[00:41] <hypatia> hehe i'm not sure that was the intended effect
[00:50] <elky> Looking at the context, it was poorly worded but in response to someone pretty much abusing the existance of -offtopic as an alternative support channel.
[00:55] <LjL> i wonder though what was wrong with the previous unwritten policy of just telling them "look, you should probably try asking that question in #ubuntu, asking here is likely to get no responses or playful responses"
[00:56] <LjL> (in all fairness the topic doesn't tell them they *can't* ask things that resemble support questions, but everyone seems to have interpreted it that way)
[00:57] <tsimpson> I think, as the topic says, people should use common sense. if something is obviously better off asked in #ubuntu, you should direct them there
[00:58] <LjL> agreed. well then i'll use my common sense of, when someone says "no support here! go to #ubuntu and begone" to point out that that's not the case ;)
[00:59] <LjL> because seriously it's like a bandwagon. there are questions that #ubuntu 99.99% WON'T answer, and that users who were lucky enough to find #ubuntu-offtopic would find an answer for there
[00:59] <LjL> but now, every time the "no support" thing is spelled out more vehemently by whoever is trying to enforce it
[01:00] <LjL> i don't call that common sense
[01:01] <tsimpson> that policy isn't "no support in #ubuntu-offtopic", it just says that if the conversation it turning into a support discussion, you should probably move it to one of the support channels
[01:02] <tsimpson> I think that leaves room for interpretation and our beloved common sense
[01:03] <LjL> tsimpson: yes, but what i'm saying is that most people (most ops included) seem to actually interpret it as an actual "no support in #ubuntu-offtopic" policy. i'm glad you confirm it's not, though.
[01:30] <Corey> Why did we have idoru pulled out of #ubuntu again?
[01:31] <LjL> Corey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCCouncil/TeamReports/11/April
[02:11] <rww> 01:08 < NictraSavios> My full project is this. Take BT, restore it to a fully Functional desktop, Upgrade it to 10.10, then merge it into Linux Mint 11
[02:12] <rww> It's like some sort of ridiculous amalgamation of unsupported!
[02:12] <Flannel> rww: 10.10 is supported still!
[02:12] <persia> What's "BT" in this context?
[02:13] <rww> Backtrack Linux
[02:13] <Flannel> Backtrack, I imagine
[02:14] <persia> Oh my.
[02:15] <rww> and now a Crunchbang user wandered in! (but appears to be okay with leaving, unlike Mr Savios, who is in my mental list of problem users for some reason anyway)
[02:15] <hypatia> rww: that sounds like the worst idea ever
[02:15] <rww> oh, and the BT+Mint+whatever user is running as root.
[02:15] <hypatia> the BT one
[02:15] <hypatia> haha of course, BT is always root
[02:16] <hypatia> it's also.... not intended as a regular-use desktop, at all
[02:17] <rww> Indeed. bazhang used to point this out to people who use it as such, but nobody listens ;(
[02:17] <rww> !away > necromancer`zzz
[02:17]  * hypatia sighs
[02:19] <rww> hrm, I don't see anything in bantracker about that user. maybe I'm getting them mixed up with someone else.
[02:20] <rww> hypatia: the most facepalmy part of the whole root thing is that #backtrack-linux is +b *!*root*@*
[02:30] <rww> oh for crying out loud, they came back with an attitude.
[02:30] <rww> @random ban quiet icecream
[02:31] <rww> thanks ubottu, you're a trooper
[02:32] <hypatia> rww: the #backtrack-linux thing is hilarious
[02:35]  * rww notes comment on BT #40373
[02:39]  * rww considers setting #ubuntu +r for a day or so
[02:41] <Flannel> rww: subtract five from that!
[02:56] <Jordan_U> Set +r for negative 4 days?
[03:40] <Flannel> Jordan_U: 'r' - 5 = 'm'
[03:41] <Jordan_U> Flannel: You and your non type safe languages.
[05:54] <rww> LjL: ^ well I guess that fixes some of the banforwards I incorrectly removed >.>
[05:57] <Tm_T> good morning
[05:58] <rww> mornin'
[06:11] <rww> !away > mactimes_afk
[07:41] <Jordan_U> Could someone help ease tentions in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[07:45] <Jordan_U> Well, that was easier than I expected it to be :)
[07:47] <popey> heh
[07:51] <Jordan_U> Or not...
[08:11] <Jordan_U> I suspect that PseudoGou may be a troll.
[08:11] <Flannel> They're out of -ot
[08:11] <Flannel> Oh, and in #u
[08:11] <Jordan_U> I think they're trying to start a confrontation with me.
[08:12] <Jordan_U> And I clearly am too tired to even keep nicks straight right now. I've confused viks and virion more than five times already :(
[12:51] <ikonia> hello necreo
[12:58] <LjL> necreo: anything you need?
