[06:06] <kbmonkey> more mense
[06:14] <superfly> morning kbmonkey
[06:15] <kbmonkey> hello superfly!
[06:27]  * nlsthzn waves
[06:36]  * kbmonkey waves goodbye
[06:36]  * kbmonkey waves goodbye
[06:37] <kbmonkey> have a good day all =D
[07:40] <sakhi> morning
[07:41]  * nlsthzn waves
[07:42] <superfly> yo
[07:57] <sakhi> http://www.news24.com/SciTech/News/Germans-transfer-data-at-26Tbs-20110523
[08:02] <Symmetria> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/20438-Fastest-broadband-networks-South-Africa.html
[08:03] <Symmetria> HAHAHA we win!
[08:05] <superfly> http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/336922-Fastest-Internet-networks-in-South-Africa?p=6177524&viewfull=1#post6177524
[08:06] <Symmetria> LOL 
[08:07] <sakhi> :)
[08:50] <Kilos> morning superfly  and all ya others
[08:51] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[08:51]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:55] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[08:55] <superfly> hiya Kilos
[08:55] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[08:55] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[11:55] <Wolfeyes> Maaz: coffee on
[11:55]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[11:59] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Wolfeyes!
[12:08] <superfly> hi Wolfeyes
[12:10] <Wolfeyes> it be me superfly tried the sudo grub-update but still no maverick showing
[12:10] <Wolfeyes> but quassel looks much like xchat
[12:11] <Wolfeyes> now i gott go look the link nlsthzn send but need to do it via stick cause my modem in here
[12:12] <nlsthzn> Wolfeyes: it was just a lot of info on grub 2... not a quick fix I fear... and welcome to the big K :)
[12:12]  * nlsthzn uninstalled quassel and installled Konversation :p
[12:13] <Wolfeyes> hehe. you just like playing nlsthzn
[12:13] <Wolfeyes> have you looked at xchat
[12:14] <superfly> Wolfeyes: type in "sudo os-prober" and tell me if it shows maverick
[12:14] <nlsthzn> :p hey, I have the present install since yetserday... AFAIK xchat uses gtk so I don't want to use it on K... feels dirty (have to use firefox... :p)
[12:15] <superfly> nlsthzn: use Quassel for IRC
[12:15] <nlsthzn> Konversation is solid for IRC
[12:15] <superfly> ah, ok
[12:15] <superfly> it is
[12:16] <nlsthzn> :)
[12:16] <superfly> I used to use that before switching to Quassel
[12:16] <nlsthzn> got some stuff to watch :p bbl
[12:17] <Wolfeyes> sudo: os-probe: command not found
[12:17] <superfly> ag, os-prober
[12:17] <superfly> use your tab-completion!
[12:17] <Wolfeyes> lol ok i try that
[12:19] <Wolfeyes> nope it only sees windows
[12:21] <Wolfeyes> typed it out. dunno what to tab complete on
[12:21] <Wolfeyes> it be me not the kid here
[12:22] <superfly> if you type in "os-pr" and press tab, it completes to "os-prober"
[12:22] <superfly> Wolfeyes: yep, I know
[12:23] <superfly> Wolfeyes: apparently some folks had success but running fsck on the other hard drive
[12:23] <Wolfeyes> only one 500g sata with sata adapter
[12:25] <Wolfeyes> i move modem back to my pc
[12:27] <superfly> i.e. if you installed Natty on /dev/sdc1 and you installed maverick on /dev/sdb1, then you run sudo fsck /dev/sdb1
[12:33] <Kilos> when i install kubuntu it gonna take a while to get used to it
[12:33] <Kilos> quassel looks good
[12:36] <Kilos> just dont understand how ians grub sees xp and natty but not maverick
[12:36] <Kilos> i go look that link now
[12:45] <Kilos> that kinda involved for me.
[12:45] <Kilos> what will happen if i boot from maverick cd and run aptitude install grub2
[12:46] <Kilos> will that crash natty and still not see maverick
[12:47] <superfly> Kilos: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10233804&postcount=8
[12:48] <Kilos> ty superfly  i will go see
[12:51] <Kilos> is there a way i can see what partition maverick is in because i must run 
[12:51] <Kilos> sudo fsck /dev/xxxx
[13:12] <superfly> Kilos: type in "mount" and you should see "/dev/xxxx on / type ext4" somewhere... that's your natty drive
[13:13] <Kilos> k
[13:16] <Kilos> nope. its on sda2 or sda 3 or sda4 i think but they dont show in mount
[13:18] <Kilos> see a /dev/sda7 on /boot type ext4
[13:22] <Kilos> and /dev/sda5 on / type ext4
[13:33] <superfly> Kilos: do you see a "type ntfs" ?
