[01:33] <shauno> Azelphur: fun one for you - http://techland.time.com/2011/05/23/report-police-confuse-bitcoin-miners-power-use-for-weed-grow-op/
[01:33] <Azelphur> shauno: indeed, been linked to that a few times now, ali1234 totally called that happening to me about a week ago too
[01:34] <Azelphur> lol
[01:34] <shauno> might not be a bad thing; you might be able to get them to pay for a new door :)
[01:34] <Azelphur> indeed, mines still busted :(
[03:01] <Azelphur> shauno: http://www.photoblip.com/images/790/4ac4dbc44f1e23e6f426b0daf2983af4.jpg
[03:01] <Azelphur> I clearly need to do this
[03:04] <ging> yes and add at the bottom a foot note about the power consumption being created by huge amounts of valuable computer equipment
[03:05] <shauno> are they all up and running now?
[03:06] <Azelphur> shauno: yea, I took the 6990 down because it runs too hot
[03:06] <Azelphur> shauno: but I have 8 5870s running, 3.1ghash :)
[03:06] <Azelphur> rather, 3.2*
[03:06] <Azelphur> ging, rofl true :D
[03:07] <Azelphur> shauno: I brought the entire floor up about 10c, when you go downstairs it's like an arctic blast xD
[03:08] <shauno> heh, oh dear
[03:09] <shauno> I'll be interested to know what the reaction when your next electricity bill is ;)  2-3kW is fairly significant for a 24x7 load
[03:10] <ging> Azelphur: in a single machine?
[03:10] <Azelphur> shauno: I actually have it running at 1.74kw
[03:10] <Azelphur> Ging no lol
[03:11] <ging> 4 machines?
[03:11] <Azelphur> ging 8
[03:11] <Azelphur> shauno: should only be £70
[03:11] <Azelphur> perks of being right next to the worlds largest wind farm \o/
[03:12] <ging> i thought that was in california
[03:12] <Azelphur> ging: I went a bit crazy, January: build my first PC, April: Water cool said PC. May: Build a supercomputer in the spare bedroom.
[03:12] <Azelphur> because weeeeee.
[03:12] <ging> or did they knock most of that down because it basicly didnt work?
[03:13] <Azelphur> ging: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanet_Wind_Farm
[03:13] <Azelphur> maybe there are bigger on shore ones *shrug*
[03:14] <alexMocanu> #go-nuts
[03:14] <Azelphur> #but-i-dont-like-nuts
[03:15] <ging> i remember years ago seeing stuff about a massive wind farm in calafornia that basicly did nothing because there for goverment tax incentives for these companies to build them but it didnt matter how much energy they produced, so companies just slapped a load up in some valley
[03:15] <Azelphur> ging rofl, fail
[03:15] <Azelphur> shauno: I wonder how much it'd cost to get a 2kw renewable energy installation going
[03:16] <Azelphur> probably wind since I'm clearly in the right place for it
[03:20] <ging> Azelphur: do you have a basement?
[03:20] <Azelphur> yea, but it's real bad down there
[03:21] <Azelphur> it's more like a dungeon/cave than a basement xD
[03:21] <ging> do you have objections to running a small liquid thorium nuclear reactor in an urban area?
[03:21] <Azelphur> sounds fun :D
[03:22] <ging> do it
[03:22] <Azelphur> lol
[03:24] <Azelphur> I might propose the idea of putting my 6990 unit in the back kitchen
[03:24] <Azelphur> it doesn't matter if it whirs a little back there, and that room is so cold it could make it warmer
[03:24] <Azelphur> xD
[03:26] <shauno> I'm not sure running a 24x7 load is the best use-case for home renewables
[03:27] <shauno> most methods don't give you a good output all the time, so you typically use the current in to charge storage, then use storage as needed
[03:28] <Azelphur> yea, if I was to do it I'd probably pump the power into an UPS with a nice big battery
[03:28] <Azelphur> to try and buffer the bumps out
[03:28] <ging> in winter i'm guessing for a lot of people real energy consumption of thier pcs is far less than they think, as all the energy they consume they chuck out into the room which means the heaters are not workign so hard
[03:29] <shauno> even a ups would be pretty sketchy
[03:31] <Azelphur> shauno: maybe, but here you can pretty much get wind power 24/7
[03:31] <Azelphur> there's always wind here :D
[03:31] <shauno> a ups would prett much waste the overcurrent when you're generating more than normal; and simply switch to battery when you're getting less than it wants
[03:31] <Azelphur> \o/
[03:32] <shauno> if you're generating, say, 75% of what you need .. a ups won't provide the other 25%.  it'll just switch straight to the inverter, disregard the input current, and drain the battery
[03:32] <Azelphur> ah, that's no good :(
[03:32] <Azelphur> It'd nice to be trying to power it off wind as much as possible, and falling back to battery and mains when needed :P
[03:32] <ging> i think with micro renewables you dont want to be storing your own energy, you want to be selling it back to the grid when ever you can, you get a feed in tarif which pays out 3-4x as much for the energy you produce as it costs you to buy
[03:33] <Azelphur> that's a simple idea :)
[03:33] <shauno> flywheel or water pump systems would do better .. you'd really want something that's designed for the job
[03:33] <Azelphur> shauno: ging's idea seems better, just buy a wind turbine and pump everything back into the grid
[03:33] <Azelphur> and offset my energy bill lol
[03:34] <shauno> :)
[03:34] <Azelphur> that'd be easy/seamless \o/
[03:34] <Azelphur> something fun to do one day :)
[03:34] <shauno> but wouldn't survive a zombie outbreak ;)
[03:36] <Azelphur> true lol
[03:36] <ging> i think the way they work is that you have to be producing a surplus to get the feed in rate, but i think it counts in real time, so if over night your getting 5kw and only using 3 but in the day your using 7 you still get paid for the 2kw surplus you used over night
[03:37] <shauno> no idea how that works :/  most places I come across this, it's hermits trying to live entirely 'off the grid'
[03:37] <Azelphur> haha :D
[03:38] <Azelphur> shauno: http://btcmine.com/toplist/ rank 6 \o/
[03:38] <ging> feed in tarrifs are a big thing now, because they are so pay out so much more per unit than they charge because it's goverment subsidised
[03:39] <ging> some people are litterally covering thier roofs in solar panels
[03:39] <shauno> that's why I don't come across them; I'm not in the UK, so not offered the same subsidies
[03:39] <ging> ah
[03:39] <Azelphur> gotta love government doing something right :D
[03:40] <ging> i dont think it's unique to UK, but i think UK has a very good rate for it making it worth doing
[03:40] <shauno> the chances of the irish government giving me anything are rather slim.  they're having more fun trying to figure out how to get me to pay for a housing bubble that burst before I moved here
[03:41] <ging> ah yeah ireland's goverment doesnt really have anything to be giving away right now
[03:42] <ging> atleast they've got plenty of houses they could attach solar panels to
[03:42] <shauno> yeah.  but no-one in them
[03:42] <Azelphur> lol
[03:42] <shauno> and don't you dare suggest the government buys the panels.  they've added enough <expletive> onto my pay stub as it is
[03:43] <shauno> they got bored of adding taxes, and invented levies and charges to go with them :/
[03:44] <shauno> (call it a tax, and it has to obey tax brackets.  call it a levy, and it doesn't)
[03:50] <ging> rumour has it that barrack obama didnt get his change when he paid for his pint in an irish pub
[03:51] <shauno> ;)
[03:52] <shauno> the queen was clever and got hers on the brewery tour, so it was on the house :p
[03:52] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/May%202011/IMG_20110525_034107.jpg magical photos :p
[03:53] <ging> i'm not too sure she actaully wanted it that much
[03:53] <shauno> nah she didn't touch it
[03:53] <shauno> himself looked a little more interested tho
[03:54] <shauno> Azelphur: I was wondering what you were gonna do with them physically.  that isn't what I pictured tho :p
[03:54] <Azelphur> ghetto style \o/
[03:54] <Azelphur> shauno: I might build a little rack for them one day.
[03:55] <ging> ah yeah i remember now she was going to try it then thought better of it or something
[03:55] <shauno> or just find some standoffs and make a rack *out of* them
[03:55] <Azelphur> shauno: haha, but then the PSU's would have nowhere to go
[03:56] <ging> seriously Azelphur that is how they are currently setup?
[03:56] <shauno> reminds me of this chap - http://helmer.sfe.se/
[03:56] <Azelphur> ging yep
[03:56] <Azelphur> shauno: yea, I was thinking I should do something like that :P
[03:58] <Azelphur> ging notice they all have no hdds too :D
[03:58] <Azelphur> apart from the one in the top left
[03:58] <shauno> his designs for a new one are pretty - http://helmer2.sfe.se/
[03:58] <ging> Azelphur: what is much more aprent is they have no cases
[03:58] <shauno> but the 'ikea rack' is famous now :)
[03:58] <shauno> you don't really want/need cases
[03:59] <Azelphur> ^
[03:59] <Azelphur> shauno: someone linked this in #bitcoin-mining the other day, really impressive. http://image.bayimg.com/eabdfaadd.jpg
[04:00] <Azelphur> I love what he did with the graphics card to solve the exhaust problem :p
[04:01] <shauno> google's servers are a good example - http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10209580-92.html
[04:02] <shauno> cases are pretty, but tend to be one of the more expensive components in a cluster like that  (in azulphur's case, possibly the second most expensive behind the video cards)
[04:03] <Azelphur> pretty much yea, the CPU is £23 and the mobo is £33, RAM £17
[04:03] <Azelphur> or something like that anyway, I ended up getting a bulk deal of £250/unit
[04:04] <shauno> I do think enclosing them is better for cooling tho, which seems to go against common wisdom
[04:05] <Azelphur> 5870s have really nice cooling tbh, it's amazingly quiet for what it is and all of the cards are between 67 and 73c right now
[04:05] <Azelphur> and they are overclocked from 850 to 900mhz, but the gpu memory is underclocked through the floor :P
[04:05] <Azelphur> (weirdly, lower gpu memory clock = better hashrate performance...physics how do they work)
[04:06] <shauno> surprised I don't seem to see many using risers to move the video card
[04:07] <Azelphur> yea, that photo I linked you to the guy is getting about 2.5mhash/watt
[04:07] <Azelphur> where as I'm currently only doing 1.8
[04:08] <Azelphur> http://www.amfeltec.com/products/x1pcie-splitter3.php looks like a very interesting way of beating him though :p
[04:08] <Azelphur> wonder if I could slam one of those in and then like magic I'm running 3 cards on a machine that's ridiculously low power xD
[04:14] <shauno> I wonder if you'd gain much efficiency by using one big power supply rather than 8 separate ones
[04:15] <ging> can you do that? just split a pci-e slot like that?
