[02:12] <churly> Can I add a program shortcut on the LXDE main menu that is not in a subcategory, just on the base menu?  Can this be done, by chance, by remove the "Categories=" line in the desktop file?  Or the "Type="? Or is there another trick?
[05:18] <bioterror> I could have earned $75 ;)
[05:59] <SpaceBack> Greetings !
[06:23] <kunguz> Hi, how to open package manager in lubuntu? I saw an update-manager...
[06:24] <bioterror> synaptic
[06:24] <bioterror> from the menu
[06:25] <kunguz> bioterror: now, I saw it. Thank you.
[06:26] <kunguz> instead of flash player plugin, will lightspark do the job also?
[06:32] <bioterror> we tend to use flashplayer-nonfree
[06:41] <kunguz> bioterror: thanks
[06:42] <bioterror> np and laters ;)
[11:57] <SpaceBack> Hi !
[12:16] <bioterror> SpaceBack, if you want to chat with us, #lubuntu-offtopic
[12:36] <SpaceBack> bioterror i just said hi )
[12:36] <SpaceBack> :)
[14:33] <silverarrow> hi
[14:34] <silverarrow> is there any recommende email client like thunderbird for lubuntu?
[14:36] <DooitzeCompaq> Is thunderbird too heavy for your computer?
[14:37] <silverarrow> I haven't tried it yet, I shouldn't think so
[14:38] <silverarrow> I think Opera has one too
[14:38] <DooitzeCompaq> besides Thunderbird there is Evolution
[14:38] <DooitzeCompaq> oh, I didn't know that
[14:38] <SpaceBack> silverarrow there is Sylpheed
[14:39] <silverarrow> I have to google them
[14:39] <silverarrow> :- ) thanks
[14:39] <DooitzeCompaq> http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/
[14:41] <silverarrow> sylpheed might be the fastest then?
[14:42] <SpaceBack> dont really know,just try and see if you like it
[14:42] <silverarrow> I used to have outlook, but I don't use windows that much anymore
[14:42] <silverarrow> hotmail is so full of spam, and popups
[14:43] <DooitzeCompaq> so you wanted to find a good alternative
[14:43] <silverarrow> yes
[14:43] <silverarrow> I shall go for sylpheed, and see how it works
[14:43] <DooitzeCompaq> I don't use hotmail anymore
[14:43] <DooitzeCompaq> I now use google mail or gmail
[14:43] <silverarrow> is it any better?
[14:45] <SpaceBack> i use hotmail,gmail,mail.com and its the same *hit,but i need a email adress,dont I :)
[14:45] <silverarrow> I got a bit conserned when youtube and google mail sort of merged
[14:46] <DooitzeCompaq> yes
[14:46] <silverarrow> we do
[14:46] <silverarrow> there seem to be less commersials in gmail
[14:46] <SpaceBack> and i used yahoo but them number of spam messages were incredible
[14:47] <silverarrow> I get spam too in hotmail, but they mostly go in the junk folder
[14:47] <DooitzeCompaq> what you could do is first register a google account and afterwards a youtube one. Next you remove your google account and you can use your youtube account without Google account
[14:47] <SpaceBack> the best of them for me is mail.com
[14:48] <silverarrow> I have grown to like lubuntu, so on this comptuer it probalby is a good idea to stay with the lightweigh stuff
[14:49] <silverarrow> I'm also trying to make puppylinux work
[14:49] <SpaceBack> puppy is a great distro but i must say that i didnt expect that lubuntu is such a stable distro
[14:49] <silverarrow> The only reason I still want ubuntu is because of Totem player
[14:50] <SpaceBack> i used most of my time slackware but i really could not any more get along with the package installation process
[14:51] <silverarrow> I see
[14:51] <silverarrow> I never tried slackware
[14:51] <silverarrow> maybe I will though
[14:51] <silverarrow> I have used, puppy, lubuntu, ubuntu, fedora,
[14:51] <SpaceBack> slack is a very interesting distro
[14:51] <silverarrow> linspire
[14:52] <SpaceBack> i used from number 1 to 83 http://distrowatch.com/
[14:52] <SpaceBack>  xD
[14:52] <silverarrow> cool
[14:52] <SpaceBack> not really
[14:53] <SpaceBack> i had to trash many many cd's
[14:53] <silverarrow> trouble burning?
