[00:14] <geoffrian> hello chaps
[02:38] <Unit193> I just wanted to pint this bug #784020 to https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg03803.html (If you read her comment, you will see what I'm talking about)
[02:40] <charlie-tca> It already installs in 3GB without modifying anything. 
[02:41] <charlie-tca> I have to try for 2GB yet, but that won't fix the installer, will it?
[02:42] <charlie-tca> The bug is because the installer insists that the install won't work in anything less then 4.4gb, which is wrong for anything except Ubuntu
[02:42] <Unit193> charlie-tca: jmarsden built the iso with that mod
[02:43] <Unit193> (If you want to read the whole thread)
[02:43] <charlie-tca> I see that. But I used the natty final to install in less then 4gb
[02:43] <charlie-tca> I just ignored the warning that said I needed 4.4GB
[02:44] <charlie-tca> But I will investigate further with a 4gb drive. That will be a better test
[02:45] <Unit193> https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg03786.html Says you can't ignore that... (I haven't tested that myself)
[02:46] <Unit193> charlie-tca: I'm not trying to put more work on you, I'm just linking both issues
[02:48] <Unit193> Not an easy way to do so anyway...
[02:52] <charlie-tca> I am happy to have the reference. We might need it yet
[02:53] <charlie-tca> Since I had a 40GB drive to work with, it might matter
[02:54] <charlie-tca> Both distros need to be able to use less than 4GB, so we will have to try and find a way. 
[03:19] <pleia2> Unit193: thanks for the update :)
[03:19] <pleia2> charlie-tca: can you create a separate bug for this? (it's a bit off-topic for the xubuntu-website bug)
[03:20] <Unit193> If I can help, I would like to (Not a programmer). I may give the ISO testing a shot...
[03:21] <pleia2> I don't think it's something that can be fixed for natty, but hopefully it can be looked into for the next release
[03:21] <charlie-tca> pleia2: yup, can do
[03:22] <pleia2> looks like Unit193 updated 18:38:06 < Unit193> I just wanted to pint this bug #784020 to https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg03803.html (If you read her comment, you will see what I'm 
[03:22] <pleia2> oops
[03:22] <pleia2> looks like looks like Unit193 updated #784020 for us with some details :)
[03:23] <charlie-tca> no problem. I can fix that too when I file the new bug
[03:23]  * charlie-tca can't really see good enough tonight, will fix it tomorrow though
[03:24]  * Unit193 Wasn't sure if that would count as a bug update...
[03:24] <pleia2> no rush, thanks!
[03:24] <pleia2> airplane wifi really is too slow for ssh, detatching
[03:24] <charlie-tca> Unit193: it is fine. I will transfer the information to the new bug
[03:24] <charlie-tca> heh
[03:24] <charlie-tca> Enjoy the flight
[03:24] <pleia2> thanks :)
[03:25] <Unit193> screen over country dial-up is a real killer...
[03:43] <charlie-tca> Unit193: don't let me forget the bug now
[03:43] <charlie-tca> Gotta go for tonight.
[07:03] <Unit193> Linked to the bug at the same time in #lubuntu-offtopic (Doubles as -devel) and It's been updated: Bug #784020
[10:07] <mr_pouit> micahg: no, you don't step on my toes, feel free to request syncs (probably all panel plugins can be synced) :)
[10:07] <mr_pouit> thanks
[10:09] <mr_pouit> micahg: also, if you find some ubuntu delta, maybe I forgot to include it in debian, so feel free to ping me about that as well.
[14:49] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:56] <drc> Morning...where's the coffee?
[14:56] <charlie-tca> I got mine
[14:56]  * charlie-tca puts a new pot of coffee on
[14:56] <charlie-tca> Sorry, drained the pot
[14:59] <drc> That's all right...I'm really a tea drinker, but as long as it has caffine....
[14:59] <charlie-tca> heh, no tea here
[14:59] <charlie-tca> but I got a cookie for you
[15:00]  * charlie-tca passes cookies around
[15:06] <drc> Sorry, I had to change a config to accept cookies...ummmm
[15:06] <charlie-tca> Maybe Soupermanito wants one too
[15:08] <Soupermanito> XD
[15:08] <charlie-tca> We passed a plate of cookies around, help yourself. They go good with the morning coffee
[15:08] <Soupermanito> hey charlie-tca :D good morning, yesterday i had General Information Sources class XD
[15:08] <Soupermanito> so i had to go
[15:08] <charlie-tca> no problem
[15:09] <drc> Soupermanito: Which University?