[13:33] <superfly> or a type "vfat" ?
[13:36] <Kilos> nope i will try get it to a stick and paste it from here
[13:39] <Kilos> i cant even make a file on desktop sorry. this might take a while
[13:39] <Kilos> gnome way is right click create folder or file
[13:40] <Kilos> lots to learn
[13:40] <superfly> Kilos: open your home directory
[13:41] <superfly> Kilos: I think there's a folder icon next to your menu icon?
[13:50] <Kilos> eish now i even lost the bottom panel that kept hiding
[13:50] <Kilos> maybe i wait till ian gets done with his kombi
[13:50] <Kilos> sorry superfly 
[13:50] <Kilos> head exploding here
[13:51] <Kilos> panel came back. yay
[13:53] <Kilos> yay again found more desktops
[13:53] <Kilos> yoohoo
[13:53] <Kilos> cant find the stick yet
[13:53] <Kilos> lol
[14:27] <superfly> Kilos: the stick?
[14:28] <Kilos> um
[14:28] <Kilos> er
[14:28] <Kilos> mass storage device
[14:28] <Kilos> flash disk
[14:28] <Kilos> memory stick
[14:28] <superfly> oh right
[14:28] <Kilos> daai ding man
[14:28] <Kilos> lol
[14:28] <superfly> I thought you were talking about something on your desktop!
[14:29] <Kilos> no. on ians i got the output of mount and wanted to paste it from here but cant find the stick to copy to
[14:31] <Kilos> with gnome it shows on destop but i dont know where to look for it on kubuntu
[14:34] <Kilos> yay i think i got it
[14:37] <Kilos> this is kinda like learning to walk again
[14:41] <Kilos> still doesnt open anywhere so i can copy the file to it then bring here to paste to bin
[14:42] <Kilos> maybe better if i move modem back to there and paste it in my channel
[14:43] <Kilos> that way i get some quassel practise too
[14:43] <Kilos> see you all from there
[15:11] <kbmonkey> arvie!
[15:12] <wolfeyes> lo kbmonkey
[15:17] <kbmonkey> can anybody recommend a MP3 player that runs Linux? I need to decide on one :)
[15:17] <wolfeyes> vlc plays everything
[15:18] <wolfeyes> even .amr sound
[15:18] <kbmonkey> I meant a portable MP# player soz :)
[15:18] <wolfeyes> oh sorry
[15:18] <wolfeyes> lol
[15:18] <kbmonkey> like I used Rockbox on my old 4G iPod but I dont want an apple branded one this time
[15:18] <wolfeyes> ive never even seen one
[15:20] <kbmonkey> ah okay then thx!
[15:21] <wolfeyes> must be someone else here that knows
[15:22] <kbmonkey> SanDisk apparently works well
[15:23] <kbmonkey> Having someone bring one in from ths US so just want to make sure.. err it works okay cos ye
[15:23] <wolfeyes> Maaz: google linux mp3 player
[15:23] <Maaz> wolfeyes: "Top 10 Linux MP3 Players » Lindesk" http://lindesk.com/2008/03/top-10-linux-mp3-players/ :: "Amarok | Rediscover music!" http://amarok.kde.org/ :: "Linux MP3 Player" http://www.linuxhotbox.com/mp3-player-linux.htm :: "mpg123, Fast MP3 Player for Linux and UNIX systems" http://www.mpg123.de/ :: "Using A Sandisk MP3 Player On A Linux Desktop | HowtoForge - Linux ..." http://www.howtoforge.com/sandisk_mp3_player_linux :: "How to Ch
[15:24] <wolfeyes> wow there are more than 10
[15:30] <kbmonkey> oooh the sandisk fuze+ looks purrrty
[15:30] <kbmonkey> Linux supported :)
[15:42] <froztbyte> the Sansa Fuze range is win
[15:57] <superfly> ^^ what he said
[15:57] <kbmonkey> Im won
[15:58] <kbmonkey> laters :)
[16:03] <mus000> hi ubuntu peeps
[16:03] <mus000> i need some help
[16:03] <mus000> I have ubuntu 11.04 running on my laptop
[16:03] <mus000> and I can no longer log in to any session
[16:03] <mus000> it just freezes up, showing a blank screen
[16:05] <mus000> you can see more details of my dilemma at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1766405
[16:08] <superfly> mus000: when you hit gdm, can you press ctrl+alt+f1 and get to a terminal?
