[00:01] <ckontros> ScottL: I'm slowly but surely figuring out how to set things in XFCE. (hacking on xubuntu-settings) I hope to upload something in two weekends.
[00:52] <ckontros> PM if ya need me.
[01:48] <ScottL> another strange lockup :|
[06:29] <Kokito> howdy
[06:55] <holstein> jerry_l: o/
[06:55] <holstein> hey Kokito 
[06:55] <jerry_l> hello room i have to go to bed. sorry...
[06:55] <Kokito> good night jerry_l 
[06:55] <Kokito> hi holstein 
[06:56] <Kokito> will not be here long. they are about to kick me out of the the coffee shop :)
[06:56]  * holstein checking in on the mailing list
[06:56] <holstein> Kokito: lots of activity
[06:56] <holstein> i think thats good
[06:56] <Kokito> yep
[06:57] <Kokito> I'm liking it
[06:59] <Kokito> gotta go
[06:59] <Kokito> ciao!
[06:59] <holstein> Kokito: laterx
[13:01] <ScottL> just got done with the linux outlaws interview...i *think* it went well, didn't focus too much on unity which is good
[14:28] <astraljava> ScottL: Well done! :)
[16:10] <scott-work> hi Kokito :)
[16:10] <scott-work> i answered one of those emails and included your questions on the timeline wiki
[16:10] <Kokito> good morning scott-work 
[16:11] <Kokito> yes, thank you!
[16:11] <scott-work> Kokito: you are east coast US, correct?
[16:11] <Kokito> scott-work: I am in CA
[16:11] <scott-work> Kokito: i should have answered before, but there is so much going on that it's easy to move onto something new before completing the current task and then forget about it
[16:11] <scott-work> Kokito: so it really is morning for you :)
[16:12] <Kokito> no worries about the timing of the reply
[16:12] <Kokito> and, yes, it's morning here :)
[16:24] <scott-work> Kokito: the "blob" i was talking about was the banner being used for the new website
[16:24] <scott-work> do you have a link to your demo again...i'll look on the mailing list for it
[16:25] <Kokito> scott-work: the banner being the header where the logo is?
[16:25] <Kokito> http://myhaiku.org
[16:25] <scott-work> aye, all the orange, blue stuff up there
[16:26] <scott-work> granted, that does look MUCH better than the other stuff that we used to have
[16:27] <Kokito> that is very likely to change, but I want to see how the desktop theme turns out before I can tell to see if it will
[16:28] <Kokito> either way, I have a hard time visualizing a granite backgorund there
[16:29] <scott-work> Kokito: but i was wondering if we replaced "ubuntu studio    linux for digital creaters" and the image with a grey or green stone background with "ubuntu studio" etched into it, how it would look
[16:30] <scott-work> like the last image  http://imageshack.us/m/683/6924/ubuntustudiowallpaperdr.jpg
[16:30] <Kokito> the etching would look nice, but I don' think a stone surface would fit (regardless of the color)
[16:30] <scott-work> but with the words "ubuntu studio" etched into the stone
[16:30] <scott-work> maybe not "stone" but slate looking
[16:30] <Kokito> ok, I see wnat you mean now :)
[16:31] <Kokito> yeah, that's a possibility
[16:32] <Kokito> although I wanted to keep the existing dotted grid, as a way to subtly align with the Ubuntu official theme
[16:32] <Kokito> but this is something we can try
[16:33] <Kokito> I would like to wait for Izo's mockups before I make any moves, though
[16:35] <Kokito> bbl
[16:38] <scott-work> oh yeah, defintely wait...i was just throwing out an idea and hopefully it sparks someone else to make a brilliant suggestion or concept
[16:39]  * scott-work doesn't usually have brilliant ideas
[17:03]  * astraljava thinks scott-work has a sense of sarcasm at the very least...
[17:37] <scott-work> astraljava: lol, i do employ sarcasm from time to time
[17:37] <scott-work> holstein: you made a wiki page a few weeks ago, something that had /ubuntustudio/oneiric/*  as the link, do you remember what it was?
[17:37] <scott-work> i wanted to duplicate this structure and move some information using it
[17:40] <scott-work> someone had a good idea, i wonder if we couldn't disable pulse audio with a postinstall file
[17:53] <astraljava> scott-work: In general, there's pretty much anything that you can do in a postinstall file, as it's a script that is being run in root privileges. I guess the question is whether QA lets it slip past. But that's politics, then, and you'll do fine in that area. :D
[18:09] <scott-work> astraljava: i'm less worried about QA than i am about logistics and functionality
[18:09] <scott-work> i'll explain that a bit
[18:09] <scott-work> if you mean QA as in Ubuntu QA, then, yes, I am less worried about that because the changes we make will only affect our users and not the general user base for Ubuntu
[18:10] <scott-work> but if we did stop pulse audio we still need to make sure everything else works
[18:11] <scott-work> and some stuff might not...like skype which is currently built with only pulse audio support, you can't select jack like you used to
[18:12] <holstein> scott-work: im pretty sure is was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline/
[18:12] <scott-work> heh, i think you are right and i already knew about it :P
[18:12] <holstein> i started it, and you made it really nice with the table and all that
[18:12] <holstein> i remember throwing a couple of options out though at the time
[18:35] <scott-work> i'm not feeling well and going home now :/
[18:50] <astraljava> ScottL: My referring to QA was mostly the Power That Be, who review these sort of things. I'm fairly confident we can't cover all the scenarios with one script, which leads to finding out as many as possible during testing, and then documenting the failing ones in release notes or some tech docs, so that users _who read those_ won't be baffled.