[04:15] <shauno> I think you just lose speed
[04:15] <shauno> eg, splitting a 16x slot into 3 slots doesn't render 3 16x slots
[04:16] <Azelphur> but obviously in this use case it's fine because your not using a whole lot of bandwith
[04:16] <Azelphur> you can bitcoin mine on an x1 slot no problem
[04:17] <ging> so you only need the bandwith when you are putting a lot in and out of the memory?
[04:18] <Azelphur> Ging I guess so yea, the bottleneck is the processing power :)
[04:19] <ging> how much memory do these things need? could you get away with cards that had powerful gpus without much ram atall?
[04:19] <Azelphur> you do need some memory, the general rule I've read is memory clock needs to be at least a third of gpu clock
[04:19] <Azelphur> so mine are at 900/300 atm
[04:22] <Azelphur> anyway, sleep time for me, nn all
[04:23] <ging> yeah but i mean how much memory is there, i'm thinking maybe if companies sold graphics cards with a low amount of ram but a fairly powerful gpu they'd be quite cheap for this sort of thing
[04:23] <Azelphur> ging: they are gonna be rolling out ASIC processors soon for this
[04:31] <ging> i clearly need a wired mouse, this one uses 2 aaa batteries a month
[04:33] <shauno> was reading about some of the fpga mining efforts.  not convinced anyone stands a chance of recouping their costs on that yet
[04:35] <shauno> maybe later on, when coins are taking long enough to generate that performance per watt becomes a big deal
[04:39] <shauno> it's interesting to read about, but not something I'm liable to play with.  it's an arms race, and that gets expensive.  just ask russia.
[04:41] <shauno> generation is limited network-wide to one block about every 10 minutes.  the more people join in with big rigs, the smaller the piece of the pie you get
[04:41] <shauno> the only way to "win" is to be prepared to buy more hardware than the next guy :/
[04:43] <shauno> (and that's ignoring the economic conditions of "is this currency going to be worth anything when the hype dies down")
[04:43] <shauno> I personally think the real winner is going to be amd :)
[05:03] <ging> i dont like amd
[06:32] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:39] <knightwise> hey BiRNiT
[07:45] <popey> http://slashdot.org/story/11/05/24/2010222/Microsoft-Kills-Skype-For-Asterisk
[07:56] <MartijnVdS> popey: wow. unexpected.
[08:02] <diplo> morning all
[08:23] <DJones> Morning
[08:26] <hoover> morning!
[08:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool - I remember the talk about Hotol all those years ago... Now looks like it might just happen http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13506289
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> Nice punny name.. "Skylon"
[08:33] <ikonia> any oracle guru's around ?
[08:33] <coyote_x> \part
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> !ask | ikonia
[08:40] <screen-x> morning :)
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> \o screen-x0r
[08:42] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: is that my 1337 alter ego?
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> I think so, yes
[08:48]  * MartijnVdS runs the test suite.. for the 50th time today already
[08:48]  * screen-x resorts to starwars for css specifity rules http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/images/specificitywars-05v2.jpg
[08:53] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:53] <screen-x> morning czajkowski
[08:58] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:02] <AlanBell> http://now.eloqua.com/es.asp?s=491&e=162556 Microsoft start shutting down skype
[09:03] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski hugs
[09:04] <screen-x> AlanBell:  :(
[09:04] <MooDoo> AlanBell: and so it begins
[09:05] <mrwarmth> Skype + Microsoft = http://i6.aijaa.com/b/00097/8091042.png
[09:06] <MooDoo> awesome
[09:22] <dwatkins> haha, my brother started playing Minecraft yesterday with his son, I'm not sure who's more addicted...
[09:23] <MooDoo> dwatkins: uh ho!
[09:23] <MooDoo> :)
[09:34] <oimon> twitter web page is broken - type something in the search bar hit return, then delete the contents of the search bar, hit return, and it searches for the word "search" ?
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> cool
[09:35] <oimon> i couldn't find a way to show the regular home page for ages...
[09:35] <BigRedS> well, that is what's in the search box when you hit the search button. that's what the search button is supposed to do - search for the contents of the search box
[09:35] <oimon> BigRedS: what if you delete all the words from the search box?
[09:36] <BigRedS> then it repopulates it with 'search' as soon as teh text box loses focus
[09:36] <oimon> also, clicking on the twitter banner would just return me to searches for #superinjunction :-$
[09:37] <oimon> don't know who typed that in lol
[09:37] <oimon> i don't think they are really suppotring 'old/useful twitter' any more
[09:37] <dwatkins> https://twitter.com/#!/search/%20%23superinjunction oimon - replace with the text of your choice, seems to work for me
[09:38] <BigRedS> for a while, going to 'old twitter' got a 403 error
[09:38] <BigRedS> during which time, I got quite used to the new one
[09:38] <oimon> unfortunately i wanted no search...even clicking Home took me to the prefilled search
[09:38] <oimon> anyway, sorted it now
[09:38] <oimon> my fault for not using a client
[09:38] <BigRedS> it seems to do everything right, though it's still impossible to follow other people's conversations
[09:39] <oimon> new twitter is about as useful to me as new lifehacker
[09:40] <BigRedS> I suspect that might be more because its' different than through any lack of functionality, though
[09:40] <oimon> :D
[09:41] <oimon> if i'm like this now, i'm gonna be terrible when i'm 70
[09:41] <BigRedS> haha, I'm not claiming innocence on my part :)
[09:41] <BigRedS> but since getting used to new twitter through the odl one being broken, the old one feels broken
[09:42] <oimon> i'm more of a facebook man , but twitter has its uses
[09:42] <popey> ikonia: I know a bit of oracle, wassup?
[09:42] <popey> (morning btw)
[09:46] <oimon> i have a word doc that won't display properly in OOo, google docs, or word viewer 2003..any other ideas?
[09:46] <BigRedS> is this msooxml, or a back-in-the-day doc?
[09:47] <oimon> old skool doc
[09:47] <BigRedS> either way, if MS's viewer wont show it, I guess it's broken
[09:47] <oimon> gonna try virewer 2010
[09:47] <oimon> looks like some hideous document that's been rewritten 100s of times since 1990s
[09:48] <oimon> word viewer is running under wine btw
[09:48] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:50] <BigRedS> ew. so it could just be wine breaking it
[09:50]  * popey wonders how many more surveys will be created
[09:50]  * BigRedS offers to survey the survey writers
[09:51] <popey> hah, yeah, maybe we should make a survey "It looks like you're making a survey, we have a survey which may help!"
[09:56] <oimon> what surveys?
[09:56] <BigRedS> there's just been one to the list
[09:56] <BigRedS> but there does, generally, seem to be one floating around somewhere
[09:56] <oimon> oh yeah
[09:57] <oimon> one of them the other day was bizarre
[10:00] <davmor2> morning all
[10:01] <hoover> morning
[10:04] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:09] <oimon> anyone recommend a good vendor for a high end graphics card? ( the nvidia gtx 590 )
[10:11] <bigcalm> Is it DNA's birthday/deathday?
[10:12] <bigcalm> Humm, nope
[10:12] <bigcalm> Wonder why it's being reported as Towel Day
[10:13] <dwatkins> Perhaps towel day is different.
[10:13] <bigcalm> "The annual Towel Day (25 May) was first celebrated in 2001, two weeks after Adams's death."
[10:13] <bigcalm> Thank you WikiPedia :)
[10:13] <dwatkins> eek, towelday dot org is trying to do something wierd with feedjit dot com
[10:14] <dwatkins> aha
[10:16] <dwatkins> Today is also geek pride day.
[10:17] <hoover> thanks biggie, good to know
[10:18] <hoover> I'll have a few pints later in order to get ready for the pickup
[10:18] <hoover> ;-)
[10:18] <bigcalm> \o/
[10:18] <bigcalm> Don't forget the peanuts
[10:20] <bigcalm> I'm editing crontab on a client's server:  DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall.
[10:20] <bigcalm> What/where is the master?
[10:21] <BigRedS> use crontab -e
[10:21] <BigRedS> or crontab -e -u <user>
[10:21] <bigcalm> That's what I'm doing
[10:21]  * bigcalm shrugs and edits anyway
[10:21] <screen-x> bigcalm: are they using some sort of configuration management system?
[10:22] <screen-x> puppet or something like that?
[10:22] <bigcalm> screen-x: I really can't tell, but I don't think so
[10:22] <bigcalm> It's a very old server with FirstServ
[10:22] <bigcalm> Which we are moving away from and to RackSpace oh so very soon
[10:22]  * screen-x has an interview with rackspace on friday
[10:23] <bigcalm> Job or renting servers?
[10:23] <screen-x> Job
[10:23] <bigcalm> Good luck :)
[10:23] <screen-x> thanks :)
[10:23] <oimon> bigcalm: it may be they use version control on those files, so it will get overwritten
[10:23] <bigcalm> oimon: we'll see tomorrow then :)
[10:23] <oimon> or in 3 months whenthe master changes
[10:26] <bigcalm> We'll have moved hosts long before then
[10:26] <screen-x> bigcalm: set a daily cron job, that creates an 'at' task for tomorrow which sha1s the crontab to see if its been changed ;-)
[10:27] <bigcalm> screen-x: I'm not being paid enough to care that much :P
[10:27] <oimon> where's the rackspace job located?