[15:09] <charlie-tca> I don't know if we can hold a meeting more than once a month on tuesday, maybe we can do it on Friday, though. 
[15:09] <Soupermanito> University of Buenos Aires, Argentina
[15:09] <charlie-tca> minutes are out, by the way
[15:09] <Soupermanito> will check
[15:10] <Soupermanito> question, if i test a milestone, will you want a x86 or an x86_64 to be tested?
[15:10] <drc> So that means that Soupermanito is officially on the hook for testing?
[15:10] <Soupermanito> :) i will try to do it yes, i hope my internets are whit me in this
[15:10]  * drc notes that he waited until *after* the meeting to volunteer.
[15:11]  * Soupermanito notes that he actually asked during the meet.
[15:13] <drc> charlie-tca: on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Testers it asks you to add your info, but I have no idea how to add it, can't find the <add> button:)
[15:13] <charlie-tca> yup
[15:13] <charlie-tca> Soupermanito: whichever one you are able to test. Not everyone can test both arches
[15:14] <charlie-tca> It is an edit of the wiki. Email it to me and I will add it. charlie AT ubuntu DOT com
[15:14] <Soupermanito> another thing i was thinking while walking yesterday is that when i installed 11.04 the other day and played an mp3, parole said me "no codecs" or something like that, and i was hoping it to be like the old releases that would instantly send me to download the proper codecs, but nothing hapened, i had to download them manually, which is rather obnoxious, even more if you are new to *buntu
[15:15] <charlie-tca> I did not anything except VLC would automatically download the codecs
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Soupermanito: my internet is a bit slow. It takes me about 6 hours to zsync the images now
[15:18] <charlie-tca> and the dvd's I sync take between 4 and 6 hours additional
[15:18] <Soupermanito> well my internets are also slow, it takes me about 2 hours to download 700mb, if lucky
[15:19]  * charlie-tca tests Ubuntu alternate and desktop, Xubuntu alternate and desktop, ubuntustudio alternate dvd's, kubuntu desktop and alternate - both 32bit and 64bit
[15:20] <charlie-tca> Download the images over the weekend before release. Even if they are natty, they can be zsynced quickly
[15:20] <charlie-tca> !zsync
[15:20] <Soupermanito> that did nothing
[15:20] <Soupermanito> XD
[15:20] <charlie-tca> !info zsync
[15:21] <charlie-tca> That is a bit faster than rsync now
[15:21] <Soupermanito> ok installing
[15:22] <charlie-tca> This explains zsync - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage
[15:23] <Soupermanito> :D hey charlie-tca you are the xubuntu project leader? :D xubuntu is awesome
[15:24] <charlie-tca> yes, I am
[15:25] <drc> charlie-tca: Approximately how long does the short&long testing take (just for scheduling, mind you)?
[15:25] <drc> charlie-tca: email is sent
[15:26] <charlie-tca> short is about 10 minutes, long can be anywhere between 10 minutes and 1 hour, depending on how many applications you run
[15:26] <charlie-tca> I normally test one application each time I run the live desktop and one each install I do
[15:27] <charlie-tca> That way, I spend just a few minutes to test them, since the install will take up to an hour to complete
[15:28] <charlie-tca> If I seem short of time, I will run through a menu at a time, so one install will include all the applications in Accessories
[15:28] <Soupermanito> charlie-tca, i have an old ide 4.3GB drive, will you like me to use it for testing? I ask because i saw you talking about limit sized during installs
[15:28] <charlie-tca> We are only testing the default installation stuff, so it isn't too bad
[15:29] <charlie-tca> It is not necessary. We try to test something like that for the final images only
[15:29] <drc> OK, what I think I'll  do, if it acceptable, is test/install one (live/alternate, 32/64) each day, that way I'll more than cover the spectrum each week?
[15:29] <charlie-tca> Things change too much until then
[15:29] <charlie-tca> That would be great, drc
[15:29] <charlie-tca> And keep in mind, part of testing is actually reporting bugs. 
[15:30] <charlie-tca> I wait 24 hours to report them, normally. Many of the installer bugs get fixed within that time, so it save some work.
[15:31] <charlie-tca> We will also many days that the images are oversize and don't fit on a cd. That is expected too.
[15:32] <drc> The site says to report daily testing to the mail list...is there a template for reporting?