[14:54] <SpaceBack> no but i got a box where i can throw away my used cd's for linux
[14:54] <SpaceBack> there are many distros
[14:55] <silverarrow> yes, I have no amition to try them all lol
[14:55] <silverarrow> but some I will
[14:55] <SpaceBack> arch must be on your list
[14:55] <SpaceBack> its a great distro
[14:56] <SpaceBack> and slack and gentoo
[14:57] <SpaceBack> after that you are really good linux user :D
[15:21] <silverarrow> bac
[15:21] <silverarrow> back
[15:21] <silverarrow> sorry, I got  a phone call
[16:03] <leszek> hi
[16:04] <DooitzeCompaq> hi
[16:05] <silverarrow> hi
[16:06] <silverarrow> why isn't Opera in package manager?
[16:06] <leszek> silverarrow: it isn't free software
[16:06] <silverarrow> are you shore?
[16:07] <leszek> its definitately closed source
[16:07] <leszek> I think you can find it in the ubuntu partner repository or just on opera.com. They have a ppa or something like that
[16:07] <silverarrow> it's free for download, and in Puppy linux it is found as a puplet
[16:07] <leszek> its freeware but not free software
[16:07] <silverarrow> I see
[16:08] <leszek> ubuntu uses the partner repo for something like that
[16:08] <silverarrow> thanks, usefull to know these things ;- )
[16:08] <leszek>  see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Adding Canonical Partner Repositories
[16:12] <silverarrow> when I download opera, I get  a warning "risk to system" or something like that
[16:13] <silverarrow> how much am I likely to mess up if I mark off for natty-backports?
[16:15] <leszek> silverarrow: its not recommened for the average user
[16:16] <leszek> its only useful if you know how to report and send a bug
[16:16] <silverarrow> I might not do it then
[16:16] <silverarrow> I think my old hard drive must have been full of errors
[16:16] <silverarrow> lubuntu runs like a dream now
[17:41] <pmatulis> strange, lubuntu is using 466 out of 512 MB of memory when nothing is running.  normal?  doesn't seem very light to me
[17:44] <DooitzeCompaq> pmatulis, do you have a gpu which use shared memory?
[17:45] <pmatulis> DooitzeCompaq: this is a kvm guest with the cirrus emulated card
[17:45] <DooitzeCompaq> okay
[17:46] <DooitzeCompaq> sounds strange
[17:46] <pmatulis> DooitzeCompaq: it's disappointing
[17:46] <DooitzeCompaq> Try virtualbox
[17:47] <DooitzeCompaq> I used lubuntu with less memory than 512MB
[17:48] <DooitzeCompaq> maybe its a bug that it uses too much memory when running on a kvm host
[17:48] <kill3>  I use Lubuntu on laptop which has 256MB RAM
[18:04] <DooitzeCompaq> so I think its a bug pmutils, use virtualbox
[18:15] <pmatulis> DooitzeCompaq: alright
[18:15] <DooitzeCompaq> good luck pmatulis
[19:44] <silverarrow> hi
[20:03] <silverarrow> how do I install from root?
[20:03] <silverarrow> I am in termial window, and it asks for root command
[20:04] <DooitzeCompaq> sudo apt-get install [package]
[20:07] <silverarrow> hmm, terminal closed
[20:07] <silverarrow> weird
[20:07] <silverarrow> I usued to be able to download Opera with out terminal
[20:07] <silverarrow> £$½"#%
[20:14] <silverarrow> why do I get terminal and not package manager?