[10:27] <screen-x> oimon: hear heathrow
[10:27] <screen-x> s/hear/near/
[10:29] <oimon> you can probably hear it too from there
[10:29] <screen-x> heh
[10:30] <oimon> wow they have a lot of vacancies
[10:30] <screen-x> yah
[10:30] <screen-x> expanding rapidly
[10:31] <oimon> they don't seem to publish their salaries for the roles though
[10:32] <oimon> if i lived near there i would be seriously considering applying for one of those right now
[10:34] <popey> oimon: canonical are hiring, many are work from home roles
[10:35] <czajkowski> oimon: from what I've seen only recruitment websites advertise salaries
[10:35] <czajkowski> which is to be fair really annoying if you are applying directly to a company
[10:40] <bigcalm> Humf, gnu.org seems to be offline again
[10:41] <bigcalm> They need to stop going down so offten
[10:42] <BigRedS> are they running on hurd?
[10:42] <oimon> or maybe turd
[10:44] <bios__> привіт
[10:44] <bios__> мені можуть допомогти з Кубунтою?
[10:44] <AlanBell> !ru
[10:44] <bios__> english?
[10:45] <AlanBell> yeah
[10:45] <bios__> hm =)
[10:45] <AlanBell> and Kubuntu is in #kubuntu
[10:45] <AlanBell> you were thinking ukranian?
[10:45] <bios__> yes
[10:45] <bios__> russ
[10:46] <bios__> little English
[10:46] <oimon> нe понимaю
[10:47] <bios__> писать на руском?
[10:47] <bios__> на каком языке вам писать?
[10:48] <oimon> по  английском языке, пожалуйста
[10:48] <bios__> okey
[10:48] <oimon> :D
[10:48] <bios__> =)
[10:49] <bios__> problems from the image on your desktop Where to download the screenshot to show what's the problem?
[10:49] <devnatu> Hi can any one help in regards to adding banner in Drupal 7
[10:50] <devnatu> i have long banner with company name and logo
[10:50] <AlanBell> devnatu: probably best asking in #drupal
[10:50] <devnatu> ok i will do that
[10:50] <devnatu> thanks
[10:50] <bios__> )
[10:51] <oimon> bios__: try imgur.com to display screenshot
[10:51] <bios__> cool, i like english
[10:51] <AlanBell> devnatu: #drupal-uk even
[10:53] <oimon> AlanBell: you speak russian? or google did it for you
[10:53] <AlanBell> google (and just recognising cyrillic)
[10:53] <oimon> i studied it at school :D
[10:54] <oimon> but my skills are weak nowadays
[10:57] <screen-x> "How do I attach an email to an email?"  Outlook has much to answer for.
[11:00] <BigRedS> screen-x: that is, sometimes, useful
[11:06] <bios__> http://i.imgur.com/NmMBm.png
[11:06] <bios__> image bags
[11:06] <bios__> help my
[11:06] <bios__> ok&
[11:06] <bios__> ?
[11:09] <oimon> bios__: processor/ graphics card?
[11:09] <bios__> ok
[11:10] <oimon> which hardware do you have
[11:11] <bios__> please wait
[11:12] <bios__> I go for lunch, then I for 1 hour
[11:13] <bios__> excuse me please
[11:13] <oimon> also there is a #ubuntu-ru room for russian speakers, did you try in there?
[11:14] <davmor2> oimon: you can guess from the motherboard name surely ;)
[11:14] <bios__> тще
[11:14] <bios__> not
[11:16] <bios__> Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945G GEM 20100330 DEVELOPMENT
[11:17] <bios__> video card
[11:17] <bios__> not drivers install
[11:19] <davmor2> bios__: Asus box then?  well asus mb at least
[11:23] <davmor2> oimon: It an all intel MB.  Intel core2duo as the top rated processor and intel GMA950 on an intel 945GZ northbridge  for bios__'s mb if that helps
[11:23] <jpds> oimon: He's already there.
[11:25] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] LoCo Team re approvals are underway - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/05/25/loco-team-re-approvals-are-underway/
[11:50]  * popey pokes ikonia with oracle
[11:52] <davmor2> czajkowski: prods just cause
[11:53]  * czajkowski prods popey and davmor2 
[11:53] <davmor2> czajkowski: what did popey do?
[11:53] <popey> yeah, bully!
[11:55] <czajkowski> davmor2: I was making sure he wasn't feeling left out
[11:55] <gord> i heard that popey is going to be carrying the torch for the olympic games y'know
[11:55] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:55] <gord> oh awesome, twitter decided to sign me up, without asking me, to get emails when people reply to me. thats just fantastic
[11:56] <davmor2> gord: we discovered it was only for 300 meters at which point we realised he wouldn't suffer enough
[11:56] <davmor2> gord: yes I'm get that too
[11:56] <davmor2> fsckin twitter
[12:05] <oimon> gord: i knew i was looking at the twitter web page for a reason...i haven't had those settings applied to my profile yet
[12:06]  * BigRedS revels in his unpopularity :)
[12:07] <davmor2> oimon: it's under profile notifications
[12:08] <oimon> davmor2: i still have the old ones
[12:08] <davmor2> oimon: jammy get
[12:11] <davmor2> http://blog.alpha.gov.uk/blog/a-brief-overview-of-technology-behind-alpha-gov-uk nice use of Ubuntu in the government :D To add confirmation that it is Ubuntu http://blog.alpha.gov.uk/colophon
[12:11] <oimon> davmor2: yeah, i wish my employer would take note
[12:12] <czajkowski> davmor2: no mention of it though
[12:12] <davmor2> czajkowski: look at the second link
[12:13] <BigRedS> ew. ruby
[12:13] <davmor2> czajkowski: he is asked in the comments and answers there with the top link
[12:13] <davmor2> s/top/second
[12:13] <czajkowski> ah
[12:13] <davmor2> BigRedS: mostly django by the look of things though
[12:14] <BigRedS> yeah
[12:15] <BigRedS> weirdly sensible for a gov project
[12:15] <AlanBell> did you see the humans.txt?
[12:15] <AlanBell> http://alpha.gov.uk/humans.txt
[12:16] <jpds>  /fail is better.
[12:17] <AlanBell> it is!
[12:17] <dwatkins> is anyone here familiar with a boot screen showing an angry fish in Ubuntu 10.4? Doesn't sound like the standard boot splash, but I'm wondering if it's a fairly common thing.
[12:18] <BigRedS> an angry fish?
[12:18] <BigRedS> awesome
[12:19] <popey> screenshot / photo ?
[12:20] <dwatkins> popey: yeah, just asked for one
[12:34] <popey> http://notebookitalia.it/nuovi-asus-eee-pc-al-computex-11622
[12:34] <popey> oooo
[12:37] <gord> too white for me
[12:37] <bigcalm> Using the translate option in google chrome has worked wonders. That was very easy to read
[12:37] <gord> are they suggesting that it works in zero g though? ;)
[12:37]  * DJones offers gord a tin of black hammerite to repaint the case
[12:38] <davmor2> gord: now I'd like to see popey put that one to the test :D
[12:39] <oimon> translation: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/25/asus-preparing-an-ultraslim-eee-pc-with-a-twist-for-computex/
[12:40] <oimon> Chromium memory use: 1,453,380k
[12:43] <popey> "In relation to this and in the persuit of the right choices for our fans, here's a question to all our mobile gurus: what do you prefer to use:, pad, notebook or netbook? Also, given that we were first to try Linux with the Eee PC 701 back in 2007 - we'd like to know again: is Windows still a firm requirement for your everday needs?"
[12:43] <popey> thats ASUS asking on facebook
[12:43] <popey> http://www.facebook.com/ASUS?sk=app_183144391734297
[12:47] <Ng> pad \o/
[12:48] <Ng> netbooks only if they have nearly-fullsize keys - *hate* the dell mini9 keyboard
[12:48] <czajkowski> Ng: it does take getting some used to
[12:49] <Ng> I reckon I can type faster on a touchscreen keyboard than on that thing
[13:12] <andylockran> z/win 6
[13:18] <gord> i like netbooks much more than pads, would like a netbook with a touch screen though, maybe a reversible screen
[13:19] <gord> just unfold the netbook part when you actually want to do proper typing
[13:39] <davmor2> dell duo then gord ;)
[13:40] <BigRedS> I used to have a snazzy snap-out keyboard for my XDA
[13:40] <BigRedS> it was only about 4" wide closed, expanded to about 10". I want a netbook that does that
[13:43] <gord> davmor2, something thats not atom based ;)
[13:46] <davmor2> gord: I'm looking forward to a sensibly sized netbook/laptop that is arm based and the A15 chipset might be the thing that brings that about :)
[13:46] <gord> my arm netbook is nice, but really not for the feint of heart
[13:51] <dwatkins> gord: slow?
[13:51] <dwatkins> I'm tempted by the Eeepad
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> Squeeeepad?
[13:51] <gord> dwatkins, nvidia tergra 2, so its all closed source and stuff, if your getting a more open driver arm machine you should be fine
[13:51] <gord> arm certainly isn't slow
[13:51] <dwatkins> gord: I'm going to be running Ubuntu on an iBook shortly :D
[14:05] <BigRedS> when dspam logs "dropping message", what does it mean?
[14:05] <BigRedS> I'm guessing it's either passed on with no spam filtering, or disappears into the ether
[14:08] <davmor2> gord: only the install then :D
[14:09]  * hamitron sighs
[14:10] <hamitron> spanked by automation troubles again
[14:10] <hamitron> ;\
[14:10] <hamitron> !nvidia
[14:11] <dogmatic69> anyone know how i can access rhythmbox from external?
[14:11] <dogmatic69> i forwarded external port 7000 -> <pc_ip>:7001
[14:12] <dogmatic69> going to 127.0.0.1:7001 on the pc works, but using the external ip:7000 just has a loading thing in the status bar
[14:15] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: can you access from another machine within the lan?