[16:09] <mus000> superfly: yes
[16:09] <superfly> look to see if you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[16:09] <superfly> if you do, rename it and then restart
[16:09] <mus000> hmmm google says I won'y
[16:09] <mus000> brb
[16:10] <mus000> no xorg.conf
[16:10] <mus000> from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1766122 :
[16:10] <mus000> "X11 now autoconifgures itself and the Xorg.conf file is no longer used"
[16:20] <superfly> mus000: yes, but X11 will still read from it if it exists
[16:20] <superfly> mus000: what was the last thing you did before this started happening... it sounds like a package conflict or configuration issue
[16:21] <mus000> superfly: I can't remember. I think I was just typing in office
[16:22] <superfly> did you update your system?
[16:22] <superfly> anything that required sudo access?
[16:22] <superfly> not immediately before, but in the few hours before
[16:23] <mus000> superfly: nope, I just copied files to and from a flash
[16:24] <superfly> when did you last switch your computer on?
[16:24] <mus000> superfly: around 2-ish to copy some files to a flash for annelet
[16:24] <mus000> worked fine then
[16:24] <superfly> you must have done something to cause this
[16:24] <superfly> things don't just happen on their own... can you recall anything?
[16:25] <superfly> literally *anything*
[16:25] <mus000> superfly: I installed some software earlier this week
[16:26] <mus000> superfly: it was wine. I re-installed wine
[16:26] <superfly> mus000: do you have a ".unity" directory in your home directory?
[16:26] <superfly> try renaming that
[16:27] <mus000> superfly: will do
[16:27] <mus000> back in 2mins
[16:29] <mus000> superfly: how do I rename in a terminal?
[16:30] <Kerbero> mv oldname newname
[16:36] <mus000> superfly: no .unity directory
[16:37]  * superfly doesn't know Ubuntu from a bar of soap
[16:38] <mus000> superfly is still the best i know
[16:38] <superfly> mus000: on the command line, type in "sudo adduser <new username>"
[16:39] <superfly> then "sudo passwd <new username>"
[16:39] <superfly> then see if you can log in as that new user
[16:39] <mus000> will do
[16:39] <mus000> brb
[16:41] <mus000> superfly: same problem
[16:41] <superfly> so it's a system issue
[16:42] <mus000> i think so
[16:50] <superfly> mus000: what graphics card do you have?
[16:50] <mus000> superfly: some on-board ati thing
[16:50] <mus000> but I'm using the generic driver
[16:51] <superfly> I dunno, you'll need a Gnome/Unity expert
[16:52] <mus000> superfly: probably
[17:10] <Kilos> superfly, is the prob not because i made a boot sector in the seperate partition i made with natty
[17:10] <superfly> possibly
[17:10] <Kilos> um but windows is still on the first one too
[17:10]  * Kilos scratches head
[17:36] <Kilos> maybe i try lists and explain nicely what i have done.  might be someone done the same thing
[17:40] <kbmonkey> okay :)
[17:48] <Kilos> i dont like bugging the fly all the time
[17:48] <Kilos> he has already done lots for me
[17:50] <Kilos> lets have a cuppa
[17:51] <Kilos> Maaz, koffie asseblief
[17:51] <Maaz> Eish Kilos  Die engelse het tot ons boeretroos oorgeneem. Vra asseblief in engels.
[17:51] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:51]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:53] <superfly> bwahahahaha!
[17:53] <superfly> Kilos: you are hilarious
[17:54] <Kilos> why superfly 
[17:55] <superfly> Maaz: koffie asseblief
[17:55] <Maaz> Eish superfly  Die engelse het tot ons boeretroos oorgeneem. Vra asseblief in engels.
[17:55] <superfly> ^^
[17:55] <Kilos> Well, facts are facts
[17:55] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:56] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie man
[17:56] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[17:59] <nuvolari> hallo oom Kilos 
[17:59] <nuvolari> g'evening kbmonkey 
[17:59] <Kilos> naand nuvolari  hoe gaan dit daar
[18:00] <kbmonkey> lol @ Maaz! =D
[18:00] <kbmonkey> hello nuvolari 
[18:15] <nuvolari> gaan oraait dankie oom Kilos 
[19:31] <Kilos> lo kodez 
[19:31] <Kilos> you winning?
[19:32] <kodez> hi Kilos, how are you? i have not yet managed to install it but am expecting him to come back to me any time as he had promised yesterday
[19:34] <Kilos> i am fine ty. you havent installed what?
[19:35] <Kilos> oh your modem?
[19:35] <kodez> kilos,: do you know someone who is good in postgresql?
