than I expected it to be :) | 07:45 |
| popey | heh | 07:47 |
| Jordan_U | Or not... | 07:51 |
| Jordan_U | I suspect that PseudoGou may be a troll. | 08:11 |
| Flannel | They're out of -ot | 08:11 |
| Flannel | Oh, and in #u | 08:11 |
| Jordan_U | I think they're trying to start a confrontation with me. | 08:11 |
| Jordan_U | And I clearly am too tired to even keep nicks straight right now. I've confused viks and virion more than five times already :( | 08:12 |
| ikonia | hello necreo | 12:51 |
| LjL | necreo: anything you need? | 12:58 |
| * arvut Noisa - Consience <-youtube it! =) bye! | 15:07 | |
| jpds | No. | 15:29 |
| IdleOne | No? | 15:30 |
| soren | jpds: Why so negative? | 15:31 |
| highvoltage | omg soren is a bot. | 15:32 |
| soren | "is a bot" is not a known command. | 15:32 |
| IdleOne | /msg soren Hello | 15:33 |
| IdleOne | /msg soren password iownyou | 15:33 |
| jpds | IdleOne: http://i.imgur.com/Ov5XP.png | 15:35 |
| IdleOne | he looks sad | 15:35 |
| IdleOne | think he needs a hug | 15:35 |
| soren | jpds: heh :) | 15:35 |
| sdhasu | hey there pretty mama | 16:26 |
| sdhasu | am i as studly as the statue of david? | 16:26 |
| IdleOne | you're back | 16:27 |
| IdleOne | sdhasu: is this annoying behaviour going to continue indefinitely? | 16:27 |
| sdhasu | answer me | 16:27 |
| sdhasu | am i as studly as the statue of david or what? | 16:27 |
| IdleOne | I'll take that as a yes. | 16:28 |
| sdhasu | u look like the girl that could use 2 boyfriends? | 16:28 |
| * genii-around makes more coffee | 18:32 | |
| Corey | Lovely. | 18:50 |
| Pici | bleh | 18:51 |
| rww | they're back. | 18:53 |
| IdleOne | let them come clarify the crappy attitude in here. | 18:55 |
| highvoltage | rww: poltergeist reference there? :) | 18:56 |
| rww | highvoltage: no, actually ;P | 19:07 |
| LjL | ptime had just come from ##linux after being banned there for trolling | 19:10 |
| rww | also #freenode | 19:10 |
| Pici | Yeah, also shares the same host as the bunch of bots that joined freenode. | 19:11 |
| LjL | ah | 19:11 |
| Corey | Was 11.04 a hairier release than most? | 19:32 |
| IdleOne | yes | 19:32 |
| ikonia | scrappy release | 19:33 |
| IdleOne | The barber sold the shop to a landscaper... | 19:33 |
| IdleOne | but keep in mind that non-lts are testbeds IMHO of course | 19:34 |
| Corey | IdleOne: Granted, but that's a bit harder to sell to the average desktop user. :-) | 19:34 |
| Corey | The Lucid LTS has been irritating me. | 19:34 |
| IdleOne | isn't it though | 19:34 |
| Pici | Unity went over about a poorly as many of us had suspected. | 19:35 |
| Corey | I've tripped over a few bugs marked WONTFIX. | 19:36 |
| Corey | They all more or less come back to upstart. :-/ | 19:37 |
| ikonia | Corey: the whole bug process with ubuntu is a massive failure | 19:39 |
| Pici | Well, I wouldn't go that far, but its rather messy. | 19:40 |
| ikonia | every bug is "need more info" "won't fix" or "fixed in next release" | 19:40 |
| maco | we were at 96,600-something bugs yesterday. wonder how many today! | 19:40 |
| Corey | Three releases in a row of having dist-upgrade eat my netbook, I threw Debian onto the stupid thing and forgot about it. | 19:40 |
| ikonia | the bug squad appear to be finding reasons to pass it back to the user | 19:40 |
| Pici | dist-upgrade isn't the right way to upgrade... | 19:40 |
| ikonia | and the whole idea of no package maintainers isn't working | 19:40 |
| maco | ikonia: nuh uh! there are 57,000 that still havent gotten out of New state! | 19:41 |