[14:15] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: i think so, seems the router is not allowing external connections
[14:15] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: try forwarding something else and see if it works
[14:16] <bigcalm> I had a router that would reboot itself if you tried to forward some ports
[14:16] <dogmatic69> :D
[14:16] <screen-x> dogmatic69: do netstat -nlt and see if rb is listening on 127.0.0.1 or 0.0.0.0
[14:16] <dogmatic69> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:7001          0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN
[14:17] <screen-x> dogmatic69: you need to get it to listen on 0.0.0.0 (or your nic address) before you can access it from another machine.
[14:20] <dogmatic69> screen-x: how is this?
[14:20] <dogmatic69> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:7001            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN
[14:21] <screen-x> dogmatic69: that looks better
[14:22] <dogmatic69> k, now can access it within the wifi
[14:23] <screen-x> One of my users has been sent a word doc with embedded PDFs. I can't seem to open the embedded PDFs with oowriter (double clicking results in "General Error" even with OOo pdf import plugin installed). If I save the doc as odt, and extract its contents, there are a few files named object\ 1-3 that are about the right size, however they are no openable as PDFs, "file" says they are corrupt CDF V2 Documents. Any suggestions?
[14:25] <dogmatic69> google word thingy
[14:25] <dogmatic69> it might be able to open / extract stuff
[14:26] <oimon> new bbc news app: https://market.android.com/details?id=bbc.mobile.news.uk
[14:26] <screen-x> dogmatic69: tried importing into google docs, but the file was too large :(
[14:26] <dogmatic69> aw
[14:26] <screen-x> dogmatic69: thanks for the suggestion though :)
[14:26] <dogmatic69> windows vm + office
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: http://www.jules.fm/Logbook/files/extract_ole_from_word.html
[14:26] <dogmatic69> how big is this file?
[14:27] <devnatu> can some one please tell me how do i extract zip file in to certain location in ubuntu via command line
[14:27] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: thanks, I presume thats perl..
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: it is, and it's horribly formatted
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: and the italic bits are comments, prefix with #
[14:28] <devnatu> can some one please tell me how do i extract zip file in to certain location in Ubuntu via command line
[14:29] <screen-x> devnatu: sudo apt-get install unzip; man unzip
[14:29] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: http://search.cpan.org/~jmcnamara/OLE-Storage_Lite-0.19/lib/OLE/Storage_Lite.pm might be better/easier to use
[14:29] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: it has some test/example files in the tar.gz
[14:31] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: Thanks, I'll have a go
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: or http://search.cpan.org/~mschwartz/OLE-Storage-0.386/Storage.pm
[14:31] <hamitron> is anyone here good with writing xorg.conf files from scratch? or know a good way to make one?
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: you don't need one anymore
[14:32] <hamitron> my laptop won't work without
[14:32] <hamitron> and none of the tools I used to use seem to exist
[14:32] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: you sometimes do
[14:32] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: check the Ubuntu wiki
[14:32] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: only if you buy Nvidia
[14:32] <BigRedS> or if udev/hal/whatever guesses wrongly
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: it never has for me
[14:33] <DJones> hamitron: Is this any use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[14:33] <BigRedS> no, but sometimes people want to move buttons around or something
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: moving buttons around doesn't involve xorg.conf changes
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: keyboard mapping is all hot-changeable now
[14:33] <BigRedS> what's the currently approved way of doing it?
[14:34] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration ?
[14:34] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: and/or some xkb magic in your session
[14:34] <BigRedS> and swapping buttons 1 and 2 on a mouse?
[14:34] <hamitron> I get no signal to my display yet
[14:34] <hamitron> ;)
[14:34] <BigRedS> and monitor config?
[14:34] <MartijnVdS> monitor config isn't swapping buttons, monitor config -> xradnr
[14:34] <MartijnVdS> xrandr
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> (or the gnome variant using the randr extension)\
[14:35] <BigRedS> no, I know they're different. They're just things I've done in xorg.conf before
[14:35] <DJones> hamitron: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config First few lines have suggestions on how to create an xorg.conf
[14:36] <BigRedS> I've no had cause to manually configure X for a while, but I dispise this idea that you're now not supposed to
[14:36] <hamitron> iirc, I have to disable EDID
[14:36] <hamitron> or something
[14:36] <hamitron> and tell it what display to use
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> Where do you buy such crappy hardware? :P
[14:37] <hamitron> I've had it longer than there has been ubuntu
[14:37] <hamitron> haha
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> there's your problem
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> stone-age hardware
[14:38] <hamitron> yeh well, I'm getting annoyed with things not working
[14:38] <hamitron> :/
[14:39] <hamitron> may have to install slackware 11.0 or something, to get the settings
[14:39] <oimon> lol
[14:39] <oimon> hamitron: run knoppix live usb
[14:40] <hamitron> I got a slackware cd here
[14:40] <hamitron> easier
[14:40] <hamitron> :)
[14:40] <oimon> does slackware have livecd mode?
[14:40] <MartijnVdS> haha. ha.
[14:40] <MartijnVdS> ha
[14:40] <hamitron> no, but I can delete my swap partition
[14:40] <oimon> i didn't realise people actually used slackware/arch/gentoo
[14:41] <hamitron> oimon: only when I have to
[14:41] <DJones> oimon: Slackware is good for learning
[14:41] <oimon> i thought they were just words people used when they were trolling on forums
[14:41] <oimon> :D
[14:42] <hamitron> I know this isn't ubuntu's fault ofc, it is the X.org problem
[14:42] <hamitron> but still hassle
[14:45] <hamitron> I'm sure I have a xorg.conf file backup somewhere, with all the stuff in
[14:45] <hamitron> just dunno which "safe" place I put it
[14:45] <hamitron> :/
[14:47] <oimon> i use tomboy for that guff
[14:48] <hamitron> but you know it is bad when you were coming across ipchains scripts
[14:48] <hamitron> :S
[14:48] <oimon> hehehe
[14:48] <popey> \o/ guff
[14:49] <oimon> unfortunately i can't run latest tomboy on lucid cos popey hasn't packaged it yet :D
[14:49] <popey> ooo, thanks for the reminder
[14:49]  * popey will do it
[14:49] <hamitron> :)
[14:49] <hamitron> I don't mind having text files in folders, I just need to delete all the old ones
[14:49] <hamitron> and have it sorted
[14:50] <oimon> popey: i wonder if you will have any problems, since v1.6 uses stuff like libgtk2.0-cil-dev >= 2.10.4
[14:51] <oimon> popey: ignore that, i got my version numbers wrong
[14:53] <oimon> i had a right palaver yesterday getting inssider working on lucid due to libgtk2.0-cil dependencies :(
[14:58] <Laney> i thought lucid had gtk-sharp 2.12 already
[15:00] <Laney> also it would be good to look at doing proper tomboy backports instead of the ppa
[15:09] <popey> indeed
[15:09] <popey> but the ppa is upstream with no patches
[15:09] <popey> I guess a backport would have ubuntu patches?
[15:09] <bigcalm> GAH!
[15:09] <popey> GAH?
[15:10]  * bigcalm signs and send the VM contract
[15:10] <bigcalm> Keep forgetting
[15:10] <Laney> that is true they are usually straight rebuilds of what's in subsequent releases
[15:11] <popey> still, a valuable thing to have
[15:12] <Laney> especially for oneiric+ as backports will be enabled by default and presented in the software centre nicely :-)
[15:12] <popey> sweet
[15:12]  * Laney is rather chuffed about that
[15:14]  * popey hugs pbuilder-dist
[15:14] <oimon> Laney: by default? looks like more reboots for me then
[15:15] <Laney> no
[15:15] <Laney> stuff won't be installed by default
[15:16] <oimon> "especially for oneiric+ as backports will be enabled by default"
[15:16] <Laney> :-)
[15:17] <Laney> we have this flag called NotAutomatic which means that it gets a low priority
[15:18] <screen-x> hmm, if backports is enabled by default, whats the difference between -backports and -updates?
[15:18] <Laney> the difference is the type of updates that are allowed to go into each
[15:18] <Laney> !backports
[15:19] <BigRedS> I'd assumed backports gets feature upgrades, updates only get security updates?
[15:19] <Laney> well, important bug fixes
[15:19] <BigRedS> oh yeah
[15:20] <Laney> there's -security for security only changes
[15:20] <BigRedS> those too
[15:21] <screen-x> so -updates gets important non-security bug fixes, -backports could potentialy have a version with new features.
[15:21] <oimon> i'm sure there were less kernel updates in the olden days (ubuntu 2005)
[15:21] <oimon> be quiet botty
[15:21] <Laney> Dear #ubuntu-uk, if you like Belle and Sebastian and have Spotify then please visit this link: http://open.spotify.com/track/34DM93BGyz3o8XnpgFbAB8 Thanks, Love from Iain.
[15:21] <popey> in my mind it's "updates is 1.1.1 -> 1.1.2, security is 1.1.1 -> 1.1.1OMGSECURITYHOLEFIXED", backports is 1.1.1 -> 1.2"
[15:22] <oimon> Laney: i'm going to see b&s next week in concert
[15:22] <popey> massive oversimplification ^
[15:22] <Laney> yeah summat like that
[15:22] <Laney> oimon: awesome! I saw them last year :>
[15:22] <screen-x> popey: heh that makes sense :)
[15:22] <Laney> the guy is surprisingly young (at least to my expectations)
[15:23] <oimon> i actually prefer camera obscura but hey, it was supposed to be an old school mates meetup, now ther are only 2.5 of us going
[15:23] <Laney> I prefer this version to the B&S original tbh
[15:24]  * screen-x is disturbed by the non-integer attendee acount
[15:24] <oimon> screen-x: somebody is bringin their other half :D
[15:25] <popey> (
[15:25] <screen-x> )
[15:25] <popey> \o/
[15:25] <popey> just checkin'
[15:25] <screen-x> :)
[15:25] <oimon> >-|o
[15:25] <Laney> {([<
[15:25] <screen-x> >])}
[15:26] <screen-x> this could get tedious ;-)
[15:26] <oimon> ubuntu-uk needs to start doing some member surveys :D
[15:26] <oimon> how many people in the room are left handed/ how many have buttons on the LHS/ atheist vs theist
[15:26]  * Laney has NO BUTTONS
[15:27] <popey> -!- seeker [~seeker@unaffiliated/seeker] has quit [DISGUSTED!]
