[00:14] hello chaps [02:38] I just wanted to pint this bug #784020 to https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg03803.html (If you read her comment, you will see what I'm talking about) [02:38] Launchpad bug 784020 in Xubuntu Website "download page lies about disk size requirements" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/784020 [02:40] It already installs in 3GB without modifying anything. [02:41] I have to try for 2GB yet, but that won't fix the installer, will it? [02:42] The bug is because the installer insists that the install won't work in anything less then 4.4gb, which is wrong for anything except Ubuntu [02:42] charlie-tca: jmarsden built the iso with that mod [02:43] (If you want to read the whole thread) [02:43] I see that. But I used the natty final to install in less then 4gb [02:43] I just ignored the warning that said I needed 4.4GB [02:44] But I will investigate further with a 4gb drive. That will be a better test [02:45] https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg03786.html Says you can't ignore that... (I haven't tested that myself) [02:46] charlie-tca: I'm not trying to put more work on you, I'm just linking both issues [02:48] Not an easy way to do so anyway... [02:52] I am happy to have the reference. We might need it yet [02:53] Since I had a 40GB drive to work with, it might matter [02:54] Both distros need to be able to use less than 4GB, so we will have to try and find a way. [03:19] Unit193: thanks for the update :) [03:19] charlie-tca: can you create a separate bug for this? (it's a bit off-topic for the xubuntu-website bug) [03:20] If I can help, I would like to (Not a programmer). I may give the ISO testing a shot... [03:21] I don't think it's something that can be fixed for natty, but hopefully it can be looked into for the next release [03:21] pleia2: yup, can do [03:22] looks like Unit193 updated 18:38:06 < Unit193> I just wanted to pint this bug #784020 to https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg03803.html (If you read her comment, you will see what I'm [03:22] Launchpad bug 784020 in Xubuntu Website "download page lies about disk size requirements" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/784020 [03:22] oops [03:22] looks like looks like Unit193 updated #784020 for us with some details :) [03:23] no problem. I can fix that too when I file the new bug [03:23] * charlie-tca can't really see good enough tonight, will fix it tomorrow though [03:24] * Unit193 Wasn't sure if that would count as a bug update... [03:24] no rush, thanks! [03:24] airplane wifi really is too slow for ssh, detatching [03:24] Unit193: it is fine. I will transfer the information to the new bug [03:24] heh [03:24] Enjoy the flight [03:24] thanks :) [03:25] screen over country dial-up is a real killer... [03:43] Unit193: don't let me forget the bug now [03:43] Gotta go for tonight. === Soup|away is now known as Soupermanito [07:03] Linked to the bug at the same time in #lubuntu-offtopic (Doubles as -devel) and It's been updated: Bug #784020 [07:03] Launchpad bug 784020 in Xubuntu Website "ubiquity doubles stated filesystem size requirements" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/784020 [10:07] micahg: no, you don't step on my toes, feel free to request syncs (probably all panel plugins can be synced) :) [10:07] thanks [10:09] micahg: also, if you find some ubuntu delta, maybe I forgot to include it in debian, so feel free to ping me about that as well. [14:49] Good morning [14:56] Morning...where's the coffee? [14:56] I got mine [14:56] * charlie-tca puts a new pot of coffee on [14:56] Sorry, drained the pot [14:59] That's all right...I'm really a tea drinker, but as long as it has caffine.... [14:59] heh, no tea here [14:59] but I got a cookie for you [15:00] * charlie-tca passes cookies around [15:06] Sorry, I had to change a config to accept cookies...ummmm [15:06] Maybe Soupermanito wants one too [15:08] XD [15:08] We passed a plate of cookies around, help yourself. They go good with the morning coffee [15:08] hey charlie-tca :D good morning, yesterday i had General Information Sources class XD [15:08] so i had to go [15:08] no problem [15:09] Soupermanito: Which University? [15:09] I don't know if we can hold a meeting more than once a month on tuesday, maybe we can do it on Friday, though. [15:09] University of Buenos Aires, Argentina [15:09] minutes are out, by the way [15:09] will check [15:10] question, if i test a milestone, will you want a x86 or an x86_64 to be tested? [15:10] So that means that Soupermanito is officially on the hook for testing? [15:10] :) i will try to do it yes, i hope my internets are whit me in this [15:10] * drc notes that he waited until *after* the meeting to volunteer. [15:11] * Soupermanito notes that he actually asked during the meet. [15:13] charlie-tca: on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Testers it asks you to add your info, but I have no idea how to add it, can't find the button:) [15:13] yup [15:13] Soupermanito: whichever one you are able to test. Not everyone can test both arches [15:14] It is an edit of the wiki. Email it to me and I will add it. charlie AT ubuntu DOT com [15:14] another thing i was thinking while walking yesterday is that when i installed 11.04 the other day and played an mp3, parole said me "no codecs" or something like that, and i was hoping it to be like the old releases that would instantly send me to download the proper codecs, but nothing hapened, i had to download them manually, which is rather obnoxious, even more if you are new to *buntu [15:15] I did not anything except VLC would automatically download the codecs [15:18] Soupermanito: my internet is a bit slow. It takes me about 6 hours to zsync the images now [15:18] and the dvd's I sync take between 4 and 6 hours additional [15:18] well my internets are also slow, it takes me about 2 hours to download 700mb, if lucky [15:19] * charlie-tca tests Ubuntu alternate and desktop, Xubuntu alternate and desktop, ubuntustudio alternate dvd's, kubuntu desktop and alternate - both 32bit and 64bit [15:20] Download the images over the weekend before release. Even if they are natty, they can be zsynced quickly [15:20] !zsync [15:20] that did nothing [15:20] XD [15:20] !info zsync [15:20] zsync (source: zsync): client-side implementation of the rsync algorithm. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.1-3ubuntu1 (natty), package size 98 kB, installed size 244 kB [15:21] That is a bit faster than rsync now [15:21] ok installing [15:22] This explains zsync - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage [15:23] :D hey charlie-tca you are the xubuntu project leader? :D xubuntu is awesome [15:24] yes, I am [15:25] charlie-tca: Approximately how long does the short&long testing take (just for scheduling, mind you)? [15:25] charlie-tca: email is sent [15:26] short is about 10 minutes, long can be anywhere between 10 minutes and 1 hour, depending on how many applications you run [15:26] I normally test one application each time I run the live desktop and one each install I do [15:27] That way, I spend just a few minutes to test them, since the install will take up to an hour to complete [15:28] If I seem short of time, I will run through a menu at a time, so one install will include all the applications in Accessories [15:28] charlie-tca, i have an old ide 4.3GB drive, will you like me to use it for testing? I ask because i saw you talking about limit sized during installs [15:28] We are only testing the default installation stuff, so it isn't too bad [15:29] It is not necessary. We try to test something like that for the final images only [15:29] OK, what I think I'll do, if it acceptable, is test/install one (live/alternate, 32/64) each day, that way I'll more than cover the spectrum each week? [15:29] Things change too much until then [15:29] That would be great, drc [15:29] And keep in mind, part of testing is actually reporting bugs. [15:30] I wait 24 hours to report them, normally. Many of the installer bugs get fixed within that time, so it save some work. [15:31] We will also many days that the images are oversize and don't fit on a cd. That is expected too. [15:32] The site says to report daily testing to the mail list...is there a template for reporting? [15:39] no, it needs updating. Mainly, we would like you to tell us here if anything fails [15:40] OK, that's easy [15:40] Also, persistent fails, like more than a couple of days, we will track carefully [15:41] Just slap me with a wet trout if I don't respond to you [15:42] * davmor2 readies frozen trout by splashing it with water [15:42] booo xchat doenst have a /slap command [15:42] * charlie-tca wasn't thinking of a frozen trout, fresh would be much better [15:43] frozen is like a hammer! [15:48] mr_pouit: thanks, I'll try to do a round of syncs tonight [15:48] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9SSOWORzw4 [15:49] micahg: thanks for helping out! It's good to see someone else helping mr_pouit. [15:49] charlie-tca: happy to do it, maybe it'll fix some of my issues with xubuntu on oneiric as well [15:50] charlie-tca: You're just no fun anymore :D [15:50] You get hit with a frozen trout, you won't be much fun either ;-) [15:50] davmor2: you know how it is when someone gets promoted to management :) [15:50] lol [15:51] charlie-tca: haha [15:51] drc: so true [15:53] * charlie-tca thinks the block of ice might have something to do with it :-) [15:54] charlie-tca: I can bake it solid if it's only the cold that puts you off ;) [15:54] hehe [15:55] I guess I would prefer the cold [15:59] you can install *buntu to playstation 3 :O [16:42] Using zsync, will there be a problem if one is zsync'ing (is that a even a verb?) an iso every 4 days instead of daily? [16:42] no, it just will take a lot longer [16:43] since the image can be changed completely within 4 days, it might be faster to download a new image [16:45] so adding a cron activity to run zsync is recomended? [16:58] I don't use cron for it [17:51] ugh, xubuntu on oneiric pulls in unity now due to the gnome-session dep [17:54] * drc get out the garlic, holy water and stakes [17:54] lol [17:54] yup [17:54] takes a while to get that straightened out [17:56] why do we have a gnome-session dependency? [17:57] oh, haha, I don't think it's from xubuntu [17:58] That's why I am waiting to upgrade [17:59] oh, yeah, I think there's a dependency chain, but it's long [18:09] probably something to sort out around alpha2 if it is still there [18:20] OK...off to re-partition this machine for a testing partition. Haven't tried dual booting in years and years and years...and then it was not a pleasant task. Back in a while, if it's successful, later if not. [18:27] just let it install grub to the sda, if you don't have windows. I don't really know if you do have windows [18:29] oops [18:30] * charlie-tca too late again [19:26] charlie-tca: There has been major changes to the bug report... [19:26] yeah :( since we didn't create a new one it's now marked as invalid for the website [19:27] actually, just for ubiquity [19:27] It is okay to have both packages in the same report, as long we do add both [19:27] yes, it is invalid for upstream ubiquity [19:27] it really should be made into a new bug if we want to file it though, the original bug is *just* a documentation one for the iste [19:27] site [19:28] valid for website and ubuntu ubiquity [19:28] is the website still wrong? [19:28] I think it's correct for natty [19:28] It is correct for the wording on the cd [19:28] we should probably drop the website from the bug then [19:29] this is very confusing :) [19:29] We can just sign the website task off as fix-released [19:29] ok [19:30] there :) [19:30] Thanks [19:30] jmarsden kinda took that over... [19:31] yes he did [19:46] http://imagebin.org/154869 [19:46] oh wait not here === Soupermanito is now known as Soup|away === Soup|away is now known as Soupermanito