| ikonia | maco: please excuse my numbers being off | 19:41 |
| Corey | Pici: My apologies. Clicking the giant "NEW DISTRO, CLICK HERE TO INSTALL IT" button in the GUI. | 19:42 |
| Pici | Corey: Okay :). Sorry, the dist-upgrade thing is one of my pet peeves. | 19:42 |
| maco | is that still update-manager? | 19:42 |
| ikonia | Pici: and mine | 19:42 |
| maco | or did it gert moved to somewhere in USC? | 19:42 |
| IdleOne | USC doesn't do updates | 19:43 |
| IdleOne | that I know of | 19:43 |
| maco | ok. i thought UM was going away at some point just like everything else | 19:43 |
| IdleOne | I rarely use it though | 19:43 |
| Pici | It was a bit weird with me when I tried to install a .deb package that I got externally. | 19:43 |
| IdleOne | I find it slow and cumbersome | 19:43 |
| ikonia | Pici: I've found it with rsa signed packages a little slugish | 19:44 |
| ikonia | dsa signed ones....no problem | 19:44 |
| LjL | Pici: tbh dist-upgrade worked fine for me the times i tried it (or rather, it told me what was wrong and i could fix it just fine), while do-release-upgrade was often a failure | 20:27 |
| LjL | of course you do need to know what you're doing a bit, if you have non-standard repos enabled | 20:28 |
| rww | I'm missing scrollback, aren't I. | 20:28 |
| LjL | rww: http://pastebin.com/TPR49HQE | 20:29 |
| rww | I maintain that it is ridiculous that Debian does dist-upgrade and it works fine and everyone is happy, and Ubuntu comes along and needs a silly python script to do upgrades. | 20:30 |
| rww | !away > Soup|away | 20:31 |
| LjL | ^ | 20:36 |
| LjL | my Debian install is like 10 years old, i can't honestly said dist-upgrade *never* gave me problems, but apparently they were all solvable | 20:37 |
| highvoltage | rww: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH-B6A04iK0 (that's what "they're back" usually reminds me of :p) | 20:46 |
| LjL | !petition is <reply> We appreciate your effort to bring issues you find important to attention; however, this channel's policy is to keep it strictly about Ubuntu technical support. You may try #ubuntu-offtopic instead (but try at least to partecipate in any conversation that ensues), or other venues. | 20:49 |
| ubottu | I'll remember that, LjL | 20:49 |
| genii-around | I wonder if the petition to have Shockwave for Linux ever amounted to anything. | 20:52 |
| Tm_T | ubottu: !petition s/partecipate/participate/ | 20:54 |
| Tm_T | hmh, I fail | 20:54 |
| oCean | !petition is s/partecipate/participate/ | 20:55 |
| ubottu | But petition already means something else! | 20:55 |
| oCean | me too | 20:55 |
| rww | !petition =~ s/partecipate/participate/ | 20:55 |
| ubottu | I'll remember that rww | 20:55 |
| oCean | ah | 20:55 |
| rww | ::trollface:: | 20:55 |
| oCean | I'll remember that rww | 20:56 |
| rww | I'm very memorable. | 20:56 |
| LjL | oh really it's participate? i'd never have imagined. | 20:58 |
| Corey | !pwreset is <reply> Forgot your password? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword | 21:01 |
| ubottu | I'll remember that, Corey | 21:01 |
| Corey | !password was too general. | 21:01 |
| ubottu | Corey: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 21:01 |
| Corey | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 21:01 |
| rww | Error: I am only LjL, please don't think I'm intelligant :) | 21:03 |
| Pici | We still have !password though | 21:03 |
| LjL | !password | 21:04 |