[15:27] <bigcalm> popey: called 150. Upgrading to 30mb does mean the start of a new 12 month contract. Signing and returning now
[15:27] <popey> hehe
[15:27] <popey> i should open that letter then
[15:27] <bigcalm> ;)
[15:27] <bigcalm> And check your info is correct on it
[15:28] <bigcalm> They didn't have Hayley down as the 2nd contact name
[15:28] <popey> I want to upgrade my desktop CPU to be quieter
[15:28] <popey> want quiet fans and a quiet heatsink for a q6600 cpu
[15:28] <bigcalm> Na, just wear headphones
[15:28] <Laney> wrap a duvet around it
[15:28] <screen-x> haha
[15:29] <hamitron> oh I give up :/
[15:29] <hamitron> gonna just use the terminal
[15:29] <popey> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134
[15:29] <popey> looks interesting
[15:29] <popey> whats the clear plastic thing?
[15:29] <popey> in the right hand pic
[15:30] <bigcalm> Choking hazard o.O
[15:30] <Laney> packaging i guess
[15:30] <popey> ah
[15:30] <andylockran> what's giffgaff like?
[15:30] <bigcalm> Looks like it, yeah
[15:30] <Laney> I used to have a huge zalman flower job, that was great
[15:30] <screen-x> could be a baffle
[15:30] <popey> i hate doing hardware bits
[15:31] <hamitron> it has one of them holes at the top to hang in in a shop
[15:31] <oimon> popey: colleagues asked me to get 2 x gtx590 nvidia cards = most powerful graphics cards available...wonder if they are into bitcoin
[15:32] <hamitron> what is wrong with gaming? :)
[15:32] <hamitron> bitcoining isn't the only gpu thing
[15:32] <oimon> £600 a pop
[15:32] <hamitron> ;)
[15:32] <oimon> actually i think they are doing astronomical modellig
[15:32] <oimon> mathematica/maple/matlab all support cuda
[15:32] <hamitron> that is their cover story for bitcoining :/
[15:34] <popey> oimon: i hear ati > nvidia for bitcoin
[15:34] <oimon> lol
[15:34] <popey> "Please note that the price of Lm Technologies 802.11N 150Mbps Fast Wireless NANO USB Adapter, Compatible with Windows XP / Vista / Mac 10.4 and 10.5 / Linux Ubuntu 8.04 (3cm Long) has decreased from £7.99 to £7.25 since you placed it in your Shopping Basket. "
[15:34] <popey> \o/
[15:35] <hamitron> do packages of gui apps require xorg to be installed, to be installed themselves?
[15:35] <gord> awesooooome - free mars bar
[15:35] <gord> its been a long time since i'v bought a mars bar, would not be surprised if you aren't saving enough to get one :(
[15:35] <bigcalm> I had to powercycle the superhub again this morning. Maybe Netgear just don't like me
[15:35] <popey> hamitron: they tend to depend on something that depends on something that depends on x server, yes
[15:35] <popey> bigcalm: i still haven't yet
[15:35] <hamitron> damn it
[15:35] <hamitron> :/
[15:36]  * bigcalm tickles popey
[15:36] <hamitron> would it be hard to make a dummy xorg package to trick them?
[15:36] <gord> hamitron, what are you really trying to accomplish :)
[15:37] <gord> without xorg those applications aren't going to run anyway
[15:37] <hamitron> I want X to run
[15:37] <hamitron> with nvidia drivers
[15:37] <oimon> hamitron: what card/monitor?
[15:37] <hamitron> an old version of X.org ideally
[15:37] <hamitron> well, my latest problem is a Geforce 420 go 32mb
[15:37] <hamitron> but I have older cards that need older X.org also
[15:38] <hamitron> so thinking I should maybe just do something drastic and fix all my problems
[15:38] <hamitron> :)
[15:38] <DJones> hamitron: I've got a geforce 2 at home that runs using the nv driver
[15:38] <hamitron> I can run teh nv driver, yes
[15:38] <hamitron> but I want nvidia
[15:39] <DJones> hamitron: Since about 10.04 I've not been able to get the nvidia driver working
[15:39] <hamitron> last version to work was 8.04 for geforce 2 and below
[15:39] <hamitron> :/
[15:39] <hamitron> because of the X.org version
[15:40] <DJones> Have you tried the nouveau driver
[15:40] <hamitron> it works too
[15:40] <hamitron> but I want nvidia
[15:40] <hamitron> ;/
[15:40] <oimon> which nvidia driver are you using?
[15:40] <oimon> the legacy one ?
[15:40] <hamitron> 96 on this laptop
[15:40] <hamitron> but it would be handy having 71 as well
[15:41] <hamitron> so having a version of X.org 7.3 or lower would fix a lot
[15:41] <oimon> are you on natty?
[15:41] <hamitron> Lucid
[15:42] <oimon> and the additional hardware drivers thing doesn't give you the correct result?
[15:42] <hamitron> I am headbutting a wall, and I haven't even tried unity yet ;)
[15:42] <czajkowski> anyone on giffgaff do I have to top up before I can fill in some form to keep my number???
[15:42] <hamitron> I don't have a gui now
[15:43] <popey> Laney: http://paste.ubuntu.com/612770/
[15:43] <popey> ever seen that?
[15:43] <popey> says my gpg sig is bad
[15:43] <Laney> launchpad bug
[15:43] <popey> joy
[15:43] <Laney> it should still have accepted it
[15:43] <popey> oh
[15:43] <hamitron> oimon: I got this laptop working last time, by using a custom xorg.conf
[15:43] <popey> [PPA popey] [ubuntu/lucid] tomboy 1.6.0-0ubuntu1~ppa~lucid0 (Accepted)
[15:44] <popey> hehe, just got the mail
[15:44] <popey> thanks Laney
[15:44] <hamitron> but if I had an old version of X.org, I could generate it also
[15:44] <gord> so my router has forgotton the password for some reason, no idea why. its now that i find out to access the built in help, you have to log in...
[15:47] <davmor2> gord: press an hold the reset button then it's normally admin admin or with capitals :D
[15:48] <gord> davmor2, don't want to go as far as a factory reset yet, at least, not until i have found my isp details
[15:49]  * Laney uploads 1.6.1 to Debian
[15:49] <DJones> gord which isp is it?
[15:49] <Laney> can you feel the [Tomboy] love tonight?
[15:50] <gord> DJones, be
[15:50] <BigRedS> oooh
[15:51] <DJones> gord: Right, I was going to say if it was sky broadband, most of those seem to use sky & admin as username/pw
[15:51] <BigRedS> alt+f2 apears to always open underneath maximised windows now, presumably 'cause they have focus...
[15:51] <gord> DJones, right, this isn't an isp supplied router anyway
[15:56] <oimon> hamitron: what kjind of screen is it?
[15:56] <oimon> vga connector or dvi
[15:57] <Psychobudgie> gord, have you ever changed the password on the router?
[15:57] <oimon> hamitron: check out bug 348905
[15:58]  * popey wishes his dell laptop still lived
[15:58] <popey> might dig it out once more tonight and kick it
[15:58] <oimon> which model?
[15:58] <popey> the funky one
[15:58] <popey> gen 2
[15:58] <oimon> http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/25/xperia-play-first-in-line-for-mobile-minecraft-port/
[15:59] <popey> xps
[15:59] <Psychobudgie> Psychobudgie, has gone and installed fedora 15
[16:00] <BigRedS> that's a silly idea
[16:00] <Psychobudgie> seems less hastle than waiting for ubuntu to fix itself
[16:01] <BigRedS> Debian?
[16:01] <BigRedS> at least that gives you a bunch of sensble tools and a sane package manager
[16:02] <popey> how can I tell what socket my cpu is?
[16:02] <popey> ← hardware newb
[16:02] <shauno> I was tempted to see if fedora installed on mine.  then I remembered that if it does work, I'm not left with something I'd particularly want to use :/
[16:02] <popey> c2d 6700
[16:02] <BigRedS> intel ark?
[16:02] <popey> LGA775  ?
[16:02] <popey> so my mobo should support a Q8300?
[16:03] <shauno> I'd try to find out what model your mobo is, and look for it's manual.  not all procs are supported simply because you have the same physical socket, unfortunately
[16:04] <BigRedS> I'm sure hardware is designed to keep hardware guys in a job
[16:04] <hamitron> oimon: lcd on the laptop
[16:04] <popey> asus P5N32-E
[16:05] <popey> says it supports 1333MHz
[16:05] <popey> http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_775/P5N32E_SLI/
[16:06] <popey> http://support.asus.com/Cpusupport/List.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=P5N32-E%20SLI&p=1&s=22
[16:06] <popey> hmm, core 2 quad Q6700 is the highest
[16:07] <popey> or a c2extreme?
[16:07] <shauno> I never figured out what the difference between c2q and c2e was (besides 5-700 euros)
[16:07] <screen-x> have to compare on ark.intel.com
[16:07] <Psychobudgie> Using Fedora atm and to be honest it's way nippier than natty, well after I'd spent an hour installing and configuring everything I need. Has the latest Evolution to boot.
[16:08] <oimon> fed15?
[16:08] <Psychobudgie> yeah
[16:08] <shauno> (the price bit being less relevant now that they've got a year or two under their belt :)
[16:08] <Myrtti> I refuse to see how having Evolution in any distro is somehow a benefit or a perk
[16:08] <BigRedS> it makes other things look better
[16:09] <Myrtti> good call
[16:09] <Psychobudgie> nout wrong with evo
[16:09] <BigRedS> but, yeah, apparently it works alright
[16:09] <Psychobudgie> works fine and has done for a few years now
[16:09] <davmor2> Myrtti: work fine for me :D
[16:09] <BigRedS> there's a guy here using it. the only problem he has is he can't read mail in subscribed folders...