[19:35] <kodez> + php and javascript?
[19:36] <Kilos> no i dont. sorry but someone here will know
[19:36] <Kilos> if they can just getta break and/or stop lurking
[19:36] <Kilos> hehe
[19:37] <Kilos> last i remembered you were trying to get modem going
[19:38] <kodez> yes, i thought you were referring to installing the latest ubuntu and am still struggling with the modem. i have everything in place but am failing to understand why it's not working
[19:40] <kbmonkey> hi kodez. I did some php but yonks ago, no postgresql tho
[19:43] <kodez> hi kbmonkey: i need a way to do a digital clock with the seconds changing like in a wrist watch
[19:43] <Kilos> we have natty kubuntu installed and it saw a vodafone modem first time
[19:44] <Kilos> maverick couldnt see the modem at all
[19:45] <kbmonkey> personally I'd go for html5 canvas for drawing clocks. not all browsers have that tho
[19:46] <kbmonkey> a clock would be client side, so javascript. 
[19:47] <kodez> do you know how can i do it?
[19:48] <kodez> i'm more interested in the seconds part of the clock
[20:01] <superfly> kodez: I've seen examples on the net - do a bit of googling
[20:02] <kodez> thanks superfly, i had already managed to get a link from kbmonkey
[20:04] <kbmonkey> there's plenty tuts, just work through a few, you'l get a good idea from those
[21:14] <kodez> i am trying to get a terminal hardware to use, can anyone help about where i can buy them?
[21:15] <Kilos> night all.  sleep warm
[21:15] <kodez> noght kilos
[21:15] <kodez> night kilos
[21:19] <kbmonkey> don't know kodez. electronic hobby stores?
[21:20] <superfly> terminal hardware?
[21:21] <kodez> i want to use it for internet cafe, i am failing to get a shop that sells the hardware for terminal client
[21:21] <kodez> superfly: yes
[21:21] <kbmonkey> a dumb terminal
[21:22] <kodez> yes
[21:22] <superfly> you *might* find something like that at a PC supplier (rectron, axiz, etc)
[21:22] <kbmonkey> well thats just a thin client, a PC without a drive
[21:23] <kbmonkey> ie boot off USB/CD/MMC and login to a server. your shell can emulate terminal modes if you want those
[21:24] <kodez> i don't know the nearest rectron or axis around pretoria but will try searching or contact them
[21:25] <kodez> kbmonkey, how will i connect 15 monitors, mouse and keyboards in the set up you proposed?
[21:26] <kbmonkey> Would each client not connect to a controlling server via the network 
[21:27] <kodez> instead of buying 15 boxes, i want to use terminals that will connect to a server(s)
[21:27] <kodez> i mean 15 pc boxes
[21:27] <kbmonkey> a dumb terminal is usually a pc without any fixed disks, as it just runs a shell and you login to a server as if you were sitting at that server :)
[21:29] <kodez> kbmonkey: i agree, what i need is the small pc boxes that are custom built without hard drives that will connect to the server
[21:30] <kbmonkey> just a screen and keyboard pretty much eh.
[21:30] <kbmonkey> may not be feasible atm, but see this for interest: http://www.raspberrypi.org/
[21:31] <kbmonkey> it is pretty much a thin client 
[21:31] <kbmonkey> but not a commercial product you can buy just yet
[21:32] <kbmonkey> sorry didnt mean to throw in a useless link :p
[21:32] <kodez> no problem
[21:35] <kbmonkey> dell and hp have thin client ranges
[21:35] <kbmonkey> but I cant seem to find if any local stores stock
[21:36] <kbmonkey> they specialize in what you are asking :)
[21:47] <superfly> there are a number of shops that have thin clients... the checkers and pick n pay types - I wonder where they get them from
[21:50] <kbmonkey> sure you can order a bunch of customized boxes from rectron, may need an account with them to do so tho
[21:51] <kodez> i will try to check their contact details tomorrow and will take it from there
[21:51] <superfly> well, to order anything from rectron you'd need an account
[21:51] <kodez> does anyone know of a software to monitor an internet cafe?
[21:52] <kbmonkey> not off hand but sourceforge might be a good place to start
[21:55] <superfly> kodez: there was OutKafe a few years ago, but I don't think it was that great
[21:56] <superfly> there was something else I saw, but I can't remember the name... it was hosted on SF.net, so you'll probably find it
[21:56] <kodez> i failed to get outkafe
[22:00] <nlsthzn> night all
[22:01] <kodez> night nlsthzn
[22:02] <superfly> night folks
[22:03] <kodez> night superfly