[15:39] <charlie-tca> no, it needs updating. Mainly, we would like you to tell us here if anything fails
[15:40] <drc> OK, that's easy
[15:40] <charlie-tca> Also, persistent fails, like more than a couple of days, we will track carefully
[15:41] <charlie-tca> Just slap me with a wet trout if I don't respond to you
[15:42]  * davmor2 readies frozen trout by splashing it with water
[15:42] <Soupermanito> booo xchat doenst have a /slap command
[15:42]  * charlie-tca wasn't thinking of a frozen trout, fresh would be much better
[15:43] <charlie-tca> frozen is like a hammer!
[15:48] <micahg> mr_pouit: thanks, I'll try to do a round of syncs tonight
[15:48] <drc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9SSOWORzw4
[15:49] <charlie-tca> micahg: thanks for helping out! It's good to see someone else helping mr_pouit.
[15:49] <micahg> charlie-tca: happy to do it, maybe it'll fix some of my issues with xubuntu on oneiric as well
[15:50] <davmor2> charlie-tca: You're just no fun anymore :D
[15:50] <charlie-tca> You get hit with a frozen trout, you won't be much fun either ;-)
[15:50] <drc> davmor2: you know how it is when someone gets promoted to management :)
[15:50] <charlie-tca> lol
[15:51] <davmor2> charlie-tca: haha
[15:51] <davmor2> drc: so true
[15:53]  * charlie-tca thinks the block of ice might have something to do with it :-)
[15:54] <davmor2> charlie-tca: I can bake it solid if it's only the cold that puts you off ;)
[15:54] <charlie-tca> hehe
[15:55] <charlie-tca> I guess I would prefer the cold
[15:59] <Soupermanito> you can install *buntu to playstation 3 :O
[16:42] <drc> Using zsync, will there be a problem if one is zsync'ing (is that a even a verb?) an iso every 4 days instead of daily?
[16:42] <charlie-tca> no, it just will take a lot longer
[16:43] <charlie-tca> since the image can be changed completely within 4 days, it might be faster to download a new image
[16:45] <Soupermanito> so adding a cron activity to run zsync is recomended?
[16:58] <charlie-tca> I don't use cron for it
[17:51] <micahg> ugh, xubuntu on oneiric pulls in unity now due to the gnome-session dep
[17:54]  * drc get out the garlic, holy water and stakes
[17:54] <ochosi> lol
[17:54] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:54] <charlie-tca> takes a while to get that straightened out
[17:56] <charlie-tca> why do we have a gnome-session dependency?
[17:57] <micahg> oh, haha, I don't think it's from xubuntu
[17:58] <charlie-tca> That's why I am waiting to upgrade
[17:59] <micahg> oh, yeah, I think there's a dependency chain, but it's long
[18:09] <charlie-tca> probably something to sort out around alpha2 if it is still there
[18:20] <drc> OK...off to re-partition this machine for a testing partition.  Haven't tried dual booting in years and years and years...and then it was not a pleasant task.  Back in a while, if it's successful, later if not.
[18:27] <charlie-tca> just let it install grub to the sda, if you don't have windows. I don't really know if you do have windows
[18:29] <charlie-tca> oops
[18:30]  * charlie-tca too late again
[19:26] <Unit193> charlie-tca: There has been major changes to the bug report...
[19:26] <pleia2> yeah :( since we didn't create a new one it's now marked as invalid for the website
[19:27] <pleia2> actually, just for ubiquity
[19:27] <charlie-tca> It is okay to have both packages in the same report, as long we do add both
[19:27] <charlie-tca> yes, it is invalid for upstream ubiquity
[19:27] <pleia2> it really should be made into a new bug if we want to file it though, the original bug is *just* a documentation one for the iste
[19:27] <pleia2> site
[19:28] <charlie-tca> valid for website and ubuntu ubiquity
[19:28] <pleia2> is the website still wrong?
[19:28] <pleia2> I think it's correct for natty
[19:28] <charlie-tca> It is correct for the wording on the cd
[19:28] <pleia2> we should probably drop the website from the bug then
[19:29] <pleia2> this is very confusing :)
[19:29] <charlie-tca> We can just sign the website task off as fix-released
[19:29] <pleia2> ok
[19:30] <pleia2> there :)
[19:30] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[19:30] <Unit193> jmarsden kinda took that over...
[19:31] <charlie-tca> yes he did
[19:46] <Soupermanito> http://imagebin.org/154869
[19:46] <Soupermanito> oh wait not here