[16:09] <Myrtti> yeah, I just rather poke myself in the eye than use Evolution, evoexchange bridge and other painful user interactions
[16:10] <screen-x> they are almost identical, except the q6700 has a lower tdp, and is newer
[16:10] <davmor2> BigRedS: That's a feature means you can't open a virus ;)
[16:10] <BigRedS> making anything work with exchange is a pain
[16:11] <screen-x> Psychobudgie: did you upgrade evolution between hardy and lucid? Evolution changed database format (to sqlite I think) and the upgrade script worked about 30% of the time.
[16:14] <hamitron> !edid
[16:15] <Psychobudgie> screen-x, I did
[16:15] <Psychobudgie> Myrtti, out of interest what do you use for email on ubu?
[16:18] <shauno> I find this is the biggest benefit of imap; no harm in blowing away the local datastore if it starts misbehaving
[16:20] <brobostigon> Psychobudgie: so how is gnome3  in fedora?
[16:21] <Laney> I used to have a script ~/bin/fix-thunderbird.sh that ran daily (this was the interval in which Thunderbird corrupted its local database)
[16:24] <oimon> tb3 is great for me
[16:25] <oimon> after disabling the offline folders things
[16:27] <BigRedS> I still don't like the broken-by-default search thing
[16:27] <Laney> the ISP database is rather sexy
[16:28] <oimon> BigRedS: filter these messages works great on a per-folder basis
[16:28] <oimon> agree that the other search takes longer
[16:30] <oimon> hey i jsut discovered something amazing :D
[16:31] <oimon> if you upload a list of books that you own to google books, you can then perform a search on the words inside just those books in your library
[16:31] <popey> is it "poke popey with a stick and he updates packages"?
[16:32] <Psychobudgie> brobostigon, well it works which is one huge advantage over ubuntu at the moment
[16:32]  * popey notes Unity works on the 3 machines he uses it on
[16:32]  * popey shrugs
[16:32] <brobostigon> Psychobudgie: its works, i mean, gnome3 does, in natty.
[16:32] <oimon> e.g. search linux and it gives the excerpts on page 401 of programming perl
[16:32] <Psychobudgie> brobostigon, it doesn't as of the latest updates
[16:33] <brobostigon> Psychobudgie: what was the issue?
[16:33] <oimon> unity 3d is rather ...fussy about gfx cards
[16:33] <Psychobudgie> brobostigon, can't recall, it's on the forums
[16:33] <brobostigon> Psychobudgie: becaue, i havent noticed anything recently.
[16:34] <BigRedS> oimon: yeah, it's just really bad at noticing which folder I'm in
[16:35] <BigRedS> I was really expecting a more capable search by now, too
[16:35] <BigRedS> I want to be able to put in "from:someone@somehwhere subject:work" or similar
[16:35] <BigRedS> rather than endless clicking and waiting
[16:36] <oimon> i rarely search folders that aren't inbox and sent
[16:36] <oimon> hmmm "publish via ubuntu one" crashes nautilus
[16:37] <BigRedS> Ah, I frequently search massive ones that are
[16:37] <Psychobudgie> brobostigon, one of the issues is to do with .ICEauthority and the other is to do with nvidia drivers
[16:37] <Psychobudgie> both break it to the point of unusability
[16:38] <brobostigon> Psychobudgie: ok, i havent tried it on nvidia, so wont experience it, i am not familier with .ICEauthority,
[16:38] <oimon> where does ubuntuone store its logs?
[16:39] <Psychobudgie> add to that the multitude of issues I've had with compiz, unity, invisible windows and overlays, banshee and just the general polish of natty, I thought I'd take the opportunity to have a look at another distro
[16:39] <jel> oimon: it's based on couchdb, so look for that stuff
[16:39] <Psychobudgie> at the moment, though it may change, I'm liking f15 over natty
[16:40] <BigRedS> I've never lasted more than a couple of hours on Fedora
[16:40] <BigRedS> there's always sooo many hoops to jump through to make things work
[16:40] <Psychobudgie> nah, theres a couple of nice apps which will install everything you need, takes about 15 minutes to do
[16:40] <BigRedS> ah, that's probably what I didn't do
[16:41] <Psychobudgie> pretty much like ubuntu did a couple of years back
[16:41] <BigRedS> I just remember continually adding repos, each of which only provided about five packages
[16:41] <jel> BigRedS, nope, I agree with you.  Redhat = nightmare of poorly maintained packages.
[16:41] <jel> (and minimalist)
[16:41]  * brobostigon will be sticking with debian or ubuntu.
[16:41] <BigRedS> I was debian before ubuntu. three repos is quite enough thankyouverymuch
[16:41] <Psychobudgie> redhat/fedora is a nightmare if you don't know what you are doing
[16:42] <Psychobudgie> I would like to think that I know what I'm doing
[16:42] <jel> something like 16 years with linux now, so I know what I'm doing.  That's how I know it sucks.
[16:43] <Psychobudgie> seriously, having used unity for a week or so, I reevaluated the defination of sucks
[16:43] <jel> unity also sucks :)
[16:43] <BigRedS> I tried to like gnome3
[16:43] <BigRedS> I really did
[16:43] <Psychobudgie> it sucks more
[16:43] <BigRedS> but it made me want to hurt things
[16:43] <BigRedS> unity, on the other hand, seems absolutely fine for me :)
[16:44] <BigRedS> though I've got this weird thing of alt+f2 hiding behind maximised windows which I didn't have yesterday
[16:44] <Psychobudgie> I like gnome 3, it doesn't work as well as it can in ubuntu, F15 is built around it so I've gone with that for the moment until ubuntu sorts itself out
[16:44] <Psychobudgie> that's the great thing with linux though, choice
[16:45] <BigRedS> nah, most of my issues with Gnome 3 were design choices rather than bugs
[16:45] <BigRedS> in fact, most of my issues were the workspaces
[16:45] <Psychobudgie> I choose gnome-desktop and gnome3  over unity and gnome 2
[16:45] <BigRedS> I think we did this yesterday :)
[16:45] <Psychobudgie> until it works properly in ubuntu I'll probably use something else
[16:45] <Psychobudgie> we did :p
[16:45] <oimon> unity2d is a massive fail if you want to switch windows without using alt-tab
[16:45] <Psychobudgie> heh
[16:46] <BigRedS> gnome3 has been a continual rant of mine for the past couple of weeks
[16:46] <Psychobudgie> I love it
[16:46] <oimon> even bigger fail if you wanna switch windows and the icon on the launcher is not on the top icons that appears onscreen
[16:46] <BigRedS> yeah, you freak :)
[16:47] <oimon> mind you, default gnome2 sucks a bit
[16:47] <oimon> especially on rhel it looks like win2k
[16:47] <mrwarmth> After a few weeks of using gnome3 I started moving my mouse to the top left of the screen when I wanted to run something, no matter which OS I was using at the time...
[16:47] <Psychobudgie> I find the app switching far better in g3 than unity
[16:47] <Psychobudgie> app switching in unity is one of my pet hates
[16:47] <BigRedS> it's teh same a gnome2 isn't it?
[16:48] <Psychobudgie> no
[16:48] <BigRedS> I disliked gnome3's thing of alt-f2 only having one icon for each app, and having to go 'down' to get others. though I'd probably get used to that...
[16:48] <BigRedS> unity on 11.04 seems to behave the same as gnome2 on squeeze? as far as alt+f2 and ctrl-alt-arrow goes
[16:49] <BigRedS> oh yeah, there's no taskbar thing, and it's that popout thingy at the side
[16:49] <Psychobudgie> BigRedS, or you can just sweep the mouse to the top left and it will show all running windows
[16:49] <mrwarmth> Does gnome3 do that thing with the menubar where it puts it at the top of the screen like Unity does? I think they were talking about doing that at some point
[16:49] <Psychobudgie> mrwarmth, no they decided that it was stupid and nobody in their right mind would like it
[16:49] <brobostigon> Psychobudgie: orhit superkey,
[16:49] <BigRedS> Psychobudgie: ah yeah. That's not a 'just' for me, my mouse is at least 6" away from the keyboard
[16:49] <BigRedS> :)
[16:50] <mrwarmth> Psychobudgie, :)
[16:50] <Psychobudgie> BigRedS, yup, choice is a good thing
[16:50] <BigRedS> Psychobudgie: that's one of the great things about this unity/gnome3 divide - people making choices
[16:50] <BigRedS> and, of course, it's a brand new Religious Argument
[16:50] <BigRedS> :)
[16:51] <Psychobudgie> but that is what I hate about unity, you have no choice
[16:51] <BigRedS> yeah you do
[16:51] <BigRedS> you can not have unity
[16:51] <Psychobudgie> shuttleworth has decreed that thou shalt not configure it
[16:51] <mrwarmth> wonder if there's a correlation between vi/emacs users and unity/gnome3 users?
[16:51] <BigRedS> ah yeah, it's old-gnomish in that regard
[16:51] <BigRedS> but gnome3's short on configuration, too
[16:51] <BigRedS> even with that tool you download for it
[16:52] <Psychobudgie> BigRedS, as MS has decreed that unity is pretty much ubuntu's future, without it you may aswell use something else
[16:52] <AlanBell> if you do alt+f2 and type "free the fish" you get a little fish wandering about
[16:52] <BigRedS> mrwarmth: vi and unity users are correct, the others are not :)
[16:52] <AlanBell> how do you turn the damn thing off?
[16:52] <BigRedS> Psychobudgie: like XFCE or KDE or LXDE?
[16:52] <BigRedS> the only non-choice is Gnome3 for which there's a repo that breaks unity
[16:53] <BigRedS> AlanBell: restart gnome-panel
[16:53] <brobostigon> BigRedS: it doesnt break unity, i cn sitch between unity and gnome-shell without issue.
[16:53] <BigRedS> ooh!