[20:21] <silverarrow> is it possible to download Opera from terminal?
[20:22] <Unit193> silverarrow: You can install Opera from a repo (hosted on their server)
[20:23] <silverarrow> I have dowloaded directly from their site, but installation got a bit tricky with root commands
[20:24] <bioterror> sudo dpkg -I opera.deb
[20:24] <Unit193> silverarrow: You should be able to do this: wget -O file http://deb.opera.com/archive.key && sudo apt-key add file && sudo sh -c 'echo "deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera.list' && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install opera
[20:26] <silverarrow> yes something is happening
[20:27] <Unit193> bioterror: That was from the bonny events...
[20:28] <silverarrow> where did you find that Unit193?
[20:28] <silverarrow> worked like nothing else
[20:28] <Unit193> I just put it into one command: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppas/15
[20:29] <silverarrow> cool, I shall have to remember that
[20:29] <silverarrow> Error in file "/usr/share/applications/gnumeric.desktop": "zz-application/zz-winassoc-xls" is an invalid MIME type ("zz-application" is an unregistered media type)
[20:29] <silverarrow> should I worry about the last message there?
[20:32] <silverarrow> I shall have to go on Amazon and find a book on how to get to now Terminal window
[20:32] <bioterror> !cli | silverarrow
[20:33] <silverarrow> cool
[20:33] <silverarrow> I got a lot of lib updates after the Opera installation, are they any good in Lubuntu?
[20:34] <Unit193> I wouldn't know, I don't use or plan to use Opera
[20:35] <silverarrow> you are in firefox?
[20:35] <silverarrow> I tried midori, which was all right, exept for it kept crashing
[20:37] <Unit193> midori isn't bad...
[20:40] <silverarrow> maybe I shall give midori a chance
[20:40] <Unit193> I'm told Arora is small (but it's QT)
[20:42] <silverarrow> QT ?
[21:14] <leszek> Unit193: arora is lightweight. Its written in qt4 but who cares ;)
[21:15] <bioterror> Unit193, what's wrong with qt?
[21:15] <Unit193> leszek: I haven't use it much, but that will bring in a TON of depends
[21:15] <leszek> Unit193: why ?
[21:16] <leszek> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libqt4-network (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-script (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-sql (>= 4:4.5.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.7.0~beta1), libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.6.1), libqtwebkit4, libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1)
[21:16] <leszek> that are the dependencies. I think this aren't so much
[21:17] <Unit193> Hmmm... 37 MB isn't all that much (I must have already got half of them)
[22:33] <semitones> does lubuntu use pulseaudio?
[22:34] <bioterror> no
[22:34] <bioterror> just alsa
[22:34] <semitones> would it make sense to install pulseaudio on a 10yr old lubuntu laptop so I could stream music to it from a different computer?
[22:35] <bioterror> http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Music_Player_Daemon_Wiki ?
[22:36] <semitones> I kind of wanted the laptop to be more of a thin client
[22:37] <semitones> and all of the music would be played from youtube or mp3, but transmitted through LAN to the laptop (and thus the speakers)
[22:38] <bioterror> install mpd client to your laptop and mpd to your mp3 storage computer
[22:40] <semitones> is mpd easy to control?
[22:40] <semitones> like could I play a song in rhythmbox or similar, and have it play on the laptop?
[22:42] <bioterror> look that url I pasted ~10mins ago
[22:47] <semitones> i've been reading it, and it looks like pulseaudio is better
[22:47] <semitones> how difficult would it be to use pulse instead of alsa?
[23:27] <Rave1> Hi   what are you supposed to use as a user name and password for the live  CD   lubuntu  10.04
[23:49] <GTRsdk> How do I test RAM easily?
[23:50] <Rave1> GTRsdk,      mem test
[23:51] <Rave1> it is a part of most live CDs
[23:59] <GTRsdk> Rave1, is it possible by just using the menu on the GRUB bootloader?