| ubottu | Forgot your password? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword What's the root password? See !sudo. Don't see *** in password prompts? That's normal. Sudo doesn't ask for your password? It remembers you for several minutes. Please use strong passwords, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/StrongPasswords | 21:04 |
| LjL | hmm | 21:05 |
| LjL | i'd keep both | 21:05 |
| genii-around | Why "whats the root password? See !sudo" instead of "see !root" ? | 21:05 |
| LjL | those two are also a fair bit redundant tbh | 21:06 |
| Pici | !root | 21:08 |
| ubottu | Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo | 21:08 |
| Pici | !sudo | 21:08 |
| ubottu | sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo | 21:08 |
| Corey | LjL: They are a bit, but !password is a catchall, and pwreset is specific. | 21:38 |
| LjL | that's why i said keep both. i was talking about sudo and root now though | 21:38 |
| Corey | Ah. | 21:39 |
| Corey | Tm_T: But I needed his patches! | 21:40 |
| Tm_T | Corey: I wanted the patches for only me | 21:40 |
| rww | I just had another bad rww idea. | 22:17 |
| rww | Take the "5 a day" bug concept, apply it to channel bans. Review 5 random bans from the banlist per day. | 22:17 |
| Pici | oh dear | 22:18 |
| rww | which in my case means ./printdb.pl | grep -vi floodbot | shuf | head -n 5 | 22:18 |
| IdleOne | shuf? | 22:19 |
| rww | yes | 22:19 |
| IdleOne | oh, it is what i thought | 22:19 |
| Pici | its in coreutils | 22:19 |
| IdleOne | go on.. | 22:20 |
| Pici | and you should have it installed already | 22:20 |
| rww | The author was my professor once :( | 22:20 |
| Pici | Paul Eggert? | 22:20 |
| IdleOne | I had just never seen that command before | 22:20 |
| rww | yup | 22:20 |
| Pici | Theres a bunch of neat stuff hidden in coreutils | 22:21 |
| rww | Pici: you know, now that I think about it: banlist pruning is good, handling other ops' bans is good, why is my bad idea bad :( | 22:25 |
| Pici | The nick 'Younder' sounds familiar for some reason. | 22:30 |
| rww | sounds like sounder, shut it down! | 22:30 |
| Pici | :D | 22:31 |
| LjL | sounds like i want to ban him already | 22:31 |
| rww | also, you banned them in 2010 for rm -rf | 22:31 |
| Pici | I think the 'racist' remarks in -ot probably should stop | 22:40 |
| * rww puts away the animated .gifs | 22:41 | |
| Pici | rww: If that is a reaction to my 'oh dear' about your idea above, I was just joking. | 23:00 |
| rww | it wasn't ;P | 23:01 |
| Pici | rww: er, okay then. | 23:01 |
| rww | I had a worse idea to complement the above idea, though | 23:01 |
| rww | Randomly pick 10 bans per day, put them on a site and only give the link to ops, have ops vote on whether to remove them or not :3 | 23:02 |
| IdleOne | like a game? | 23:03 |
| Pici | If only we could get that integrated into the trivia bot... or the wolfbot for those other people. | 23:04 |
| LjL | .unban fujisan | 23:04 |
| IdleOne | can we make side bets on who will reset the ban also? | 23:04 |
| rww | IdleOne: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. | 23:08 |
| IdleOne | I beg to differ, votes can be made for which -b would most annoy $op | 23:09 |
| IdleOne | and then we can all sit back and watch $op loose his/her mind | 23:09 |
| IdleOne | wait | 23:09 |
| IdleOne | bad idea | 23:09 |
| mneptok | i'm trying to loose my mind, but trepanning yourself is easier said than done. | 23:10 |
| persia | You just need a good head clamp. | 23:16 |
| mneptok | persia: i will not ask you again. please stop channeling my wife. | 23:41 |
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