[16:53] <BigRedS> I was under the impression it did, but I'd already broken unity before installing gnome3
[16:53] <Psychobudgie> As gnome 2 is no longer being developed by the gnome team unity will have to move to gnome 3 at some point or stick with a dead package
[16:54] <BigRedS> or the unity project will have to absorb the gnome libs they need
[16:54] <Psychobudgie> brobostigon, it broke it here
[16:54] <Psychobudgie> brobostigon, unity would only run in 2d with gnome 3 installed
[16:54] <brobostigon> Psychobudgie: it didnt here, on two tries.
[16:54] <brobostigon> Psychobudgie: unity 3d still runs fine here.
[16:55] <Psychobudgie> mind you, as I dislike unity so much it wasn't something I couldn't live with
[16:56] <brobostigon> Psychobudgie: every so often, before release, and after, i wouldswitch back and forth, and see how both were going.
[16:57] <Psychobudgie> brobostigon, same here, normally have one machine using the alpha/beta and another on version
[16:57] <brobostigon> Psychobudgie: i play dangerous, i install dev versions to sdhc, and then dist-upgrade when i amhappy.
[16:58] <Psychobudgie> brobostigon, for the first time ever I failed to like natty at any point in development
[16:58] <brobostigon> Psychobudgie: samehere to a point, hence i played with the gnome3-teams ppa very early.
[16:58] <Psychobudgie> I tried really hard to like unity, I did, I gave it a fair crack at the whip
[16:59] <Psychobudgie> I found myself disabling global menus, overlay scrollbars, changing anything and everything I could
[16:59] <Psychobudgie> there came a point when there wasn't any point to using it
[16:59] <brobostigon> ok.
[17:00] <oimon> Psychobudgie: do you usually use a dock
[17:00] <axtra> Can anyybody help me with a wireless question?
[17:00] <Psychobudgie> but hey ho, hopefully come the next lts release things will be a bit better, if not I'll go find another distro
[17:00] <Psychobudgie> oiman, I used docky and yes I know he's involved with unity
[17:00] <jel> I like the global menu idea; appeals to my amiga history (and my desire for screen realestate).  Unity, the scrollbars, and the window buttons annoy the tits off me though.  Already installed mint on my laptop instead.
[17:01] <BigRedS> axtra: that sounds alarmingly productive :)
[17:01] <BigRedS> but go for it, just ask the question and anyone who can help will :)
[17:01] <jel> Might do the same with my desktop when I don't need it for work for a wee while.
[17:02] <oimon> Psychobudgie: on the machines i have installed natty on, i'm using classic in the hope that unity will improve by 11.10
[17:02] <Psychobudgie> jel, the global menu on workbench though was developed for a time when your average resolution was 640x480 and moving to the menus didn't require a taxi to get there
[17:02] <Psychobudgie> oimon, from the noises mark s has been making I'm not getting my hopes up
[17:02] <AlanBell> thanks BigRedS
[17:03] <jel> Psychobudgie, lol @ the taxi line :)  I actually think they were far superior, hidden until requested.
[17:03] <axtra> I was unable to connect to my friend's wireless in Kubuntu - most recent version - using Network manager. I was able to connect to the WiFi in a BT5 livecd, but when I installed Wicd on Kubuntu, I couldn't  connect. I can also connect to my home wifi with this install, so I'm not sure what the problem is
[17:03] <jel> Although on ami, they blocked the whole UI if I recall correctly :D
[17:04] <jel> p.s.: my res was 1280x256 :)
[17:04] <jel> Or something like that.
[17:05] <Psychobudgie> jel, I'm pretty sure magicwb or mui allowed you to use app based menus rather than the global ones
[17:05] <Psychobudgie> jel, this was seen as a step forward at the time
[17:05] <jel> Ahh, yes, MagicWB.  I knew I was half-remembering another kind of menu :)
[17:06] <Psychobudgie> jel, and here we are taking, imo, a step back
[17:06] <Psychobudgie> jel, global menus are great if you are on a netbook and using everything in fullscreen.
[17:06] <BigRedS> axtra: do you get any error messages?
[17:06] <Psychobudgie> jel, global menus are not great if you are on anything else
[17:07] <axtra> BigRedS it alternates between bad password and unable to get ip address
[17:07] <jel> Psychobudgie, aye, you might have me convinced :)
[17:08] <jel> As long as we can agree that radial menus are the devil ;)
[17:08] <Psychobudgie> oh yes
[17:08] <jel> Hmm.  Some evil part of my mind just invented radial ribbons.
[17:09] <Azelphur> popey: I got a trading standards enforcement team headed to aircondirect :D
[17:09] <shauno> because they shipped 1 day too slow?
[17:09] <BigRedS> axtra: hmm, that's odd
[17:09] <BigRedS> I'm afraid I'm out of ideas now :(
[17:09] <Psychobudgie> jel, radial ribbon marquees
[17:10] <Azelphur> shauno: I paid extra for next day, they didn't deliver for 4 days later.
[17:10] <Psychobudgie> mmmm
[17:10] <jel> Psychobudgie, with blinking notifications?
[17:10] <Azelphur> shauno: and ignored multiple requests to not deliver the item as it was no longer required, and refused to acknowledge UK distance selling laws, and have streams of problems people (including uuk people) over their sister company laptops direct
[17:10] <Psychobudgie> jel, awesome, if it can in some way interface with an activex control we might be on to a winner
[17:10] <Azelphur> so I figured I'd take them to the cleaners over it :)
[17:11] <jel> I was thinking XMLRPC.
[17:12] <jel> There may be an XMLRPC activex component, which we can connect to the... let's call it the Mayfair Pole Widget, with the help of yahoo pipes.
[17:13] <screen-x> jel: wut?
[17:13] <Psychobudgie> jel, should have all its settings saved in the cloud
[17:13] <jel> Psychobudgie, yes.  Semantic Web 3.5.
[17:14] <jel> It'll need an active directory plugin, to apply the right variation of cloud settings to different pee-cees.
[17:14] <Psychobudgie> heh
[17:15] <Psychobudgie> right, I really must go get some work donw
[17:15] <Psychobudgie> bbiab
[17:15] <jel> Don't work too hard after all that brainstorming :)
[17:17] <axtra> Back
[17:40] <PalaPad> Evening all
[17:42] <dogmatic69> o/
[17:56] <popey> Azelphur: http://strugglers.net/~andy/blog/2008/08/27/dont-shop-with-laptops-direct-unless-you-enjoy-marketing-email-and-a-hard-sell/
[17:56] <popey> Azelphur: people from the company are subscribed to that, so do leave a comment and they'll see it :D
[17:57] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:25] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] Trials and tribulations with EFI - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/137093.html
[18:49] <ali1234> does anyone know how to set firefox to spell checker american?
[18:49] <ali1234> preferably without messing up the whole computer
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: install the package that contains it, then right-click in the field and select it?
[18:51] <ali1234> oh excellent, thanks
[18:51] <ali1234> by default it is on english/australia
[19:43] <HazRPG> \o
[19:44] <HazRPG> back from my holidays
[19:44] <brobostigon> good evening HazRPG :)
[19:44] <HazRPG> brobostigon: good evening :)
[19:44] <brobostigon> yay. :)
[19:44] <brobostigon> HazRPG: had fun?
[19:44] <HazRPG> brobostigon: definitely :)
[19:44] <brobostigon> HazRPG: where did you go, i know you told, but i cant remember.
[19:47] <HazRPG> brobostigon: Egypt, to see the family
[19:47] <brobostigon> HazRPG: ah, :)
[19:47] <AlanBell> o/
[19:47] <HazRPG> AlanBell: \o
[19:58] <emmy_t>  /list
[19:59] <brobostigon> emmy_t: no space infront of.
[20:01] <dutchie> also /list on freenode is Not Recommended
[20:01] <brobostigon> dutchie: irssi warns you, if you are sure, or not.when you issue that command.
[20:01] <dutchie> yes
[20:02] <dutchie> other clients may not
[20:02] <brobostigon> true, yes.
[20:02] <DJones> Also depends whether they wanted !list or /list
[20:02] <emmy_t> just getting familiarised with things...brand-new to IRC, although been running AIX servers for 20 year
[20:03] <emmy_t> ...complete newb ;-)
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> nah
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> if you know AIX, Linux will be easy
[20:03] <brobostigon> welcome  emmy_t :)
[20:03] <emmy_t> thx
[20:03]  * brobostigon is not familier with aix, other than whathe has read in history.
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> shouldn't that me smitty_t though, as an AIX user :P
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it's pronounced "aches"\
[20:04] <emmy_t> AIX - Aint unIX
[20:04] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah,
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it's "real" UNIX from IBM, basically
[20:05] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: so it is svr* conformant?
[20:05] <emmy_t> Advanced Interactive eXecutive (or just a good way to charge load of money)
[20:05] <emmy_t> yes - well, kind of
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_AIX
[20:06] <emmy_t> it's pretty much a hybrid - and gives me a decent salary....
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it's from the SysV branch of the UNIX family, but it has more BSD features than other SysV unixes
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unix_history-simple.en.svg
[20:07] <emmy_t> enjoy the reading - but if someone says it has a "registry", I'm gonna give up in this Linux stuff !!!! :-)
[20:07] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, interesting. yes i have looked atthat graph, many times, :)
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> emmy_t: There's not a registry as such :) Do you have any specific Ubuntu questions? :)
[20:09] <emmy_t> not at the moment - as I said - I'm RTFM, about IRC, and this was the first link I pasted into a *very* new installation of xchat - so wanted to see what it was all about....
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> Well.. welcome :)
[20:10] <brobostigon> the closest i have used to that, is either solaris, darwin, or freebsd. i suspect.
[20:10] <emmy_t> looks good, and reminds me back when I used to use "archie" and "gopher" etc (yes, I'm showing my age!!)
[20:10] <brobostigon> :)
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> emmy_t: Are you using a commandline/server install, instead of the desktop?