[15:07]  * arvut Noisa - Consience <-youtube it! =) bye!
[15:29] <jpds> No.
[15:30] <IdleOne> No?
[15:31] <soren> jpds: Why so negative?
[15:32] <highvoltage> omg soren is a bot.
[15:32] <soren> "is a bot" is not a known command.
[15:33] <IdleOne> /msg soren Hello
[15:33] <IdleOne> /msg soren password iownyou
[15:35] <jpds> IdleOne: http://i.imgur.com/Ov5XP.png
[15:35] <IdleOne> he looks sad
[15:35] <IdleOne> think he needs a hug
[15:35] <soren> jpds: heh :)
[16:26] <sdhasu> hey there pretty mama
[16:26] <sdhasu> am i as studly as the statue of david?
[16:27] <IdleOne> you're back
[16:27] <IdleOne> sdhasu: is this annoying behaviour going to continue indefinitely?
[16:27] <sdhasu> answer me
[16:27] <sdhasu> am i as studly as the statue of david or what?
[16:28] <IdleOne> I'll take that as a yes.
[16:28] <sdhasu> u look like the girl that could use 2 boyfriends?
[18:32]  * genii-around makes more coffee
[18:50] <Corey> Lovely.
[18:51] <Pici> bleh
[18:53] <rww> they're back.
[18:55] <IdleOne> let them come clarify the crappy attitude in here.
[18:56] <highvoltage> rww: poltergeist reference there? :)
[19:07] <rww> highvoltage: no, actually ;P
[19:10] <LjL> ptime had just come from ##linux after being banned there for trolling
[19:10] <rww> also #freenode
[19:11] <Pici> Yeah, also shares the same host as the bunch of bots that joined freenode.
[19:11] <LjL> ah
[19:32] <Corey> Was 11.04 a hairier release than most?
[19:32] <IdleOne> yes
[19:33] <ikonia> scrappy release
[19:33] <IdleOne> The barber sold the shop to a landscaper...
[19:34] <IdleOne> but keep in mind that non-lts are testbeds IMHO of course
[19:34] <Corey> IdleOne: Granted, but that's a bit harder to sell to the average desktop user. :-)
[19:34] <Corey> The Lucid LTS has been irritating me.
[19:34] <IdleOne> isn't it though
[19:35] <Pici> Unity went over about a poorly as many of us had suspected.
[19:36] <Corey> I've tripped over a few bugs marked WONTFIX.
[19:37] <Corey> They all more or less come back to upstart. :-/
[19:39] <ikonia> Corey: the whole bug process with ubuntu is a massive failure
[19:40] <Pici> Well, I wouldn't go that far, but its rather messy.
[19:40] <ikonia> every bug is "need more info" "won't fix" or "fixed in next release"
[19:40] <maco> we were at 96,600-something bugs yesterday. wonder how many today!
[19:40] <Corey> Three releases in a row of having dist-upgrade eat my netbook, I threw Debian onto the stupid thing and forgot about it.
[19:40] <ikonia> the bug squad appear to be finding reasons to pass it back to the user
[19:40] <Pici> dist-upgrade isn't the right way to upgrade...
[19:40] <ikonia> and the whole idea of no package maintainers isn't working
[19:41] <maco> ikonia: nuh uh! there are 57,000 that still havent gotten out of New state!
[19:41] <ikonia> maco: please excuse my numbers being off
[19:42] <Corey> Pici: My apologies.  Clicking the giant "NEW DISTRO, CLICK HERE TO INSTALL IT" button in the GUI.
[19:42] <Pici> Corey: Okay :).  Sorry, the dist-upgrade thing is one of my pet peeves.
[19:42] <maco> is that still update-manager?
[19:42] <ikonia> Pici: and mine
[19:42] <maco> or did it gert moved to somewhere in USC?
[19:43] <IdleOne> USC doesn't do updates
[19:43] <IdleOne> that I know of
[19:43] <maco> ok. i thought UM was going away at some point just like everything else
[19:43] <IdleOne> I rarely use it though
[19:43] <Pici> It was a bit weird with me when I tried to install a .deb package that I got externally.
[19:43] <IdleOne> I find it slow and cumbersome
[19:44] <ikonia> Pici: I've found it with rsa signed packages a little slugish
[19:44] <ikonia> dsa signed ones....no problem
[20:27] <LjL> Pici: tbh dist-upgrade worked fine for me the times i tried it (or rather, it told me what was wrong and i could fix it just fine), while do-release-upgrade was often a failure
[20:28] <LjL> of course you do need to know what you're doing a bit, if you have non-standard repos enabled
[20:28] <rww> I'm missing scrollback, aren't I.
[20:29] <LjL> rww: http://pastebin.com/TPR49HQE
[20:30] <rww> I maintain that it is ridiculous that Debian does dist-upgrade and it works fine and everyone is happy, and Ubuntu comes along and needs a silly python script to do upgrades.