[18:51] <astraljava> ScottL: Of course that means like 6% of the installers, so we'll have a lot of explaining to do if we release with such settings. But then that's what wiki is for, right?
[18:51] <astraljava> ;)
[18:51] <astraljava> ScottL: Also, hope you feel better soon!
[20:38] <saidinesh5> hmm........ finally got Ubuntu Studio (read: what use is the "College Work" partition after graduating....)
[20:38] <astraljava> I don't know... nostalgia?
[20:39] <saidinesh5> well i really can't notice (m)any changes from what i ve tried 2-3 years ago
[20:39] <saidinesh5> didn't the apps or anything change at all?
[20:40] <astraljava> I think most of the progress happens under the hood. But shouldn't ardour at least have progressed muchly?
[20:40] <astraljava> Visually, not much has changed.
[20:40] <saidinesh5> also i noticed that there is no real time kernel this time
[20:40] <astraljava> The theme is pretty much the same.
[20:41] <saidinesh5> back when i tried it, i remember screwing things up after installing nvidia drivers
[20:41] <astraljava> saidinesh5: That's because the -rt patchset isn't being implemented on all kernel revisions.
[20:41] <saidinesh5> ah that reminds me, compiz isn't working for me :-/
[20:41] <astraljava> I can't imagine you wanting to use compiz anyway for recording or the like.
[20:41] <astraljava> Why waste any cycles for that?
[20:42] <saidinesh5> astraljava: lol have been coming from KDE... but compiz anyway taxes the GPU, which would otherwise be sitting idle
[20:43] <saidinesh5> also if compiz is running it kinda gives the "Ah well i have the graphics card working too" feel :P
[20:44] <saidinesh5> but ya, my first over all impression is the thing is screaming for lots of polishing....... at least with the apps and there definitely is a need for a better launcher...
[20:44] <saidinesh5> is there some road map or soemthing 
[20:45] <saidinesh5> which would help me pick where to contribute?
[21:25] <astraljava> saidinesh5: Okay, cycles was a wrong term. Eating more resources woulda been better, but granted, at the moment I'm not very well educated how much more it would take.
[21:25] <astraljava> But in some cases, everything matters.
[21:26] <astraljava> saidinesh5: Currently I'm not so sure about this just started devel cycle. I believe the guys had one meeting in April, but nothing during May.
[21:27] <astraljava> I'd suggest sticking on the channel for staying up-to-date.
[21:39] <persia> astraljava, My concern is that it's really hard to distinguish Ubuntu Studio users from users of other flavours on a running system, for cases like "Upgrade from Vanilla".
[21:42] <saidinesh5> oh sorry was away (had to bid goodbye to friends)
[21:43] <saidinesh5> persia: ++
[22:53]  * ckontros waves
[23:02] <persia> evening ckontros
[23:04] <ckontros> Hi Emmet. It's been a bit. I was wondering if you felt any impact from all the quake/tsunami/reactor mess?
[23:05] <persia> Oh, heaps, although it's over now.  Although my house was a wreck, nobody was hurt, and there wasn't that much damage (and no structural damage).
[23:06] <persia> The most amusing bit about the reactor mess is that when I went to UDS everyone wondered how I could live with all the radiation, and were a bit shocked when I told them that the radiation they were experiencing at UDS was higher than that in Tokyo at the time.
[23:06] <ckontros> Oh wow. Sorry to hear. But good that it's over now. I have family in Okinawa but they are way far away from where things happened I gather.
[23:07] <persia> Oh, yeah, Okinawa is very far away.
[23:07] <ckontros> hahaha. :) We've had alot of news here 'bout how it compared to Chernobyl.
[23:08] <ckontros> Was another today about how the radiation is worse than thought since the rods melted.
[23:08] <persia> No comparison.  When you put a reactor in several layers of shields, you have a chance.  When you put it in a pit in the ground, you have a problem waiting to happen.
[23:09] <ckontros> Gotcha
[23:09] <persia> Yeah, radiation inside the shielding is way worse than expected, making it hard to deal with recovery.  Radiation levels outside the plant are well known, and (aside from very close), less than the background radiation in many cities around the globe.
[23:11] <ckontros> With the Chernobyl stories, they've talked again about what actually happens there. Its actually pretty neat. There's a wide zone that closed off but there's still folks that live inside it. Not at ground zero but still live with a higher level of rads that normal. Totally on their own. Was pretty cool.
[23:12] <persia> Yeah.  The stories from the Chernobyl exclusion zone are fairly interesting.
[23:13] <persia> It's not precisely "safe", but it's one of the few frontiers available these days.
[23:13] <ckontros> ScottL: We gotta talk about the seed work. As per the latest Xubuntu meeting they will not be using GTK3. I'd like you to get a bit involved with them. It would only make our efforts stronger.
[23:13] <ckontros> persia: Was also pretty neat what the rads are doing to nature.
[23:14] <ckontros> Weird trees. Odd birds. Freaky. :)
[23:16] <persia> Oh, very much so.  All kinds of oddities.  Did you see the picture set from the woman who did the biking tour a few years ago?
[23:17] <ckontros> persia: Oh yeah. That was great. I have that bookmarked somewhere.
[23:25]  * saidinesh5 waves back to ckontros