[20:11] <emmy_t> I'm just using my wife's laptop (I forced her to use ubuntu as I knew she couldn't break it)
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> haha
[20:12] <brobostigon> lol
[20:12]  * hamitron has broken it
[20:12] <hamitron> ;)
[20:12] <emmy_t> trust me - she has 3 icons:
[20:12] <emmy_t> 1 The Internet
[20:12] <brobostigon> thats another reason, i give my mum, mumbuntu, :)
[20:12] <emmy_t> 2 The Word Processor
[20:12] <emmy_t> 3 The EMAIL
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: granbuntu in my case, but same idea ;)
[20:13] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes,quite, :)
[20:13] <emmy_t> lol
[20:13] <DJones> emmy_t: That surprises me, I would have thought #1 would be Facebook rather than internet :)
[20:13] <emmy_t> no - no facebook allowed in our house ! ! ! I can't stand the idea of her coming home from work to tend her virtual farm
[20:14] <brobostigon> my mum has broken ubuntu aswell though.
[20:14] <emmy_t> no way - how?
[20:14] <brobostigon> emmy_t: update manger messing up.
[20:14] <emmy_t> dropped the laptop on the floor ?
[20:15] <brobostigon> not her faulti suppose, but she didnt know anydifferent, when apttried toremove some crucial packages.
[20:16] <brobostigon> and broke grub2 amongst other things.
[20:16] <emmy_t> ah - I had that problem with this machine on an older distro (v.8 I think) but with only 3 things to re-install - no big deal ;-)
[20:17] <brobostigon> she clicked update, without realising the consequences.
[20:17] <brobostigon> mind you, she has broke android on her phone, enough times.
[20:18] <brobostigon> who knows how.
[20:18] <emmy_t> you need a "do you know the consequences" prompt after the first click (but that's too much a M$ product....
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> emmy_t: it shows you one if you try to remove an essential package
[20:18] <brobostigon> yes. quite.
[20:19] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i asked her after, and it didnt do so.
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> strange
[20:19] <brobostigon> quite, yes.
[20:19] <brobostigon> took me about 30 mins to fix, with a live cd, so, it wasnt too huge.
[20:22] <brobostigon> the closest mydad has been to unixas far as i know, is either playing games on my mums machine,or looks at websites served by linux servers, inclusive of google.
[20:22] <brobostigon> or unix-like.*
[20:24] <brobostigon> eeek, sorry dad.
[20:24] <brobostigon> hehe, he isntlistening, :)
[20:25] <emmy_t> what - you mean google is running on a unix-like o/s ? ! - The company I work for are adamant that it runs on windoze, 'cos their users can use it through internet explorer
[20:25] <emmy_t> seriously.....
[20:26] <brobostigon> emmy_t: i reckon google uses either bsd or linux.
[20:26] <brobostigon> i suppose you could use nmap to be sure.
[20:28] <shauno> usually that'll just tell you what their loadbalancers use
[20:28] <damian> google is really a cluster of hp/compaq ipaq's :)
[20:28] <brobostigon> fair point.
[20:29] <brobostigon> lol
[20:30] <shauno> had a friend who had a cluster of ooold compaqs.  tried so hard to convince him that if he just bought a modern computer, he'd have more power, and the leccy bill would pay for itself inside a year :/
[20:31] <daubers> Evening
[20:35] <brobostigon> noswaith dda daubers
[20:44] <emmy_t> anyway - gotta go now
[20:51] <shauno> completely off-topic, but nerd-friendly - http://www.thinkwithportals.com/music.php  :)
[21:06] <dwatkins> I like Portal 2 a lot, shauno.
[21:07] <shauno> not sure I'd buy the soundtrack, but luckily, they're giving it away
[21:11] <dwatkins> Indeed, I like some of those tunes but not all.
[21:18] <BigRedS> In unity, when I drag my mouse to the left a thing with buttons on it pops out
[21:18] <BigRedS> what's that called?
[21:22] <BigRedS> Oh, it's a launcher apparently
[22:11] <aquarius> popey, ping: is postcast.ubuntu-uk.org down?
[22:23] <shauno> ppuk has no ipv6?  why fore?
[22:24] <shauno> (appears down here too.  pingable, but timeout on http)
[22:29] <HazRPG> same here
[22:38] <bigcalm> I want to use ticker-tape storage with syncany
[22:38] <mgdm> are you a Markov chain?
[22:39] <BigRedS> If I want to file a bug against the behaviour of the alt+f2 dialog, is that the 'unity' package?
[22:40] <BigRedS> (I do mean the one in unity)
[22:41] <BigRedS> ah, there's other alt+f2 bugs filed against unity. If I'm wrong, at least I'm in company :)
[22:42] <jacobw> yeah, i've found it to be buggy as well
[22:43] <BigRedS> haha
[22:43] <BigRedS> I'm finding it no more buggy than Gnome 2 so far
[22:43] <BigRedS> but Unity seems to have mistakes, whereas Gnome 2 seems to have dumb ideas
[22:46] <jacobw> unity has loads of great ideas
[22:46] <jacobw> cathedral vs bazaar
[22:47] <jacobw> imo, unity is more bazaar than cathedral
[22:48] <shauno> really?
[22:48] <BigRedS> well, it was cathedral and became more bazaar with the natty alpha didn't it?
[22:48] <BigRedS> canonical's very cathedral
[22:48] <BigRedS> cathedric?
[22:49] <bigcalm> "We appreciate that you have been with Yahoo! Mail for the past 13 years."
[22:49] <bigcalm> Oh my
[22:49] <BigRedS> well done
[22:49] <BigRedS> That's something of an achievement :)
[22:49] <bigcalm> It's scary
[22:49] <jibadeeha> bigcalm, you should be given a victoria cross for bravery
[22:49] <bigcalm> Or lazyness
[22:50] <bigcalm> I opened my yahoo account when I needed a address for spamming. Then it was kept because Flickr requires it
[22:50] <BigRedS> "it works, I didn't change it"
[22:51] <bigcalm> Don't think I've ever used it for real email
[22:58]  * hamitron has got teh same mail and HAS used it as his primary address all these years
[22:58] <hamitron> :)
[22:58] <hamitron> finding the imap access on yahoo buggy though :/
[22:59] <BigRedS> nobody implements imap properly
[22:59] <bigcalm> I made it into the podcast \o/
[22:59] <BigRedS> that's another of my rants :)
[23:00] <hamitron> hehe
[23:00] <hamitron> well, I'm giving ubuntu 1 last try
[23:00] <hamitron> if it doesn't work this time, I'm moving
[23:00] <hamitron> that is my main rant
[23:00] <hamitron> ;)
[23:00] <BigRedS> what's wrong with it? You've still got Gnome 2 haven't yo?
[23:01] <hamitron> I can't get X working
[23:01] <hamitron> so no
[23:01] <BigRedS> ohh yeah
[23:01] <jacobw> man, it sucks that every beatles/stones/who/zep video on YT has of comments saying 'we hate justin beiber'
[23:01] <BigRedS> I just assumed this was yet another unity rant :)
[23:01] <jacobw> who cares :| just chill out
[23:01] <hamitron> hell, i have nothing against unity
[23:01] <hamitron> apart from teh rants about it
[23:01] <hamitron> ;)
[23:01] <BigRedS> haha
[23:02] <hamitron> but I've installed ubuntu, formated, installed slackware, formated, installed ubuntu
[23:02] <jacobw> i've tried gnome shell, it just gives me a headache
[23:02] <hamitron> so last chance
[23:02] <hamitron> :D
[23:02] <BigRedS> hamitron: is this you having funny/old hardware?
[23:03] <hamitron> it isn't funny
[23:03] <hamitron> :/
[23:03] <BigRedS> haha
[23:03] <jacobw> lol, distro cycling
[23:03] <jacobw> maybe it'll work *this* time
[23:03] <hamitron> a Geforce 420 go is not old
[23:03] <hamitron> well, not old and useless anyway
[23:04] <BigRedS> didn't a not-that-recent kernel dump a whole load of graphics card support?
[23:04] <hamitron> but I have made a dump of the EDID for this attempt
[23:04] <hamitron> you are kidding?
[23:04] <hamitron> :-o
[23:04] <BigRedS> nah, few years ago. I remember it being a list going back to the mid-nineties...
[23:05] <BigRedS> I've no idea how old a geforce 420 is though
[23:05] <BigRedS> I don't do graphics
[23:05] <hamitron> geforce 4 will be 2004
[23:05] <hamitron> at a guess
[23:05] <BigRedS> oh, I suspect that would've been too recent for that cull
[23:06] <hamitron> the graphics is supported by the nvidia 96 driver
[23:06] <BigRedS> though I'm finding people saying the module wont complile past 2.6.23
[23:06] <hamitron> but there is a problem with screen detection
[23:06] <hamitron> ?
[23:07] <hamitron> nvidia-96?
[23:07] <BigRedS> '9631'
[23:07] <BigRedS> so perhaps
[23:07] <BigRedS> http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=63669
[23:07] <BigRedS> for example
[23:07] <BigRedS> (I'm sure you've come across that already, though)
[23:08]  * hamitron facedesk
[23:08] <hamitron> No!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:09] <hamitron> surely
[23:09] <hamitron> there is a ubuntu package
[23:09] <hamitron> :/
[23:13] <hamitron> well, no going back now
[23:13] <hamitron> ;/
[23:13] <hamitron> going to at least try
[23:13] <BigRedS> mmm
[23:13] <BigRedS> I can't find anything specifically saying support's dropped in .24 though
[23:15] <hamitron> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/nvidia-96
[23:15] <BigRedS> oh cool
[23:18] <hamitron> there is something about a bug with the new kernel
[23:18] <hamitron> hmmm
[23:18] <hamitron> I'll use an old kernel if I have to
[23:19] <hamitron> but nvidia do update stuff for kernels reasonably well
[23:19] <hamitron> they just weren't willing to rewrite a massive part of the 71 drivers when xorg changed loads
[23:19] <hamitron> they did backport the changes to 96 driver though
[23:19] <hamitron> :)
[23:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E07  Powerslave - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/05/25/s04e07-powerslave/
[23:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [iain woz ere] Greetings, Planet Debian! - http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/blog/posts/2011/05/hello-planet-debian/