[20:31] <rww> !away > Soup|away
[20:36] <LjL> ^
[20:37] <LjL> my Debian install is like 10 years old, i can't honestly said dist-upgrade *never* gave me problems, but apparently they were all solvable
[20:46] <highvoltage> rww: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH-B6A04iK0 (that's what "they're back" usually reminds me of :p)
[20:49] <LjL> !petition is <reply> We appreciate your effort to bring issues you find important to attention; however, this channel's policy is to keep it strictly about Ubuntu technical support. You may try #ubuntu-offtopic instead (but try at least to partecipate in any conversation that ensues), or other venues.
[20:52] <genii-around> I wonder if the petition to have Shockwave for Linux ever amounted to anything.
[20:54] <Tm_T> ubottu: !petition s/partecipate/participate/
[20:54] <Tm_T> hmh, I fail
[20:55] <oCean> !petition is s/partecipate/participate/
[20:55] <oCean> me too
[20:55] <rww> !petition =~ s/partecipate/participate/
[20:55] <oCean> ah
[20:55] <rww> ::trollface::
[20:56] <oCean> I'll remember that rww
[20:56] <rww> I'm very memorable.
[20:58] <LjL> oh really it's participate? i'd never have imagined.
[21:01] <Corey> !pwreset is <reply> Forgot your password? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword
[21:01] <Corey> !password was too general.
[21:01] <Corey> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[21:03] <rww> Error: I am only LjL, please don't think I'm intelligant :)
[21:03] <Pici> We still have !password though
[21:04] <LjL> !password
[21:05] <LjL> hmm
[21:05] <LjL> i'd keep both
[21:05] <genii-around> Why "whats the root password? See !sudo" instead of "see !root" ?
[21:06] <LjL> those two are also a fair bit redundant tbh
[21:08] <Pici> !root
[21:08] <Pici> !sudo
[21:38] <Corey> LjL: They are a bit, but !password is a catchall, and pwreset is specific.
[21:38] <LjL> that's why i said keep both. i was talking about sudo and root now though
[21:39] <Corey> Ah.
[21:40] <Corey> Tm_T: But I needed his patches!
[21:40] <Tm_T> Corey: I wanted the patches for only me
[22:17] <rww> I just had another bad rww idea.
[22:17] <rww> Take the "5 a day" bug concept, apply it to channel bans. Review 5 random bans from the banlist per day.
[22:18] <Pici> oh dear
[22:18] <rww> which in my case means ./printdb.pl | grep -vi floodbot | shuf | head -n 5
[22:19] <IdleOne> shuf?
[22:19] <rww> yes
[22:19] <IdleOne> oh, it is what i thought
[22:19] <Pici> its in coreutils
[22:20] <IdleOne> go on..
[22:20] <Pici> and you should have it installed already
[22:20] <rww> The author was my professor once :(
[22:20] <Pici> Paul Eggert?
[22:20] <IdleOne> I had just never seen that command before
[22:20] <rww> yup
[22:21] <Pici> Theres a bunch of neat stuff hidden in coreutils
[22:25] <rww> Pici: you know, now that I think about it: banlist pruning is good, handling other ops' bans is good, why is my bad idea bad :(
[22:30] <Pici> The nick 'Younder' sounds familiar for some reason.
[22:30] <rww> sounds like sounder, shut it down!
[22:31] <Pici> :D
[22:31] <LjL> sounds like i want to ban him already
[22:31] <rww> also, you banned them in 2010 for rm -rf
[22:40] <Pici> I think the 'racist' remarks in -ot probably should stop
[22:41]  * rww puts away the animated .gifs
[23:00] <Pici> rww: If that is a reaction to my 'oh dear' about your idea above, I was just joking.
[23:01] <rww> it wasn't ;P
[23:01] <Pici> rww: er, okay then.
[23:01] <rww> I had a worse idea to complement the above idea, though
[23:02] <rww> Randomly pick 10 bans per day, put them on a site and only give the link to ops, have ops vote on whether to remove them or not :3
[23:03] <IdleOne> like a game?
[23:04] <Pici> If only we could get that integrated into the trivia bot... or the wolfbot for those other people.
[23:04] <LjL> .unban fujisan
[23:04] <IdleOne> can we make side bets on who will reset the ban also?
[23:08] <rww> IdleOne: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
[23:09] <IdleOne> I beg to differ, votes can be made for which -b would most annoy $op
[23:09] <IdleOne> and then we can all sit back and watch $op loose his/her mind
[23:09] <IdleOne> wait
[23:09] <IdleOne> bad idea
[23:10] <mneptok> i'm trying to loose my mind, but trepanning yourself is easier said than done.
[23:16] <persia> You just need a good head clamp.
[23:41] <mneptok> persia: i will not ask you again. please stop channeling my wife.